Dooglus: Cheating is undetectable. This seems to be a big problem. If you had some type of oversight and your process and accounts were audited would cheating still be undetectable?
This seems to be a weakness of internet gambling in general. All these gambling sites have the same weakness.
The equivalent in a real casino would be rigged games that only gamblers who work for the owners can benefit from.
The problem as I see it is that whoever knows the server seed can cheat undetectably. The server needs to have access to the seed to generate the rolls, and I need to have access to the server. I imagine the equivalent in a real casino is someone invests in the casino, and the guys running the casino tell the investor "sorry, someone came in last night and won a bunch. As a result, your investment isn't doing very well". There don't need to be any rigged games - the owners can just lie to the investors directly. The same goes for any other investment you can imagine. When you buy Microsoft shares do you check every expense they file, or do you just trust that they're not buying hookers and blow with your investment and marking it down as R&D or some such other expense? It seems to me you always have to trust the people running whatever you invest in. |
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Good point, I admit. In the long run I don't think a ratio of 60+k invested vs. below-10k gambled is sustainable, but I guess that's a self-correcting problem  10k / 60k = 0.166% per day expected return on investment, or 61% per year. 55% after commission. I'm not familiar with other places to invest Bitcoin. What is the usual rate of return? At what point would JD's expected rate of return become unacceptable? |
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I'm not sure it adds anything to this thread for me to say that I would never do that. I would say that whether I was cheating or not.
Since you replied: Just say it anyway... As in, a post all by it's own. GPG signed. huh! (then go through a vetting process through someone like John K., DyslexicZombei, or Dabs). hehehe. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't even know if I can say in all honestly that I would never cheat at Just-Dice. I can honestly say I never have done, and that I intend never to do so. But I can imagine dire situations in which I could be very tempted to do so. The whole point is pretty much moot however, since any such cheating is undetectable if done properly. People either trust me or they don't. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSXKbwAAoJEEvmoBBJKjWOJm8H/0SYlxxygaSNG9d6LVk+itKb iGe3MXIfVLeTMBfrtxkuJzn9lRb2a8iajNn9kO8ZGUYEm8hNU4fDE99Wmf+P3M+i mbC+XHD2MYAbxsevE7o8fhh4jiobjdt+I0E28Y7aAQ/IIW3vpO/3wmlVxSSh0icX NmEZ0tgn9hWzGRVJqWsx9pstmU0NAaO5PfiXuaDQcxXIaowXOGaihWyQVAHKgBSc yB9fUG/YXOvRoJ5yr+GnDbFEp4Kuyo+SwM8RmvTxovlA4bqZbRY+sC0FSHTybFar AVvQiGuo9gOfQhmgyLQXD1fxwSbPA/DuqgvX4abuOV5YXq/yqpaqPTA5SPwiEUE= =sb0x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Btw are you a US-citizen? Given uvwvj's post, that's an interesting question (and has certainly been answered before) No. I went snowboarding there once though. California was my first experience of having to stand outside the bar in the snow to smoke. Then it came to the rest of my world. Then I quit. |
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I invite dooglus to come say something here, since he is the one being accused. Something like "I would never do that. blah blah blah."
Or, I think even better, he will just not respond to this as it is beneath him.
I'm not sure it adds anything to this thread for me to say that I would never do that. I would say that whether I was cheating or not. Ultimately I don't see any way to prove my innocence. Any evidence I present can be interpreted as clever planning ahead. I'm just curious, if everything is clean with him, why is he operating under multiple personas, creating a new one every month?
I'm not sure who "him" refers to. If you're talking about me, I only have a single persona, "dooglus". If you're talking about
2548 nakowa 4396.70598393
9075 cici 47.39764653
31791 celeste 1236.87587630
113828 prime 231.78085900
118977 gigad -300.00000000
119016 alison -118.83210594
136175 allover 2562.32000000
143341 charlotte 2506.26599180
145625 cake 4440.43886180
150486 christina 1001.06250000
153338 percent -2976.00000000
155525 claudette -2000.00000000
161188 berathea 1163.78674773
171208 josephene -120.00000000then you would have to ask him why he uses so many different names. Sometimes he asks to be permanently blocked from gambling on an account, and so then has to make a new one to start playing again, but that explains less than half of his name changes. |
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oh well he kind of deserves it to pull off something so clean.
Damn, why didn't someone else already think of that Not sure if serious, but they did. I've been accused of being nakowa many times. The idea even has its own thread. |
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Option 4 unlock nak, let him be himself, once we are down 5000 again no one would care of legal issue.
He has had many accounts locked from gambling in the past. When he wants to play he simply withdraws his balance, makes a new account, and redeposits. At the moment he seems to be making an effort not to play. |
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sbregar97 listed an amazon gift card for sale here. I bought it and he sent me a bogus code. When I complained, his responses were at least entertaining. It's not often you encounter a scammer this stupid. He just tried to extort me for 100 BTC: It's funny because none of the info he's threatening me with leaking is anything to do with Deb or I. It's like he's done a facebook search for "Moore Kamloops" and posted whatever came up first. |
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After the forum was down for a week recently, I decided it makes more sense to post the weekly stats on investment amounts to the blog rather than updating the OP of this thread each week. So here's this week's info: http://just-dice.blogspot.ca/2013/10/investment-amounts.htmlNote also that I'll be reporting the investment amounts rather than the base amounts because the whole point is to prove that I'm holding the correct amount of funds. The base amounts are higher than the actual invested amounts after the site has lost a bunch, so they're not useful for proving lack of fractional reserve. |
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Here's an update after this week's commission:  |
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I was curious about how investors will have done on the site if they invested at the start and never touched their investment since. I wasn't forward thinking enough to make such an account for myself on day 1, but just looked through the DB and found an investor who did just that:  He invested 0.0107 on the first day, and as of right now has .0111 invested. At the end of last week he was running a small loss, so long-term investors have just broken even this week. Investors who got in a little later when the profit was positive will likely not be in the black yet. |
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0.4
0.4 is the current highest bid. The auction ends about 4 hours from the time of this post. Here's a countdown: Timer removed. End time: 2013-10-14+00:00:00UTC |
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Dooglus runs an auction thread and the money made goes to running the site and marketing expenses. Its not pay per click or anything like that, people just bid on the next weeks spots in the auction thread. EDIT: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=246989The 'advertise here' ad is just a link to the forum auction thread. The 'seals' ad is my affiliate link - they don't pay for the ad, but they pay me when people sign up through it and play. The 'bit365' ad is the winner of last week's auction. Sometimes people contact me asking for a price to buy an ad for a whole month, or whatever, and sometimes we come to an arrangement. I never run more than 5 ads in rotation at a time, so you're guaranteed to get your ad displayed at least 40% of the time the page is loaded, and usually it's 66.67% of the time. |
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The news says the exchange will not ask for any info from users:  Didn't it go tits up last time due to insufficient verification of user identities resulting in massive bank fraud, account freezes and confiscation? How is not asking users for their identity docs at all going to help prevent exactly the same mess from happening again? congrats on your sites taking off Dooglus!
Thanks.  |
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I hadn't noticed, but on September 26th I received an email: Hi Doug
Andre here it's been a long time since I've been in touch with you, im deeply sorry for that. I would like to give Bitcoin another go and im asking for your help on a couple of issues with the exchange you built for me
1) I need to upgrade and change the bitcoin wallet to a new one.
2) Bitcoin conformations is not working in the current wallet.
If you can provide a step by step process it would be much appreciated
I can understand if you decide not to help me but its worth a shot as you built the exchange.
All the best
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
That's the first I heard from him for a very long time. I had tried emailing him several times while trying to sort out the WBX mess and never got a single reply. And now he contacts me out of the blue and calls me "Doug". I didn't reply straight away, and then it slipped my mind until I saw your post about the site update. I really don't know what to think. I guess there are plenty of new Bitcoin users who won't have heard about the previous WBX incarnation... |
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Arent you guys selling on Bitmit too?
No, this is the first I've heard of it. If someone's selling Just-Dice ad space there I expect it's a scam. Do you have a link? |
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Dooglus allowed bets to be placed that never should have been placed; the simple solution was to "undo" those bets.
I was not talking about that incident, I was referring to the time when he forgot to remove the BTC from the balance of a player leading to him withdrawing twice, ultimately costing Dooglus 120,000$ which is nearly 4 times more than our debt and some might call his mistake even more foolish than ours. The only difference is that I didn't have a spare ~400BTC to put into the business You're both talking about the same incident, only FloridaBear understands what really happened. There was no "withdrawing twice" or "$120k cost". I accidentally allowed a player to have a 1300 BTC freeroll, and then cancelled the bets he placed. It didn't cost anyone anything. Yes it was a mistake, and yes it was foolish. Other than that you have almost every detail wrong. |
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What people don't seem to understand is that these things happen, if Dooglus wouldn't have 110k sitting on the table at the time of the error he would probably find himself in the same situation.
I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I've never had more than 58k at Just-Dice.com. Just-Dice's system has never been run in a ponzi style. The invested coins are almost all in a well-known cold wallet address, where the investors can see them. Investors are free to withdraw whenever they like (subject to me being awake and online of course, if they need to withdraw more than is in the hot wallet). I've been trying to stay out of this whole mess recently, and would appreciate it if you'd leave me out of it if at all possible. Please don't try to draw parallels between Just-Dice and casinobit. There are none. |
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Dooglus what are you working on these days?
Mostly I'm firefighting. The site has been running very slowly recently. I increased the size of the disk on the server, since it's been getting pretty full recently. I also created a new bitcoin wallet, since the old one was getting very big, and causing the server to spend a lot of time checking every incoming transaction against the large list of addresses it owned. I'm still getting a large number of support requests each day. People claiming their PC was compromised and asking for refunds of bets the attacker made. People forgetting their google-auth code, or just typing 2FA codes wrongly too many times and getting locked out. People depositing to the wrong address, because they forgot to log in before requesting a deposit address. People withdrawing directly from JD to other sites which automatically refund winnings to the sender's address, no realising that the sender's address on a JD withdrawal is effectively random. People complaining that the roll verifier no longer works since I changed the roll generation algorithm. People complaining that they can't bot the site because their bot can't navigate the checks put in place by the cloudflare DDoS protection. That kind of stuff. It's fun.  User visible changes: * you can specify which bets get spammed to the chat tab now, using 3 new settings in the account tab. * the withdraw dialog no longer defaults the withdrawal address to the last one you used (in case you end up spending 2 hours in a dumpster) * the withdraw dialog now tells you not to withdraw to satoshidice, bit365, etc. because the sender address won't be right * the deposit dialog now tells you that deposits to addresses generated before last Saturday are no longer processed automatically. * users can now disable google-auth themselves from the account tab, without having to contact support * fixed a bug where investor profit was including commission charged during 'divest' operations (but not during the regular commission run) * added an admin command to have the site periodically post messages in the chat * changed the roll generation algorithm, so that the hmac input changes by more than 1 bit per roll * added code to allow users to be blocked from gambling by IP address Nothing very important really. But I am keeping busy... |
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