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741  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: coinsafe.io - bitcoin&litecoin wallet, 2-Factor, Private Key Dump, Phone Support on: November 22, 2013, 04:53:43 PM
See here.
742  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Coinkite.com, Finally All Together, Wallet + POS + Debit Cards on: November 22, 2013, 04:52:15 PM
Building a WoT presence would be a good idea.
743  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BTC-Exchange.info - Thank you for transactions over 5.000 USD! on: November 22, 2013, 04:39:59 PM
Hi. You might try starting with a presentation of your "business" (or a link to such a presentation). Though it's likely your best bet would be to start here.
744  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) on: November 22, 2013, 04:37:06 PM
As far as I can tell, the dissenters in this thread are either confused, exposed (i.e. shareholders), or bribed. There has been a lot of name calling, but there has not been one coherent argument as to why my bet should not be refunded.

Because fuck you, that's why. What more do you need?

You're the dissenter. Stop trying to misrepresent yourself as some sort of authority. BitBet is the authority on this matter.

You're the scumbag. Stop trying to misrepresent yourself as some sort of victim. BitBet is the victim, and the fact that it's the victim of your idiocy rather than deliberate malfeasance (you claim) makes no difference.

Having a policy also does not give bitbet the right to steal funds, the same as it wouldn't give bitbet the right to murder people.  Wrong and unlawful is still wrong and unlawful regardless of what policy you have in place.

Except murdering people falls under the jurisdiction of fiat courts, whereas BitBet is its own jurisdiction, stemming from the complete immunity of all things Bitcoin to all things fiat.
745  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitbet.us refuses to refund me a bet on: November 22, 2013, 11:09:11 AM
Ignore the

Lol. Sure, if you've done something once and are unhappy with the results, why not keep right on doing it?

Definitely will work better next time. To the Moon!
746  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitfinex questions on: November 22, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
Bitfinex isn't a scam. I can personally vouch for it.

You're presented with evidence. Claiming anonymously that "you can personally vouch for it" is completely ineffectual.
747  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) on: November 22, 2013, 12:13:01 AM
If you don't want people to bet right before the bet ends, then simply reduce the potential winnings gradually right near the end.
This is already the case, which shows you still haven't read the FAQ.  Shocked

I am reading the FAQ and if the website is coded this poorly I am amazed anyone in their right mind would use it.

"What if I created a bet address but can't bet right now?

Once you enter a receiving address and are given a send-to address, you have 3 days (72 hours) to send your bet. If your bet does not make it within 72 hours then that address will be reclaimed. BitBet will be unable to send you your BTC back, as they will have probably been allocated to someone else's bet! Always make sure that you send your first bet on a created address within 3 days of its creation. "


You happen to be wrong, on both scores. Your wrongness has been happily entered into the record, we can lol at it in a few years, np.
748  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 22, 2013, 12:07:29 AM
Well when I said that of BoB I'm assuming that someone that runs the site has access to all the private keys of all the address and the database that states which address belongs to which user; and that such person is willing to do all the verification and sign a message with the involved address stating it belongs to person x and that it should be refunded to address z. Other than lack of willingness I don't see why it couldn't be done.



The only court which might have had any authority here would have been the Rota. Unfortunately, that died.
Wut? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Rota?

http://trilema.com/category/rota/

But good call, I hear that was the reference.
749  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 22, 2013, 12:00:54 AM
Hopefully, they will spread the word that BitBet is a scam site run by thieves.
Which is false, but I understand guess blackmail is OK with you.
What you should know is that you're far from the first wanting to do that. What do you think would happen if any company catered towards any of those requests?

You do realize no one was able to provide a valid argument which makes bitbet's policy a legit reason for keeping those btc, right? So far in the whole post every time it was questioned all the answers where insults. I hope you can clarify from a technical point of view why this is valid.

The BitBet policy needs no "legit reason". It IS the policy. That's it, what BitBet says is what is. No "legit"-ing around by unrelated parties on forums can change what the policy is.

Re-read my posts in this thread and copy them by hand on your notebook. They're not optional for you, they're mandatory.

You do realize that not agreeing with someone's policy is not enough to build a court case?
The policy is there, if you don't agree don't use the site. But if you call it "theft", you're a scammer.
I don't think you understand how policies work in court.  A court would never uphold a policy that states "I have the right to steal your money," which is effectivly what bitbet's policy says.


The only court which might have had any authority here would have been the Rota. Unfortunately, that died. So whatever, GLWT.

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5.1. This contract is the sole and complete agreement between the parties. It may not be modified by third parties, irrespective if said parties should style themselves "court of law", "judge" or otherwise.

From, you know, the contract.
750  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 21, 2013, 03:29:25 PM
I'm not referring to bitcoin or blockchain timing. I talk about bet closed time in bitbet.us. If they just reject those last 30 minute (even confirmed) bets, I think this will keep away cheater's bets and scammers.

So if BitBet clock shows 10:45, what time is it on arbitrary bet #6705's clock?

I'm sure there's solutions. But seems like they like the actual betting system.

The problem with the world is that the clueless are always sure of various things.
751  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 21, 2013, 03:02:26 PM
This could be solved easily I think . Their rules could include this for ex: all bets entered 30 minutes before bet outcome is known will be cancelled and refunded with a 1%.

Timing does not work in Bitcoin the way you intuitively imagine it would.

In fact the reason the blockchain even exists in the first place is that timing and synchronicity issues have no easy solution.
752  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 21, 2013, 03:00:12 PM
There are way to many companies like this in Bitcoin. We need to stop supporting these crooked business practices if we want bitcoin to succeed.

You are roughly in the position of a Colorado bug on a potato plant discussing what "we" should be doing if "we" wish agriculture to succeed.

Shut the fuck up and get lost. You're not even part of Bitcoin in the first place. And the reason Bitcoin doth succeed has a way lot more to do with MP than you can begin to comprehend.
753  Economy / Securities / Re: Call from the SEC? on: November 21, 2013, 09:55:55 AM
It turns out I'm not the only one - I didn't end up speaking to them but I've received a PM from someone else who also received a call but wanted to remain anonymous...

They are looking into bitfunder for sure, and possibly assets which were listed on bitfunder. Unfortunately I don't know more than that because I never received the callback, but the phone number I was called from was definitely from the SEC HQ.

This is pretty much the definition of FUD. Either disclose full details so they can be scrutinized or else save your vague suggestions (lamely peppered with "definitely" as though your personal assurance can replace data) for the coffee shop.
754  Economy / Securities / Re: Solid Securities Thread on: November 21, 2013, 09:44:55 AM
sorry guys, I won't feed the crossing dressing troll, anymore.

Your personal fantasies about me and the world at large don't have any impact on reality. This is a thread about securities, on a securities subforum, and we're discussing things Bitcoin, not the anguish born of your inability to read and understand.
755  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 21, 2013, 09:00:42 AM
Seems that we're having only one lone idiot here, and that's you. Do you see how many people are against you?

Who asked you anything? Speak when spoken to, fuckwit.

@davout I love it how they quote rettardit as the source of the method to avoid doublespends that Satoshi Dice pioneered.

You know, the MPEx Satoshi Dice.
756  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 21, 2013, 08:55:37 AM
I'm a little confused here, didn't he bet before the bet closed?  How does a transaction delay retroactively affect the time he placed his bet?

No, he did not bet before the bet closed. He did some gymnastics which he imagines should count. They don't.

Roughly equivalent would be the guy going to the insurance company after his house burned down and saying "but you know, I rubbed my nose right before the fire started, CLEARLY!!!! that means I was going to pay you the premium, I should be covered!"

And then being told he's nuts, and just sticking to his story, repeating it again and again, as if that did anything. As if life is some sort of contest of who stuffs his ears tighter and yells "no u" for longer.

However, this isn't fiat world run by daddy government, where even the last subhuman piece of shit retard is guaranteed survival irrespective of any practical consideration, strictly on the basis that he may vote, and so he may call customer support and abuse the staff with impunity, and then call 911 because his hamburger wasn't well done enough or whatever.

You don't vote here, not by headcount anyway. This is Bitcoin - which is to say a republic not a democracy, which is to say Sparta - run by MP & co, where you either know what you're doing, learn what you're doing, or get lost.

Consequently, fuckwits that clearly don't know what they're doing get told so, and if instead of humbly accepting they were stupid, eating up their punishment - their punishment - and becoming better doobies for the future they "revolt" and "organize boycotts" in their own head and so on and so forth the result is strictly more punishment, mostly in the form of public humiliation and mockery.

Don't be this retard starting the thread here, or any other one of the long string of retards that ran into a well made service - a very well made service - with a headful of mistaken assumptions and got trampled into mush to date. Be the smart guy that learns what Bitcoin is, and what crypto means, and how blockchains work, and why they work that way, and what the WoT is, and why it's important, and what identity is, and why that's important, and what business is, and how it works, and how it works that way, and why it has to work that way and so on and so forth.

That's what I'm here doing, hundreds of hours a month, on MPOE's dime, telling you the whys and wherefores of all that so that you collectively, the "community" of retards congregated on retardstalk, the retard forum inhabited by retards, may become over time less retarded and who knows, maybe even productive, useful members of the actual Bitcoin community. One in ten would already be a grand victory at the rate we're going.

One in ten. Look through my two year long posting history for fucks sake, look at all the idiots that knew better than me on the strength of Dunning–Kruger's affliction. There's a crowd each month, and then they disappear and a new crowd takes over. Exactly the same stupidity, under new names, sputtered by new people, identical to the old. Follow their histories, write a book. Don't be the mayfly that lives out its illusion for a summer, don't be the blade of grass to be replaced by an identical blade of grass every time a goat comes by and snips it. Use that noggin, be a human being already.

You want to know what the biggest obstacle is? The braindamaged, boneheaded assumption of every fuckwit that heard about Bitcoin a month ago, or a week ago, or whenever the last time fiat went down against it was, who now imagines he knows what everything is. That's what's keeping you all poor and irrelevant, not the fact that others were here first, not the fact that you didn't hear about it back when people mined it on their desktop. None of that, it's not something external, it's something quite internal: your mistaken assumptions, chief among which that you matter, and chief among which that you know shit you haven't the first clue about. Get rid of these!

Be the guy that LISTENS when MP says to him "Is this your first time? Well so then start small". Don't be the guy that SAYS "sounds like a fine plan" but then DOESN'T DO IT! Because you think you know better. You don't know better.

Bitcoin is a contest of wits. The fate of the witless is this: anger, frustration, failure. Don't be that guy.

If you want bitbet to end; make a better competitor. otherwise deal with it

Yeah, like that fractool guy.

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Sep 07 19:23:55 <mircea_popescu>   yes yes, i get you, "the people" know, which is to say the various "different identities" of whatever random trolls, and you'll make a better communist version of bitbet with 0% fees and direct access to the definitive truths.

I'm also confused by this. Double spending is not a concern, with proper precaution (see this reddit thread). Rudimentary game theory makes it abundantly clear that I wasn't attempting to double spend a losing bet.

You're not confused, you're just one of the scummy fucks that imagines interested blindness is a valuable argument to bring. Bonus points for having quoted reddit as some sort of source, lmao. Meanwhile back at Reality Ranch:

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Nov 21 00:46:20 <mircea_popescu>   Before Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) addressed his colleagues about Bitcoin Tuesday, he did what any person in power who's a little confused about a complicated should do.
Nov 21 00:46:20 <mircea_popescu>   He went to the experts. Specifically, he went to Reddit's r/Bitcoin to ask them what the fuss was about.
Nov 21 00:46:21 <mircea_popescu>   ahahahaha
Nov 21 00:46:25 <mircea_popescu>   o.m.f.g.
Nov 21 00:46:31 <pankkake>   this is gold
Nov 21 00:46:37 <mircea_popescu>   this is like... almost better than bitcointalk
Nov 21 00:46:49 <mircea_popescu>   Those redditors, as redditors are wont to do, offered a mixed bag of responses. Some were flippant, some mistook him for Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.),
Nov 21 00:46:53 <mircea_popescu>   totally. they're the experts.
Nov 21 00:47:24 <nubbins`>   couple of morans
Nov 21 00:47:41 <nubbins`>   http://moranswithsigns.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/moran-sign.jpg
Nov 21 00:49:00 *   iamnot_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
Nov 21 00:52:08 <assbot>   [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1435 @ 0.001045 = 1.4996 BTC [-]
Nov 21 00:54:04 <thestringpuller>   lol what would you expect from reddit?

Reddit is possibly the only place on the web with an even higher concentration of stupid than here. And since we're on this: #bitcoin-assets is not "BitBet irc", #bitcoin-assets is where people representing a majority of Bitcoins in circulation hang out. That place is where the law of the land comes from, that's where the future is drawn up. When MP doesn't want Bitcoin over 100, it's that irc chan where he first says something. When people want Bitcoin over 500 it's that chan where they come and ask if it's okay. When MtGox's slaughter is decided that's where it's first hinted at, and generally, everything that you find about a week after on Reddit was pre-announced a week or a month in advance on #bitcoin-assets.

You'd better LURK there for a while, and read the logs every day for six months to a year before you even say anything about anything. Show some respect to your betters --and make no mistake about it: the people there ARE your betters.

You should return the coins to all affected users and change your ridiculous policy.

To quote MP,

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Since we’re doing “I would likes”, here’s mine : I would like to fuck your wife (due to you being an idiot). If you don’t have one (which’d be unfortunate but perhaps not unexplainable) please get married asap. I expect to receive this wife of yours at the following address : 1wilfulstupidityrules1337, and let me point out to you that by failing to inform me of the vital information of whether you’re married or not and also failing to provide tits in time you’re now to gtfo.
757  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 21, 2013, 12:51:19 AM
you're the bottom feeder here. fair enough there are lot of stupid people at this stage that a fat fuck like you can rip off. well done you are slightly more intelligent than an average moron.

the people i respect are the people can build a real, honest, profitable gambling site and exchange without the need to rip off and trick users.  You aren't capable of that. How does that feel?I know you pretend to not care and shroud it all in the users deserves what they get but KNOWING that you can't profit without ripping people off must at least cross your radar.

You're just a bottom feeder. A low level psychopath. Enjoy your 6 grand.

Dude, lay off already. The rule is there because without it, scummy fucks just try to rip off the people that actually bet and undertake the risks by swooping in at the last minute.

The lulzy thing is, of course, that even WITH the rule scummy fucks try to rip off the people that actually bet and take the risks, by swooping in at the last minute. The only difference is that it doesn't work, and sometimes it doesn't work in such spectacular fireworky manner that the butthurt can be heard from outer space.

Except there's no sympathy for the hurt butt of a wanna-be rip-off that failed at it and got hurt. You know?
758  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 21, 2013, 12:03:02 AM
Please direct all further refund requests to BitBet's authorized refund handling agent, Mr. David Thorne, esq.
759  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 20, 2013, 11:48:00 PM
1. Stop pretending you are a woman
2. Stop pretending you are MPOE's PR executive
3. Stop eating so much you fat bastard

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I looked at bitbet and liked the idea but a site that would rather rip someone off for 6k rather than build a customer base is no site at all.

Stop pretending you have a brain.
760  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Terrible Experience with Bets of Bitcoin / Bitbet on: November 20, 2013, 11:41:08 PM
It's spelled through you know.
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