As much as we hate them, they are really here to stay and stay for good. We already suspected they have their hands on this sudden fall and this roller coaster ride since the beginning of the month.

And we know its fraudulent but no authority can stop them because its a free market. The best thing to do is to ride with them, buying and accumulating bitcoin at dips and selling it at top price to take profits and then re-buy.

If you can't beat them, join them

But as far as identifying who's who behind our backs manipulatng, is another question.

I'm not sure that those guys are selling because we all know that addresses doesn't have names. If you know their address then you can track it yourself and check whether they are selling or not.

However, I presumed that they wouldn't because they doesn't really need millions or dollars because they are already millionaires. I mean, its doesn't make sense because they know that bitcoin can potential grow, they even petition to the SEC to have a second review on Bitcoin's ETF right? So for me, they are not selling at this point.

What those guys thinks? Everything that is connected to the Internet is being monitored by the Russia government. So they were caught red handed with their pants down.


So that begs me to question, why the hell did they do that? Are they really scientist or engineers that they think they can get away without anyone noticing it? It make 0 sense to me. I guess they are not getting paid well by the government that they needed a sideline to make money out of cryptos'.

The US Senate Hearing turns out to be a very positive for the market as we have recovered to $8K already. I guess I'm late to advise you but I hope you didn't dump your coins and continue to hodl as of this very moment.

We have been in a very tumultuous months following the big spike at $19K. We have lost so much around 60% already that why we have that feeling that you would rather sell everything instead of losing all.

I hope that this will be a lessons for you, never ever panic and just continue to hodl because it will be just a matter of time before we can all bounce back from this crisis.

Who's really the culprit? Engineers or Scientist?

If want initially reported  that those found are Scientist? That's why I can't really seems to find what's the logic behind them mining bitcoin? Are they not well paid by the Russian Government?

And now Engineers? Again, it begs that question are they greedy or just wanting to earn more because they are not getting paid by Government?

Regardless, this is not the proper way to conduct because you are in a safe facility and you are trusted and according to the news they are caught red handed. What do you expect the government should do to them?

I would love to see $20K, unfortunately, it will be a surmountable to even break the $10K barrier right now. There's still some skeptics. There's a lot of speculation going around that after the Chinese New Year, it will be another boom for us. Let's see how it gets though, but again, I would be so obsesses with the price. As long as there are money flowing, I will be good with that.


Don't spoke too soon, they might just taking their sweet time and I'm sure that they will create another FUD when bitcoin is enjoying a sudden spike in price. With that said, we need to be remain cautious and to take everything with a grain of salt. Used our better judgement and common sense. And please don't panic sell.  

Again, we should not be obsessed about $20K anymore because it looks like the market is the true price of bitcoin and not overblown specially during the December peak. Those who have bought at the peak price rally got burned along the way that's why we are going to have a hard time reaching it again.

Long term though its really possible. Maybe in the 2nd quarter of this year. But this month or the next month will be another trying times for us. We even can't sustained the rally of today, bitcoin is down after several days of getting green.

I would love to see it touches $20K, but I will not be that pre-occupied with that thoughts. Just to get to $10K will be good in my portfolio.

Out of curiosity, I wanted to know who Satoshi is.

But other than that, I'm fine whether he is dead or where he is right now. We just all celebrate his inventions. He keeps himself anonymous just like his bitcoin so I guess if he is alive now he won't be surfacing.

I also think that Satoshi, is not just one person, but a group of individual who contributed to this new technology. But please refrain from believing those person/s who claim to be Satoshi himself, They are just doing it for the sake of publicity.

As far as my guess, I really thought that as a individual, Hal Finney was a likely candidate, unfortunately, Hal did past away and I still consider him one of the contributor to this revolution that we all have been a part of. He/They are all Legends, AFAIK.

Yes, I also thought that the increase which is not that dramatic to begin with was sustainable at least to the $9K barrier. However, when I check the price today, its looks like we are in a read again.

I'm not that technical anyways, but I love reading those analysis from our members here and I love to see people sharing their analysis as to where and when the price is gong to move.

As for me, I wanted to see the $9K barrier to be broken and maybe, just maybe we can all say that we are out of the woods and breathe a sigh of relief.

But if the market goes down, no worry here, perfect buying opportunity and we can all stack up our wallets once again for a good long term hodl.

Ehem. I thought that Lithuania is confiscating the ATM because of some suspicious. I think this is a good news. The authorities just wanted to set up everything and make it 'legal' in a sense to operate the ATM. Probably some business permit or something. Nothing to worry here. No crackdowns as of yet in the country.


My thoughts exactly. Like I said, probably some formally like documentations for tax purposes, business permit to operated. Yes the country is on the neutral grounds as far as crypto and I hope that they will stay that way.

Dude you forgot to put the title. 

OK. I did some research and I found this site.

https://h.cash/

Is that the coins that you are referring to?

I'm making some few digs in the forum:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2097413.0

Looks like this is not a new coin as I suspected,

PoS Mining Function on January 31. So I think its now possible to mined this coin.

https://coindar.org/en/event/hshare-hsr-pos-mining-function-2352

I guess OP you need to dig more if you are really interested on mining hcash. Looks like there's potential in this coin. My research only took me 5-10 minutes. Goodluck to you dude.

Because the tulip mania was the first ever bubble in the history. And it became the benchmark for everything the economist think of a rapid increase in price followed by a crash downward trend. The uptrend is driven by speculation and irrational behavior of the market. Just like what happen to dotcom bubble back in the last 90's to early 00's.

But you have to think that there are some serious flaws in the argument. Bitcoin has limited supply as compare to the Tulip mania back then, when everyone can literally have harvest their own tulip in their backyard. That's how the bubble burst because the supply is unlimited as compare to bitcoin which has only 21 millions coins.

Technically, its possible that 0 price can be attained. However, I don't think that we are going to see that price because of law of supply and demand. Bitcoin because so limited has its perked. The price can grow overtime because more and more people are going to demand, but with less supply the price could literally skyrocketed as the supply is getting smaller.


Yes, bitcoin and other crypto has gained the trust and confidence of the community, which means that it has hard core fan based, who are going to buy it because they speculate that it will grow overtime. So I really don't think that bitcoin will go to 0.

Don't fall for this trap, confident that they can get back your bitcoin? How? What process?

You know that bitcoin address has no name right? If the one who stole your bitcoin used a mixing services then I doubt that you can recover it. Although there is blockchain analysis, criminals is one step further, they are not that dumb to just expose themselves in plain sight.

So I advice you to not pay them upfront and do their thing and just tell them to include it to the 10% fee. I'm not sure though if they are trusted on the first place.

How much did you lost though?

As I have said in the previous thread, government may have a hand on the current situations, regulations or FUD. But I don't think that they really wanted to create panic to buy it, and those attacks will only be short lived. Of course at this time the best thing to do is really just Hold and not Sell.

We don't need to fight government, we are going to survived from all of turbulence. As much as they want to control it, they can't because we all know that crypto is decentralized in nature. And crypto is here to stay for good, whether they like it or not.

I think its pretty obvious that this tactics was made famous by Jamie Dimon himself, he continues to attack bitcoin when there was so much FUD coming from China, but from behind they bought tons of bitcoin and sold them with the price recovered. But we all know that they can't really defeat crypto. The more negative things they say against it, the more people becomes curious and bought it.

But I don't think that they can buy everything here. One way or another there's some equal distribution of bitcoins and crypto's globally. So maybe they have investing on it secretly but I doubt that they want it everything for themselves.

I think it really did have a positive impact about the price because after the US hearing, the price suddenly jumps and its fluctuating between $8K-$87xx. Of course everyone's eye is on the US and after the hearing, it looks like this could be a major influence on a global scale. They didn't think the crypto is so disruptive hence their stance.  They expresses optimism about blockchain. At least we heard someone who's authority cannot be underpinned such as Clayton and Giancarlo.

This is the kind of positive news that we need to hear. We have been trap in this winter crypto which I felt been longer as expected. I do hope that we are going to bounce back again and see bitcoin flourished once again.

Bitcoin is back for the time being. Actually all coins are green and it has something to do with the Senate Hearing on Bitcoin which turns to be positive on our side. So for now we step aside the idea that bitcoin can go under $5K. We have already build momentum for the outcome of the Senate Hearing. Whales are definitely swimming again, so we need to ride with them.

But for all intent that if ever the price goes below $6K, it will be really time to stack up and bring loads of bitcoin. We all love to store more bitcoins in our wallet and just hold on it for as long as we can.

Its over, dead, dying.... Some of the words we always hear when bitcoin's price is nose diving. Such pity that they don't understand that bitcoin has been down multiple times throughout its short history, but able to bounce back with vengeance. If you think that its gonna be over, think again. Because the price is going back up so how can you say conclude that we are all doom?


I guess you wanted bitcoin to recover slowly. Yes, I understand that and I also wanted to see that way. We don't want to see another mad rush similar to what we witness last December. It peaked at almost $20K but what follows is a nightmare to all of us. We wanted a steady growth and not a bubble per se.