Really, what extra profit you want? Just look at the charts!
Bitcoin was 0.6$ some years ago, then +1000$ some other years ago, 200$, 20000$, 3000$, 50000$.... yes, it goes up and down, but if you look at the big picture the long time holders are in a profit and don't need more.


So you were asking for "short runners" by asking about "early holders". Makes sense.
In 5 years it won't matter if you bought at 39k or 50k, at least the last 10 years history tells that.
If you think that HOLDing means a couple of days, you better learn patience (for years) or find something else to invest in. (Just a piece of advice: 99.99% of crypto hyip are scam).

I didn't say it's encouraged. What I said is that nobody stops them (not yet!) from producing dirty energy. And nobody was banning this or that industry or products (whether from Europe or from China!) because of use of dirty energy. Except Bitcoin. Interesting.
I heard "don't buy iPhone because they use child labor", but no "don't buy iPhone because they use coal-based electricity in production". Why don't all have the same treatment?

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... Please look for the context of what I'm telling, else it'll get odd.

Deleting that post won't help. Also the trust feedback can be changed or removed only by the person who made it.

Sorry, but you've missed this and that on the way.
1. Elon's "concern" is not genuine, he has a hidden agenda, I don't know what's that though.
He knew about all the fossil fuel problems also before buying or accepting bitcoin. And the electricity the Tesla cars use is not necessarily cleaner.

2. Bitcoin is not "politically acceptable" because it poses as a threat to the current financial system. And then "they" will find ways to demonize bitcoin. 5 years ago "it was used only by criminals", now "it uses fossil fuels", in 5 years it will be something else. We know it's noise. We know that this is a way to make the herd focus on fake problems.
Why using coal based electricity is "acceptable" for other industries? Why are electric companies still allowed to produce this kind of electricity also in US or EU?

Go for it. It's a very good mix of security and convenience.
Since you seem to be in a hurry, Trezor and Ledger are the best choices, also keep in mind that Ledger had the store (not the wallet!) hacked and many customers' addresses have leaked onto the internet. And their wallet is not open source. On the other hand I do have Ledger wallet and I'm happy with it.

Also, think how many types of coins you plan to hold. For Bitcoin and few other coins the basic/cheaper wallet is usually fine (at least in case of Ledger). For more you may need one of those with bigger memory.
The best wallets usually support hardware wallet and I recommend you use them (Ledger, MEW, ...) instead of Ledger live, for example.

I want to see bitcoin well over 75k, at least at 100k and I'm confident it will happen at some point in the future.

And I honestly couldn't care less about what's the price of DOGE. If it's small, it was like that before for so long. If it's big, good for those believing in it for so many years. Keep in mind that some dogecoiners are there since before Elon ever heard of crypto.

Actual facts are not that interesting, hence not appealing for media. Actual facts don't get that much traction as sensational news. Unfortunately this is the world we are living in.
Also unless you get some prominent figures (as well known as Elon) helping you with this, it would go ignored by most.


I don't mean to stop anybody from doing this and I don't try to find excuses either. But imho the bitcoiners are too lazy to try this. They'll just HOLD and wait. (Of course, I'd be happy to see I'm wrong.)

Or, newer, global data:


So let's shut down everything: Google, Amazon, maybe the whole internet.


And now for real: why don't everybody target those producing and selling energy that's not green? Are you afraid that you'll get to pay more for it?

This sounds like a call for a hype, kinda as artificial as the FUD. This could jump the price, and if that would happen, the jump will be high and fast. And then what? A new correction will come, some new FUD will rise and people will get tired to hype yet again. But I am not sure that FUD and hype are the solution for everything. Let the world earn about bitcoin at its own pace. Else the price fluctuations can get even more wild than we are (more or less) used with.

If you don't spend those coins, imho you should not hurry with this change.


The only way is to create a SegWit wallet and send your coins there. This means that you will have to pay the miners' fee.
The miners' fee depends on how busy the network is and how big your transaction is (not the amount of money, instead the size in bytes). For example, if you received coins many times to that address, the size of the transaction will be bigger.

So I suggest you watch a website like https://mempool.space/ or https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#0,24h and if you see the mempool almost empty or the fees very low, then it would be the moment for your move.
This way you won't pay much. But again, this is feasible only if you don't intend to spend in the near future, since I don't know when the fees will get very low again, it may be in the next week-end or in months.
Usually the fees are lower in week-ends.


It's usually recommended to keep a backup of the old wallet, just in case. And then it will have the history.
Also if by chance all the transactions are made with only one address from the old wallet, it will be easy to see all the history on any blockchain explorer just by starting (backwards) from the transaction that sends the funds to the new wallet (but not in the wallet).

Well said.

Others also make electric cars. Maybe not that fancy, but Tesla is also not much of a breakthrough. Also them earning more from carbon certificates and, lately, from Bitcoin may rise some interesting questions about what is Tesla actually "producing".

Also, interestingly, everybody links Elon to Tesla and SpaceX and nobody remembers him as PayPal, for example. Or, if my memory serves me good, wasn't he sending SPAM in the early days it was not even widely known under the name of SPAM?

Since people got fed up of all the talk about this guy and have started filtering out the topics about him, it would have been a nice gesture from you to put his name into the title.


He's just another guy who wants to profit. The lemmings who are following him are bigger problem than himself.


As I said, he's not the first.


You actually don't know his goal.


Only if they sell. Actually only if they sell at a loss. And this means that the small investors don't understand that they do. They should have invested money they afford to lose and maybe they should have been waiting for better times to sell.
There will be always those buying in FOMO and selling as soon as the price falls.


No. He's just another guy and you make him even more publicity. For free.
In 50 years he will be history and Bitcoin will be still "present".


Unity is not something you'll see. Everybody does as they think with their money.
Also you are asking the wrong audience. I don't own DOGE for many years now and I expect that most bitcoiners are in the same category. Not mentioning that this move will hurt all dogecoiners, not only this guy.

Here is Bitcoin discussion. And what you need to say here is #HODL and #BTFD, nothing more.

A current pretty good fee is 75-85 sat/vByte, from what I see on https://mempool.space/
I don't know what was the case when you made the transaction.
Maybe you can put your tx ID into blockchair.com and see more, or may be you post here your tx ID so we can see what we find out?

Since what you are trying to do is closer to gambling than to trading, I advise you do this only with tiny amounts of money. Maybe turning to altcoins for start could be a good idea too (because smaller amounts are usually allowed there).
But you have to learn TA. You have to learn to understand the potential behind every news. You have to learn about stop loss. And only afterwards you'll say that you're accumulating experience. Now you don't. That's not learning of something useful.

Sorry if it sounds harsh, but I mean good. I've been in that boat, shortly, many years ago when the things were easier. Now the risk is too big and the competition from bots and more experienced traders is quite big.

I'd say it may worth indeed the golden raspberry for being one of the worse written (or translated?) and one of the most useless shitposts.



Edit: from what I see, OP history is full of this kind of ... "poetry".

No. If one has the time and the skills, working for crypto is a great way forward whether it's a bear or bull market. In case of bear market you may earn more coins for the same job, depending on how your income is calculated.

The only thing is... I would not want to get paid 100% in crypto, not yet. 30% or 50% yes, but not 100%. Crypto payments are not widely accepted and unfortunately fiat is still necessary, especially if your family also relies on your income.

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Thank you!

Probabil. Aparatul de stat in general are oameni insuficienti, uneori si foarte slab pregatiti, iar birocratia si reguli stupide ii impiedica uneori si pe cei competenti sa faca treaba.
Rezultatul este ca atunci cand au ocazia pozeaza in bau-bau mare si urat ca sa ii sperie pe toti potentialii raufacatori. Ca apar victime colaterale, ca acestea sunt raufacatori sau nu... pentru stat acestea sunt amanunte nesemnificative.

Eu cred ca toate astea pleaca de la modelele curente de guvernamant bazate pe politica si nu pe aptitudini.


Victimele colaterale sunt considerate exceptii. Iar legea este.. regula. Adica multimi diferite, din pacate.


Inca nu. Dar se va face.


Informatia vine cu o anumita responsabilitate. E clar ca de exemplu codurile de la rachete nu pot fi informatie publica si cine o detine trebuie sa-si tina gura. Problema nu e acolo.
Problema este ca incompetenta este ascunsa sub "informatii clasificate", acoperite politic, iar cei care descopera asta si zic mai departe sunt tratati de zici ca ar fi zis codurile de la rachete.

Politica curenta este de tip mafiot. Daca intelegi asta, intelegi si tot ce decurge din asta.

Nici eu nu tin bine minte datele, nu-i bai, se intampla. Dar in general ma uit pe graficele de pret sau pe alte stiri legate de subiect ca sa fiu cat de cat OK.
Adica explozia anterioara de pret la Bitcoin a fost in 2017.

Pe de alta parte, ca primul bloc de Bitcoin a fost minat in ianuarie 2009.. na, e data "istorica" si o tin minte ca atare 

Salut si bine ai venit!


Timpul nu este pierdut, doar sa fii un pic atent.
Si daca macar ai citit ici-colo din 2017 pana acum, ar trebui sa ai tot ce-ti trebuie.


As fi mai atent cu data pe care ai scris-o. Ca se pare ca ai minat dinainte sa existe Bitcoin. Si asta va deschide calea spre a fi luat la misto.