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[Macrochip]

Let's Talk Bitcoin! #191

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-191-bitcoin-is-fur-the-people

Darkcoin mentioned: 33 min onwards

 

Nice to hear DRK finally get mentioned by name on the main LTB podcast.  It seems like "original" Bitcoiners (i.e. the libertarian types) are starting to show some interest in DRK.  A very very good sign.  
 
Also, maybe this is a good time to see if they are interested in an full interview with Evan?

Yup.
I listen to this podcast.

Its basically a bag of balls these days:

LTB podcast stats (improvised by CH)

mentions of BTC: 100k+
mentions of LTBCoin: 4k+
mentions of DRK: 1

srs tho. this aint the podcast 4 u…

If u dont knoe what LTBCoin is then u dont listen 2 this show…
(regrettably I do)

Yup.
I read what this guy types.

Its basically a bag of bs these days:

child_harold's "I'm leaving this thread forever"-stats (improvised by MC)

declares "Last post in here": 100k+
mentions "Oh and one more thing": 4k+
times he actually leaves for good: 0

srs tho. this aint the thread 4 u…

If u dont know who child_harold is then good for you
(regrettably I do)

[Kai Proctor]

^ Always in Darkcoin thread, that guy loves our coin.

[will7am]

guys, we should write to Bitfinex and Cryptsy, and ask them to think about to put InstantX on their Deposits, it would be awsome to deposit in short time and do what ever you want with it

Yea, I would also like to know when/if this could be done.

[someredguy]

^ Always in Darkcoin thread, that guy loves our coin.

^^That guy also has nothing but good things today about Darkcoin.

[toknormal]

child_harold's "I'm leaving this thread forever"-stats (improvised by MC)

declares "Last post in here": 100k+
mentions "Oh and one more thing": 4k+
times he actually leaves for good: 0

r.o.t.f.w.l.

[toknormal]

Cryptsy wall munched !

[child_harold]

Let's Talk Bitcoin! #191

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-191-bitcoin-is-fur-the-people

Darkcoin mentioned: 33 min onwards

 

Nice to hear DRK finally get mentioned by name on the main LTB podcast.  It seems like "original" Bitcoiners (i.e. the libertarian types) are starting to show some interest in DRK.  A very very good sign.  
 
Also, maybe this is a good time to see if they are interested in an full interview with Evan?

Yup.
I listen to this podcast.

Its basically a bag of balls these days:

LTB podcast stats (improvised by CH)

mentions of BTC: 100k+
mentions of LTBCoin: 4k+
mentions of DRK: 1

srs tho. this aint the podcast 4 u…

If u dont knoe what LTBCoin is then u dont listen 2 this show…
(regrettably I do)

Yup.
I read what this guy types.

Its basically a bag of bs these days:

child_harold's "I'm leaving this thread forever"-stats (improvised by MC)

declares "Last post in here": 100k+
mentions "Oh and one more thing": 4k+
times he actually leaves for good: 0

srs tho. this aint the thread 4 u…

If u dont know who child_harold is then good for you
(regrettably I do)

Yup.

I would've left except some peeps here still use my words as sigs

Since I told bitrcanada id be out i will observe.

this woulda been a good answwr for my q abotu NSA style surveillance of MN's btw
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10609005#msg10609005

You're asking to rely on a third party to protect your privacy on an open medium. This is a failed request.

In fact, it's been shown numerous times that the only way to really protect your own privacy is to for you to use the tools themselves.

Most are either cheap or free, and are open source, and also require you to change your internet usage habits.

Look into accessing the internet using either TOR or I2P, in conjunction with VPN's/proxies, and just don't use the same name for much longer than a few weeks. There's a bit more that can be done, like using an open source operating system, and even then maintaining very selective hardware selections for which you access the internet.

There's just not gonna exist one forum that can do it all for you, especially when considering the hardware angle .. not many forums are going to be able to spoof the mac address of your networking for you, or even force you to use non-compromised hard drives or processors with back doors that allow communication through air gaps to wireless printers and such.

If you need to maintain a private traceable identity, consider using pgp so that the people you do interact with may confirm your identity within reasonable doubt.

This is a good counter-measure!
If u dont take his advice the situation could end up like this…



And now I really am gone (for the time being)
p.s. dont use my words ffs!

p.p.s no need to post in SDC thread guys… Im not a spokeshole for Shadow

EVRYTHING I said about LTB podcast is true btw (all BTC and LTBcoin)

[Macrochip]

p.s. dont use my words ffs!

Stop giving us these perfect opportunities then. You're pissed we're using your own words against you? You've never been to court, huh?
Seriously, you will never achieve anything by posting here. The sooner you remove this ANN from your browser favorites the sooner the signatures will disappear.

[AzzAz]

Strange, whenewer this Child_H post here, drk goes up.

[BiteMyShinyMetalAss]

Cryptsy wall munched !

Otohs wall on cryptsy munched??

Got scared for a moment... Was it a sell wall?

[Honest Tim]

well, he's entitled to chip in with his 4.4 cents I suppose.

[bigrcanada]

As many of you know we where the first brick and mortar business to accept DRK.  I'm looking for a catchy phrase to post up on our winery website that is about to roll out about Dark...I'll donate some drk or some fine wine to the winner.

Our winery is Misconduct Wine Co. and it should be something smart IE:  "At Misconduct...we believe what you do is your business...thats why we believe in privacy and promote DarkCoin" as an example...  

We produce super premium wines, some in $100+ range so what we want for a phrase needs to appeal to that demographic.

thoughts?

Richard

[child_harold]

well, he's entitled to chip in with his 4.4 cents I suppose.

It is amusing to consider that under different circumstances we might've been friends… powerful allies even

Ur alright Tim. British? yes
Alan Partridge?

The 4.4 cents u refer to (the cost of one SDC) can be broken down to a million rynos/rynoshis

Hey… its an endangered species

[child_harold]

Throwing it to the floor.  

Your about a year too late.

+1

+2

LETS ASSUME A WORST CASE SCENARIO

50% of MN's are run by "bad actors" or have backdoors (thru VSP provider consent)

Question:Why did TOR get compromised??
Answer: NSA style traffic analysis

Just like TOR ur crypto (such as it is i.e. antiquated) is prob sound. But how do you combat NSA style traffic analysis for MN's?

Ignore me if you want…
but this is another important question complements of yous truly.

Answers on a postcard  

I'll bite. Assuming there were 50% rogue nodes, each round would be an independent event, in this case 50/50 that a compromised node is selected processing the transaction. To be able to prove with reasonable doubt, you would need to have your rogue nodes selected every round, or 50%^# of rounds for probability. At 4 rounds, you're looking at a 6.25% chance of having your rogue nodes selected every round, at 8 rounds, 0.39%, at 16 rounds, .0015%. That's just as the system stands right now--with masternode blinding which is currently in development, no single node would have all the inputs so your probabilities essentially go to 0.

Good try.

Yeah I think he did try very hard, but his attempt discredits him even more.

@oblox

I suppose I was really making three points:

1) CRYPTO:What happens if 50% of MN's are run by "bad actors" or have backdoors (thru VSP provider consent)

Comment:
The answer of ~6% if 4 rounds chosen was the answer given. Interesting but not really to my point. BTW What is the avg no. of rounds usually selected? What is the default number?

2 ) FLOW: Since MN's have static IP's (at this time) and are obvious targets for traffic flow analysis how can u combat traffic flow analysis like "upstreaming" which were used to compromise TOR?"

As I said initially it is not so much the crypto that is the weakness (albeit slightly outdated imo), but rather the patterns derived from traffic analysis techniques like "upstreaming" which may reveal sensitive information.

Comment:
Certainly every crypto-currency network is also threatened by such analysis, but for DRK it is the limited number of MN's currently sitting on fixed IP's which make a juicy target. The crypto in TOR was by all accounts strong and it was these sorts of attacks which compromised TOR's security iirc. Interestingly there were similar numbers of TOR nodes that you have MN's. I'm thinking maybe 3-4k TOR nodes were being run worldwide.
Perhaps MN's will have to grow in number to help deal with this and maybe a 500DRK sum should be permitted to run an MN so as to create more. In fact why shouldn't every node be capable of serving as an MN? And if DRK adopts a ZK (Zero-Knowledge) solution like Shadow then why have MN's at all (InstantX I guess)

3) BLEND: A "blended attack" where a bad actor runs (or has access to) a number of MN's combined with traffic analysis is most likely the true threat model here. It is unclear to me at this point if "Masternode blinding' might help the bad actors as much as the good ones.

Comment:
?

Throwing it to the floor.

@bigrcanada
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.msg10612920#msg10612920

I'm not spokesman for Shadow (definitely not) and without any action by the Shadow Team I voluntarily back down outta some sense of good. TBH Im more of a mad renegade…

I gotta say that I dont really regard the above Q I posed as FUD.
It would be wise to have in place counter-measures against the sort of attacks that compromised TOR. As I also said it applies to all crypto-currencies, altho due to the MN infrastructure and the depth of ur Team it (maybe) behooves u to plan for such attacks.

At the very least I asked why cant you have MN's for 500DRK? Or 250? More MN's better, right?

Anyway bigrcanada, you were very polite. Thanks. I shall return the favor and politely go away - altho Id really be interested in some answers to my Q's and will keep reading…
thanks

pax romanus

It is not just about having loads of masternodes, the 1000 DARK is about making it a meaningful investment / commitment to the project. 250 Dark would be too low especially at current prices, maybe in the future that would change.[/b]

OK
Almost outta here…

Is this the answer ur sticking with?
Why should an MN cost 1000DRk when more MN's should be beneficial IMO?


Quote:
It is not just about having loads of masternodes, the 1000 DARK is about making it a meaningful investment / commitment to the project. 250 Dark would be too low especially at current prices, maybe in the future that would change.

Really? Does it boil down to this? I can think of other "organisations" that require a demonstration of commitment thusly…

[Lebubar]

I just speak with your parents, they are really worried about you.
Why you don't want to go to the psychiatrist? They will accompany you...

[Honest Tim]

well, he's entitled to chip in with his 4.4 cents I suppose.

It is amusing to consider that under different circumstances we might've been friends… powerful allies even

Ur alright Tim. British? yes
Alan Partridge?

The 4.4 cents u refer to (the cost of one SDC) can be broken down to a million rynos/rynoshis

Hey… its an endangered species

Under no circumstances would we ever, ever be friends.
Your "high energy" irritant manner screams of exactly the type of person I make great efforts to avoid completely.
You are a strange hybrid of aspergers and utter twat.

I've seen how you speak to others elsewhere and I think your just excrement.
Judging by what you've been concerned about today with your own investment, I would have thought you would have wound your neck in, but no.

I won't quote it, because this is the darkcoin thread, and no, I'm not interested in discussing ANYTHING with you, you frustrated, angry, autistic nasty little piece of shit. Now why don't you do us and your lot a big huge favour and FUCK OFF back to your little cave of frustration.

[Artoodeetoo]

oh god this coin still exist

Actually we should be posting that in your thread.

Love this, come on Dark... Litecoin next.

[child_harold]

well, he's entitled to chip in with his 4.4 cents I suppose.

It is amusing to consider that under different circumstances we might've been friends… powerful allies even

Ur alright Tim. British? yes
Alan Partridge?

The 4.4 cents u refer to (the cost of one SDC) can be broken down to a million rynos/rynoshis

Hey… its an endangered species

Under no circumstances would we ever, ever be friends.
Your "high energy" irritant manner screams of exactly the type of person I make great efforts to avoid completely.
You are a strange hybrid of aspergers and utter twat.

I've seen how you speak to others elsewhere and I think your just excrement.
Judging by what you've been concerned about today with your own investment, I would have thought you would have wound your neck in, but no.

I won't quote it, because this is the darkcoin thread, and no, I'm not interested in discussing ANYTHING with you, you frustrated, angry, autistic nasty little piece of shit. Now why don't you do us and your lot a big huge favour and FUCK OFF back to your little cave of frustration.

So you are British.

Perhaps I misjudged. Say hi to David Camera for me

[salmion]

Most cryptonuts have more than one coin they love. Some love more than one with similar goals/feature sets. This is ok.

Others completely paint their faces with team colours and go full braveheart on the other coins.

The trouble comes when they change their mind. This is ok. But it can provoke a little cognitive dissonance. This is caused by getting the blue paint off being quite difficult and slapping on loads of red paint actually just made a bit of a mess. In order to justify the new red face with bits of blue the person in question will try and convince everyone else to paint their faces red too. This will make them feel better about their choice. Everyone else will be asking - why the fuck did you paint your face at all you freak?

"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values."

"Dissonance is felt when people are confronted with information that is inconsistent with their beliefs. If the dissonance is not reduced by changing one's belief, the dissonance can result in restoring consonance through misperception, rejection or refutation of the information, seeking support from others who share the beliefs, and attempting to persuade others."

[bigrcanada]

Hi Tim...no use getting worked up.  Its hopeless and we have better things to work on then spend time with kind of ignorance.  I've put him on Ignore...and alot of the senior members have too.  Cheers!