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7301  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: May 31, 2019, 11:58:01 AM
I am gonna put this here, obviously nobody cares about such things as proofs.

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‘It was tense and there was a bit of shouting.
(snip)

You didn't put a source for your text, which is:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n13/andrew-ohagan/the-satoshi-affair

The story also says this:

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It was about 5.30 p.m. when he finally logged on to his laptop to do for Andresen what he had done for me in his office at home, sign a message with the key and have it verified. Andresen looked on. Wright had just used Satoshi’s key. At that point, it seemed to some of those in the room that Andresen’s body language had changed; he seemed slightly awed by the situation. He reached over to his bag and took out a brand-new USB stick and removed it from its wrapping. He took out his own laptop. ‘I need to test it on my computer,’ he said. He added that he was convinced, but that if people were going to ask him, he had to be able to say that he’d checked it independently. He pointed to Wright’s laptop and said it could all have been pre-loaded on there, though he knew that was unlikely. But he had to check on his own computer and then they would be done. He said the key could be used on his laptop and saved to the memory stick and that Wright could keep it. But for his own peace of mind, and for due diligence, so that there wasn’t a chance of fraud, he had to see it work on a computer that wasn’t Wright’s own.

Wright suddenly baulked. He had just signed a message to Andresen from Satoshi, he said, and had demonstrated his complete familiarity with their correspondence, but, in his mind, what Andresen was now asking for was of a different order. ‘I had vowed,’ Wright told me, ‘never to show the key publicly and never to let it go. I trusted Andresen, but I couldn’t do it.’ Wright got up from the table and started pacing. He had clearly believed he would be able to get through the proof session without this. In fact, he had said in my presence several times over the preceding months that he would never hand the key over to anyone or allow it to be copied or used on someone else’s machine. ‘I do not want to categorically prove keys across machines,’ he wrote to me in an email. To him, this would be to give Satoshi away and perhaps to dilute his own proclaimed connection to him. He went to a chair in the corner of the room and looked up at Andresen. ‘Maybe you and I could get to know each other better,’ he said.

Andresen just nodded his assent. ‘Like, trade more emails,’ Wright said, ‘and I can sign more messages to you.’

At this point, Matthews’s blood ran cold. ‘It was the only time during all the years that I thought: “Jesus Christ, has he been spinning us the whole time?”’ MacGregor too felt this was a very risky moment. He glanced at Matthews. There was no way he was going to let Andresen get back on the plane with that as a punctuation mark. They all felt Wright’s behaviour was ludicrous: he’d demonstrated that he was Satoshi and only had to let this be verified on Gavin’s laptop. End of story.

Wright's supposed signing of messages for the BBC and Andrew O'Hagan were refuted by several other cryptography and blockchain experts, including Pieter Wuille, Christopher Jeffrey and Greg Maxwell.

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After the show aired, veteran cryptographers quickly pointed out that the BBC reporters and Andrew O’Hagan were seemingly duped. The long-winded London Review of Books story that describes O’Hagan’s experience hanging out with Wright for months shows O’Hagan had no clue what Wright was actually signing. Moreover, well-known cryptocurrency developers like Pieter Wuille, Christopher Jeffrey and Greg Maxwell showed the public how Wright pulled off his signing parlor trick.



In addition to all of this, Vitalik Buterin put it most perfectly when speaking at a conference with Gavin Andresen. Basically, Buterin posed the question of why would Wright choose to go the route of proving he could sign a message in front of only a small, select audience when he could just as easily do so in front of the entire world? The fact that he chose the more roundabout way of "proving" something suggests its because he couldn't do it the good way.
7302  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: I got scammed... UPDATE - Help on: May 31, 2019, 09:14:14 AM
Obviously you got conned at every step of the way. What package delivery service were you using? Who were you paying taxes to? You paid $27k in "taxes" in addition to losing your initial bitcoin deposit??

If you ask him what to do next, he will ask you for more money.

If you tell him you're going to the police, he will disappear.

There's essentially nothing you can do except for not be so gullible in the future.

Are you sure you're not just trolling us?

Unlikely that signature spammers on bitcointalk can help you in this case.

You're talking about yourself right? You have a signature and you are leaving less-than-helpful comments.
7303  Other / Meta / Re: Trust System Upgrade on: May 31, 2019, 08:21:11 AM
You posted the same 2 options twice:



May want to delete the duplicate options.

Its been less than 6 months since the last changes were made, I think theymos should wait another 6 months before fiddling with the system. People are still adapting to the last upheaval. To introduce more changes now would just add to the confusion.
7304  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto - Evidence Here on: May 31, 2019, 08:07:54 AM

I don't know how people can keep believing anything Ayre has to say at this point. Its cult-like behavior. Brainwashed mentality likely reinforced by heavy bags.

I ask you again - where is your God now?

Same place he's always been. Though I do admit the whole saga is entertaining.

I am not sure he is Satoshi Nakamoto, because there must be scientific proof to be able to confirm the truth. It may be necessary to match fingerprints with the devices used for the creation of bitcoin projects or other legacy evidence that can be recognized more forensically, such as DNA.
Everyone may be able to claim to be Satoshi Nakamoto, but that confession must be accompanied by valid evidence which is indisputable.

You're asking for a bit too much with the whole DNA thing. I would be happy with a publicly signed message from one of Satoshi's private keys, which Wright has so far been unable to provide.

If you want a list of evidence that suggests Wright is not Satoshi, its far longer than the list of evidence that suggests that he is:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062
7305  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 31, 2019, 07:29:55 AM
AOC is an annoying cunt, but an island full of Puerto Rican chicks sounds like a nice smash fest to me.

Actually there is one already. You don't even need a passport to go there.

Serious question Roach. Are you attracted sexually to women? The only person you seem to openly admire is Hitler, who is a dude. Any Aryan hotties you wanna smash? Not an accusation, just a few real questions.

7306  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 31, 2019, 07:13:27 AM
Imagine an entire island full of Ocasio Cortez mulatto negresses.



Any other guys besides me in this fantasy?

Let's face it: any man who is not blinded by racism (or is gay) can see that she's hot.

Even in an unflattering pose, still hot.
7307  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: May 31, 2019, 06:41:44 AM
it does not matter who the inventor is, him is considered the one who first registered the patent for the invention

K, regardless of the fact that you are contradicting yourself, you are therefore saying that Ronald Keala Kua Maria invented bitcoin.

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The Hawaiian Who Registered the White Paper Before Wright

There’s Ronald Keala Kua Maria, a resident from Hawaii who copyrighted the Bitcoin white paper, back in August 2016 with registration no. TXu 002037698. News.Bitcoin.com reported on Kua Maria claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto back in June 2018. Not only did Kua Maria copyright the white paper, but he also copyrighted a decent number of other trademarks and words like “Bitcoin Cash.”

https://news.bitcoin.com/us-copyright-office-responds-to-craig-wrights-bitcoin-registrations/

Price Update: BSV now down 20% in 24 hours.
7308  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Tim Draper loves ETC more than ETH! on: May 31, 2019, 05:45:59 AM
Well i think Ethereum is better, why? Because it development continue and people use it more than ETC and also on ICO was using. And always demand for Ethereum was bigger than for ETC.

They are both Ethereum. ETC is actually the older, original version of Ethereum (perhaps more Ethereum than ETH itself).

Of course ETH gets a lot of attention and development, but ETC can basically perform all the same functions and is just as good for launching some sort of ICO or fund raising project... plus its dramatically cheaper to do so.
7309  Economy / Reputation / Re: Feedback needed on risked amount on: May 31, 2019, 05:35:02 AM
EcuaMobi, dbshck and me left feedback for OgNasty where we put 500 in the risked BTC field. I noticed Vod's friendly counter negative rating for that. I received a PM from EcuaMobi this morning and requested to update my feedback if I can. He explained the logic is that we did not risked anything personally so we should enter 0 as risked amount.

That's correct; you should definitely update it to 0 BTC since it was not your BTC being risked.

Just noticed a bunch of other people chimed in with similar opinions.

You can interpret my words however you want as well.  As long as you know you're breaking a forum rule, I don't care what you do.  Smiley

What rule is that?
7310  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 31, 2019, 05:11:17 AM

8k timberrrr is barting.|^^^|.  Grin  weeeee

What's the price of Bitcoin Instant? Oh that's right, there is none after it got taken off its last exchange in October. weeee

Remember when you said it would be back on Poloniex and in the top 50 coins last December? After claiming long-standing members of the community were part of your team without their awareness? weeeeeeee

You should be happy I deleted my negative trust against you several months ago after feeling sorry for you, otherwise you'd be twice as red as you currently are weeeeeeeeeee
7311  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: May 31, 2019, 04:50:01 AM
The Life of a 1 Merit Legendary

BCH and BTC have the same function, namely as a means of payment,
that's why BCH is named Bitcoin Cash, the difference is probably because BCH is more focused on speed of delivery that BTC does not have,
but I am sure that as the era grows, the speed of delivery will also be very fast.

Did I mention this guy's account is from 2011?

I started trading in 2018, and my experience of trading was while studying and practicing the knowledge that I got.
and the most proud when we can predict where the chart will go.

The best luck is earned luck.

now it is very difficult to become a bounty hunter, because not a few who have worked hard but did not get the maximum results, so luck is needed.
and if someone's luck has been earned, it will get a lot of money.

I was pretty disturbed by this guy's comments, so I went to check his trust history, and it turns out I left him a neutral feedback in December 2018.
7312  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to Launch an IEO – The Complete Guide on: May 31, 2019, 04:32:38 AM
The OP is bordering on plagiarism by taking text from another source without mentioning it is from that source. He does post a link to the source though at the end of the comment, which makes it seem like he is kind of just advertising a blog. But if somebody actually gets something useful out of it then no harm done.
7313  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: May 31, 2019, 02:53:36 AM
The OP predicted a 0$ BSV last week, he’s  100% wrong on that

Wrong. I never said that. Why do you insist on lying with your every breath?

Think I must have struck quite a nerve with you this time.

Oh, I see the problem now: BSV is down 16% in the last 20 hours.

OP SENORING POSTS

What does this even mean? You got caught lying about China and this is your response?

Be aware !

OP deleting rebuttals

I didn't even report your post, but I bet you were double-posting and somebody reported it.
7314  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 30, 2019, 02:43:06 PM
I just gotta say, I think most of you guys (most, not all) are gonna appreciate this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062

tl;dr: I opened a scam accusation against SV.
7315  Economy / Scam Accusations / SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: May 30, 2019, 12:13:53 PM
Bitcoin SV isn't just a bad investment. It's a scam.


Project ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4985868
ANN thread creator: Bitcoin SV

Why it is accused of being a scam:

A. Fake Team Member*

Craig Wright, lead developer of Bitcoin SV (nChain), has claimed he is Satoshi Nakamoto (creator of Bitcoin) for over four years; one of the more recent times being in a Medium article he published in late April:

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You’re about to find out why I created bitcoin and yes I am Satoshi Nakamoto.

However, Wright has yet to provide the cryptographic proof required to affirm his assertion, which would mainly include signing a message from an address known to be owned by Satoshi Nakamoto. From a 2016 Cointelegraph article that debunks Craig's ability to produce a signature signed by the private key of an early BTC address:

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... it’s pretty safe to say that Craig Wright has not provided any publicly available evidence to support his claim, so the news are most likely fake.

As was demonstrated by a recent press release containing erroneous information that Wright had been granted copyrights for the original Bitcoin white paper and version 0.1 of the cryptocurrency’s code - immediately after which the price of BSV more than doubled - a substantial portion of BSV's market cap value is driven by the notion than Wright is Satoshi.

As chief scientist of its lead development team, which is heavily invested in BSV, Wright has strong financial motives for proving to the world that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. However, all of the major pieces of evidence he has provided of such thus far have been demonstrated to be inconsequential or forged.

One of the most famous examples of Wright's deceptions is when he edited a 2008 blog entry in 2015 to make it appear that he had invented the word "cryptocurrency" and inferred that he was releasing the Bitcoin white paper:



Wright has also proven to be untrustworthy in his actions over the course of the years, with a penchant for over-exaggerating claims in order to make a point; a couple examples of which include:

1. Wright announcing his "departure" from bitcoin in 2016 after being ridiculed by the bitcoin community and media for presenting disingenuous proof that he had signed a message from an early bitcoin address. (He did not stay away for long)


2. Wright telling Roger Ver in an email at the onset of the BCH "hash war" in 2018 that he will see BCH "trade at zero for a few years." (Of course BCH never traded at zero, or came close)


Additionally, in an op-ed published on bitcoinmagazine.com entitled "How Many Wrongs Make a Wright?", cypherpunk/coder Jameson Lopp presents a vast collection of referenced claims made by Wright that were investigated and found to be incorrect; among them is evidence that Wright did not have the in-depth technical knowledge that Satoshi did. However, what the following list compiled by Lopp establishes the most clearly is that Wright has a propensity for not telling the truth:

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What we know and can prove is that:

  • He has a documented history of questionable statements and activities.
  • He has a history of appearing to exaggerate his academic credentials.
  • He has made a multitude of technical errors in his writings that call his understanding of Bitcoin and internet technology into question.

His writing style (according to text analysis) and demeanor do not appear to be the same as those of the Satoshi whose writings are archived here.

Wright once said: “I am a lawyer and this [financial law] is my area of speciality,” whereas the real Satoshi, when asked about how a financial law applied to Bitcoin, said, “I am not a lawyer and I can’t possibly answer that.”

Wright once said: “At no point have I said that Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency,” and yet Satoshi called Bitcoin a cryptocurrency on several occasions.

Wright once said that he is an “academic coder” who has no idea about “real world coding” but Satoshi has said, “I’m better with code than with words though.”

In 2008, just six months before the anonymous Satoshi Nakamoto appeared, Wright made a public post stating, “Anonymity is the shield of cowards, it is the cover used to defend their lies. My life is open and I have little care for my privacy.”

In February 2011, he seemed unaware of Bitcoin at all, as he was thinking about starting a gold-backed payment system.

In August 2011, he began to mention Bitcoin in his writings, but he called it “Bit Coin, whereas Satoshi didn’t use a space or capital C in emails or forum posts. There was one instance of “BitCoin” in the early codebase, but Satoshi himself later corrected the capitalization.

He actively bought and traded coins on Mt. Gox in 2013 and 2014.

He once asked why you would use Xs rather than zeros in a burn address. Satoshi Nakamoto invented the Base58 encoding scheme used for these addresses, which intentionally excludes numbers and letters that look similar, such as zero and the letter O.

He once claimed that Bitcoin’s block size was set in the block header (it’s not).

He once claimed that Satoshi chose the secp256k1 curve due to bi-linear pairing properties but Satoshi once said that “I didn't find anything to recommend a curve type so I just ... picked one.”

In an interview with GQ, Wright claimed, "I haven’t moved [any bitcoins]. I have sent them to Hal Finney and Zooko and that was it. Full stop." But in 2009 Satoshi Nakamoto sent 82.51 BTC to developer Mike Hearn.

He has thus far failed to provide simple cryptographic proof that he controls keys belonging to Satoshi after promising to do so.

The cryptographic “proof” he did provide has been widely debunked by numerous experts including Patrick McKenzie, Dan Kaminsky and Robert Graham.

Lopp also includes several other observations that point to Wright and Satoshi not being the same person in his article, and the entire thing is worthy of a thorough read.

There exists a vast array of circumstantial evidence outside of Lopp's article that points to Wright not being Satoshi, but for the sake of "brevity" it is not included in this post.

B. Plagiarized White Paper**

As part of his claim of being Satoshi comes his claim that he wrote the original Bitcoin white paper, which is formally being used by BSV as their own white paper. While using the white paper from another project for your own may not be plagiarism per se, Wright did indeed engage in plagiarism by trying to pass off a copy of Satoshi's October 2008 Bitcoin white paper as his own work submitted to the Australian government.

In a February 2019 tweet, Wright claims he sent a copy of an original work entitled "Project BlackNet" to the Australian government in 2001 - a full 7 years before the release of the Bitcoin white paper. However, it was soon demonstrated by comparing Wright's document with an earlier version of the Bitcoin white paper (a draft posted on the cypherpunks mailing list in August 2018) that Wright had included minor changes made between drafts of Satoshi's white paper, which strongly indicates that Wright had no previous knowledge of the August 2018 draft.



Disclaimer

Of course, as has been highly circulated among BSV proponents as of late, its true that "you cannot prove a negative" -- we cannot "prove" that Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto. However, as it serves as a warning to potential investors, this scam accusation will not be retracted until Wright has provided adequate proof that he is Satoshi, and accept that the burden of proof lies upon him. Upon successfully doing so in the presence of the public and the bitcoin community, this thread we be rescinded.

It should be noted that this post does not imply that Craig Wright is a scammer and BSV is a scam per se, but the evidence presented in this post suggests that there is a strong likelihood of such, and therefore those who are considering investing in BSV on the pretense that Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto are encouraged to exercise extreme caution before investing in this project.

*By "fake team member" I am inferring that Wright is claiming to be Satoshi Nakamoto without providing adequate proof of such.

** By "plagiarized white paper" I am inferring that Wright is claiming to have written a body of text that he did not write (the Bitcoin white paper).
7316  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 30, 2019, 04:44:59 AM
clearly no one here has had a really good Hawaiian spam dish

I lived in Hawaii for over a decade and I can tell you with certainty there's no such thing. There are spam musubis, which are good if you're coming home after a night of drinking and make a quick stop at the 7-Eleven, and then there are dishes with spam in them.
7317  Economy / Reputation / Re: teeGUMES, Bill Gator, Rmcdermott927 and others VS Lauda and the gang on: May 30, 2019, 04:11:44 AM
Guys. You should stop responding to a newbie's thread with 19 posts under their belt.

For all we know they really are a newbie, or otherwise somebody whose opinion you wouldn't normally care about.

I don't care much for tecshare but at least he has the guts to post under his main account.

Alt accounts created by blatant shit stirrers should ignored and replies to their posts boycotted.
7318  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] LiveCoin Signature Campaign | Hero/Legendary Members | Up to 0.02BTC/Week on: May 30, 2019, 03:25:58 AM
Accepted! Welcome to the Campaign, please update your Signature & Avatar ASAP.

Thanks Hhampuz! Glad to be aboard.
7319  Economy / Services / Re: ✈ Domestic Flights USA ~ Cheap Airline Tickets ~ CHECK MY DEALS on: May 29, 2019, 06:38:28 PM
What's to stop you from cancelling the reservation once your customer has sent you the coins?
7320  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] LiveCoin Signature Campaign | Hero/Legendary Members | Up to 0.02BTC/Week on: May 29, 2019, 11:24:24 AM
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