That's what we're discussing right now. Welcome to the discussion.

Still using dial up to connect to the Internet?

Or are you enjoying the benefits of the greedy companies that want to offer more and more speed to make money?

I like the part about having your bitcoin address tied to your computer. You could have your connecting client sign a transaction for verification.

I do like how the closer you get to the "real" Internet the higher the cost because of the assumed better bandwidth.

But there should be a way to pay (and charge) for the best speeds and higher traffic. This would encourage people to be like miners and upgrade their hardware often with the final result being blazing fast network speeds and high data ceilings.

I think he means a Dutch oven.

Similar but very different.

That was me, I just pulling some change out of my couch. Converted them to bitcoins.

Bolivia has only banned using bitcoins on its banks national payment system.

Like Visa banning using bitcoins over its credit card network or banks banning the use of bitcoins for wire transfers.

Essentially.

Bolivia has not banned bitcoins!

I get out of Afghanistan in 3 weeks.

It's time for me to plant my seed too...

I could see something like a "subscription" base for nodes connecting to nodes.

Each node pays for X amount of bandwidth up front to another node. That node does not know if it is a relay or a user connecting. Something like .01 BTC for 10Gb of data transfer. Once that amount is used up, the node or user has to pay again. This has been shown to be a viable way of paying for Internet service with bitcoins.

You could set the amount you want and your nodes could seek out the best rate among nodes. Users could also seek out the best nodes to connect to for their Internet access.

If a node is getting paid a lot for traffic it then has to pay other nodes for the traffic needs from them.

There could be different levels of access for short term access like in an airport where you only need 10Mb or so, or higher subscriptions for major hubs.

The market would push the rates down as anyone can drop in a node and set their price.

translation:
BOARD RESOLUTION No. 044/2014
SUBJECT: MANAGEMENT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS - BAN
USE OF COINS AND CURRENCY NO NAMES
REGULATED IN THE FIELD OF PAYMENT SYSTEM
NACIONAL.VISTOS:
The Political Constitution of Estado.La Law No. 1670 of October 1995, the Central Bank of Bolivia BCB 31.) Law No. 393 of August 21, 2013, Financial Services.
The Statute of BCB approved by Resolution of Board No. 128/2005 of 21
October 2005 and subsequent amendments.
The Payment System Regulation High Value, approved by Resolution of
Directory N ° 131/2009 of 27 October 2009.
The Payment Services Regulations approved by Board Resolution No.
121/2011 of 27 September 2011 as amended by Resolution of Directors
N ° 59/2012 of 22 May 2012 and No. 100/2013 of 30 July 2013.
Regulation of Electronic Payment Instruments approved by Resolution of
Directory N ° 126/2011 of 4 October 2011 and amended by Resolutions
Directory N ° 25/2012, 60/2012 and 22/2013 of 23 February 2012, May 22, 2012 y5 March 2013, respectively.
Regulation for International Remittance Transfer approved medianteResolucion Directory N ° 071/2012 of 19 June 2012 and amended by
Directory Resolution N ° 154/2012 of 28 August 2012.
The Report of the Management of Financial Institutions-GEF-BCB-DVSP SSPSF-INF-2014-
35 of April 30, 2014.
The report of the Legal Affairs Management BCB-GAL-HEALTHY-INF-2014-149 of 6
May 2014.
WHEREAS:
That the State Constitution provides in Article 328 that is vested with the
BCB, in coordination with economic policy determined by the Executive, the serialadas ademásde by law, regulate the payments system.

That pursuant to Article 331 of the Political Constitution of the State, the activities of
financial intermediation, the provision of financial services and any other actividadrelacionada with the management, use of savings and investment are of public interest °
can only be exercised prior authorization of the State in accordance with the law
The Law No. 1670 provides in Articles 2, 3 and 30 BCB aims to ensure the
stability of the domestic purchasing power of the national currency, for which cumplimientoformula policies generally applicable monetary and payments system,
to be subject to its regulatory jurisdiction, all entities of intermediation
financial and financial services authorized by the Superintendency of Banks and
Financial currently Authority Financial System Supervision ASFI.) That the Act No. 393
in
its Article 124, provides that transactions under
the services provided by financial institutions can be made through media
electronics, which must necessarily enforce security measures to ensure the
integrity, confidentiality, authentication and non-repudiation. Also in section IV of this
seriala article the Supervision Authority and the Financial System according to BCB
its powers, ISSUED regulation establishing the procedure and rules deseguridad for operations, as well as the minimum requirements for the
entities to engage in electronic banking, phone banking and through
mobile devices.
Regulation System of Large Value Payment defined in its Article 32 that
payment orders will be recorded in the following currency denominations: a) Currency
national (MN), b) Foreign Currency (ME) only Mares of the United States of
North America, c) Domestic currency with value maintenance in relation to the Unit
Housing Development (MNUFV), and d) national currency with value maintenance
relationship to the Sea of ​​the United States of North America MVDOL).
Regulation of Electronic Instruments seliala Payment in Article 5, paragraph a)
funds established in the accounts based mobile wallet payments (accounts
payment) will be called only nacional.Que currency has been detected in some countries the use of virtual currencies like Bitcoin, Namecoin,
Tonal Bitcoin, IxCoin, Devcoin, Freicoin, 10coin, Liquidcoin, Peercoin, Quark, Primecoin,
Feathercoin and others that do not belong to ningian state, country or economic area,
emission and therefore use is not regulated and may cause a loss to their holders.
The Management of Financial Institutions by BCB-GEF-SSPSF-DVSP-INF-2014-35 Report evaluates the current regulations governing the national payment system and the use of monetary denominations otrasmonedas or not authorized by the BCB, and recommends ban
use coins not issued or regulated by states, countries or economic areas and monetary denominations not authorized by the BCB in the amice the national payment system

That the Legal Department by BCB-GAL-HEALTHY-INF-2014-149 states that relevant BCB Report, in its capacity as monetary and exchange only authority in the country, with enough power to issue general regulations specialized application, prohibit the use of coins and currency denominations gue are not found in the field of regulated national payment system concluding that the ban is legally applicable, remain the responsibility of the Board of BCB consider approval.

That the Board of BCB in his capacity as the highest authority of the institution is responsible for defining policies, specialized regulations and internal rules generally applicable, being empowered to promulgate rules and adopt the broad decisions that were necessary to fulfill the functions , powers and responsibilities assigned by law to the Issuing Entity.

Article 1. Starting date using coins not issued or regulated by states, countries or economic orders and electronic payment in coins and currency denominations not authorized by the BCB in the field of national payment system areas is prohibited.


Article 2. The President and the General Manager, are responsible for the execution and enforcement do this Resolution.

Full text:
RESOLUCION DE DIRECTORIO N 044/2014
ASUNTO: GERENCIA DE ENTIDADES FINANCIERAS — PROHIBICION DEL
USO DE MONEDAS Y DENOMINACIONES MONETARIAS NO
REGULADAS EN EL AMBITO DEL SISTEMA DE PAGOS
NACIONAL.VISTOS:
La Constitucion Politica del Estado.La Ley N° 1670 de 31 de octubre de 1995 del Banco Central de Bolivia BCB).La Ley N° 393 de 21 de agosto de 2013, de Servicios Financieros.
El Estatuto del BCB aprobado mediante Resolucion de Directorio N° 128/2005 de 21 de
octubre de 2005 y posteriores modificaciones.
El Reglamento del Sistema de Pagos de Alto Valor, aprobado mediante Resolucion de
Directorio N° 131/2009 de 27 de octubre de 2009.
El Reglamento de Servicios de Pago aprobado mediante ResoluciOn de Directorio N°
121/2011 de 27 de septiembre de 2011 modificado mediante Resoluciones de Directorio
N° 59/2012 de 22 de mayo de 2012 y N° 100/2013 de 30 de julio de 2013.
El Reglamento de Instrumentos Electronicos de Pago aprobado mediante Resolucion de
Directorio N° 126/2011 de 4 de octubre de 2011 y modificado mediante Resoluciones de
Directorio N° 25/2012, 60/2012 y 22/2013 de 23 de febrero de 2012, 22 de mayo de 2012 y5 de marzo de 2013, respectivamente.
El Reglamento para la Transferencia de Remesas Internacionales aprobado medianteResolucion de Directorio N° 071/2012 de 19 de junio de 2012 y modificado mediante
Resolucion de Directorio N°154/2012 de 28 de agosto de 2012.
El Informe de la Gerencia de Entidades Financieras BCB-GEF-SSPSF-DVSP-INF-2014-
35 de 30 de abril de 2014.
El Informe de la Gerencia de Asuntos Legales BCB-GAL-SANO-INF-2014-149 de 6 de
mayo de 2014.
CONSIDERANDO:
Que la Constitucion Politica del Estado establece en su Articulo 328 que es atribuciOn del
BCB, en coordinaciOn con la politica economica determinada por el Organo Ejecutivo, ademasde las serialadas por Ley, regular el sistema de pagos.

Que conforme al Articulo 331 de la Constitucion Politica del Estado, las actividades de
intermediacion financiera, la prestacion de servicios financieros y cualquier otra actividadrelacionada con el manejo, aprovechamiento e inversion del ahorro, son de interes public° y
solo pueden ser ejercidas previa autorizacion del Estado, conforme con la Ley.
Que la Ley N° 1670 dispone en sus Articulos 2, 3 y 30 que el BCB tiene por objeto procurar la
estabilidad del poder adquisitivo interno de la moneda nacional, para cuyo cumplimientoformula las politicas de aplicaciOn general en materia monetaria y del sistema de pagos,
estando sometidas a su competencia normativa, todas las entidades de intermediacion
financiera y servicios financieros autorizadas por la Superintendencia de Bancos y Entidades
Financieras, actualmente Autoridad de Supervision del Sistema Financiero ASFI).Que la Ley N° 393
en
su Articulo 124, establece que las operaciones efectuadas en el marco de
los servicios que prestan las entidades financieras, podran realizarse a traves de medios
electronicos, los que necesariamente deben cumplir las medidas de seguridad que garanticen la
integridad, confidencialidad, autentificacion y no repudio. Asimismo en numeral IV de este
articulo seriala que la Autoridad de Supervision del Sistema Financiero y el BCB de acuerdo a
sus competencias, emitiran regulacion que establezca el procedimiento y normativa deseguridad para las operaciones, asi como los requisitos minimos que deben cumplir las
entidades para realizar actividades de banca electronica, banca por telefono y mediante
dispositivos mOviles.
Que el Reglamento del Sistema de Pagos de Alto Valor define en su Articulo 32 que las
ordenes de pago seran registradas en las siguientes denominaciones monetarias: a) Moneda
nacional (MN), b) Moneda extranjera (ME) sOlo Mares de los Estados Unidos de
Norteamerica, c) Moneda nacional con mantenimiento de valor con relacion a la Unidad de
Fomento de Vivienda (MNUFV), y d) Moneda nacional con mantenimiento de valor con
relacion al Mar de los Estados Unidos de Norteamerica MVDOL).
Que el Reglamento de Instrumentos Electronicos de Pago seliala en su Articulo 5, inciso a) que
los fondos constituidos en las cuentas que sustenta los pagos con billetera movil (cuentas de
pago) estaran denominadas exclusivamente en moneda nacional.Que se ha detectado en algunos paises el uso de monedas virtuales como el Bitcoin, Namecoin,
Tonal Bitcoin, IxCoin, Devcoin, Freicoin, 10coin, Liquidcoin, Peercoin, Quark, Primecoin,
Feathercoin y otras que no pertenecen a ningian estado, pals o zona economica, en
consecuencia su uso y emision no esta regulado, pudiendo ocasionar perdidas a sus tenedores.
Que la Gerencia de Entidades Financieras mediante Informe BCB-GEF-SSPSF-DVSP-INF-2014-35 evalua la normativa vigente que regula el sistema de pagos nacional y el uso de otrasmonedas o denominaciones monetarias no autorizadas por el BCB, y recomienda prohibir el
uso de monedas no emitidas o reguladas por estados, paises o zonas economicas, y denominaciones monetarias no autorizadas por el BCB en el amito del sistema de pagos nacional

Que la Gerencia de Asuntos Legales mediante Informe BCB-GAL-SANO-INF-2014-149 manifiesta que es pertinente que el BCB, en su calidad de unica autoridad monetaria y cambiaria del pais, con facultades suficientes para emitir normativas especializadas de aplicacion general, prohiba el uso de monedas y denominaciones monetarias gue no se encuentren reguladas en el ambito del sistema de pagos nacional concluyendo que la prohibicion es legalmente procedente, siendo competencia del Directorio del BCB considerar su aprobacion.

Que, el Directorio del BCB en su calidad de maxima autoridad de la institucion es responsable de definir politicas, normativas especializadas de aplicacion general y normas internas, estando facultado para dictar las normas y adoptar las decisiones generales que fueran necesarias para el cumplimiento de las funciones, competencias y facultades asignadas por Ley al Ente Emisor.

Articulo 1. A partir de la fecha queda prohibido el uso de monedas no emitidas o reguladas por estados, paises o zonas economicas y de ordenes de pago electronicas en monedas y denominaciones monetarias no autorizadas por el BCB en el ambito del sistema de pagos nacional.

Articulo 2. La presidencia y la Gerencia General, quedan encargadas de la ejecucion y cumplimiento do la presente Resolucion.

A partir de la fecha queda prohibido el uso de monedas no emitidas o reguladas por estados, paises o zonas economicas y de ordenes de pago electronicas en monedas y denominaciones monetarias no autorizadas por el BCB en el ambito del sistema de pagos nacional.

translation:
Starting date using coins not issued or regulated by states, countries or economic orders and electronic payment in coins and currency denominations not authorized by the BCB in the field of national payment system areas is prohibited.

Bolivia Central Bank bans bitcoins on their payment system ie. No sending bitcoins from bank to bank, over wire transfers, etc.

Early on it could certainly tunnel through the current Internet.

Free indoctrination, cheap rounding up of the poor to be kept away from the rich people and training people to be dependent upon the government so they will grant that government more power.

Many US comradescitizens love the US government.

Anonymous does not have web pages that collect e-mail addresses.

They put instructions on Tor or 4chan or places like that.

Of the top reasons for murder, people are not usually in the state of mind to even consider the death penalty. I doubt someone who is willing to murder would see much difference between living the rest of their lives in jail or dying. They do not value life much in the first place, why would you assume they value their own life?

Then again, if we had the ten commandments in schools maybe people would read that one about "thou shalt not kill". But most people who are fighting to get those commandments into schools are fine with finding excuses to ignore that commandment.


This should be left to the states to decide. As murder is a state crime (not defined in the Constitution), if you believe it is murder then you should believe it should be left to the states.


It should not matter. Government should not be involved in our private lives at such a level.


Banning guns is always a good idea for the people with the guns. Easier to control those without it.


Some, not all, of the 1% got there thanks to government using those guns that they don't want you to have. Most of the most wealthy companies are banks, Bitcoin is the answer to that.

If a man rapes a 6 month old baby (or initiates force against someone) anyone is morally justified in self defense or making things right with the victim.

An entity should not have moral authority just because they are "the government".

I use http://www.bitronictech.net

I pay in bitcoins, the rates are good and the service is the best I have ever had with a hosting company.

When you have to pay for the bandwidth you use, and your competitors get paid for providing that bandwidth...how would people be able to jam their competitors bandwidth?

I also usually see that there is no financial incentive in most of these projects. Once the few people working for free move on to other things, nobody replaces them, waiting for those people to come back.

You can use your bitcoins while hodling them at http://www.bitpools.com

You keep your coins in your wallet and get to use them to participate in pools without them ever leaving your control.