Good. I forced myself off the subject after my last post 12hrs ago  Good Day. |
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Lol.. you said faster is better cuz it's more fun and exciting. That's what i replied at. Has nothing to do with hourly. Read back your comments if you can't follow it.
Edit: and 5 min instead of 10 seems ok to me. Just the 1 or 3 is too fast.
I think a move to 7 would be better first to gauge it. I think I played at a site before that was set up with 6 at one point and that wasn't too bad. More or less need a median ground. Then the data itself should help show whether it is a good idea to move down a little more or not. That is exactly what I was trying to say, ranlo. 5 or 6 is a good start...The problem or the matter of my argument was about what is optimal for the hourly, not what is ideal (that of course a deep stack long level is perfect for me too in general). Seals had 6 min freezeout without extended registration with shallow stack (1500chips) but it was always a good (not donk-fest all in) game. Unfortunately the dude (NLNico) with whom we started the discussion still refers to my point with that short statement I made in my earliest post ((faster is better cuz it's more fun and exciting)) I explained why and again explained more analytically later on but still this dude NLNico everytime wants to answer my argument, uses the same early sentence from my fisrt post ((faster is better cuz it's more fun and exciting)). I finally could get into his character well, first he said I am not able to formulate, then not able to follow as he is speaking general and not about the hourly MTTs (this one ridiculus, all my post was concretely about hourly MTTs and what is optimal for them). Well I remember in one hourly in which I was playing HU with him the last stage, he said it is hard to beat him since he plays optimal game theoretically. NLNico your character doesn't need any explanation, know ur type. u say I can't follow the arguments...hehe thank u for the weekend joke, makes me happy. Just as a math teacher who deals with college students every week, liked to ask who the hell was ur math teacher at school?!? Good day. |
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Dont get me wrong too: I like deep stack long level MTTs more when I can apply small ball expert postflop strategies and reads against fishes..
But what you and NLNico are lacking in your arguments is that we are not considering what an ideal MTT could be. As I asked him ironically, do you then prefer the hourly GTD's to have 30min level and 400BB stack each for more skillful play?! It is just hourly and that causes it to be a bit faster, is it that hard to understand??? (and a bit faster doesn't mean u can't apply skill and win more)
U again want to explain how faster means this or that or 1/3 of this or 1/9 of that... these are trivial facts that even premature players know well.
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Are u a noob ranklo? How long are u playing poker?All u explain are trivial facts, everyone with the knowledge upper than ranking winning hands know them. I answered NLNico so don't see any need to explain again.
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First off, I didn't introduce some facts, I just explained my experience visiting LBP once. Do not claim anything, so please don't criticize me factually! Second, Satoshi is rather new and still soon to be judged, third I just don't know why LBT's site is not available anymore, at least in my browser |
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livebitcoinpoker.com , huh: the first (that was the last time actually) I visited their page, after registration, they sent me email with BTC and LTC address, mentioning that after I deposit min 1BTC or 20LTC, I ll be able to play in their freeroll and that they will send me how and where to play instructions (not exact words but something like this) accordingly. That scared me off the site. Now I see their site is off too  |
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Lol, bybitcoin.. You said: As an offer: level time set at 3min or even 1 is exciting and more fun!
I said: Yeh, but also much more fishy and more luck than "skill".
This is 100% true. Faster levels provoke more all-ins preflop and therefor more luck and therefor more chance for the "fishes" to win. I have played 60 SatoshiPoker tourneys in the last 2 days and I do not see much people be very loose in the 1K GTD. Yet everyone is very loose and easily go all-in in the Super Turbo. Why? Because of the fast levels. If you do not understand this, then you don't understand the basics of poker. Then after my first reply, you come up with this late registration strategy, which is (like I said) another "issue". Fast levels slightly "solve" this problem, even though I think it's not the best solution (cuz you can just remove late reg.) And now you come up with " hourly tournaments should be finished within the hour". Which in some cases, like freerolls, I might actually agree (actually I might disagree too, tbh idc about when it's finished.) Still this has nothing to do with the fact that "fast structure = more luck". You really cannot argue with that :\ And my suggestion and/or solution would be: less freerolls, higher pricepool, same structure (so it's not all luck)  OR only the freerolls a little bit faster and let the GTD be played normally. But of course that's up to the admins. I do think there was a lot of action last 2 days with all the tourneys so that's good for SP of course edit: to be honest I think we agree on most parts, you just didn't formulate your opinion well and come with new 'arguments' every time :p First of all, agree, all we discuss is our opinion, the admin might or might not consider them, rightfully. But about your words: dude I know faster levels means more fishy and luck, that is a trivial fact.. but first of all I see some fixed people who play the same game (and loosen up our tables) no matter what level it is, and the others who play carefully again no matter which level it is. Second, okay if longer means more skills, then what about making levels 30min and stacks 400BB each? This is hourly GTDs, not a daily or weekly or a big event high prize MTT. I think most of people agree it is better for hourly to be comleted within that hour.. But I am strongly positive: we agree on most parts, less freerolls, if GTDs are freezeout then better to have not that late registration, and also a bigger prize pool and maybe bigger buy-ins (Seals at its high traffic pace has 500GTD with 50buy-ins, numbers are mBTC) But still I think it is much better to have shorter levels (maybe 5min be more agreeable). |
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Seals rake is about the lowest you'll find anywhere.
Other sites that give huge rakeback deals charge twice as much rake to begin with.
5% rake with 50% RB = 2.5% rake with no RB
Low rake is good but the way we perceive the rakeback doesn't correlate. For example: If rake is 10% and rakeback is 8% If rake is 20% and rakeback is 16% We will always perceive the 16% rakeback as being the better deal, despite them both being the same. At the same time, we look at the rake and say that the 10% is better than the 20%, although again both end up equal. So no matter how they have the rake/rakeback set up, there will always be people on both sides (liking/disliking). Just can't get the logic of your statements (here and the other thread as well). All our critics (at least mine) is not about the numbers. It was about the fact that, the rakeback and rewarding system and schedule is better to have a more logical continuous progression. Otherwise we all know that Seals rake/rakeback regime is too generous and better than most in industry even if there would have not been any rakeback given at all. |
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As an offer: level time set at 3min or even 1 is exciting and more fun!
Yeh, but also much more fishy and more luck than "skill". A lot of players, including me, mostly play with many tables at the same time anyway :X :p so for me this is no problem :X only with the HTML5 client it might be confusing (or even impossible to play multiple.) Yeah, making the levels faster means you have to spend more time risking and less time using strategy. 3 minutes could be as little as 4-5 hands before the blinds increase. I also play multiple tables. Faster level means fishy and more luck: are you guys serious?? Faster levels are fishy but the hourly with 8min level duration and one hour extended registration is not fishy (after all it is HOURLY, should usually end before one hour, and also it is a freezeout, so late buy-ins are...) If you have witnessed one of these games, you have seen that some players have the strategy to not register until the last moment of registration, close to one hour, and then join the few remained in the game, and start all in bang bang every hand until they get doubled or something. Isn't this fishy or luck? Are you serious?? An hourly should be usually completed before that hour, therefore 5, 3 or even 1 min. level duration is logical. Are YOU serious? Faster levels = more fishy and luck. That is just by definition. The fact that you can easily win by registering in the last seconds of late reg is a separated "issue" (and profitably for myself so far.) My solution to that, would be to just disallow late reg. If you have witnessed one of these games I think I played in like 50 of them in last 2 days. I don't think that the faster levels in a loose low buy-in game would change the sophistication of strategy and style of players involved, a donk will play more or less the same game (all in frequently) no matter he has 10BB or 100BB. But tell me sir: do you believe an hourly should long more than 1/5 hours or should be completed within that hour? The fact that your are winning or profiting in something doesn't necessarily mean that thing to be correct. If you want a deep stack super high strategic game with long enough level duration, then you may better try the higher buy-in daily or weekly MTTs ... Hourly GTDs have not been created for this. (they are more comparable to weekly blitz games in chess than a championship over 2800 rating grand master tournament) |
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As an offer: level time set at 3min or even 1 is exciting and more fun!
Yeh, but also much more fishy and more luck than "skill". A lot of players, including me, mostly play with many tables at the same time anyway :X :p so for me this is no problem :X only with the HTML5 client it might be confusing (or even impossible to play multiple.) Yeah, making the levels faster means you have to spend more time risking and less time using strategy. 3 minutes could be as little as 4-5 hands before the blinds increase. I also play multiple tables. Faster level means fishy and more luck: are you guys serious?? Faster levels are fishy but the hourly with 8min level duration and one hour extended registration is not fishy (after all it is HOURLY, should usually end before one hour, and also it is a freezeout, so late buy-ins are...) If you have witnessed one of these games, you have seen that some players have the strategy to not register until the last moment of registration, close to one hour, and then join the few remained in the game, and start all in bang bang every hand until they get doubled or something. Isn't this fishy or luck? Are you serious?? An hourly should be usually completed before that hour, therefore 5, 3 or even 1 min. level duration is logical. |
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Structure of that hourly GTD needs a revision and correction, in my opinion.
Deep Stack Freezeout with one hour of extended registration, LoLLLLLLLLLL.
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Also about the hourly GTDs, it is a bit confusing too:
If it is going to be a freezeout, then please remove or at least limit the time for extended registration. In a few hours it has become a standard winning strategy: a group of guys start to play, they play in a normal manner, logical play, some win, some lose... we enter the break after one hour of hard playing, very few remained, sometimes just in the money or close to it. But 1 or 2 minutes to the end of registration, 6 or 7 fixed people, that apply this strategy, enter and start bang bang all in every hand--- after few minutes everything is changed. All in with all kind of junk, K7o, 84s... a deep stack tough game that progressed step by step, in the late levels becomes like a donk-fest freeroll. It becomes disgusting..
Or if you are concerned with the prize pool to be compensated by more players entering, then please make it a usual multi-buying format of MTT.
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Also it affects the hourly GTD 55buyin, since their prizes are too closed..
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But it brings headache to me, very long, each one takes +2hours to be completed!
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May you make the freerolls faster? They run into each other (and if one play a hourly GTD, then super confusing) As an offer: level time set at 3min or even 1 is exciting and more fun! |
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I used first of all Chrome, then Mozilla and then IE and non of them worked, anyway ty for mentioning.
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Is it not better to have shorter level time in freerolls, that's put for shorter rebuy period too? The problem is that at the current pace freerolls run into each other. Just an offer |
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