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6801  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin changing my ideology from socialism to libertarianism! What about you? on: October 07, 2014, 11:08:29 AM
see how your ideology rewards you... you are given golden opportunities cheap(early btc adoption) for being a libertarian.. but what would a socialist get?... maybe free food coupons.

Socialism is very rewarding if you are in on the ground floor and have control of the power used to keep the people in line. Then you become a master of people and can get all sorts of perks that you will not allow your followers to have.
6802  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Julian Assange: Bitcoin is Much More Than Just a Currency on: October 07, 2014, 11:05:42 AM
Being a currency is nothing to sneeze at.
6803  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Overstock.com Assembles Coders to Create a Bitcoin-Like Stock Market on: October 07, 2014, 10:29:35 AM
It is a big market and competition will arise. There are many cryptocurrency Stock Markets building up now and later. The customers will choose the best one. 

The problem that remains with cryptocurrency Stock Markets is not the technology, but the trust. If some company frauds at NYSE, u can have a process of litigation, which is not possible for cryptocurrency Stock Markets. Anyone will come, pay the authority, get listed, raise money and vanish into oblivion. Due to global nature of cryptocurrency, U cant track them back.

The article says that Overstock will be working with the SEC...so it is very likely that the process will still be similar, just with improved technology.
6804  Economy / Speculation / Price analysis on: October 07, 2014, 09:29:08 AM
The price should be in the $300-$350 range for the next few months. It will rise on its own...no need to push it up to da moon only to have it come back down again to where we are. Focus on your Bitcoin business, buy if it goes lower than $300 and buy things when it is over $350.

6805  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: Would you rather get paid in bitcoins or fiat? on: October 07, 2014, 07:54:12 AM
I would personally do 100% bitcoin.

I get paid in dollars in the US and live in Germany where I use euros. It is much easier converting bitcoins to euros than dollars.
6806  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you be interested in a Bitcoin Credit Union? on: October 07, 2014, 07:43:01 AM
Both banks and credit unions alike make their money off of loans. This is their primary source of income.

You may have lower costs but would still have costs which would need to be passed along.

One thing that you forgot to include as a cost is the 'cost of funds' as you would need to include the cost of the money that you invest while you are waiting to ROI on your investment, as if you did not invest in the CU then you could have invested it somewhere else and earned a return (potentially)

Credit Unions are member owned, most will charge a membership fee up front of around $25. If we are able to get 500 people who are interested, an up front fee of $100 each would cover the start up costs...the recommended initial users of 3000 would only require a $20 up front fee.

The price given for yearly expenses by the NCUA is around $75,000. Without handling cash or loans this price would likely be lower. Say around $50,000 for simplicity sake.

So we could either get 500 new people per year at $100 each or 2500 people per year at $20 each. Or we charge a small percentage for exchanging from dollars to bitcoins.

With 500 people making the average US salary of around $50,000 per year we could charge .2% per direct deposit to cover costs. With 1000 people we could get the rate down to .1%...quite negligible.

And being member owned, the members get to decide the best route.

And if it had enough support I am sure a few early adopters would be willing to put up the initial $50k to get this set up.
6807  Economy / Speculation / Re: For the bulls on: October 07, 2014, 07:26:42 AM
Don't use new technology...

cuz the environment

6808  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wow the newest bitcoin deterrer on: October 07, 2014, 06:55:17 AM
Ya, this is beyond just spam or phishing. This is extortion. Governments do not tolerate competition in this realm.
6809  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is old 3.5 floppy safer than USB drive for cold storage? on: October 06, 2014, 08:58:23 PM
For transferring, an offline computer with a CD burner is good enough.

For long term storage, engraved metal is the best bet.
6810  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: I was just scammed on: October 06, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
Are you younger than 18?

Dude is only 4 months old give him a break.

Been saving since June...it's his life savings.
6811  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stop using the term "weak hands" on: October 06, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
The last hope is wall street money.

If someone can convince a few pension fund managers to invest in bitcoin, the rest will follow suit.

The last hope for what? Bitcoin works. More investors are just people on the sidelines.
6812  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will bring BTC price back up? on: October 06, 2014, 08:25:58 PM
Pretty much all the big countries (Russia, China, India) are banning or putting a soft ban on bitcoin. Can't see how bitcoin can gain significant market base in the future.

If China bans Bitcoin any more they'll have all of the bitcoins.
6813  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you be interested in a Bitcoin Credit Union? on: October 06, 2014, 02:42:29 PM
Coinbase has expanded to 13 countries in EU, just not Germany yet. Tongue
http://blog.coinbase.com/post/97170793362/coinbase-expands-internationally-now-available-in-14

I see what you are suggesting. The target demo would be people who want to get paid by direct deposit in BTC but without bank accounts. This is a very limited case scenario as most people who have a job also have a bank account. Since the focus of this service is for such a niche client and the profits would be so small if any I don't see how the investment (100k seems cheap, perhaps that germany? ) would make it worthwhile. 

I live in Germany but get paid in the US so I use a US bank account for my CoinBase account.

The $100k was off the top of my head after reading the NCUA site. Here is their break down of a typical credit union:

Estimated Pre-Chartering (Start-Up) Costs

Pre-Chartering Consultant/Organizer Fees: 35,000
Electronic Data Processing Computer Hardware: 2,800
General Ledger/Share and Loan Accounting Software: 4,000
Computer Installation & Training: 1,485
Check Writing Software (Laser): 500
Loan Delinquency Notice Printing Software: 220
Statement Printing Software: 275
Direct Deposit - ACH Software: 1,670
Enhanced General Ledger Software (Fixed Assets,
Prepaid/Deferred Expenses, Accrued Expenses): 250
Credit Bureau Software: 795
Credit Bureau Reporting Software: 330
Total Estimated EDP Computer Costs: 9,905
Furniture & Equipment - Desks, Chairs, File Cabinets,
Security: 4,000
Marketing/Surveying: 1,000

Total Estimated Pre-Chartering Costs: 49,905

Another chart shows -
Total Estimated Annual Operating Expenses: 76,781

These are taken from the NCUA website:
http://www.ncua.gov/Resources/Documents/CUDev/AcrobatDocument6-26-09.pdf

We would actually have lower expenses as we would be focused mainly on Direct Deposit - ACH with no need for loans or holding account balances, etc.
6814  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why are you buying now when people will only hate you when you are rich? on: October 06, 2014, 02:13:30 PM
Paper wealth are just a digit on a database. Early adopters need to cash it out and buy "real" asset to be considered wealthy.

So the government can tax their gains.
6815  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Price of Bitcoin Tumbles | Newyork Times on: October 06, 2014, 02:09:50 PM
Doesn't matter. As soon as the price goes up again, the news will be full of positive coverage and hype again. Greed is what's going to fuel the next bubble, again, and potentially every other bubble that may occur afterwards!

6816  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Responsable disclosure on: October 06, 2014, 02:05:29 PM
I use blockchain.info to get the balance for Bitcoin addresses for my site. I never knew they required some sort of credit. I have problem doing so, just never saw anything like that.
6817  Economy / Speculation / Why are you buying now when people will only hate you when you are rich? on: October 06, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
People are always complaining that those lucky early adopters shouldn't be so rich, they don't think it's fair that they have so many bitcoins.

So now that you are buying bitcoins at such a low price, are you worried about the ridicule you will get when you buy your penthouse apartment with bitcoins and fund your next business venture completely with the bitcoins you are buying right now?

Do you feel guilty?
6818  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 400 European Banks Accept Bitcoin Purchase Agreement on: October 06, 2014, 11:24:02 AM
There are only a limited supply of coin in circulation.

How exactly are they going short sell bitcoin?

Short selling has been available for years. It is available on many sites, BitFinex is the most popular at the moment.

You borrow people's bitcoins and you short them.

You know too well that people do not leave their bitcoins on website, MTgox taught them that lesson. So, where are they getting the coins to let people borrow?
Think about it and you will know.

I have loaned people bitcoins myself to be shorted. It is one of the few ways to get interest on your bitcoins.

And there are a whole lot of people with bitcoins on websites. I have 11 still on BitFinex just because.
6819  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Price of Bitcoin Tumbles | Newyork Times on: October 06, 2014, 11:22:25 AM
One reason for the drop could be uncertainty over potential regulations. In July, New York became the first state to propose regulations for Bitcoin companies. The comment period for the regulations, which were introduced by the Department of Financial Services, is set to end on Oct. 21.

Quite arrogant of them to believe that some New York regulation is the reason for the drop. A 30k bitcoin wall would say differently.
6820  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 400 European Banks Accept Bitcoin Purchase Agreement on: October 06, 2014, 11:19:42 AM
There are only a limited supply of coin in circulation.

How exactly are they going short sell bitcoin?

Short selling has been available for years. It is available on many sites, BitFinex is the most popular at the moment.

You borrow people's bitcoins and you short them.
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