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681  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why bitcoin so expensive? on: January 18, 2018, 04:09:52 AM
Why bitcoin so expensive?

Because you’re poor.
682  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: South Korea update on: January 17, 2018, 08:48:17 PM
What exactly do they mean by “excessive speculation”? How do they think they are going to control price swings in bitcoin?

“excessive speculation and fraudulent activities will be met with severe consequences.”
683  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what’s happening with the Asian market crypto bans to be interesting. on: January 17, 2018, 08:37:37 PM
For sometime I have been wondering what would happen if all major economic powers were to ban crypto. The powers that be have every reason to ban crypto because of its very real threat to the hegemonic system we live in. We talk about blockchain cutting out the middle man? That’s very profitable entire industries that will be wiped out. That being said I still believe crypto and blockchain is what we need to establish real international democracy. The biggest threat to crypto is not the government’s regulation or restriction on crypto but of the fact that it remains backed by fiat. Until crypto can become fiat free meaning you can get it without fiat it will remain a vulnerable project with a very uncertain future. My question to the forum is how can we free crypto from fiat?
 
I don’t think the major powers will ban it. I think they will use it to identify tax cheats and money launderers. It will get banned in small countries though. Here’s a little tinfoil hat shit for you. You know the US government just took down BTCe in scamcashistan or wherever the hell it was located. The US gov starts looking at the books and realizes how prolific money laundering is in bitcoinland. They contact their G20 buddies and let them know that they may need to take down a couple of exchanges in their countries too. I think it’s a little too coincidental that all of the countries considering closing exchanges lately are G20 members.
684  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Forbes Magazine calls Bitcoin a "Great Scam" on: January 17, 2018, 08:26:20 PM
It can’t be a “great scam” because everyone thinks it’s a scam. Bernie Madoff ran a “Great Scam”. It was around almost 30 years and everyone though it was legit. If bitcoin is a scam it’s a shitty scam because too many people recognized it too quick.
685  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I heard a weird news, Korean government going to ban Crypto currency exchanges? on: January 17, 2018, 08:19:39 PM
It’s not really that weird. I’m surprised it’s taken this long. You know the US government just took down BTCe in scamcashistan or wherever. The US gov starts looking at the books and realize how prolific money laundering is in bitcoinland. They contact their G20 buddies and let them know that they may need to take down a couple of exchanges in their country too. I think it’s a little too coincidental that all of the countries considering closing exchanges lately are G20 members.
686  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Gdax/Coinbase crediting your wires fast or not? on: January 17, 2018, 07:56:19 PM
If I do a wire today into Gdax, how fast will I see it credited in my Gdax account?

I have read horror stories, so I am iffy about doing this, but the sales are everywhere and I need the funds there in my trading account FAST!

Thanks !!

Maybe 3-7 days. It’s taken a different amount of time for me every transfer. There’s nothing “fast” about bitcoin. The time involved is the reason most people get screwed over when an exchanges gets closed and raided by the feds or steals the money and runs away. They have to leave money on the exchange all the time.

Debit card/credit card = immediate.
Btc transaction = 10 minutes, 20 minutes, ?
Withdraw cash from a bank = 90 seconds
Withdraw cash from a bitcoin exchange = 3 days, 7 days, two weeks, who knows

I did the wire to coinbase. I will let you know how fast I get credit for it.

I have not linked my debit card to coinbase, only my credit card, but I imagine the purchase limit they impose is the same for debit cards vs credit cards?
Also, is the debit card fee the same as their credit card fee?
I hate giving coinbase so much money in fees to use the credit cards and I can only buy $750 right now, which sucks.

If you don't mind me asking, how are you getting your fiat into crypto? Gemini or other?

Thanks

Yeah, let me know. You’re right the limit is the same. I get my coins from a Coinsource ATM in North beach, SF.

Hi, surprisingly, they credited the wire the same day. It probably took around 6 hrs from when it was made.
Now I am not sure what to do since everything keeps going down.
I was going to go on a buying spree last night, but I am glad I didn't.
Nothing but hold what I already have and try to buy at some point soon.
Good luck!


LOL isn’t it funny that they credit same day when the price is plummeting and three days when it’s skyrocketing. I guess they want you to get in there and buy to prop up the price.
687  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Gdax/Coinbase crediting your wires fast or not? on: January 17, 2018, 06:09:39 AM
If I do a wire today into Gdax, how fast will I see it credited in my Gdax account?

I have read horror stories, so I am iffy about doing this, but the sales are everywhere and I need the funds there in my trading account FAST!

Thanks !!

Maybe 3-7 days. It’s taken a different amount of time for me every transfer. There’s nothing “fast” about bitcoin. The time involved is the reason most people get screwed over when an exchanges gets closed and raided by the feds or steals the money and runs away. They have to leave money on the exchange all the time.

Debit card/credit card = immediate.
Btc transaction = 10 minutes, 20 minutes, ?
Withdraw cash from a bank = 90 seconds
Withdraw cash from a bitcoin exchange = 3 days, 7 days, two weeks, who knows

I did the wire to coinbase. I will let you know how fast I get credit for it.

I have not linked my debit card to coinbase, only my credit card, but I imagine the purchase limit they impose is the same for debit cards vs credit cards?
Also, is the debit card fee the same as their credit card fee?
I hate giving coinbase so much money in fees to use the credit cards and I can only buy $750 right now, which sucks.

If you don't mind me asking, how are you getting your fiat into crypto? Gemini or other?

Thanks

Yeah, let me know. You’re right the limit is the same. I get my coins from a Coinsource ATM in North beach, SF.
688  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin continues to split on: January 17, 2018, 06:02:33 AM
your title is dumb since bitcoin did not split. bitcoin is still bitcoin with 100% of the majority on it. a split means when a big part of the network chooses a different chain than the rest of it and fork like that.

when some random idiot copy pastes bitcoin code that is not called "split" it is called creating an altcoin. and so far there has been 667 forks of bitcoin creating useless altcoins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2292712.0

But some Bitcoin Cash people do not believe so. Under the lead of Roger Ver, they say that Bitcoin has already "split" into two. Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Cash, and one of them is the "real" Bitcoin. The one that maintains "Satoshi's Vision".

I do not know if I should laugh or cry. Or maybe we should cry in laughter.

well bitcoin cash at least had some hashrate support and some followers so it makes sense to call that a "split" since it somehow matches the definition i gave above. but to call it "real" bitcoin is wrong because "real" bitcoin is the one with majority support, and BCH does not have that if someday BCH gains that then it becomes the "real" bitcoin. but with the recent spam attack against it which lasted nearly 50 hours i think people can realize that the same issues persist on BCH: fees went up from <$0.01 to $0.12 when blocks were full.
and blocks became full while normally they are less than 200 kB

Hahaha no. Bitcoin Cash will never be the real Bitcoin. It was the network the split away from the main chain by changing its consensus rules and putting replay protection. It is an altcoin, and not only that, it is an attack on Bitcoin. do not give in the Roger Ver's propaganda.

your title is dumb since bitcoin did not split. bitcoin is still bitcoin with 100% of the majority on it. a split means when a big part of the network chooses a different chain than the rest of it and fork like that.

when some random idiot copy pastes bitcoin code that is not called "split" it is called creating an altcoin. and so far there has been 667 forks of bitcoin creating useless altcoins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2292712.0
As far as I’m concerned Bitcoin Cash is just another shitcoin.



It is good to know that I am not the only one.

Oh no, you’re not alone. Just the fact Roger Ver supports it is enough reason to know it’s a shitcoin. I wouldn’t buy a baked potato for ten cents from Ver if it came with a free Mercedes.
689  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoint to $1,800 USD by end of 2018 on: January 16, 2018, 06:34:00 PM
The end of 2018? If it doesn’t stop falling like a rock today it will be there before February.

The lower it gets, the greater will be its recovery.

The fact that it is dropping like a rock, is only happening because of fear of loss, and taking profit. When it reverses, everybody will see that Bitcoin is king. They won't fall for little, staged reversals in the future. Bitcoin will go like crazy.

However, if we get another dump like this sometime, the correction back up that follows that one will be greater than ever. Why? Because millions more people will know about Bitcoin by then, and will want to get on board for the future.

Cool

The concept you’re talking about was best described in the mid-19th century by P. T. Barnum, “There's a sucker born every minute".
690  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoint to $1,800 USD by end of 2018 on: January 16, 2018, 06:14:24 PM
The end of 2018? If it doesn’t stop falling like a rock today it will be there before February.
691  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Gdax/Coinbase crediting your wires fast or not? on: January 16, 2018, 06:05:25 PM
If I do a wire today into Gdax, how fast will I see it credited in my Gdax account?

I have read horror stories, so I am iffy about doing this, but the sales are everywhere and I need the funds there in my trading account FAST!

Thanks !!

Maybe 3-7 days. It’s taken a different amount of time for me every transfer. There’s nothing “fast” about bitcoin. The time involved is the reason most people get screwed over when an exchanges gets closed and raided by the feds or steals the money and runs away. They have to leave money on the exchange all the time.

Debit card/credit card = immediate.
Btc transaction = 10 minutes, 20 minutes, ?
Withdraw cash from a bank = 90 seconds
Withdraw cash from a bitcoin exchange = 3 days, 7 days, two weeks, who knows
692  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoint to $1,800 USD by end of 2018 on: January 16, 2018, 05:51:55 PM
This report is already being discussed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2753936.0
693  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why bitcoin price decreased too much? on: January 16, 2018, 03:54:57 PM
Bitcoin is a currency that’s controlled by supply and demand like a commodity. This makes the exchange rate of bitcoin incredibly fragile. Bitcoins exchange rate is pegged to the US dollar unlike all other currencies (including the dollar) which are pegged to, minted by and controlled by a national government.

If you understand what controls the value of fiat then you will understand that bitcoin has no such protections. The value of the dollar decreases when there are more dollars in circulation, and increases when there are less of them. One of the main controls of the value of the dollar is the interest rate. What we call "the interest rate" is basically the rate central banks charge to lend money to banks overnight. This is set by central banks or governments, and ends up determining how much money banks will charge for lending money generally. The interest rate controls the value of the dollar, by controlling how many dollars are in circulation, by making people more willing or less willing to borrow money. If the Government wants to decrease the value of the dollar, for example to stimulate exports (since foreigners will get more dollars for their currency with a weaker dollar), it can lower interest rates and even simply increase the amount of money held by the central bank (quantitative easing), almost at the stroke of a key. This is a simplification of one aspect a government uses to control the value of a currency.

Bitcoin has no such controls. I’ve heard fools repeat the idiotic notion that bitcoins fixed quantity (21 million) controls inflation. That in turn means bitcoin is deflationary. That’s an insane concept because inflation and deflation are constructs of a vibrant national economy and do not apply to commodities (remember bitcoin is a currency that acts like a commodity). Deflation is when consumer prices fall over time. This may seem like a great thing for shoppers, except that the cause of widespread deflation is a long-term drop in demand. It means that a recession is probably underway. That brings job losses, declining wages and a big hit to your stock portfolio. As a recession worsens, so does deflation. Businesses lower prices in a desperate attempt to get people to buy their products. NONE of this applies to bitcoin because it’s not fiat (money controlled or minted by a government).

So what is bitcoin price controlled by then? The simple answer is consumer confidence but that’s not entirely true either. As with most commodities, bitcoin is manipulated legitimately by day trading and illegitimately (illegally) by insider trading. Market manipulation runs rampant in the bitcoin world. The only thing controlling the bitcoin price is consumer confidence, trading and market manipulation. That means the bitcoin exchange rate will bounce up and down like a rubber ball forever and you can never trust where it will land.

694  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin continues to split on: January 16, 2018, 05:40:38 AM
your title is dumb since bitcoin did not split. bitcoin is still bitcoin with 100% of the majority on it. a split means when a big part of the network chooses a different chain than the rest of it and fork like that.

when some random idiot copy pastes bitcoin code that is not called "split" it is called creating an altcoin. and so far there has been 667 forks of bitcoin creating useless altcoins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2292712.0

I don’t think the OP wrote the article so it’s not his title. If you clicked the link you would see the title is “bitcoin continues to split”. Although, I agree it’s a stupid name and a stupid article. Altturds continue to use the name bitcoin to confuse and draw people into investing in the wrong coin. That’s the same thing Bitcoin Cash did. As far as I’m concerned Bitcoin Cash is just another shitcoin.

695  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Warren Buffett's Bleak Prediction Of Bitcoin And Cryptocurrencies Is Wrong on: January 16, 2018, 05:30:17 AM
He might be wrong because he’s 135 years old and the last car owned was a Ford Model T.
696  Economy / Speculation / Re: Quinlan Associates: Bitcoin Price will Crash to $1,800 in 2018 on: January 16, 2018, 03:39:48 AM
I never heard of that group. I think it is just another propaganda against bitcoin. If they think they can influence people to dump their bitcoin because of their report well they will be disappointed.


I can see more and more news like that.
Even at my local bitcoin exchange there is a warning that investing in Bitcoin might not be the safest investing option
and the high price we currently have is most likely a bubble and soon we will see a severe correction.
With enough of bullshit flying around people would start to believe in all negative news and will follow anti-bitcoin propaganda.

A conscientious exchange!  Now that’s news. If you don’t mind me asking, which one is it?
697  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: KFC now accepts Bitcoin! on: January 15, 2018, 05:33:39 PM
Customers waiting for network 6 block deep confirmations.

698  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Blackout - No transactions on Christmas Eve! on: January 15, 2018, 04:56:54 PM
Cheesy QuestionAuthority, you are amazing man, I love you. You gave me the whole Bitcoin 101 thing. You should post this on a new topic for some new users.

I am sorry man, I didn't mean to get you to write everything from the start, I already know everything that you said, I know transaction scripts, mathematical proof of public key cryptography, all of that as well. I just wanted to know why you say that fees come from newly minted coins, but I guess I can understand that in a way as well Cheesy

As for the price manipulation thing, yeah, I agree with that as well, but you know, I said most likely the price would decrease if there were less users and I still think that is the case, but I don't want to get off-topic here.

The point was that the user named Qunenin showed concern that if we stop making transactions, miners would not be able to turn profit anymore so they will all leave. I just wanted to explain that miners don't just earn bitcoins by getting mining fees, but that they are earning them mostly with the inflation of Bitcoin.

LOL

Oh ok, I understand you now and I agree with you. Stopping transactions would likely have no effect on miners anyway. If enough people did it long enough then I suppose it would reduce the fee cost but that’s not likely going to happen. What most people don’t understand about miners (and I was one for years) is that they also make transactions. I used to exchange and spend a portion of my mined btc every month on electricity, equipment upgrades, loan payback for the equipment I bought, space rent and repairs. Mining pools also send btc to their pool members (thousands of people) sometimes daily as payment for their share of the work they perform for the pool. Even if every non-miner stopped making transactions there would still be transactions happening.
699  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm late! on: January 15, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
700  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Indonesia bans Bitcoin on: January 15, 2018, 04:02:33 PM
It just a bad news for all of bitcoin community and user but I think it will again open for Indonesian people .
Yes, it's really bad news for all of bitcoin community. I can't know whether it will come back again but i hope it come back again

Most of the countries that have come out against bitcoin are really a joke because they can’t have any effect but Indonesia is different.

Indonesia has the largest economy in Southeast Asia and is one of the new emerging market economies of the world. The country is also a member of G-20 major economies and classified as a newly industrialised country. It is the sixteenth largest economy in the world by nominal GDP and is the seventh largest in terms of PPP.

Here’s the reason they can’t afford to lose control by allowing the widespread use of bitcoin. In the aftermath of the financial and economic crisis that began in mid-1997 the government took custody of a significant portion of private sector assets through acquisition of nonperforming bank loans and corporate assets through the debt restructuring process and the companies in custody were sold for privatization several years later. Since 1999 the economy has recovered and growth has accelerated to over 4–6% in recent years.

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