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701  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: April 27, 2015, 04:56:04 PM
I'm buying things second-hand mostly. This helps a lot Smiley.
I could prepare my own food and bring it at my job but I'm too lazy for that  Tongue.
I think the best step is : work remotely (digital nomad) and go live in a cheap country. In Europe it's Portugal, Lithuania etc...
SE Asia is good as well. Cambodia is providing unlimited resident visa for ~300$ a year for example and you can live there quite cheap.
That's a thing I want to experience but now I'm a young wage slave in Tokyo with an emergency fund of 500 000 yens.

Yes buying second things is helping you for your living cost, but how about if someone is being born not in a lets say a middle country or may be low. How are you going to suggest him with this condition?

another way to save money, is buying only needed things, like food, personal hygiene stuff, and nothing else

for your children you can buy un-expensive thing that don't rely on their brand, so avoid something like nike, but buy the same item under a cheap brand


Yes its true that you done need a branded things and buy them a cheap brand or may be you can buy them not even a brand but I mean how about if their money just enough him or her to sufficient his own things? How are they going to safe some of their money?

I've actually taken a different approach in the past couple years.  Now I buy higher quality products that will last a long time.  The price is more expensive, however it lasts several times longer.

For example, I got a pair leather boots on sale last year for $300.  They're hand made from high quality leather.  With proper care, these should last me between 10-15 years.  A pair of $80 boots would probably last 2-3 years, and over time the cheaper boots would cost more due to the need to repurchase several times.

This is just an example.  I know boots aren't even necessary in more tropical places, but for doing a lot of walking during a Canadian winter, they're necessary.
702  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: April 27, 2015, 04:21:21 AM
To surely that you have a saving every month is Savings-Income=Expenses. This formula will help you to determine what are you going to do. This is the easy way to know how much your savings and your expenses. Try this it would help you.

I think you meant Income - Savings = Expenses Wink

And since you control income and expenses, maybe an easier way to look at it is Income - Expenses = Savings.  But I'm not sure if this basic formula will help someone that is struggling to save.
703  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is an imaginary concept, but humanity is enslaved by it on: April 27, 2015, 01:58:02 AM

Ah okay no worries.

My cash back is paid once a year, and takes into account net purchases (total purchases - total returns/refunds) when calculating the amount.  Some other added benefits are extended warranty, emergency auto assistance, and other types of insurance that most people don't use.

Yeah VAT or any consumption tax sucks, but I'd take a consumption tax over an income tax any day.  At least consumption tax is based on a purchase that an individual is willing to make (although basic needs purchases are always necessary).  There's not much you can do about income tax.

I`d rather have no tax at all, or better yet no government, but to be realistic in a tyrranycal world we live in today, the VAT tax would only make sense if all other taxes would be eliminated.

You see VAT tax is atleast an enviromentally friendly one (to slow down the rabbid consumption based economy), but then again we got fiat printed money, and loan based economy to boost consumerism, so it's really nonsense, on 1 hand you halt comsumption by taxing it, on the other hand you give out loans from counterfeited money to boost consumerism. What a joke this government is.  Cheesy

You're not going to get a disagreement from me on not having tax, but that world is far from the socialist one we live in.  There are some things that I don't mind contributing to, like infrastructure, transportation systems, renewable energy, etc (all of that can also be done privately).  These are things that directly or indirectly benefit pretty much everyone, and making it more efficient would help everyone.  However a lot of the other bullshit responsibilities seem to fall under the government umbrella that I don't care for, and which are extremely expensive.
704  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is an imaginary concept, but humanity is enslaved by it on: April 26, 2015, 07:08:28 PM

Weird man.  What country are you in?

Here, not only is there no commission to pay for the cardholder, there are rewards programs for using it, including cash back.  So a lot of people including myself, use the credit card for almost every purchase, then pay off the balance, and receive the cash back without having any fees.

It does suck for the vendor, as they pay ~3% commission, but there usually isn't a difference in price based on method of payment, so credit card it is.

Debt spending is also largely encouraged here.  For those that don't pay the balance, it's like 18%+ interest charged.

I`d like to keep that private, but I live inside the European Maffia Union, so just a hint for you what it's life inside it.

Yes there are some promos where you get some cashback here too, but I opted those out because it's more like a scam,I knew a guy who get a cashback after purchasing from a physical store and now it's facing a civil lawsuit from the bank on some bogus "no refund policy"  because he later returned the product, but the cahsback cant be returned, yet the store had no problem with returning of the item (i think it was a lamp) , however since he purchased with the card it got an issue with his bank (even though the cashback should be a gift, looks like banks dont give out free money after all ,only scam you).

Not to talk about the governments VAT tax scam, just to keep prices high artificially, its disgusting.

Ah okay no worries.

My cash back is paid once a year, and takes into account net purchases (total purchases - total returns/refunds) when calculating the amount.  Some other added benefits are extended warranty, emergency auto assistance, and other types of insurance that most people don't use.

Yeah VAT or any consumption tax sucks, but I'd take a consumption tax over an income tax any day.  At least consumption tax is based on a purchase that an individual is willing to make (although basic needs purchases are always necessary).  There's not much you can do about income tax.
705  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is an imaginary concept, but humanity is enslaved by it on: April 26, 2015, 04:36:44 PM
I pay 6-7%  comission on everything I buy, that is 3-4% to Mastercard, 2% to the bank and another 1% sometimes the merchant to validate the transaction, so sometimes it can be even 10% (+ 25% VAT of course as the government likes to steal too).

1)  You, as the cardholder, pay Mastercard a commission when you make a purchase?

2)   Is that normal in your country?

3) In North America, I haven't heard of a credit card that charges the cardholder unless they have a running balance - but that is an interest charge rather than a commission.  The vendor pays the commission here.

1) Yes, they are thieves, I also had a Visa Card a few years ago, and it was the same, so its the same there too

2) I guess so, nobody complained so far, I must be pretty enlightened to realize what a global scam this is?

3) I`m using debit card not credit card (not really buying into the global credit ponzi scheme), but whatever, its still a fucking ripoff.

Not to mention 25% VAT from the government, I love those thieves too.

Weird man.  What country are you in?

Here, not only is there no commission to pay for the cardholder, there are rewards programs for using it, including cash back.  So a lot of people including myself, use the credit card for almost every purchase, then pay off the balance, and receive the cash back without having any fees.

It does suck for the vendor, as they pay ~3% commission, but there usually isn't a difference in price based on method of payment, so credit card it is.

Debt spending is also largely encouraged here.  For those that don't pay the balance, it's like 18%+ interest charged.
706  Other / Off-topic / Re: Just want to vent. on: April 26, 2015, 04:30:21 PM
Dude I had one time where I started my session with a losing streak that got me right to zero, but normally there are a series of winning bets that make you feel confident that you'll beat the odds lol.

You must have had a small bankroll or were betting too big. IF you start off small you'll manage lots of wins... until you don't that it is hehe.

Yeah pretty small bankroll of 100,000 satoshi and starting bet was 1000 satoshi which is relatively high...7 bets to lose it all.

The point is the probability of hitting the losing streak is low, but it's possible for the streak to be the very first series of bets.
707  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is an imaginary concept, but humanity is enslaved by it on: April 26, 2015, 03:20:41 PM
I pay 6-7%  comission on everything I buy, that is 3-4% to Mastercard, 2% to the bank and another 1% sometimes the merchant to validate the transaction, so sometimes it can be even 10% (+ 25% VAT of course as the government likes to steal too).

You, as the cardholder, pay Mastercard a commission when you make a purchase?

Is that normal in your country?

In North America, I haven't heard of a credit card that charges the cardholder unless they have a running balance - but that is an interest charge rather than a commission.  The vendor pays the commission here.
708  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: April 26, 2015, 02:29:46 AM
Yes its true time is money but if you just stay like that and save every penny you got, it doesnt make you really rich, I didnt say that it is not worth but that kind of things just let you live your normal live. All of us want to change our life thats why we are trying the best of investment in this bitcoin to get a better life

Time is only money for those that can generate income from their time.  Time is not money to an unemployed person Wink

I think there is a range of different reasons that people here are interested in bitcoin.  For me, it's not really much of an investment to get a better life.  I just want to learn about the technology and how it works.
709  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is an imaginary concept, but humanity is enslaved by it on: April 26, 2015, 12:22:22 AM
Have you ever shopped online?

-An average online card based shopping has a 4-8% comission on it by start, with bitcoin its about 2-3 cents (0.0001-0.0002 BTC)
-An average online card based shopping takes 2-4 days, bitcoin takes 10 minutes
-Wire transfer shopping is even worse, up to 5% comission +25€, so if you want to buy a 0.5€ pencil online, you pay like 30€ for it.
-Card based shopping is full with frauds, and if you have like 2000€ on your bank account, the thief can easily rob it, and then it will take you 6-12 months of police and other legal procedures to recover the money (if it can be recovered).
-With bitcoin you can just put 0.5BTC on your "shopping address" and keep your other 100 BTC on a safe cold storage wallet, so even if somebody steals your wallet he gets away with less (more diversification & risk control with bitcoin)
-Bitcoin is available for minors too, in some countries 16 year old is already eligible for work, yet he cannot have his own bank account without parent agreement which is nonsense. If a 16 year old guy works online to get some extra cash in bitcoin, and he spends it wherever he wants, thats his money and the government should not restrict that at all.
-Banks are not the safest place to store money (see Cyprus govenrment confiscation, Pension looting and other governmental thefts that occur nowadays), your bitcoins on the otherhands are invulnerable to government theft.
-Bitcoin doesnt have global restrictions, open to P2P trading, I can sell p2p anything, otherwise if i would have bought it from a central store you need to pay VAT tax on it, p2p trading is not taxed, yet, and it's more efficient.
-Bitcoin doesn't discriminate racially or politically or religiously between users (see EU and USA embargoes on "enemy" countries)
-Bitcoin is free market trading, its monetary freedom, and capped supply, while fiat money is an inflated toilet paper money.
 and many more...

An average guy can easily understand this, dont need a 160 IQ to understand that the governmental-monetary system is highly flawed.

Yes, we all know these.

You obviously don't shop online, since that guy is spreading blatant disinformation (mildly speaking). I buy things online a few times a month, so I know what I'm talking about. My last online purchase was just two hours ago, and I paid with my bank card (MasterCard Platinum, which is free if I keep a deposit of around 1,000$ in the bank). The payment was literally instant (as always), I didn't have to wait at all (and this is the same for Visas and MasterCards which I have). I paid 0% commission, and I will even get 1% cash-back, which I am paid every month for my purchases by the bank. Regarding stealing money from a bank card, this is hardly possible since I set daily limits, and every transaction online should be confirmed by a code sent to my phone by my bank. By the way, wire transfer is also free of charge for me (but this depends on a bank, of course)...

Just don't believe every word that you hear here

What you said makes sense.  I am assuming that the commission originally referenced would be for the seller of goods/services, and not the buyer.  Most credit cards around here also provide protection against theft.  So even if the card was stolen and used, the credit card company/bank would be liable and not the cardholder.  It's this way in Canada at least.
710  Economy / Economics / Re: Government & Bitcoin on: April 25, 2015, 10:38:58 PM
in my opinion government slowly will welcome for bitcoin as one of their economy base.

Why do you think that?

The government is currently addicted to monetary expansion/money printing/debt creation.  Bitcoin doesn't allow for any monetary expansion at all, so why would the government welcome something that will end the game that they play today?

The government has the option to stop printing money right now, and can't seem to take that option willingly.
711  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: April 25, 2015, 06:12:52 AM
Compound interest is the magic. Here is well explained what compound interest can accomplish for you: http://www.daveramsey.com/blog/how-teens-can-become-millionaires/

The thing is that people tend to live on today never worrying about future.
One could easily retire at age of 50 with a million bucks but nobody wants to do this.

There are a couple factors that usually get in the way of the compound interest example in the link you provided.

1) It assumes a 12% annual rate of return - You need to take some risk to get that type of return, likely from equities (stock market), and most people are not able to get attain 12% every year.  Most people can't even beat the market, and the average market rate of growth is 7%.

2) It assumes that you won't use the money until the age of 65 - Most people will want to use at least part of that money to enjoy life while they're still relatively functional in their early years.  Few people are willing to live in the shit part of the neighbourhood, AND have a million dollar retirement savings account that they're not touching Wink

A more realistic example would be compounding interest with a 1.5-2% "high interest" savings account or GIC.  It likely doesn't even beat inflation.
712  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mining solving equations, what it actually is? on: April 24, 2015, 02:17:35 PM
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SHA256(SHA256(H, N)) < T, where H is the header, N is the solution (included as part of the header), and T is the target.
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So when you write SHA256(H, N), is that a function of the two variables, H and N?

I suppose you could describe it that way.  More specifically:

SHA256 is the 256 bit SHA-2 hash of the block header.  You can read all about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2

H is the block header (without the nonce solution)
N is the nonce solution that the miner is searching for.  It is actually part of H.

You can read about the block header here:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#Block_Headers

You see there that the header contains the nonce stored in the 77th through 80th bytes.

The miner builds the block header.  Then hashes the header using the SHA256 algorithm.

If the result is less than the current target (described as 'T' by odolvlobo), then the miner is done and has successfully "solved" the block.

If the result is NOT less than the current target, then the miner increments the nonce value and tries again.

The miner repeats this process until either:

  • They find a nonce that results in a SHA256 hash that is less than the target
  • They have tried ALL 4,294,967,296 possible nonce values and none of them resulted in a SHA256 hash that is less than the target

If they have tried all the possible nonce values and nonce of them work, then they build a new (different) block header, and try again.



Thanks for the clarification.  I'll do some reading on the links you shared, but it's making a lot more sense Smiley
713  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: April 24, 2015, 01:23:30 AM
I know some people who just go out and spend a ton of money for the heck of it... It seems like women in particular do this with getting tons of clothes etc, though I know of a couple men who buy new cars every year just for the heck of it. If this kind of needless spending was avoided, maybe they wouldn't constantly have debt to worry about. If people focused on making things (writing, playing music, building, drawing, programming) for fun instead of consuming things (eating out, buying tons of junk, going to movies) then they would probably be a lot better off.

All the things I spend a lot of money on are things that are good for making stuff and that last (relatively) a long time. I think the most useful thing overall is a good computer. Doing business, writing, listening to and creating music, gaming, getting entertainment media for "free," communicating, and surfing the web... it has a great many purposes and a good one can be had for less than $1000 today.

As a musician I get some musical instruments which are fairly expensive, but a $500 guitar lets me learn more music, create my own music, entertain myself and develop new neural connections whereas a $500 TV station lets you entertain yourself and not much more. Even a TV station is way better than $500 worth of clothes that will get used once for vanity purposes etc. People just don't think before they buy.

Great points on lifestyle.  These are really difficult changes for people to implement in their own lives, unless they have a particular interest.  What some people enjoy is boring for others.

One of the things that I want to learn is how to play guitar Smiley

Yeah, being extremely interested in creating, and loving music in general is a double-edged sword. You're way more interested in it than just about anything else (especially working to make money) and life in general is just about getting you to what you want to do creatively. It's not like a TV addiction either... you don't really fell fulfillment/self-actualization from watching TV, just lazy satisfaction. With TV you can say you want to get up and do something useful with your life. With a music composition/performance/learning addiction you are doing something that (to you) is incredibly "useful" and fulfilling. You don't have the guilt of wasting your life in front of TV or games to motivate you to do something "productive" (read working for money).

I hear ya bud.  It's just about being passionate, and that passion can manifest in music, or some other type of art, sport, cuisine, etc.  The passion allows you to invest a lot of time, in an enjoyable way, to become masterful.  The tough part is incorporating that into your career and making a living doing it.  People that are able to find and continue to engage with their passion are a different breed.  They're much happier, and age much better than those that are making good money, but are miserable doing it.

Corporate work has enabled me to live without hardcore financial restrictions, but god damn it is unfulfilling.  I had quit a couple years ago to travel, and I'm getting that same feeling again.
714  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: April 23, 2015, 09:04:24 PM

If you could go back and choose another type of education, would you change it given what you said above?

If I could do it over, I'd either go into neuroscience, engineering or technology (science/physics background).  Business is a pretty bullshit subject to study in university as you mentioned, it's easy to learn online through research. 

If i could do it over, i would not have gone to university, i would have even quit school.

I would just waited until 2009 and saved money until then (probably asked some money from parents and would went to a low paying job), then buy bitcoin back in 2009 and now be filthy rich.

You always need your degree for the first thing to do in your life altough you said that you do a full time job for a bitcoin but the price is so volatile and are you going to sacrifice all things just to wait this bitcoing going high? Let say that you are rich for that time, are you gonna live only for that moment?

No i would have bought myself the things i`ve needed, then extracted a few more millions and put those in some safe investments in case bitcoin would be gone (i could not know the future in 2013). And i would have kept like 10-15 million $ in bitcoin just to see what happens with it.

I`m sure most of the bitcoin millionaires did the same, nobody just let all their earnings in bitcoin, and nobody converted them all back into fiat. All of them have hybrid portfolios by now.

Okay let me rephrase the question.  What would you do without insight into the future?  So assuming that you don't know which direction the markets and certain assets are going to go, to exploit for financial returns.
715  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: April 23, 2015, 09:01:53 PM
I know some people who just go out and spend a ton of money for the heck of it... It seems like women in particular do this with getting tons of clothes etc, though I know of a couple men who buy new cars every year just for the heck of it. If this kind of needless spending was avoided, maybe they wouldn't constantly have debt to worry about. If people focused on making things (writing, playing music, building, drawing, programming) for fun instead of consuming things (eating out, buying tons of junk, going to movies) then they would probably be a lot better off.

All the things I spend a lot of money on are things that are good for making stuff and that last (relatively) a long time. I think the most useful thing overall is a good computer. Doing business, writing, listening to and creating music, gaming, getting entertainment media for "free," communicating, and surfing the web... it has a great many purposes and a good one can be had for less than $1000 today.

As a musician I get some musical instruments which are fairly expensive, but a $500 guitar lets me learn more music, create my own music, entertain myself and develop new neural connections whereas a $500 TV station lets you entertain yourself and not much more. Even a TV station is way better than $500 worth of clothes that will get used once for vanity purposes etc. People just don't think before they buy.

Great points on lifestyle.  These are really difficult changes for people to implement in their own lives, unless they have a particular interest.  What some people enjoy is boring for others.

One of the things that I want to learn is how to play guitar Smiley
716  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is an imaginary concept, but humanity is enslaved by it on: April 23, 2015, 12:12:02 AM

Well the main challenge really is increasing the awareness of humans, but there are so many forces that benefit from having an ignorant population.  We have a bullshit education system that maintains that ignorance, where the values and grading system are almost upside down.  Look at a group of ultra successful people - it's interesting to see how many dropped out of school, likely because they didn't see value in it.  Even look at kids with ADHD.  They are usually totally obsessed with a few things in life, which are not mainstream, and that obsession allows them to be amazing at it.  Instead of seeing that talent, we start drugging them out at the age of 7 on ritalin and adderal because they don't give a shit about what their grade 2 teacher is writing on the blackboard??  That kid is the aware one.  Internet is helping a lot, as localized ignorance is being shed with exposure to other parts of the world that couldn't be accessed before.

Yea i agree, mental ilness, for the most part is a made up bullshit. We label them mentally ill just because they have a different world perspective. I mean an ant or an owl has a different world perspective but we dont lock them up in a white room...

Now of course there are dangerous psychotic people, but those are a minority, but these autistic people I dont think they are ill, they just have a different world view, which for obvious reasons the establishment doesnt like



With a conscious population, where humans are treated as humans and people don't segregate into national/racial/religious teams, there wouldn't be wars.  We're not there yet, but it's improving slowly.  Not too long ago, there were slaves and people were burned alive for "witchcraft".
I disagree, 50% of the population are just savages, i mean they can kill eachother over a football game, how more primitive-tribalish can you get after 2000 of years of supposed civilization?

I dont think you can ever get to those idiots, they will just remain the plague of society, then theres another 40% that are just conformists, they do what they are told, and not question authority, and the rest of the 10% are "enlightened" writers, philosophers, thinkers, the basic intelligent people that can drive humanity ahead.

So far society is organized in that way that those 10% drive humanity forward and the other 90% are just leeching on it.

Sociopaths are usually very charming.  But they lack the ability to feel or express genuine emotion.  People that communicate with emotion will feel a void there, and the rest won't suspect anything.
Doesnt matter, the conformist will always get fooled by them. They are the predators of humanity. Gizelles always get hunted by lions, the same way humans will always be hunted by our own predators. It's not like the gizelles have ever stand up agains the tyrrany of lions?  Grin


Decentralization just goes back to reducing the size and power of government.  It's amazing how much money and resources go to the government when it's well understood that any government entity will be the least productive.

Yea but let's be honest, some leftists may say that libertarians and such dont care about the poor. And the truth is, that we actually don't. So let's be honest atleast and dont try to lie about it. Being poor in a free society is only because of ignorance.

Being poor today can be understood, but once we get rid of these vampires, there will be no more excuse to be poor because all opportunities will be opened then and only a lazy idiot would starve in that society.


All of your reasoning is based around the assumption that physical determinism isn't true. If physical determinism ever got proven, the whole system would basically collapse, since it basically means there is no such thing as free will.

The thing, it's extremely naive and a coping mechanism, to think we have 100% free will. Someone born in a shitty place with no money and average genetics is most likely going to be stuck on their economical class for life, statistically it's a fact. If you get paid low and you can't barely make any savings because it goes to basic expenses such as food, electricity, etc, you are fucked and destined to remain poor. Thinking otherwise is just self delusion to sleep better at night.

Well with or without free will, the decisions you make are impacted by genetics and the environment that you're in.  Without free will, it is pure cause and effect.  So what we are talking about really is the environment, which will impact the decisions that everyone makes.

Think about how heavily conditioned kids are - from their parents, family, friends, from their school system, from media and advertising.  If we don't have free will and are just a distant echo of the big bang, wouldn't it be beneficial to back off on the intense conditioning?  With or without free will it will still change society.

So given the importance of the environment we are in, how does our current monetary system and government affect our environment?  Are resources distributed appropriately?  Do the most intelligent and benevolent and selfless people become leaders?  Not really.  But of the infinite possibilities, there is an environment where it would be so.
717  Economy / Economics / Re: What kind of affect would another global recession have on Bitcoin? on: April 22, 2015, 10:27:17 PM
Another recession means keeping the interest rates lower for longer time - so people would look for alternatives to fiat currencies such as Bitcoin, but honestly I doubt the US is going through another recession - they are aiming for raising the rates which would shift movement towards the USD and not towards Bitcoin.

I don't think many people would flock to bitcoin even if the US dollar was in trouble.  It needs to be a readily acceptable method for payment for it to be treated like a legitimate alternative to the dollar, and it's not that way yet.

If the dollar collapses, people usually go towards physical assets and in particular, precious metals and real estate.

but many will go to bitcoin in this case, and will increase the adoption which will start a series of events that will increase even further the adoption, so the collapsing of the dollar is for sure beneficial for bitcoin

For that "many" to go to Bitcoin they need to know how to use it and be sure about it, which that is still only a small member of geeks compared to the mass of average joe and the rest of the sheeple, if this wasnt' the case Bitcoin usage would be sky rocketing in Greece as we speak, but people is too clueless yet.

Yeah, it basically needs to be as easy to use as a debit card and almost as widely accepted.  Anything more complicated than that won't get the entire mainstream crowd.  Then the unit of value needs to be understood for pricing.  Most people have trouble converting currencies in their head to understand pricing, and bitcoin is definitely more difficult as it goes into decimal places.
718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mining solving equations, what it actually is? on: April 22, 2015, 09:59:19 PM
The mathematical problem/puzzle/equation that must be solved is this:


Find a number such that the double SHA-256 hash of the block header, which includes the number, is less than the target.


The target is determined by the difficulty.


Interesting.  You've explained this in a way that isn't difficult to understand.

Would you be able to give a sample of what the number, hash of the block header and target would look like in an equation?

SHA256(SHA256(H, N)) < T, where H is the header, N is the solution (included as part of the header), and T is the target.

Here is the current target (in hex): 0x00000000000000001717F0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

If you look at block #353192 (https://blockchain.info/block-height/353192) you will see that N is 3813908736 and the result of SHA256(SHA256(H, 3813908736)) is 0x0000000000000000092f8a4cec04d9a6a9976139db98362656182fc4470b845e, which is less than the target.

Actually, that is a simplified explanation. There are other fields in the header that are modified to get a successful result: the timestamp and the merkle root values in the header are also adjusted.

Thanks, I appreciate the explanation Smiley

So when you write SHA256(H, N), is that a function of the two variables, H and N?
719  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: April 22, 2015, 06:32:25 PM
Yes indeed, micro then macro and a bit of history of economics. I also took a masters degree specializing in financial markets (price,volatility, financial instruments), yet i cant believe i spent 5 years of my life studying propaganda when in reality i could have learned all that on the internet in 1-2 months.

It was as if its all basic knowledge, or in the sense that its true by default, not even questioning the whole system.

I mean the whole keynesian lectures were like: It's true because we say its true, argument from authority fallacy  Roll Eyes

And basically the entire education system is filled with arguments from authority, never questioning the root of the knowledge.


They dont tell you that central bank counterfeits money and lends it out to commercial banks that leverage it up 50-100x more and then lend it out at horrible 7-8% annual interest when they made that money out of this air, and then they expect that this printed money trickles down to the poor guy and helps him find a job. When in reality the poor people gets hurt by the most throught the wasteproduct called inflation.And if the poor guy can't pay his 7-8% mortgate they steal his real tangible house from him, so the banksters swapped counterfeited money into real assets, they are true criminals by all means.

(Keynesianism in a nutshell)

After realizing that i realized what a bullshit world this is filled with manipulators, tyrants and idiots who serve them.

If you could go back and choose another type of education, would you change it given what you said above?

If I could do it over, I'd either go into neuroscience, engineering or technology (science/physics background).  Business is a pretty bullshit subject to study in university as you mentioned, it's easy to learn online through research. 
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Yea i agree, mental ilness, for the most part is a made up bullshit. We label them mentally ill just because they have a different world perspective. I mean an ant or an owl has a different world perspective but we dont lock them up in a white room...

Now of course there are dangerous psychotic people, but those are a minority, but these autistic people I dont think they are ill, they just have a different world view, which for obvious reasons the establishment doesnt like

Yeah it's even very interesting to see what type of drugs are marketed by society.

Psychedelics (psilocybin mushrooms, LSD, DMT, Ayahuasca, Peyote, etc.) = mind opening and illegal all over the world except for select tribes, not addictive
Stimulants (caffeine, cocaine, meth, MDMA, etc.) - of those MDMA is mind opening and illegal, but coffee which increases productivity of workers is completely fine, decently addictive
Opiates (oxycontin, herion, morphine, etc.) - mind and pain numbing, incredibly addictive - this is mostly prescribed by health professionals

Even look at what point does society acknowledge a sociopath?  These people usually have a terrible childhood and become apathetic just to get by, and until they commit some type of crime, there really isn't any help.  Even then, they become victim to the legal system and police, who are unable to help anyone with mental illness.

I disagree, 50% of the population are just savages, i mean they can kill eachother over a football game, how more primitive-tribalish can you get after 2000 of years of supposed civilization?

I dont think you can ever get to those idiots, they will just remain the plague of society, then theres another 40% that are just conformists, they do what they are told, and not question authority, and the rest of the 10% are "enlightened" writers, philosophers, thinkers, the basic intelligent people that can drive humanity ahead.

So far society is organized in that way that those 10% drive humanity forward and the other 90% are just leeching on it.

There are lots of savages, I'd guess less than 50% of the population though lol.  For the most part these are kids that grow up without love, and then turn into insecure adults, overcompensated with aggression.  It's very odd to see unreasonable aggression from a man who was loved and accepted by his father.  Without good parenting and love, there needs to be some type of therapy (doesn't have to be in the typical sense with a psychotherapist) to acknowledge traumatic events and reconcile.  It's a very difficult process for most people, but anyone can do it, it just requires more awareness and a different perspective.  Some are just unwilling to do that.

Doesnt matter, the conformist will always get fooled by them. They are the predators of humanity. Gizelles always get hunted by lions, the same way humans will always be hunted by our own predators. It's not like the gizelles have ever stand up agains the tyrrany of lions?  Grin

Yes, agreed.  The gazelles are just stupid, similar to our unconscious population.  With some awareness of the power they hold (which is power in numbers), the 300 gazelles wouldn't need to run from 5 lions.  But instead of awareness, they just have a fear reaction and it's every gazelle for themselves, and one of the little shits that twisted its ankle becomes lunch and none of the other gazelles give a shit.  On the flip side, look at the species of ants.  They work as a single unit for the greater good, and a single ant will give it's life for the rest to prosper.  So in that respect, ants don't need to run from say a spider that is 200X its size.

Yea but let's be honest, some leftists may say that libertarians and such dont care about the poor. And the truth is, that we actually don't. So let's be honest atleast and dont try to lie about it. Being poor in a free society is only because of ignorance.

Being poor today can be understood, but once we get rid of these vampires, there will be no more excuse to be poor because all opportunities will be opened then and only a lazy idiot would starve in that society.

Well empathy is required to care about those that suffer.  Although there are empathetic individuals, society as a whole is not empathetic yet.  Current society definitely doesn't care about the poor, so criticizing libertarians of the same thing is really a mute point.

Well put on the second point.  Once you remove obstacles that are largely implemented by the government, then the political job is done, and it's up to the individual to seize the opportunity and contribute to society.
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