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661  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 03, 2014, 09:25:00 AM
While it's surely not a problem for Monero, CoinDesk is actively avoiding reporting on it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722532

I've otherwise enjoyed most of the reporting coming out of there, which is why I'm so disappointed by this. Please join me in emailing/tweeting them and asking for answers.
662  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / CoinDesk censors Monero, loses credibility on: August 03, 2014, 09:13:43 AM
Whether you're a supporter of Monero (or cryptonote in general) or not, I hope that many of you see the importance of (relatively) unbiased journalism. It has become quite apparent that CoinDesk is all but refusing to acknowledge the existence of the tech, despite its recent explosion into the alt scene. CryptoNote is arguably one of the biggest innovations in the crypto space since BitCoin, and yet has hardly received a mention on CoinDesk, nevermind an explanation. Two months ago this lack of reporting seemed innocent and excusable, but now it's getting pretty ridiculous. I've commented on CoinDesk's blatant omissions in several relevant articles and every single time my comments were removed.

This post is not out of concern for Monero, as the currency is doing exceedingly well and will continue to grow whether CoinDesk chooses to acknowlege it or not. It is, however, a huge red flag to anyone who looks to CoinDesk for unbiased news reporting and updates on the general state of the crypto space. They've just lost a ton of respect and credibility.

I highly encourage those of you who use Twitter and care about the issue to call their asses out! @coindesk
663  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 01, 2014, 09:33:24 PM
Regarding accessibility, I'm actually working on a slick deterministic seed based web-wallet that could perhaps be integrated into monerochain.info if there's interest. My intention is to drastically lower the barrier of entry to using Monero without depending on the core devs polishing the client.

I don't like talking about work this early on, but I want people to know there are complimentary projects taking place outside the official github repo.

I know that Easywallet-type of wallets are to be avoided, but for rapid adoption, they have played a part in BTC and could do that also with XMR.

Agreed. I think blockchain.info style wallets are pretty safe for everyday use and would make it a lot easier for people to use the currency, but I wouldn't depend on them for securing any significant amount of wealth.

I would like to point out there is a HUGE difference between blockchain.info wallets and easywallet.org and other wallets including coinbase for that matter.

With blockchain.info YOU control the private keys.  With so many others you do not.

IMHO any good web wallet will work this way.  Basing it of the 24 word mnemonic might be a good approach.

That's the idea. Keep in mind there will always be a security/convenience trade-off when it comes to coin storage. But for casual non-investor types, I believe these solutions to be plenty suitable, assuming the provider is reputable.
664  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 01, 2014, 09:10:10 PM
Regarding accessibility, I'm actually working on a slick deterministic seed based web-wallet that could perhaps be integrated into monerochain.info if there's interest. My intention is to drastically lower the barrier of entry to using Monero without depending on the core devs polishing the client.

I don't like talking about work this early on, but I want people to know there are complimentary projects taking place outside the official github repo.

I know that Easywallet-type of wallets are to be avoided, but for rapid adoption, they have played a part in BTC and could do that also with XMR.

Agreed. I think blockchain.info style wallets are pretty safe for everyday use and would make it a lot easier for people to use the currency, but I wouldn't depend on them for securing any significant amount of wealth.
665  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: August 01, 2014, 07:04:37 PM
Regarding accessibility, I'm actually working on a slick deterministic seed based web-wallet that could perhaps be integrated into monerochain.info if there's interest. My intention is to drastically lower the barrier of entry to using Monero without depending on the core devs polishing the client.

I don't like talking about work this early on, but I want people to know there are complimentary projects taking place outside the official github repo.
666  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 30, 2014, 01:08:17 AM
Whether BCN is a scam or not, I don't think it's in our best interest to discuss, especially on this thread (and considering BCN inspired the bitMonero fork).

It seems more than anything Bytecoin was a proof-of-concept implementation by some folks at Stanford that was never intended to be made public. Their intentions probably changed in early 2014 with the increased demand for anonymous cryptos. There's a strong possibility that the owners of BCN's github repo are not the original bytecoin devs.
667  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: July 28, 2014, 01:46:48 AM
BC leaves XMR in the dust. So far.

Yet BC (with all its polish) already trades at a much lower volume than XMR. Pretty sad considering XMR doesn't even have a GUI yet. I guess that just shows how much those "Gen 2.0" features are really worth.

One reason XMR trade volume is higher could be that it's actually safer to keep your XMR's on an exchange than withdrawing them to a wallet. BlackCoiners keep their coins in their wallets staking and securing the network.

What?! Please explain why it's safer to keep your XMR on an exchange rather than your own wallet.
668  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: July 28, 2014, 01:17:00 AM
BC leaves XMR in the dust. So far.

Yet BC (with all its polish) already trades at a much lower volume than XMR. Pretty sad considering XMR doesn't even have a GUI yet. I guess that just shows how much those "Gen 2.0" features are really worth.
669  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 26, 2014, 11:52:00 PM
... please understand this is such an edge-case that we're taking about protection from an extremely sophisticated attacker with extremely large access to resources.

Such as a certain 3-letter government agency? These are exactly the people we're trying to keep out. Otherwise we'd just stick to coin-join.

Monero is at least 12 months away from anything close to this, and it's hard to determine when it is "safe enough" for this. My comment was just to point out that to the casual observers, very technical people, and even reasonably sophisticated attackers Monero is already "safe enough". To a more sophisticated attacker, especially the aforementioned 3LAs, there are so many edge cases we need to deal with that it will take time. But in its current form, it already blows CoinJoin out the water.

Agreed, and I realize it's a work in progress Smiley I wasn't suggesting that CoinJoin is anywhere close to CN tech. The point was that until these edge cases are dealt with, it doesn't really matter.
670  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: July 26, 2014, 11:29:52 PM
You do realise that the number of transactions and users per day of Monero is MINIMAL (probably even less than 0.01% of bitcoin)

I'll assume you're just misinformed and not maliciously spreading false information.
671  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 26, 2014, 10:55:57 PM
... please understand this is such an edge-case that we're taking about protection from an extremely sophisticated attacker with extremely large access to resources.

Such as a certain 3-letter government agency? These are exactly the people we're trying to keep out. Otherwise we'd just stick to coin-join.
672  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 26, 2014, 10:34:02 PM
I would argue that the ability to "prove" your transaction is not hugely important. Such is the nature of cash. You probably wouldn't want to use cash to make public transactions, nor would you be inclined to use Monero.

We should focus on making XMR as untracable and unlinkable as we can (like cash), while continuing to improve usability, and worry less about these convenience features until the coin is more mature. I truly think it will be a mistake to try to make this a do-it-all, something-for-everybody currency.

For usability's sake, there should be a default ambiguity (that isn't zero. Maybe 1 or 2?). Setting specific levels of ambiguity should be an advanced or custom parameter that the average user shouldn't have to think about for common transactions.
673  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 17, 2014, 06:20:29 AM
I actually think that transaction fees will be enough to support the miners without subsidy, because the miners will only process transactions with the highest fees. This will turn transactions into bidding wars, and it will become extremely expensive to get a transaction included in a block.

No, what it means is, people abandon the coin, stop using it, and move to a coin that has a fixed, non-zero subsidy of most likely 1-2%.  In other words, Bitcoin itself will either have to dwarf every other coin in market cap and liquidity, by exponential magnitude forever to avoid this, or even BTC itself will die if they refuse to fork to non-zero block reward.

The conclusion I was leading to is the same as yours. If bitcoin doesn't remedy the issue it will be abandoned long before such a situation manifests.  I was kicking this horse when bitMonero was still just an idea, and the community's anti-inflation paranoia gets in the way of implementing a solution that can really work.
674  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 17, 2014, 12:41:18 AM

I don't actually see anything wrong with off-blockchain, as long as you end up holding the actual coin at the end of the day.


Again, this is another technical consideration that grandma is not likely to understand. Who's the authority? Blockchain.info? or JP Morgan Chase? There is always the possibility that the masses will embrace the wrong authority and the blockchain becomes irrelevant (back to fiat we go).
675  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 17, 2014, 12:33:54 AM
I will continue in the Monero economics thread.

Please provide a link to the thread, so I could move my future economics related discussions there.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597878.new#new
676  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 17, 2014, 12:22:08 AM
The point is, will the general public know the difference (or care)?

I don't know about the general public, but big money does know the difference. Counterparty risk is a widely-recognized concept.

Already (even before Bitcoin has entered a real financial adoption phase), there notable people in the finance world describing it as an asset without counterparty risk, and therefore interesting and potentially valuable.

I see bank notes having a hard time getting real traction when the notes have no real advantage over the coin.

My fear is they won't need an advantage if the easy credit/convenience factor is high enough. I already see this becoming a problem with visa/mastercard processing off-chain bitcoin transactions. The public will embrace the middle-men we originally sought to eliminate.
677  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 17, 2014, 12:10:36 AM
Also, a finite money supply (this includes a fixed reward system) will only encourage banks to use the coin as lending leverage. This "fiatization" would not be difficult, as banks can simply loan out MoneroNotes(tm) at ultra low interest rates, that have the "Legal Tender" stamp of approval.

I'd rather have such debasement baked into the currency, so at least the new coins actually go back to the miners.

Would you accept MoneroNotes from a bank ?

If it's "legal tender for all debts, public and private", and the interest rate is low enough, who wouldn't?

I probably wouldn't. It is a no win scenario. At best the notes are worth the same as the underlying coin, at worst the bank goes bust and you are holding the bag. Why not just prefer the coin itself?

Gold certificates make some sense because they are more portable than gold, can be made more easily in convenient denominations, can be transferred via book entry, etc. I see no real advantage to a MoneroNote, only disadvantage.


The point is, will the general public know the difference (or care)? In an adoption race the banks will win because people and businesses need credit, and the vast majority of the barrowers are not crypto anarchists trying to uproot the system.
678  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 17, 2014, 12:05:34 AM
In regards to the second question, the other way to do so is FreiCoin's system, which over time destroys the balance of all accounts equally through demurrage. The FreiCoin devs insist that this is totally different from inflation, but I haven't been able to follow that argument (and it diverges into a lot of economics I'm not well versed in).

This is the main idea I was trying to get across earlier in the thread. Demurrage differs from inflation because inflation in PoW crypto is more complicated in that each coin has other value properties in addition to being simply a percentage of total value. If the total supply increases by 1%, that doesn't mean the value of each coin decreases by 1%. FreiCoin's demurrage does mean that because a percentage of coins are actually disappearing. This means a 1% demurrage is much more costly than a 1% inflation (in PoW crypto, that is).

Sir, you are not making any sense.

Which part doesn't make sense? I'm comparing the difference between a direct tax and the increased supply of a valuable resource. The value cost is not identical in PoW crypto (though it might be in fiat as new money is created ex nihilo).
679  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 17, 2014, 12:00:07 AM
Also, a finite money supply (this includes a fixed reward system) will only encourage banks to use the coin as lending leverage. This "fiatization" would not be difficult, as banks can simply loan out MoneroNotes(tm) at ultra low interest rates, that have the "Legal Tender" stamp of approval.

I'd rather have such debasement baked into the currency, so at least the new coins actually go back to the miners.

Would you accept MoneroNotes from a bank ?

If it's "legal tender for all debts, public and private", and the interest rate is low enough, who wouldn't?
680  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 16, 2014, 11:57:36 PM
I'm not sure how you have a sound freicoin-style demurrage coin without also having PoW (since I don't accept alternatives such as PoS as having been shown to be sound), so I'm not sure the two can really be viewed as alternatives.
Right. I'm assuming PoW is present in both scenarios.
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