Chiaro, infatti avevo scritto: Certamente, ma appunto dicevo che questo tipo di servizio non è il piu' indicato, diciamo xD, per iniziare. E' una cosa che richiede enorme fiducia quindi puo' farlo al massimo qualche hero member con una grossa trade history (e anche in quel caso non sarebbe facile fidarsi).
Proprio perchè ci sarebbero delle riserve anche nei confronti di un hero member per una cosa del genere senza collateral, mi stupivo che pensasse di farlo un nuovo utente. |
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Sì ma.... il problema è che tu non sei una banca, sei un nuovo utente con 14 activity. Non riusciamo a "farti capire" questo xD Non è che ci devi spiegare come funziona il sistema o quali sono i vantaggi, è che devi fornire qualche garanzia avendo zero reputazione per poter pensare di avere un minimo di chance che qualcuno si faccia avanti.
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In realtà no perchè appunto come hai detto anche tu altri fattori incidono molto di piu' dell'inflazione dovuta al mining. Ma molto molto.
Quindi non sono d'accordo su quel "dovrei avere almeno un 10% roi per garantire": intanto perchè non c'è niente di garantito in questo tipo di investimento ovviamente, poi perche' appunto il potenziale roi, se arriva, arriva da altre fonti e rende trascurabile quel 10%.
In altre parole hai gia' sufficiente guadagno (e rischio) con bitcoin che non serve l'hedging contro l'inflazione.
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Un po' prestino per offrire un servizio del genere qui, dovresti prima farti una grossa (ma proprio grossa) reputazione. Nemmeno un escrow potrebbe garantire per una cosa del genere.
Ti ringrazio per le tue considerazioni. Sono assolutamente d'accordo con te ma da qualche parte bisogna iniziare. Ritengo che questo sia il miglior posto per testare delle idee visto che sto trattando con persone che capiscono perfettamente i rischi e l'operatività. Certamente, ma appunto dicevo che questo tipo di servizio non è il piu' indicato, diciamo xD, per iniziare. E' una cosa che richiede enorme fiducia quindi puo' farlo al massimo qualche hero member con una grossa trade history (e anche in quel caso non sarebbe facile fidarsi). |
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Un po' prestino per offrire un servizio del genere qui, dovresti prima farti una grossa (ma proprio grossa) reputazione. Nemmeno un escrow potrebbe garantire per una cosa del genere.
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Buying again, for € direct funds (if you want $ paypal conversion fees are on you).
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500$/1 btc conversion flat rate. You can just deposit and withdraw and make some 15% profit instantly.... yeah.... right ^^'
[EDIT] nvm, realized they are only withdrawable as btc at the same rate.
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Yes: much wider markets and for much much lower roi.
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You are referring to total traded volume which has NOTHING to do with the amount needed to close arbitrage gaps, which is WAY smaller. And btc arbitrage isn't the only actor taking advantage of said, already narrow, windows (if they are doing that kind of business at all, that is xD, which I doubt).
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I saw the "btc-e/bitstamp" argument coming  First of all your figures are incorrect: you have to consider orderbook depth too. If you are going to buy any significant amount on btc-e you are looking for 433+ $ prices (probably higher) (429 is the current BID price: you cannot place bids and wait with these kind of volumes). Bitstamp bid is currently 444$. The usable spread is around 2.5%, subtract the fees and it's 2%. Then there are the banking fees to deposid/withdraw usd which are usually around 1% each way (sometimes more). The arbitrage profit is zero or barely anything OR OTHERWISE EVERYONE WILL BE DOING BTC-E/BITSTAMP arbitrage all day long and the prices will be the same. Again, simple logic is your friend. Sometimes the spread is higher and there is a little arbitrage opportunity window (usually when one of the two exchanges flash crashes), but it doesn't last long, obviously. Wanted to update the previous thread with a few additional pieces of info, hope u don't mind. Please do not list argument only to support your claims. We all know very well prices on BTCe are lower cause they require almost no verification of any kind as opposed to Bitstamp which is quite detailed on this. As a result, black market BTCs re being dumped on BTCe constantly thus lowering the price and this is hole not easy to close. In addition, there are bunch of other exchanges which contribute to the market dept. In addition, BTC arbitrage is not only BTC to fiat. I personally do alts to alts arbitrage every day and most of days I end up making around 1%. U want another example, my last trade was Darkcoin, yesterday, the price difference between exchanges was well over 1%. Also, bunch of people use trading bots and some of them are quite profitable. All I am saying is that this might be possible, I have done it personally, not every day, but I have neither time not skill to do this full time. Yes, but as I said, arbitrage opportunities are SMALL, you can do 1% with few usd before the gaps close but you cannot do that with $ 1 mil. You don't want to use other's money, you want to use yours. And competition is already steep cause of bots, as you noticed too. That's the entire point. |
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I saw the "btc-e/bitstamp" argument coming First of all your figures are incorrect: you have to consider orderbook depth too. If you are going to buy any significant amount on btc-e you are looking for 433+ $ prices (probably higher) (429 is the current BID price: you cannot place bids and wait with these kind of volumes). Bitstamp bid is currently 444$. The usable spread is around 2.5%, subtract the fees and it's 2%. Then there are the banking fees to deposit/withdraw usd which are usually around 1% each way (sometimes more). The arbitrage profit is zero or barely anything OR OTHERWISE EVERYONE WILL BE DOING BTC-E/BITSTAMP arbitrage all day long and the prices will be the same. Again, simple logic is your friend. Sometimes the spread is higher and there is a little arbitrage opportunity window (usually when one of the two exchanges flash crashes), but it doesn't last long, obviously. |
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"There is no proof" and bla bla bla.
Simple logic: arbitrage opportunities tend to close very quickly because buying on the cheap exchange and selling on the expensive one eventually drops the expensive one prices to cheap one levels.
So if you are profiting with that technique you DON'T WANT to use other's money, you wan't to exploit the windows yourself as much as possible before they close (and profits are much lower than 1% daily anyway).
It's an obvious hyip/ponzi and it's ok to try to gamble it a bit, but should be in the gambling section.
Also pls stop notifing us of succesfull withdrawals since it proves nothing: ofc they are allowing withdrawals as much as possible or the ponzi will crash immediately.
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Pero' scusa una cosa: ti han mandato i bitcoin su un wallet blockchain di cui LORO avevano la password? E non ti è sembrato minimamente strano ^^'?
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Se hai usato carte di credito probabilmente puoi chiedere il chargeback alla banca emittente. Tentare non nuoce.
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[EDIT] nvm, synced after quite a while.
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Occhio che non ci sia qualche virus in quella ricevuta xD
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