Incorrect. There was nothing wrong with the Windows build, the user was just being impatient. The Linux version gives the same error if you try to start mining before syncing to the network, as explained by a helpful user right away:


Followed by:


I understand there were some bugs having to do with mining during the Dash launch, and weren't so easy to fix by syncing before mining. Is that correct?

Connectivity tool and core proxy are completely unimportant. I'm not sure about the error in that last file, as it contains the core of the p2p code. If that wouldn't compile, the node wouldn't either. There might be some kind of include path issue with the Windows build scripts.

I'm wondering coins101, did Dash have Windows binaries at launch? Did Evan delay the launch 12 hours to have Windows binaries ready, the way TFT did (one of the few things he ever did right), or did he instead launch an instamine of a million or so coins in a few hours with no Windows binaries released? Which is it?


Do you have any idea what was being discussed there? (I'm betting you don't.) I was concerned about the stability of the network with the fast 1 minute blocks. It turned out my concerns were somewhat overblown and it wasn't an especially serious problem in practice.

If coding skills are all that matter, why do you even care about this thread? Maybe you should just ignore it, and let the matter be settled on the basis of coding skills.

Or is it that these threads bother you because you realize that coin known to be instamined, with a failed social contract and shady ambush launch by the lead developer can't succeed, so you try to hide that stuff, and it pisses you off that we keep talking about it?

Thank you for the pool MoneroMooo! I will add to the OP

If these get big, they become banks, and they won't serve the unbanked. They're slipping under the regulatory radar by being small (and somewhat, new) now is all.

I'm not sure there is a third alternative.

I don't agree the unbanked will use bitpay or circle or coinbase. If they do that they would be banked. There is a reason they aren't banked.

The original cryptonote code kept all of the blockchain in memory. That works fine and even has some performance advantages but it obviously requires a lot of RAM and an increasing amount as the blockchain gets bigger. We've rewritten that to use a database, the way Bitcoin/Litecoin (and their forks/clones) do. That's a major change and it requires a lot of testing and working out of corner cases before it can be officially released. People are continuing to test it and work out those issues.

There are a number of other fixes and items from the development goals document being worked in parallel, such as anonymity improvements, wallet improvements, smart mining, difficulty retargeting algorithm, etc.

Yeah the flocking of people to the coin was really very fast. For one thing there was a built in interest base of people who were already following/mining/trading BCN and wanted a new non-premined fork, so they came over right away (most or all of the core team came from that). For another, the big pump of DRK was starting. Anon was hot. Monero was the hot new anon.

The OTC thread started Apr 21, and there was a lot of trading on it right away. Check the ticker: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0

Please stop the thread derailing though Brilliantrocket. You're not one of these rabid attack-the-attacker Dash fanboy types, so you know better. If you doubt the early history of Monero, create a thread for that.

Also, btw, as I pointed out earlier, the Dash instamine scam was mostly 1-day not 2-days, and most of even the first day was within a few hours. It shouldn't have been launched at all, by Evans own promises, but it could easily have been relaunched/halted after just a few hours to get rid of what was already an enormous instamine mess (million coins or so after a few hours), which is totally different from proposing relaunching something after 2 weeks with an active community and a lot of BTC already traded for it because of some code in the miner that we don't know even did anything at all (and if it did, it wasn't much, as I explained).

There was no significant number of scammed coins at all. The mining proceeded at the usual slow pace, with a large number of people mining and posting on the thread. Even if I were TFT (of course I'm not, and had nothing to do with him, and no one credibly believes that I am), I wouldn't have gotten much.

As for the claim that somehow people getting 1-2 blocks per day was an indication of malfeasance, think about the numbers. There are 1440 blocks per day. If a computer gets 1-2 blocks per day that is something like 1000 desktops mining it, which isn't many at all, considering the dozens of people posting about mining on the thread and miners using server farms and cloud nodes (one large cloud nodes was equal to roughly 4 desktops). That's the normal amount you would expect. So again, this is evidence against any (significant) scam mining actually going on, not in favor.

I didn't, this statement is untrue.


No. We worked as quickly as we could under the circumstances and had no reason to believe any more was needed, but in any case as volunteers with no premine/instamine/ICO we weren't going to put even more time into the project than we did.


No, I didn't profit greatly (or at all) from the (Bytecoin, and possibly Monero) miner scam. If TFT scammed me and others, that's unfortunate, but not something I can reasonably regret. More likely I'd be angry with him for ripping me off, if I thought it was actually significant in magnitude (it wasn't).

If you want to know about regret for releasing it or from using it to scam (if he even did), you would you would have to ask him.


Many reasons including that it was already being widely mined and used, and because we didn't really understand the that it was crippled it at the time, just slower than necessary  (and NoodleDoodle speed it up -- we and everyone were grateful to him for doing it). The full understanding, including its connection to the Bytecoin premine, only came later (largely it was rethink-your-strategy who put all the pieces together, and his post wasn't until August -- 3-4 months later).


No I had nothing to do with it. I can't regret something I didn't do.

Evan did instamine Dash. He did mislead people about the launch time. He did cut the coin supply by 75%. I wonder if he regrets that.

Please try to stay on topic though, and not engage in deflection. That would be the Dash instamine.

As I understand it, the 500 coins/block was a bug and did not match the original published parameters. Unlike when this happened with Bitcoin, the developer of Dash just let the instaminers (including himself) who got the extra "bug" coins to keep them, but fixed the bug to cut the rewards back for others going forward.

There were other cuts to the supply and rewards, I think, but its hard to collect all the relevant information (why would that be?), so I'm not 100% sure.

There is no smear unless the statements are untrue.

Which statements are untrue? Did he release code (after he was asked to take his time and fix it) that had bugs creating extra coins, and then keep those coins? Did he post misleading statements about the launch time? Did he mine himself during the first hours of the instamine? Did he cut the supply by 75% later?

The answers are all yes, and all of these are well documented.

You're just upset because you don't like the reality of it and for whatever reason you have committed yourself emotionally to a coin regardless of the horribly shady behavior of its developer (described above), so you lash out at Monero.

It doesn't help justify Evan's actions. I wonder if he regrets those actions.

Exactly, this is the Bytecoin developer. Last touched long before Monero was launched. There is no evidence that TFT (the original dev of Monero) ever looked at it or know about it. It is certainly proven (from that blame) that no one touched it since Bytecoin.

Since you apparently don't understand how git works, you just went ahead and presented evidence (not conclusive, of course) against your claim of involvement by Monero. Nice.

Same applies to anyone else besides TFT until NoodleDoodle found it, fixed it, and released the fix.

Please stop thread derailing though. This thread is about Evan instamining Dash.

To keep things on topic, I guess we should go ahead and pull up the code in dash's git that created 2 million extra coins in the first day or (500 coins per block, when the correct reward was far lower) and see who get the "blame" for that one?

Skyenet thank you for adding the disclosure to the FAQ. I've removed my negative trust on you, as you have addressed my concern here.

Thanks for the clarification, I didn't notice the distinction.

That is great work. I nominate luigi1111 to get part of the bounties for designing this, the rest to go to whoever implements it (could be him of course).

Wow nice donations guys. Thanks!

Donations wallet:
balance: 5494.566127230582, unlocked balance: 5494.566127230582

(none spent)

For sure. A successful and widely used cryptocurrency will likely have a capitalization in the trillions. That's a million USD or so per coin for coins with millions-of-coin supplies like BTC or XMR (technically XMR has unlimited supply but it will be in the millions for 100+ years so still trillions is about a million per coin in practice).

You only have to believe something has a 1/100000 chance to reach a million USD for it to be worth 10 USD.

This also indicates the silliness of any cryptocurrency that claims to be in the lead on the basis of current market caps (ignoring the liquidity and manipulation factors). That's like being one inch ahead of the starting line in a marathon.

Broke with convention ROFL. Is that code for deceitfully misled people about the launch time so he could get more for himself or what?

I guess you are voting for he doesnt regret it with a comment like that.

For the record icebreaker is not hired by me or anyone I know or know about. That was a baseless and unfair statement.

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