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6621  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Clevebet - SCAM - Plagiarized Whitepaper on: October 04, 2019, 10:14:35 AM

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The funny thing is that they completely changed the team, photos and names were changed. Can this be called trustworthy behavior? I don't think so. And I repeat, all these changes happened immediately after my accusation, before that they did not bother to check anything.

Yup, that is very funny, when they are saying if they already  revised their WP, they hope neg trust from you and Lafu will be removed. But, make a change of their team, this user making another mistake, maybe he was forget his team member. LOL.

That's why i say, if he on the right side, he could getting his neutral trust. Because I know, he will never get it back. we can't trust someone who starting with a lying and give our trust to him very easy.
6622  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Antara uang dunia dan digital on: October 04, 2019, 07:31:26 AM
Mungkin dengan kata lain belum bisa dimanfaatkan secara maksimal, padahal beberapa perusahaan teknologi semisal microsoft sudah menerima bitcoin antara lain untuk layanan add money pada microsoft account.

Kalau tidak terbentur masalah regulasi, saya rasa mereka pasti juga sudah mengimplementasikan bitcoin/crypto dalam daftar tambah dana. Karena fungsi mereka sebagai media pembayaran, maka sangat tidak mungkin untuk menambahkan crypto pada dompet digital dalam negeri. Dari sudut pandang saya, perusahaan juga tidak mau ambil risiko menerima deposit dalam crypto karena takut mengalami kerugian akibat fluktuasi. Beda lagi jika yang mereka kembangkan adalah layanan trading. Risiko kedua adalah dianggap melanggar regulasi yang bisa-bisa mendapatkan sanksi atau bahkan pencabutan izin usaha.
6623  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO][CLEVEBET] NEW BETTING PLATFORM 21ST ! on: October 04, 2019, 03:48:09 AM
I think, revised whitepaper wouldn't solve these accusations. If you are really not a scammer, fight it on scam accusations thread, give a proof, where your office, your face or anything related about you and your team, and you can invite Bitcointalk member in your country to go to your office or something else where I and another member believe about your project. As I say, you are changing your team, is your old team is a mistake too? How it can happen, you are put wrong team on your websites. Cheesy

If you are on the right sides, give a clarification on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186492.0 it's simple to you. If I am a developer, and someone claim if I  am a scammer, I will fight for it to make it clear if I am not. How about you? Are you afraid to make a clarification post on that thread?. Don't worry, witcher_sense as the thread maker who find your plagiarized WP, will remove these accusations if you are on the right side.
6624  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Am I getting scammed? on: October 04, 2019, 02:33:33 AM
I have not recommended you to make a transaction on Paypal to buy or sell an intangible product directly. As TryNinja says it's very easy for him to make disputes or even run away. I have an experience about it, when I am selling SIM card top up credits and pay with Paypal balance. My buyer opens a disputes and I am lose, everything proof I send to Paypal support, I still can't withdraw my money and Paypal sent money to my buyer. Condition like this can happen to you, because intangible product is very low protection. I think, if you want to make a transaction with him, using escrow from trusted escrow member on this forum will be safe your money.
6625  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [TRIVIA] Fitur-fitur Bermanfaat Bitcointalk Yang Kurang Mendapatkan Perhatian on: October 04, 2019, 02:10:37 AM
Dan saya melihat masih banyak user indo yg tidak menggunakan fitur tersebut, source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.

Terima kasih mas, sebelumnya saya pikir trust ini sama dengan trust feedback yang saya berikan kepada orang lain. Ternyata, selama ini saya salah. Trustlist sudah saya tambahkan di OP, karena tidak menutup kemungkinan jika ada lagi yang salah paham selain saya.
6626  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO][CLEVEBET] NEW BETTING PLATFORM 21ST ! on: October 04, 2019, 01:12:49 AM
SCAM WARNING

Please stay away from this project, after being reported as a scammer because plagiarized white paper and fake team before, now he changes his team member on his web. Look at this scam accusations threads https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186492.0 and he was deleted contents from old thread of clevebet, that you can find it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186487.0
6627  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: October 04, 2019, 12:38:03 AM
My AC Milan is so poor these season, so i will be a neutral and will go for a draw on this match.

Yeah, like Milan tagline "we are AC Milan", no matter what happen to this club, AC Milan still my favorite clubs too. I hope this match we can see best performance and get 3 points. If not, I hope this match becomes the last for Giampaolo as manager at AC Milan. And bad news come to AC Milan, G. Donnarumma rejected renewal contracts.
6628  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Penjualan GRAM (telegram token) di tokenomy exchange launchpad on: October 03, 2019, 10:00:57 PM
makin banyak aja exchange yang ngadain IEO GRAM dan dengan harga yang beragam pula, kalo begini ceritanya mana GRAM yang asli nih

Nah, keberagaman harga GRAM, semakin memperjelas kalau gran ini hanya sebagai proyek fiktif. Sekarang gini, kalau memang proyek ini benar-benar ada, tentunya pihak telegram ada konfirmasi melalui telegram juga. Contohnya Facebook yang mengeluarkan rilis Libra melalui domain Facebooknya.

Saya mencoba mencari-cari statemen asli dari pendiri Telegram akan TON/GRAM ini, masih belum dapat. Ya hati-hati buat yang mau ikutan beli, karena proyek ini masih abu-abu menurut saya.

DYOR/DWYOR.
6629  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [Warning] Acashcoin - Fake Team on: October 03, 2019, 09:29:58 PM


Aca looks like one of the worst token/coin things I've seen for a while.

Very bad website. Totally useless and unnecessary tokens, two! of them apparently: Aca & Aba.

Even fake team members. smh


I think this project not in a group. Maybe from individual person who doesn't matter about website design.  But i can't speculate about it and how bad this project. The important think is, we all know if this project is a scammers.
6630  Local / Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Mencari seorang penerjemah (bahasa Inggris-Indonesia) on: October 03, 2019, 09:08:12 PM
Please, move your thread to "Jual-Beli" sections.
6631  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN]⭐ Token Jinbi ~ ‘The Golden ICO’ Menggabungkan Emas Dengan Blockchain ⭐ on: October 03, 2019, 02:48:26 PM
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Ga perlu lagi basa-basi, sudah lama di basa-basiin ama dev. Jinbi. Ya memang seharusnya sebagai BM twtap "melayani". Saya pribadi tidak akan nuntut apa-apa pada BM. Selama dia melayani, saya mah santai. Daripada kaya begini, akun btt online tapi ga ngerespon "unjuk rasa" peserta bounty. Ibaratnya, silakan ambil gajinya, karena itu haknya. Tapi tanggung jawabnya harus tetap dilakukan. Jika scam ya setidaknya kabari peserta bahwa sudah scam, daripada kaya gini mulu.





<snip

Kirim pesannya sudah lama sekali. sekitar 2018 akhir saya kirim pesan ke Sylon.
6632  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN]⭐👑 Token Jinbi ~ ‘The Golden ICO’ Menggabungkan Emas Dengan Blockchain 👑⭐ on: October 03, 2019, 10:02:27 AM
Sylon dan Sensei Stupid sama-sama jarang aktif sekarang. Mengingat sensei adalah translator pilihan Sylon. Entahlah, terakhir lihat sensei ngepost di SFI beberapa bulan lalu. Seharusnya beliau juga memberikan keterangan mengenai proyek ini. Apa yang diungkapkan oleh Sylon secara personal. Tapi ya gitu, risikonya kalau sekali memberikan jawaban, mungkin akan dicecar oleh para peserta bounty yang mungkin ini tidak diharapkan oleh Sylon maupun sensei stupid. Saya rasa sylon sudah tidak akan memegang proyek lagi sekarang, reputasinya sudah berantakan karena tidak ada proyek yang bener yang ia pegang.  Saya sempat PM Sylon melalui telegram, ia balas sekali saat saya menyapa. Setelah tanya soal Jinbi, langsung dah pesan cuma centang satu  Grin
6633  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: if ETH hold above 168, downtrend will be over. on: October 03, 2019, 09:13:21 AM
<...>
but the predictions are not entirely true, news, fud, fomo, pump, dump, there will always be a chart that does not match the predictions and make market unpredictable.

What you mentioned is a condition is not a part of technical analysis. However, many people take advantage of these conditions, even have to take greater risks. Because, sometimes fundamental analysis is not as expected, especially for new traders.
6634  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Antara uang dunia dan digital on: October 03, 2019, 05:01:59 AM

jangankan 10-15 tahun pada saat ini saja sudah banyak warung pinggir jalan menerima gopay ataupun ovo om apa lagi dikota besar sepreti tempat saya tinggal di medan.


Yang dimaksud mas Joni ini adalah untuk proses "penggunaan hampir merata" dibutuhkan waktu setidaknya 10-15 tahun, kalau seperti medan sudah pasti banyak yang menggunakan uang digital. Di Desa tempat saya tinggal, yang mana mayoritas make HP cuma buat facebookan, mana mungkin mau nerima OVO, yang ada pas ditanya "bisa bayar pake OVO" yang ada jawabnya "bayar pake duit, karena mengira OVO itu OPO", he he he. Lagi pula, kebanyakan itu hanya hype di awal-awal saja. Contoh kasus Tcash, awal-awal rame, kemudian sepi. Dompet Indosat, juga bernasip sama, antara hidup dan mati ga jelas. OVO dan gopay, memang sudah masuk target market dalam implementasinya yaitu menyasar e-commerce untuk mencari pengguna yang notabene banyak pengguna di dalamnya. "Pemburu diskon" itulah yang rata-rata membuat perusahaan gagal bertahan lama. Sama halnya dalam dunia bounty & airdrop, Indonesia kebanyakan tuyulnya. Sekali ada promo, langsung sikta sebanyak-banyaknya yang membuat kerugian besar para pengembang. Alhasil, strategi diskon perusahaan membuat rugi dirinya sendiri.

kalau uang kripto dijadikan alat pembayaran
Ini masih sebatas mimpi kita semua yang paham "crypto", karena sudah pasti terbentur UU, yang pasti sulit untuk bisa diterapkan di wilayah hukum Indonesia. untuk poin ini tidak perlu diperpanjang nanti bakalan muter-muter di UU. bisa cek referensinya di thread ini https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113676.0


Sepertinya memang agak susah bagi Gopay buat lanjut selama mereka tidak mempunyai bank sendiri. beda dengan OVO yang ada NOBU Bank dibelakangnya.
saya kira, persaingan uang digital tersebut akan sulit bersaing dengan bank-bank yang sudah mapan layaknya BUMN, kalau pun ada eliminasi 2.0

Sakuku dan inovasi dari BCA akan uang digital ini menjadi terdepan menurut saya. Bagaimana tidak, untuk segala urusan keuangan sudah bisa dilakukan dengan mobile banking. Mulai dari setor/tarik tanpa harus kartu, pengguna BCA sebenarnya tidak perlu lagi make OVO dkk, karena melalui sakuku, mereka sudah bisa belanja di manapun, tapi ya kembali pada penggunaan masih belum merata.
6635  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: October 03, 2019, 04:19:24 AM
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Exactly, as I said before, they must win at least 3 matches. I don't think they can't do it. May be difficult, but something can happen. Even they don't have any target for this competition, of course they will play optimally as they can. Because, they got new hope for the future of clubs in Serie-A. Playing at UCL give Atalanta players lot of experience and it becomes an advantages for them. Maybe for the current targets is, how to stay on top 3 in Serie-A until end of this season.
6636  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: October 03, 2019, 03:41:23 AM
As the representative of Serie A won the UCL match this week, while Intermilan suffered defeat against Barcelona, Napoli only got a draw against the club Genk and also Atalanta suffered defeat against Shakhtar.

Atalanta will be hard to play at UCL for this season. But, I see them still good on domestic league. In serie-A, they can beat Roma, draw with Fiorentina and become on 3rd place until match day 6, I think Atalanta would be better for the next season in UCL if they are qualified again. But, they must keep their best performance until last season on serie-a. So, for this season, I think Atalanta doesn't have a chance to be on the next round. 9 points to save their chance in the next round, Antalanta must keep winning for 3 matches.
6637  Economy / Scam Accusations / [Warning] Acashcoin - Fake Team on: October 03, 2019, 02:31:42 AM
Project name as : Acashcoin currently no thread on Bitcointalk. But you can find it on another forum (archives failed because must solve chaptcha)

Bounty for this project found on Bitcointalk forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5189582.0;topicseen
Archives: https://archive.fo/Mvshr
Thread creator: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2687026

Websites: https://aca.cash/
Archives: https://archive.fo/cSIC8
Domain lookup: https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=aca.cash

Jay Brakash


Real name: Jai Kumar Nair
Reference: sites 1 | site 2

Jon James

Real name: unknown
Job: Fashion model



Another Scam Accusation Report for Acash Coin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5180528.0 by tvplus006
6638  Economy / Services / Re: [SERVICE] Julerz's Bounty Campaign Management 🚧🚧🚧 on: October 03, 2019, 01:18:54 AM
Hello Julerz, I want to ask about restricting message on your telegram. The story of the case, Yesterday I was giving response to another member's who have a question about distributions of your campaign. Then, I am replying to his question with projects you handle before. I don't understand why you have deleted this post and blocking me to give any post. I am trying to contact you by telegram, but still no answer. Can you give me and answer? If you want to reply my message on the telegram, you can find me here.

screnshot: https://i.postimg.cc/DZVrC8k9/image.png

Thank you for any response.


Update case:
Good communication with Jule on telegram, problem solved.
6639  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: BOUNTY YOBIT PRO DAN KONTRA on: October 03, 2019, 12:21:42 AM
Sangat kepengen sekali mendapat bayaran dari bounty yobit yang bisa secepat kilat, belum lagi bayarannya dalam bentuk bitcoin langsung di kirim ke akun yobit, namun semua sia2 dengan akun hanya level member, coba seandainya tidak ada aturan merit mungkin sudah bisa ikut signature yobit,
Sistem merit tidak menghalangi kita untuk tidak bisa ikut kampanye yang bagus dengan bayaran BTC. Tetapi ini membuat kita lebih sadar akan kualitas suatu post yang akan kita buat. Tidak ada aturan merit sekali pun, jika member tersebut 80% postingannya hanya PoA dan report bounty ya pastinya tetep tidak bisa ikut kampanye. bayaran secepat kilat, kalau kita hanya mencari-cari post/thread lama untuk dijadikan tempat komen demi mencapai target, ya sama aja kurang baik. Banyak thread tenggelam dikomentari kembali hanya karena berusaha untuk mencari jumlah post pada kampanye Yobit ini. Dan ini sangat disayangkan menurut saya. Tapi ya, semua itu risiko dari user itu sendiri sih.  

Memang signatur ini sangat menarik perhatian, namun tidak usah menyalahkan sistem, Merit mencegah banyak sekali akun untuk naik rank termasuk akun saya, tapi menyalahkan bukan hal yang tepat. Rezeki sudah ada yang atur gan. Intinya belum rezeki agan
Merit juga tidak mencegah kita untuk tidak naik rank, contohnya mas abhiseshakana, mas pandukelana, Husna QA dan saya sendiri masih bisa naik rank. Jika saya lihat profil mas,  pendaftaran akun dengan saya tidak jauh beda, sama-sama daftartahun 2017. Saya dulu sempat mikir bakal sulit untuk naik rank, tetapi, ternyata apa yang saya pikirkan sangat salah. Member-member Indonesia ga pelit untuk berbagi merit, asal kita mau memperbaiki kualitas post yang kita buat. Bahkan moderator SFI merupakan merit source untuk member Indonesia. Semua tinggal bagaimana kita saja mas.

Note: mohon untuk tidak membahas yang tentang meritnya agar tidak OOT
6640  Economy / Scam Accusations / [Warning] DEN WALLET - Plagiarized Whitepaper on: October 02, 2019, 11:08:29 PM
Thread Title: [ANN] [ICO] DEN Wallet | DEX, DAPPS & Portfolio
Forum Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5189533.0
Thread creator: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2636672
Thread archives: https://archive.fo/4cdaB

Domain address: denwallet.org
Website archives: https://archive.is/MJVz4
Domain Lookup: https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=denwallet.org

Whitepaper archives: https://gofile.io/?c=Loc63D

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