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721  Other / Off-topic / Re: Just want to vent. on: April 22, 2015, 04:08:04 PM
21 losses in a  row is  quite unusual: about 1 possibility out of 2000000. But if you make millions of rolls, it becomes likely.

Bots are best way to lose everything. The only winning strategy is: make few rolls and when you are winning just stop.

Yeah, the odds are against you with using martingale long term.

The problem with martingale is that when you hit the losing streak, you lose it all.  So something to consider is making periodic withdrawals, so that when you eventually lose (and you will), you will have withdrawn some funds before that time.  Even then, in the long-run it's a losing strategy and you need to "beat the odds" to win.

Martingale always suckers people in because when you start it you always end up winning but peoples bankrolls are never big enough and eventually they will bust when they hit that losing run and it's always a massive shock but sometimes you just gotta learn the hardway.

Dude I had one time where I started my session with a losing streak that got me right to zero, but normally there are a series of winning bets that make you feel confident that you'll beat the odds lol.
722  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: April 22, 2015, 06:12:18 AM
I got economic degree and i can tell you its bullshit, all they teach there is stupid Keynesian money counterfeiting based economy, and a bit of classical Smith economy, still not sure how they can teach both of these 2 simulatenously when they contradict eachother.

Yes investing requires timing too, but if you are in for the long term picture, not like a short term speculator, then just pick the right stocks and wait.

I think gold stocks have potential, the manipulation is the reason why, because gold price is now held artificially low, it can go only higher than tat, although it would not invest in Gold mining sector , but rather vaults or coinery type companies, or those who melt gold bars, but only those which are located in safe countries, preferably in the Chinese influence zone.

Although I decided a while ago not to invest in the stock market anymore for obvious reasons, if i would, then i would do those i said in the previous posts.

Yeah I learned the same.  I took some micro and macro but ended up specializing in finance.  There was no lecture on anything non-Keynesian.  There was also nothing on the history of money, how FIAT came about.  Where did you go to university if you don't mind me asking?  I'm assuming you're Canadian as well from your spelling Smiley

Last year I picked up a gold stock, as a bet against the USD with all the money printing.  I made a little bit of money, but spent a lot of time with a 50% god damn loss on the stock.  Meanwhile the USD rocketed upwards.  Just based on that experience I don't want to touch that shit anymore.  I've noticed Canadian banks and telecoms pretty much maintain a 4% dividend yield long term, and raise their dividends every year, plus they are heavily restricted industries.  I buy and sell based on the dividend yield.

I didn't invest for a few years, after getting burned in 2008, but interest rates are just too low to get anything out of a risk free investment.
723  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is an imaginary concept, but humanity is enslaved by it on: April 22, 2015, 05:57:16 AM
I `m not sure our predatory species ever had a philosopher as leader. We only chose from 2-3 tyrants that are currently available, and then support the consequences. Even if voters would honestly want a great leader, the problem is there is none available. The political class if filled with warmongers and powermongers that are thirsty for more power and control. Every single law they pass reflect this.

I`m not sure what ideal leader you want but for me, I just dont want any, i want to be left alone from their silly game, and let the fools play it.

Well when have we ever had a majority aware/conscious population?  It goes hand in hand.
And you will never have one, maybe perhaps 10-15% at most, most people are just born ignorants. So thats why any "majority rule" based democracy is an insane concept.


I think there are many great leaders, but they don't end up in politics, nor should they.  Their talent would be wasted in politics.  Current politics is based on manipulating the population, and chronic dishonesty is a job suited for a sociopath.  So it's the sociopath that can look into the camera and blatantly lie to millions of people, and then sleep fine at night that ends up at the top of the political chain.

I dont think the leader itself is a good way of organizing society in peace. Now in war or emercencies it might come in handy to organize people by force for their own survival, but in peace times , which are not that many lately (central banks feed wars) a leader is generally not needed, people can organize themselves voluntarly or defend themselves from agressors.

Besides most sociopathic rulers are so charming that it can easily fool any people who is not a expert on this. I`ve seen sociopaths infiltrate in the freedom movements too just to lurk there, gain power and then become the next tyrant.


Sounds like you are looking for an anarchy type system.  I would prefer that as well, but it needs to happen one step at a time.  Big government and centralized planning is a few major steps from anarchy.

Yes but based on capitalism, where the forces would be so decentralized that really these sociopaths would not have more power than a few men.

I want a competition so big that by default prohibits anyone from gaining too much economic/political or military power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

Well the main challenge really is increasing the awareness of humans, but there are so many forces that benefit from having an ignorant population.  We have a bullshit education system that maintains that ignorance, where the values and grading system are almost upside down.  Look at a group of ultra successful people - it's interesting to see how many dropped out of school, likely because they didn't see value in it.  Even look at kids with ADHD.  They are usually totally obsessed with a few things in life, which are not mainstream, and that obsession allows them to be amazing at it.  Instead of seeing that talent, we start drugging them out at the age of 7 on ritalin and adderal because they don't give a shit about what their grade 2 teacher is writing on the blackboard??  That kid is the aware one.  Internet is helping a lot, as localized ignorance is being shed with exposure to other parts of the world that couldn't be accessed before.

With a conscious population, where humans are treated as humans and people don't segregate into national/racial/religious teams, there wouldn't be wars.  We're not there yet, but it's improving slowly.  Not too long ago, there were slaves and people were burned alive for "witchcraft".

Sociopaths are usually very charming.  But they lack the ability to feel or express genuine emotion.  People that communicate with emotion will feel a void there, and the rest won't suspect anything.

Decentralization just goes back to reducing the size and power of government.  It's amazing how much money and resources go to the government when it's well understood that any government entity will be the least productive.
724  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: April 22, 2015, 05:31:27 AM

If it was easy to invest in the stock market, then everyone would be rich if they felt like being in the stock market.  With interest rates as low as they are, you could even lever up and multiply your returns.

I agree with you that the monetary expansion is pumping the stock market, but there are still many people that have negative returns.

I also agree that the economy will implode if the money printing stops, and I've thought that way for years.  But at the end of the day the Fed is a one trick pony.  The universal solution to any problem is keep that printing press going.  So while I understand there is a possibility of a crash, I still keep a certain % of funds hedged with the banksters and rich folks.

Well yea, you also have to choose the industry to invest in, maybe a little bit of skill, but not so much as you would not need an economic degree to do it.

I mean i would not invest in the baker industry or some random shit like that. Invest in the industry where you know the most money will go: Banking Sector, Telecom, Gold Mining, Software companies, other Private Investor groups closely tied to the banking sector.

If i were you i would just check 1 of a rich guys portfolio and copy paste it.

I'm not sure how much an economics degree would even help in investing.  I studied economics as part of my degree, and I can't really say it helps me much in the market.  It's good to understand the theories, but even top economists are pretty bullshit.  None of them saw the 2008 financial crisis until it was too late.  Only the Austrian economists/some libertarians saw it, and they didn't teach that in university.  With trading, timing is key.  Investing in a shit stock with good timing will yield returns.  Investing in a great stock with bad timing won't.

Banking, telecom and technology is what I like.  I liked gold too, but the price of gold and how easily it's manipulated by paper contracts is something I don't like.

Just take the rich guy's stock - Berkshire.
725  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is an imaginary concept, but humanity is enslaved by it on: April 22, 2015, 05:22:35 AM
I `m not sure our predatory species ever had a philosopher as leader. We only chose from 2-3 tyrants that are currently available, and then support the consequences. Even if voters would honestly want a great leader, the problem is there is none available. The political class if filled with warmongers and powermongers that are thirsty for more power and control. Every single law they pass reflect this.

I`m not sure what ideal leader you want but for me, I just dont want any, i want to be left alone from their silly game, and let the fools play it.

Well when have we ever had a majority aware/conscious population?  It goes hand in hand.

I think there are many great leaders, but they don't end up in politics, nor should they.  Their talent would be wasted in politics.  Current politics is based on manipulating the population, and chronic dishonesty is a job suited for a sociopath.  So it's the sociopath that can look into the camera and blatantly lie to millions of people, and then sleep fine at night that ends up at the top of the political chain.

All of the current lobbying and large corporations that fund government campaigns will never side with a philosopher because the game would come to an end.

The awareness of the world is increasing, but still far from being a majority.

Sounds like you are looking for an anarchy type system.  I would prefer that as well, but it needs to happen one step at a time.  Big government and centralized planning is a few major steps from anarchy.
726  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is an imaginary concept, but humanity is enslaved by it on: April 22, 2015, 05:03:44 AM

Actually nowadays people have the right to elect the government, however they don't have the right to elect central bank, therefore central bank is called dictatorship by some protesters

The interesting thing is, this dictatorship is not enforced by violence, but by ignorance and no knowledge about money creation. People can think it is important to select a government that supports gay marriage, while they don't think it is important to select a central bank without printing more money (thus they become the slave)

Central bank only need to setup a Nobel price of economics and tell people: If they don't print money then economy will fall into recession.  Then people will accept it. Money creation is a topic that is too far from average Joe's life, and although long term wise he is affected by it, in a couple of years' time frame he will not feel any difference between two different monetary policy


They expect the elected "public servants" tyrants to do something about it. The voters have this crazy delusion that they think the people control the government, when in reality the people are just tagged slave sheeps ruled by cunning tyrant wolfs.

The voters do hold the power, but it's a power that goes unused because the awareness isn't there.  With a majority ignorant population, voting loses its power.  With a more aware/conscious population, you'd have more philosophers as leaders, rather than politicians.

Here's one of my favourite quotes, by a French philosopher whose name I forgot lol - "There are no political solutions, only technological ones; the rest is propaganda"  Until voters understand that, the right type of leader will never stand a chance against propaganda.
727  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: April 22, 2015, 04:58:31 AM

Bank stocks have pretty decent returns here (Canada) and make pretty good investments given the risk.  The banks are regulated, so there it doesn't allow for foreign competition.  It's pretty much an oligopoly.  They also pay out ~4% dividends, which usually increase every year.

Investing requires research and understanding central banksters to print money and pump up the stock markets artificially, and maybe a bit of luck, and can be financially rewarding.  Depends what your goals are, but it would make sense to have a combination of investments and savings.

Hey I corrected you, its very easy to invest in stock markets, you dont need jackass knowledge, since all stocks are pumped, just pick 20-30 stocks randomly in a basket and you have a good portfolio.

Of course once the printed money faucet dries up, expect some nasty crashes that will wipe our your investments, like in every 8 year cycle.

If it was easy to invest in the stock market, then everyone would be rich if they felt like being in the stock market.  With interest rates as low as they are, you could even lever up and multiply your returns.

I agree with you that the monetary expansion is pumping the stock market, but there are still many people that have negative returns.

I also agree that the economy will implode if the money printing stops, and I've thought that way for years.  But at the end of the day the Fed is a one trick pony.  The universal solution to any problem is keep that printing press going.  So while I understand there is a possibility of a crash, I still keep a certain % of funds hedged with the banksters and rich folks.
728  Economy / Economics / Re: Government & Bitcoin on: April 22, 2015, 04:46:18 AM
Government regulations are so slowly implemented but they're trying to adopt to new financial markets. Everything is changing, regulations and taxes too. We need few years for mass adoption and official law in almost all countries.

I think taxation is the key to government adoption.  The government would need to have access to sales transactions for taxing sales for the consumer and income for the seller.  Once that is in place, then it can be more widely accepted by large consumer goods/services companies.

Smaller players who likely don't report any taxes from bitcoin wouldn't care, but there would be large legal implications for the larger companies.
729  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do I tell her my feelings? on: April 22, 2015, 04:12:54 AM
First, you need to be comfortable with a few different outcomes, which will avoid the creepfactor.

1. You need to be comfortable with her knowing, and continuing to just be friends
2. You need to be comfortable with no longer being friends
3. You are already comfortable with being more than friends so that's no issue

If you have that attitude, and respect her decision no matter what it is, then you'll be just fine, and she'll probably respect you more as a person, which can only help.  Whether it becomes a romantic relationship or not depends on how she feels, so the only way to find out is to talk to her.

If you want to become possessive of her, and "need" her to be with you, then you may come off a bit creepy.

At the end of the day, it sounds like you have a crush on her, and you'll likely get a similar feeling to many more girls over the years, so don't take it too seriously Smiley

Also, don't take advice from a bitcoin forum about girls Wink
730  Other / Off-topic / Re: game of thrones season 5 episode 1, need a link on: April 22, 2015, 04:04:52 AM

game of thrones season 5 episode 1, need streaming link anyone?

The first 4 episodes leaked.  Might as well get them all while you're at it.
731  Other / Off-topic / Re: Just want to vent. on: April 22, 2015, 04:03:31 AM
21 losses in a  row is  quite unusual: about 1 possibility out of 2000000. But if you make millions of rolls, it becomes likely.

Bots are best way to lose everything. The only winning strategy is: make few rolls and when you are winning just stop.

Yeah, the odds are against you with using martingale long term.

The problem with martingale is that when you hit the losing streak, you lose it all.  So something to consider is making periodic withdrawals, so that when you eventually lose (and you will), you will have withdrawn some funds before that time.  Even then, in the long-run it's a losing strategy and you need to "beat the odds" to win.
732  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mining solving equations, what it actually is? on: April 22, 2015, 03:48:00 AM
The mathematical problem/puzzle/equation that must be solved is this:


Find a number such that the double SHA-256 hash of the block header, which includes the number, is less than the target.


The target is determined by the difficulty.


Interesting.  You've explained this in a way that isn't difficult to understand.

Would you be able to give a sample of what the number, hash of the block header and target would look like in an equation?
733  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: April 22, 2015, 12:15:03 AM


But in countries like India, Banks are giving 7-10% annual interest rate depending upon the amount, bank and maturity tenure. So that's not very bad compare to what you are refereeing to.

Thats being done because the inflation is eating it up. You got 1 billion people there that some need welfare, of course your government will print money.

You always have to look at the net interest rate. If you inflation is like 50% and your government gives your 51% on deposits, you dont get 51% return you only get 1% return....

So yea. If your annual interest is like 10%, then the inflation is easily 7-8%, so you also get only 2%, and good luck with that becoming rich lol....
It is not always to become rich, some people are just afraid to lose any money, they are fine with only keeping their money 'safe' in bank where it could grow a little above inflation.
Investing is about earning and saving is about security. These are 2 different things. Of course you won't get rich just by saving money...
Saving in the banks will decreased the value of your money because, as years passes by the value of the money will be increased so that if you don't spend your money that in the bank its value will decreased . Example your money is 200$ if you put it in the bank after 5-10 years maybe its value is only 180$ . So that its better to invest although there a risk.


It's best to diversify and hold a series of assets, some on BTC and some in some decent business. For the very rich it makes sense to have it on banks since they benefit decently enough from the interest rates, for the average joe is pretty useless if you want to have a chance to make decent money.

Bank stocks have pretty decent returns here (Canada) and make pretty good investments given the risk.  The banks are regulated, so there it doesn't allow for foreign competition.  It's pretty much an oligopoly.  They also pay out ~4% dividends, which usually increase every year.

Investing requires research and understanding, and maybe a bit of luck, and can be financially rewarding.  Depends what your goals are, but it would make sense to have a combination of investments and savings.
734  Economy / Economics / Re: A love and Hate story between Bitcoin & Wall Street on: April 21, 2015, 11:55:11 PM
It is funny that you don't see the huge difference between Internet and Bitcoin. Internet allowed companies to drastically change the way they earn money (yeah, it took years), and it was so new that there had been no prior similar concept to compete with. The matter is quite different with Bitcoin, since it has to compete with digital fiat money. I for one don't think that Bitcoin is suitable for big companies at all, its decentralized nature plays against it here...

Agreed that this isn't a valid comparison.  The internet is an arena for communication, and much superior to what existed previously to share information.  It's faster, cheaper and more empowering.  Established industries like TV, newspapers, traditional mail, advertising, telephone, libraries, etc. are being replaced by the internet, and the potential to access eyeballs is insane compared to any previous form of telecommunications.

To think that bitcoin is going to come in and destroy FIAT currencies the way the internet is destroying any of the above industries doesn't make sense.  It may one day become a viable alternative if enough people choose to use it.  Internet on the other hand isn't an alternative, it's the primary method for communication and information.
735  Economy / Economics / Re: What kind of affect would another global recession have on Bitcoin? on: April 21, 2015, 10:17:36 PM
Another recession means keeping the interest rates lower for longer time - so people would look for alternatives to fiat currencies such as Bitcoin, but honestly I doubt the US is going through another recession - they are aiming for raising the rates which would shift movement towards the USD and not towards Bitcoin.

I don't think many people would flock to bitcoin even if the US dollar was in trouble.  It needs to be a readily acceptable method for payment for it to be treated like a legitimate alternative to the dollar, and it's not that way yet.

If the dollar collapses, people usually go towards physical assets and in particular, precious metals and real estate.
736  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: April 21, 2015, 10:12:50 PM
I believe he means that he can contribute up to 10% of his gross income into his 401k, and the company will match 66% of his contribution, or 6.6% of gross income, making the total contribution 16.6% of gross income.

Each company usually has it's own program for retirement savings, health benefits and a stock plan if it's a public company.  I have seen retirement matching of between 0 - 175% of employee contributions.  The company with 0% had a stock plan though.

Thanks for the insight freeyourmind. 66% of the 10% isn't that bad to be honest then. i guess it all can relate to what investments are being purchased and handled by your 401k.

No problem bud.

It's not bad; I mean any contribution at all is better than nothing at the end of the day, because I don't believe there is a legal obligation for employers to contribute anything.  My company does a 100% match on a maximum of 6% contribution on gross income.

The problem that I have is that this money is a form of forced savings and cannot be accessed until retirement.  For this reason I prefer stock plans.  The other problem is that it hasn't been taxed, so when you start withdrawing from the retirement fund, it will be taxable income.

With respect to the type of investments, there are usually some standard portfolios with a mix of equities and bonds depending on risk tolerance to choose from.  You can also select specific funds yourself, from the limited options available in the plan specific to your company.
737  Economy / Economics / Re: Is deflation truly that bad for an economy? on: April 21, 2015, 05:04:43 AM
To defeat the evil, you must become the greater evil  Grin

Today's system is transformed from a legit and honest system little by little

1. Use fractional reserve on gold (40%) to create partially backed fiat money
2. Over decades, slowly reduce that reserve ratio
3. Eventually remove gold backing, replacing it with debt backing
3. Increase the money supply slowly following the GDP development
4. Over decades, increase the money supply faster and faster
5. Eventually dramatically increase the money supply and increase the debt exponentially during a crisis, so that everyone is heavily debt laden

If you want to invent an alternative system, better take the same approach, do little change at a time. Most of the people are short sighted and ignorant, they will adopt to changes without question when the change takes decades to happen

At the same time as #3, also establish the petro dollar and global reserve currency status (significantly increasing the global demand for USD).
738  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What are some movies you watched that changed the way you view the society? on: April 20, 2015, 10:17:59 PM
Probably the coolest movie for me that was a critique of today's society was the Matrix.  I didn't really understand the concepts too well when I first saw it.  It was more of a cool action movie to me.  But the second time I watched it, years later, I was really impressed with it.

The mainstream being heavily conditioned to believe whatever the authority/governing body puts forth, vs the smaller group of more conscious/aware people that see through the illusion.

I don't think I did a very good job of explaining anything, but I'm sure you've all seen the movie, and if you haven't, go watch it Smiley

739  Economy / Economics / Re: What kind of affect would another global recession have on Bitcoin? on: April 20, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
What kind of affect do you think would another global recession or the predicted collapse of the U.S Dollar have on Bitcoin?


Thought it might be an interesting discussion.

US is a major player in the worlds economy, if they take a hit the world will also take a hit, same with Russia which took a hit recently, but if US would take hit it will rather be a big blow, it will surely drop the price of Bitcoins unless Bitcoins is adopted mainstream and is in a position to overshadow US dollars.

It will be interesting to see if the day ever comes that the rest of the world wakes up and truly understands what trade is about.  The states have been in a trade deficit since 1975, meaning they export more than they import, with the gap being filled by printed USD.  They will likely never be in a trade surplus, meaning this is not really trade.  If the states decline and other countries wake up, then I think they will be positively impacted.  Perhaps they can consume more of the goods they produce, instead of sending it overseas for a printed note.
740  Economy / Economics / Re: Is deflation truly that bad for an economy? on: April 20, 2015, 08:14:47 PM
I think the system is devised SO that you are a debt slave from day one, regardless of whether you're an idiot or not. How many people are able to pay, in full, for their house, car, education, and healthcare? Please tell us how you save(d) for these things with rampant inflation.

In this fucked up system, one could argue that "idiots" actually do better, since they clamor for assets, while "smart" people try to save in a currency not meant for saving.

Yeah unless you are born into wealth and inheritance, most people require debt to spread the expenses of current consumption into the future.  Those that have assets that generate passive income, are the ones that benefit from the system.  That is, they are able to make income without having to invest their own time, or investing very little time.  An example of this would be a landlord that leases land or property.

Inflation also helps those with assets, and hinders those without, widening the gap and making it more difficult for the have-nots to become part of the haves.
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