I'm not sure how effective that would be. There are too many personal message apps that can be used, as well as e-mail. There is only so much that a web crawler can do. Also, someone can take on many different identities on the internet. Moreover, AFAIK, engaging in account sales is not an illegal act in any jurisdiction. Furthermore, I do not think Theymos wants to expend time and money to issue cease and desist letters and other legal action to try and stop this in civil court.
If there is a way to stop a harmful effect for forum, I think that should do for the forum. What would probably help the most is for the forum to implement silver, gold, platinum and diamond memberships. Silver would get you the same editing privileges as a member; gold as a full member; platinum as a Sr member and diamond as a hero/legendary. That way people can have the option for paying for privileges directly to bitcointalk rather than buying a higher ranked account, or hoping to rank up. Furthermore, if they paid for a membership, they may be encouraged not to go about trying to get away with copy/paste bullshit by creating an endless supply of throw-away accounts. The new memberships probably will not completely stop the account market, however; it may decrease the demand by quite a bit and make it less profitable. I think if admin make paid membership as you mentioned then account trade will decrease 95%. But in this case what will be the benefit? What will be the benefit by stopping account sales by the way you mentioned? traded account and paid membership can be used on same purpose. |
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Anyway, if you think it breaks any rule or it may harm our forum please let me know. I will stop it. I want to say one thing that I do not want to do anything which will be harmful for the forum or any forum member.
I am not sure it's harmful for forum or not but it's really harmful for you. Collateral an account equal to account trade. What you will do if borrower never return your loan? Will you attempt to sale account ? Or only leave with red trust? However you will in lose. For example if someone want to sale his account, he will not post himself due to red trust. But he could take loan from you if you allow for collateral. He will take loan from you and skip with fund. You can't do anything except sale account. On the other hand you don't know the account from where came on. May be someone hacked others account, who know ? Although you are directly not involved with account sale but if you accept for collateral it's means you are encourage them to trade account which is shady work. So better avoid account collateral for loan. It's totally my own opinion. Since account sale allowed by forum I can't force you. But personally I really don't like who involved with account trade. I have already edited my terms on loan thread (only altcoin as collateral). Giving loan by taking bct account as collateral almost same to non collateral loan. If take bct account as collateral then s/he will not be able to take another loan or will not be able to trade or do any violation which can be harmful for the forum. For example: pinkman12345 took two loan at a time and defaulted. If it was taken collateral by the first person then s/he could not default another one. I/you (we cant read anyone's mind but we should be conscious as much as possible. If I give loan by taking bct account as collateral or without collateral I check signature. Or give bitcoin to previous staked address (as exchange address cant be used to verify signature). And also if take account as collateral then s/he will try to repay as soon as possible. If any borrower still default a loan then nothing to do. actmyname asked loan without collateral and received from two person .25 BTC I guess as I have not followed latter. And once s/he checked he refunded last sender. So,it is difficult to understand by rank who will default and who not. Someone defaulting 0.0001 BTC and someone not defaulting .5 BTCI'm not sure how effective that would be. There are too many personal message apps that can be used, as well as e-mail. There is only so much that a web crawler can do. Also, someone can take on many different identities on the internet. Moreover, AFAIK, engaging in account sales is not an illegal act in any jurisdiction. Furthermore, I do not think Theymos wants to expend time and money to issue cease and desist letters and other legal action to try and stop this in civil court.
If there is a way to stop a harmful effect for forum, I think that should do for the forum. |
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People can just take this outside of the forum, (and many do.)
Many people can buy/sell accounts out of posting on bitcointalk. Steps should take ASAP: If there is a way to find out account sellers that could be helpful for the forum. This is my personal thought and also I think developer or coder will do something.
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@TP they are taking forum accounts as collateral. I think I have said more than enough with this. Sorry but I am not recommending or encouraging account sales.
Actually you do. When someone default, you will have to liquidate account. Bro, my loan thread is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.0For few member I keep their account as collateral. Sothat they cant take any other loan or cant make any scam. Anyway, if you think it breaks any rule or it may harm our forum please let me know. I will stop it. I want to say one thing that I do not want to do anything which will be harmful for the forum or any forum member. Edit:I have edited my terms for collateral. Yet I am waiting for both of your opinion. According to my current rule I will not take account as collateral. But if you think it will not be harmful for forum then I may take account as collateral. Until you response that will remain stopped. |
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Agreed, and am not hiding anything; anyone would be willing to help can skype, call, ask for ID... anything. And deep down I know it'l need a miracle for sure.
Thanks anyway
By taking call on skype, taking ID, Passport, Mobile number, Telephone number, NID, Social ID, Driving Licence even all id of your family members cant help anything if you default. That's why these cant be valid collateral; you can call valid collateral which can be sold anytime. |
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I have read that account sales allowed but discouraged. I am trying to find it out. I will edit my post asap. Sorry but I am not recommending or encouraging account sales. I wanted to say if account sales against forum rule or it can make us harmful then we should complain to the forum admin sothat they can change their rule by mentioning account sales not allow.
You don't have to edit your post--your thoughts and opinions aren't going to get you in trouble about this matter. I was just trying to clarify the situation for you. Also, the rule (or lack of one) about account selling isn't likely to change anytime soon, though it's been suggested many times. It's the same with scammers. They're free to scam as much as they like without facing any consequences from moderators or admins--but the community deals with them much the same way as account sellers (or at least some of them do). Sorry edited before seeing your post. As it is already discussed and there is no chance to change rule soon, I think negative trust is must. Though I think it might not stop account selling as almost all post made by newbie account which has no value and account seller can make deal on other site or social media which was mentioned on faq on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_faqIf there is a way to find out account sellers that could be helpful for the forum. This is my personal thought and also I think developer or coder will do something. |
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Account sell is not prohibited by the forum admin or moderator. Account sells allowed by them. If it breaks any rule then better to make complain to the forum admin sothat they can reconsider the case.
You're saying it's allowed by the admins and in the same breath you're recommending that account sales get reported to them? Or maybe I just misinterpreted your post, which wasn't very clearly written. I have read that account sales allowed but discouraged. I am trying to find it out. I will edit my post asap. Sorry but I am not recommending or encouraging account sales. I wanted to say if account sales against forum rule or it can make us harmful then we should complain to the forum admin sothat they can change their rule by mentioning account sales not allow. Edit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_faqRule number 18. Please have a look. I am almost new. So, I might have mistake. Please dont take it seriously. |
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Loan Amount: 0.05
Loan Purpose: Private
Loan Repay Amount: 0.055
Loan Repay Date: January 2019
Type of Collateral: none or my bitcointalk account
Escrow profile Link: none
Bitcoin Address: 1DaboyRkn5KQRwrvL4Ns6cx2QcKf4fFC6U
Sorry base on your reputation I cant give loan to you without collateral or taking this account as collateral. Thanks.  |
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This is my erc20 wallet address that holds CET 0xd728138dc23378660698a4b9b37273948eff4187
I would like to send collateral with the repayment.
Reason: Cet is red now over 4% of its ATH and the lended btc will be traded now to CET as additional.
When you will send repayment why you will send collateral. You should give collateral while taking loan. And collateral will be refund to you when you will repay the loan. Sorry I can't use my CET for collateral and can I use my account as collateral? . Base on your reputation, I cant give loan against your account. Giving collateral does not mean that you are selling. Have a good day! |
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This is my erc20 wallet address that holds CET 0xd728138dc23378660698a4b9b37273948eff4187
I would like to send collateral with the repayment.
Reason: Cet is red now over 4% of its ATH and the lended btc will be traded now to CET as additional.
When you will send repayment why you will send collateral. You should give collateral while taking loan. And collateral will be refund to you when you will repay the loan. |
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Loan Amount: 0.02BTC
Loan Purpose: I want to increase my funds on trading.
Loan Repay Amount: 0.025BTC
Loan Repay Date: December 15, 2018
Type of Collateral: I have 11490 CETH and I can 10000 as collateral or my account
Escrow profile Link: No
Bitcoin Address: 1ExpLoria7ifci7nnScmdHtEEFTQSAEKRQ
Do, you mean CET or CETH? If CETH then can you please tell where it is trading. I am sorry but could not find it on coinmarketcap. Yes it is CET not CETH typo errors. Collateral is about 150$ in CET Right now price of your collateral is: 0.0226 BTC In this case I can give you maximum 0.017 BTC and repayment will be 0.021 BTC if price goes below 0.021 BTC and you fail to give more collateral then I have to sell you collateral to recover my BTC. If you agree then let me know. I agree with the conditions. If it is erc 20 base wallet then send collateral to the Collateral receive ID: 0x032e9A4385e850C7cC912Ff59B1f47B71B9C75BE (MEW) |
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Loan Amount: 0.02BTC
Loan Purpose: I want to increase my funds on trading.
Loan Repay Amount: 0.025BTC
Loan Repay Date: December 15, 2018
Type of Collateral: I have 11490 CETH and I can 10000 as collateral or my account
Escrow profile Link: No
Bitcoin Address: 1ExpLoria7ifci7nnScmdHtEEFTQSAEKRQ
Do, you mean CET or CETH? If CETH then can you please tell where it is trading. I am sorry but could not find it on coinmarketcap. Yes it is CET not CETH typo errors. Collateral is about 150$ in CET Right now price of your collateral is: 0.0226 BTC In this case I can give you maximum 0.017 BTC and repayment will be 0.021 BTC if price goes below 0.021 BTC and you fail to give more collateral then I have to sell you collateral to recover my BTC. If you agree then let me know. |
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Loan Amount: 0.02BTC
Loan Purpose: I want to increase my funds on trading.
Loan Repay Amount: 0.025BTC
Loan Repay Date: December 15, 2018
Type of Collateral: I have 11490 CETH and I can 10000 as collateral or my account
Escrow profile Link: No
Bitcoin Address: 1ExpLoria7ifci7nnScmdHtEEFTQSAEKRQ
Do, you mean CET or CETH? If CETH then can you please tell where it is trading. I am sorry but could not find it on coinmarketcap. |
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Loan Amount: 0.03 Loan Purpose: Private Loan Repay Amount: 0.033 Loan Repay Date: 30 Oct 2018 Type of Collateral: None Escrow profile Link: - Bitcoin Address: 1NBZ25Fr84neNeCPdtSZvd6Gh1QKESMW2a (*this address are, deposited to exchanger at indonesia), I've deal with it. -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Today October 19, 2018, Im PuraPuraBego Apply for loan to service's shasan.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1XNRoNLRSRWUWR9DK6pWRLKN3P5qhVCTD
G5iy0mMJN/0h08BguJZqMmlyI6qHD8bz6uvi8A+rFspmKHxa1wufVrywns0VwdRsoTsb90O/pkFJQAE+AaVQ2G0=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signature: Verified. Loan request: Accepted. BTC Sent Trx: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/d78b521f3c69850d4e21fdc3adbaa377f08f06f51dad415ad36ee3130a406b6cRepayment at: bc1qe49zeuwmg8whqa26jgn5pzm6ul4fzpdccz9s4l Please send repayment to 1NUdRmchV7vh2Gb2nqnrN6yTjLgyftuo83 as you cant send repayment from exchange. |
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Loan Amount: 0.04
Loan Purpose: need to pay bill.
Loan Repay Amount: 0.0425
Loan Repay Date: 7 days
Type of Collateral: none or my account bitcointalk
Escrow profile Link: none
Bitcoin Address: 1KWWxPMTdfPpahHTo1YMaww48YPKv7aSoQ
I am sorry base on your reputation I cant give you loan without collateral or taking collateral this bitcointalk account.  |
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Loan repayed. Here is the tx ID: cedce2d025fcc9a19134df3e282d7ee308ce6f647c5c89108ffb3c6173d01b22 Message from 1864jXLSdbZq319oQScCNG1m7nLYbGHuBX: Today's date: 31st October. I have sent your repayment. tx: cedce2d025fcc9a19134df3e282d7ee308ce6f647c5c89108ffb3c6173d01b22 Please send my collateral (my bitcointalk account nutildah) back. Base 64 encoded: ICTl4Kwe6SduuvhE5pZbVF1VFt2AIsv1vDRTHaFTH2cXUOVJF7VI47smpyLRxsmbAci7SGLYcHv/FLaJJyMCHL0= Thanks Shasan! I highly recommend his loan service, will no doubt use again in the future. Yes, repaid in full and on time. Thanks a lots for repaying on time without any problem. Don't hesitate to let me know if I can help you anything else. |
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i sent just 2.49 usd my pm id is U17062416 send me 1.90 usd pls
BTC received. PM sent.  Once you receive, confirm it and lock the thread to avoid signature spammer. You can see lock option at left of the bottom. Edit: thanks u
Welcome. I noticed you have not locked the thread. Anyway, as you confirmed I am unfollowing this thread. So from now I would not be able to response any post of this thread. |
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small perfect money i sent btc
How many BTC dollars you want to send and how many PM $ you want to take. If you tell details then anyone would be able to know and will knock you if they need it. micro exchanger,sent 0.000440 (2.75 usd ) and i want just 2 usd pm You can send to bc1qe49zeuwmg8whqa26jgn5pzm6ul4fzpdccz9s4l Once you send I can give 2$ PM. errro adress i sent a pm That means you are trying to send from exchange. Anyway, you can send to 1CMZwtj9LYEYkZHjYJXC3TyuN47xVa8v5i Note: not received any PM. Edit: Received PM and responded. |
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small perfect money i sent btc
How many BTC dollars you want to send and how many PM $ you want to take. If you tell details then anyone would be able to know and will knock you if they need it. micro exchanger,sent 0.000440 (2.75 usd ) and i want just 2 usd pm You can send to bc1qe49zeuwmg8whqa26jgn5pzm6ul4fzpdccz9s4l Once you send I can give 2$ PM. |
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small perfect money i sent btc
How many BTC dollars you want to send and how many PM $ you want to take. If you tell details then anyone would be able to know and will knock you if they need it. |
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