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7581  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 09:27:53 AM
Edit: I will give you one more hint. Bitcoin's design conflated what is centralized with what can be decentralized, thus causing the entire design to have a centralized final destiny. The solution is to unconflate.

It is sort of like how we felt when we read Satoshi's whitepaper, "why didn't I think of that!". Adam Back's hashcash concept was already known. The Satoshi Proof-of-Work was a fairly obvious step, but yet no one saw it until he published.

When this hit me in the forehead, my reaction was "this is sort of obvious, it must have a flaw because surely someone else thought of this before". So I as I dug into potential pitfalls it became more clear to me why others may not have entertained this idea before. The key is that true decentralization arises from careful use of centralization and that is what I believe makes the concept non-obvious, even though once it is revealed it seems quite simple and obvious.
7582  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 09, 2015, 09:25:54 AM
Edit: I will give you one more hint. Bitcoin's design conflated what is centralized with what can be decentralized, thus causing the entire design to have a centralized final destiny. The solution is to unconflate.

It is sort of like how we felt when we read Satoshi's whitepaper, "why didn't I think of that!". Adam Back's hashcash concept was already known. The Satoshi Proof-of-Work was a fairly obvious step, but yet no one saw it until he published.

When this hit me in the forehead, my reaction was "this is sort of obvious, it must have a flaw because surely someone else thought of this before". So I as I dug into potential pitfalls it became more clear to me why others may not have entertained this idea before. The key is that true decentralization arises from careful use of centralization and that is what I believe makes the concept non-obvious, even though once it is revealed it seems quite simple and obvious.
7583  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 08:10:30 AM
Armstrong finally sets the exact date of the global collapse.

Again, the notion that so ominous a body as your "NWO" (TPTB_need_war) would engineer a system (be it a computer or financial system) without a net jutting out of the cliff face (below the proverbial "cliff's edge") is patently absurd.

Of course they have a net to arrest the collapse (but not until after the necessary suffering and war to get the capitulation of nation-state sovereignty they demand). The collapse is to scare everyone into the one-world reserve currency monetary reset outcome.

Bitcoin is part of the plan to move us to centrally controlled digital money.
7584  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 07:49:04 AM
As for “...the worst of what is coming won't kick in until after 2016...” do you think this is still the case with the UK and Europe? I kind of got the impression that America would be going through what we will around 18 months afterwards.

Yeah but for as long as the safe haven of USA is still standing then won't that provide a some buffer against total collapse? The wealthy Europeans can move their capital out to the USA. It is when the USA turns down hard, that the world will really be chaotic.

Armstrong finally sets the exact date of the global collapse.

http://www.welt.de/finanzen/geldanlage/article140550440/Es-wird-zu-einem-grossen-Crash-kommen.html

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Armstrong: There's nothing left, where you can tuck his money in good conscience. Maybe it will again give you the opportunity in America after the bursting of the sovereign debt bubble [after October 1, 2015], after a pullback in equities to enter. But then at some point it's over.

Die Welt: What does your model?

Armstrong: The great crash will come. 2017 or 2018th

If anyone can speak German and give us a more accurate translation, that might be useful.
7585  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: May 09, 2015, 07:45:17 AM
Armstrong finally sets the exact date of the global collapse.

http://www.welt.de/finanzen/geldanlage/article140550440/Es-wird-zu-einem-grossen-Crash-kommen.html

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Armstrong: There's nothing left, where you can tuck his money in good conscience. Maybe it will again give you the opportunity in America after the bursting of the sovereign debt bubble [after October 1, 2015], after a pullback in equities to enter. But then at some point it's over.

Die Welt: What does your model?

Armstrong: The great crash will come. 2017 or 2018th

If anyone can speak German and give us a more accurate translation, that might be useful.
7586  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: May 09, 2015, 07:36:10 AM
Contagion has begun in Europe. The German long bond has broken.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/archives/30345

Appears this was just the warning of what is to come after October 1.
7587  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 07:31:31 AM
Quote from: Emil Protalinski link=http://www.techspot.com/news/41643-intels-sandy-bridge-processors-have-a-remote-kill-switch.html
Intel's new Sandy Bridge processors have a new feature that the chip giant is calling Anti-Theft 3.0. The processor can be disabled even if the computer has no Internet connection or isn't even turned on, over a 3G network.

FUD.

I know the hardware is compromised but not to the degree you are thinking.
7588  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 07:08:46 AM
Clever but no the solution is paradigmatic or algorithmic and not related to hardware.

You mean to say, then, that you will execute these algorithms in your mind and network via telepathy?

"Solution" means a change from the existing. Code will still run on hardware, but the nature of the changes required have nothing to with any role that hardware plays.

I understand from what you wrote upthread that you may think that for as long as we use the establishment's hardware, then we can't win, and I emphatically disagree (and have very sound reasons for disagreeing which I will not detail now).
7589  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 06:55:26 AM


Clever but no the solution is paradigmatic or algorithmic and not related to hardware.
7590  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 06:51:58 AM
To raise real money, you are going to have to lay out some version or other of a Business Plan that would be credible to many.  Else, you limit your "Investor Universe" to very few...  Unless you find an angel investor who understands what you are doing and can pony up the amount you need to do it.

Which maybe you can!  Good luck!

I thought I had a $millionaire angel investor (who understands crypto because he is a computer science guy) until he got sick with Multiple Sclerosis too and got most of his coins stolen. But who knows, maybe he was just a scammer.

I think if I revealed everything in public to try to teach people like you at this juncture, then I might as well just hand my ideas to others to steal from me. Then what is the point?

And the time I would expend doing all that, would be better be spent implementing the damn thing.

I only put out a feeler to see if anyone could part with a measly $10,000 because you all keep asking me if I am going to implement something and I told you I would like to work on it if I had sufficient finances.

Heck I paid $30,000 for a week's programming work in 2001, when the dollar was worth 1/2 or 1/3 of what it is today.

We have the chance to totally change the world and become $billionaires and no one has $10,000 to spare. Fucking amazing.

So please don't ask me again why I am not talking about what I am working on or whatever. Why should I bother?
7591  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 06:42:48 AM
Looks like this is not so simple after all....

http://gavinandresen.ninja/utxo-uhoh

The can-kick might only be to 2 or 3MB while efficiencies in UTXO storage are worked on.

There is a fundamental design error. They are just farting around the edges without going to the heart-of-the-matter, which is that transactions need to be orthogonal to blocks.

Bitcoin is headed towards centralization at a few servers. It was designed that way!

What do you mean by the bolded part?

So what do I get for revealing the details now (versus working in private to implement and earn money on an altcoin)?

I have solved the design problem. I now know the Holy Grail design we need for crypto-currency.

I will give you one hint. Adjustments to difficulty are no longer critical.

Edit: I will give you one more hint. Bitcoin's design conflated what is centralized with what can be decentralized, thus causing the entire design to have a centralized final destiny. The solution is to unconflate.
7592  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 09, 2015, 06:39:51 AM
Looks like this is not so simple after all....

http://gavinandresen.ninja/utxo-uhoh

The can-kick might only be to 2 or 3MB while efficiencies in UTXO storage are worked on.

There is a fundamental design error. They are just farting around the edges without going to the heart-of-the-matter, which is that transactions need to be orthogonal to blocks.

Bitcoin is headed towards centralization at a few servers. It was designed that way!

What do you mean by the bolded part?

So what do I get for revealing the details now (versus working in private to implement and earn money on an altcoin)?

I have solved the design problem. I now know the Holy Grail design we need for crypto-currency.

I will give you one hint. Adjustments to difficulty are no longer critical.

Edit: I will give you one more hint. Bitcoin's design conflated what is centralized with what can be decentralized, thus causing the entire design to have a centralized final destiny. The solution is to unconflate.
7593  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 06:36:10 AM
There is a fundamental design error. They are just farting around the edges without going to the heart-of-the-matter, which is that transactions need to be orthogonal to blocks.

Bitcoin is headed towards centralization at a few servers. It was designed that way!
Is that you MofG anyway I'm Breaking the rule to not post under the influence.

So on that point and in the words of the creator

Quote from: Satoshi
The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime

Quote from: Satoshi
Yes, (we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography), but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years

I am the former AnonyMint.

I agree with Satoshi. Even though Bitcoin is destined by design to become the centralized bankster coin that they (the DEEP STATE or NSA) commissioned, it can for the time being be used anonymously if careful and it is the reserve currency of the altcoins and thus is building an altcoin ecosystem wherein the superior design can be realized.

Perhaps "Satoshi" outsmarted his handlers. That would be historically the wise way an engineer would fool those he works for (knowing that they would continue without him anyway).
7594  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 06:35:20 AM
EveryMany trades need a loser and a winner. So I have to be thankful that some want to be the loser.

EveryMany trades needsbenefit from two winners.  Otherwise its not a trade - a rape perhaps.

Kudos, I did edit my statement to fix the error. (I tend to think of win-win more in the realm of joining a positive investment together not as trade). But you made the same error again, so I corrected your statement also.

When someone buys gold and someone sells gold, then gold either appreciates or depreciates, there is only one winner and one loser in terms of the ROI.

However it is more complex than that of course because the entities may have other constraints to maximize, such as timing, liquidity, etc.. And in general a trade can also be for something both parties need, e.g. you give me cash and I give you good or service, then I use that cash to replenish inventory.

I do understand your point that the best trades are win-win, unfortunately if you always defined a market trade that way, you would be married to Marxism (the ability to guarantee and control outcomes) and thus you would be in lose-lose trajectory holistically.

I understand that you are promoting win-win scenarios (and I don't disagree with trying to be involved in positive scenarios), but even if two parties think it is win-win, they aren't in entire control of that. Only later can they determine whether it was.

A trade shouldn't bind me to promises of what I can't promise.

Sorry I have to disagree with you for the most part. You are leaning communist if you really meant every trade must be win-win.
7595  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 09, 2015, 06:27:28 AM
You are violating the fundamental tenet of Satoshi's white paper which is decentralized trust, meaning we don't have to trust that people are honest.
Have you even read the Bitcoin whitepaper?

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The incentive may help encourage nodes to stay honest. If a greedy attacker is able to assemble more CPU power than all the honest nodes, he would have to choose between using it to defraud people by stealing back his payments, or using it to generate new coins. He ought to find it more profitable to play by the rules, such rules that favour him with more new coins than everyone else combined, than to undermine the system and the validity of his own wealth.

You've always been the disingenuous debater in every discussion I've ever had with you.

You know damn well that Satoshi's major invention was Proof-of-Work in Section 4 as solution to the Byzantine General's Problem of how to trust an outcome without trusting the participants.

The above Satoshi quote as an aside at the bottom of section 6 (not even the main point of section 6) is stating that the abnormal case of 50% attack where Proof-of-Work fails would disincentivized if the entities doing the attack also is vested in a lot of coins. But that doesn't even cover the case where the entities doing the attack don't have a lot of coins.

Sheesh you and your wise cracks. You know damn well I read the whitepaper.
7596  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 09, 2015, 06:18:23 AM
There is a fundamental design error. They are just farting around the edges without going to the heart-of-the-matter, which is that transactions need to be orthogonal to blocks.

Bitcoin is headed towards centralization at a few servers. It was designed that way!
Is that you MofG anyway I'm Breaking the rule to not post under the influence.

So on that point and in the words of the creator

Quote from: Satoshi
The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime

Quote from: Satoshi
Yes, (we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography), but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years

I am the former AnonyMint.

I agree with Satoshi. Even though Bitcoin is destined by design to become the centralized bankster coin that they (the DEEP STATE or NSA) commissioned, it can for the time being be used anonymously if careful and it is the reserve currency of the altcoins and thus is building an altcoin ecosystem wherein the superior design can be realized.

Perhaps "Satoshi" outsmarted his handlers. That would be historically the wise way an engineer would fool those he works for (knowing that they would continue without him anyway).
7597  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 06:08:00 AM
Buy this.  Sell that.  Watch what happens here for opportunity.  Stay away from there to avoid risk.  Learn about this.  Consider this place, but not that one.  Simple things.

Buy a lot more crypto-currency than gold, in the range of a 10-to-1 ratio.

Watch for someone who can solve the SEVERE (see my prior two posts) fundamental problems that haven't been solved by any of the existing crypto-coins, including Bitcoin and Monero.

If that someone succeeds, buy with both fists like there is no tomorrow. Sit back and smoke a cigar.

Other areas of diversification I will not comment on other than what I replied to CoinCube that all those assets will probably not be anonymous. I am only speaking about anonymous assets gold vs. crypto.
7598  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 05:59:28 AM
How Bitcoin becomes the bankster coin by design...

from gmax:

"So far the mining ecosystem has become incredibly centralized over time."

i totally disagree.  the trend has been back towards decentralization since ghash and ghash has been punished accordingly by the market down to a measly 3.6%.  what i see in this graph is a normal, expected distribution gradient from large to small share.  btw, gmax has been complaining about mining centralization since at least 2012 but yet here we are.  why do we accept his arguments on this when there hasn't been one major incident of a 51% attack?:

How do you know the owners of the former double-digit pools don't control several of the single digit percentage pools, i.e. a Sybil attack is present?

How do you know that the owners are not purposefully attempting to distribute their miners across several different pools (all under the same management), i.e. a Sybil attack is present?

The fact that there isn't a visible attack (Sybil attacks are often invisible) doesn't impart any information on whether Bitcoin pools are becoming owned by a few. You can attempt to make the argument (below) that control over the pools isn't a problem, but that is a sometimes orthogonal argument to whether Bitcoin pools are centralized.

What people seem to keep missing in this "mining is centralized" claim, is that pools are not miners. They are services with ZERO barriers to entry and exit from the mining community.

ZERO barriers means a Sybil attack is plausible.

ZERO barriers often implies there is no way to defend market-share and profits. Thus it is a power vacuum to be exploited by those who don't want profits, but rather willing to lose money because they want control (and external profits from that control).

As long as there is ONE honest P2P node who would publicly flag that a pool was behaving badly (an assumption I believe will always be true), then the pools can not abuse their position.

If the pools have 50% of the hashrate, then any flag from a minority is ignored. Do you mean make a political statement to the miners imploring them to stop using the offending pools?

So what if the pool owners distribute their miners across 100s of pools they own (which appears to me to be what they have done). You going to play political Whack-A-Mole? Sybil attacks are very difficult to deal with.



And more so implausible game of Whack-A-Mole when they aren't do any falsification, rather just refusing to include certain ("unapproved") transactions. As their hashrate approaches 100%, the have a Digital Kill Switch on humanity.

And what do you do when the government has dictated that only registered and licensed entities can be pools? Then the ZERO cost shifts to INFINITE cost for those who don't sell out to those in control of the power vacuum of the democracy-lie.

If any corrupt pool, or collection of corrupt pools, tried to falsify the record, it would immediately become public and that pool would lose most of it's miners in a matter of hours. Miners could simply switch to another honest pool, and there will always be an honest pool to switch to.

This would completely destroy the future profit stream for an established pool. Why the heck would anyone try this, especially given that it would be a futile effort?

+100 Mining is decentralized QED.

If they are wise they do the falsifications from 100s of smaller pools with a Sybil attack. This forces you to the bigger pools with reputations, then they can do it from the bigger pools too.

How can you win? If a pool establishes a good reputation and is not part of the cartel, they will use the same methods they used to capture monopolies else where such as murdering the owners if necessary or more simply just offering pools free-of-charge or even pay miners extra to mine at their pools driving the honest pools bankrupt.

Sorry you can not win.

Bitcoin is fatally flawed and will end up a centralized bankster coin. I warned that in 2013. See my linked essay above.
7599  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 09, 2015, 05:54:58 AM
from gmax:

"So far the mining ecosystem has become incredibly centralized over time."

i totally disagree.  the trend has been back towards decentralization since ghash and ghash has been punished accordingly by the market down to a measly 3.6%.  what i see in this graph is a normal, expected distribution gradient from large to small share.  btw, gmax has been complaining about mining centralization since at least 2012 but yet here we are.  why do we accept his arguments on this when there hasn't been one major incident of a 51% attack?:

How do you know the owners of the former double-digit pools don't control several of the single digit percentage pools, i.e. a Sybil attack is present?

How do you know that the owners are not purposefully attempting to distribute their miners across several different pools (all under the same management), i.e. a Sybil attack is present?

The fact that there isn't a visible attack (Sybil attacks are often invisible) doesn't impart any information on whether Bitcoin pools are becoming owned by a few. You can attempt to make the argument (below) that control over the pools isn't a problem, but that is a sometimes orthogonal argument to whether Bitcoin pools are centralized.

What people seem to keep missing in this "mining is centralized" claim, is that pools are not miners. They are services with ZERO barriers to entry and exit from the mining community.

ZERO barriers means a Sybil attack is plausible.

ZERO barriers often implies there is no way to defend market-share and profits. Thus it is a power vacuum to be exploited by those who don't want profits, but rather willing to lose money because they want control (and external profits from that control).

As long as there is ONE honest P2P node who would publicly flag that a pool was behaving badly (an assumption I believe will always be true), then the pools can not abuse their position.

If the pools have 50% of the hashrate, then any flag from a minority is ignored. Do you mean make a political statement to the miners imploring them to stop using the offending pools?

So what if the pool owners distribute their miners across 100s of pools they own (which appears to me to be what they have done). You going to play political Whack-A-Mole? Sybil attacks are very difficult to deal with.



And more so implausible game of Whack-A-Mole when they aren't do any falsification, rather just refusing to include certain ("unapproved") transactions. As their hashrate approaches 100%, the have a Digital Kill Switch on humanity.

And what do you do when the government has dictated that only registered and licensed entities can be pools? Then the ZERO cost shifts to INFINITE cost for those who don't sell out to those in control of the power vacuum of the democracy-lie.

If any corrupt pool, or collection of corrupt pools, tried to falsify the record, it would immediately become public and that pool would lose most of it's miners in a matter of hours. Miners could simply switch to another honest pool, and there will always be an honest pool to switch to.

This would completely destroy the future profit stream for an established pool. Why the heck would anyone try this, especially given that it would be a futile effort?

+100 Mining is decentralized QED.

If they are wise they do the falsifications from 100s of smaller pools with a Sybil attack. This forces you to the bigger pools with reputations, then they can do it from the bigger pools too.

How can you win? If a pool establishes a good reputation and is not part of the cartel, they will use the same methods they used to capture monopolies else where such as murdering the owners if necessary or more simply just offering pools free-of-charge or even pay miners extra to mine at their pools driving the honest pools bankrupt.

Sorry you can not win.

Bitcoin is fatally flawed and will end up a centralized bankster coin. I warned that in 2013. See my linked essay above.
7600  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: May 09, 2015, 04:23:45 AM
When you all are ready to get serious then ping me.

2.  i think that the majority of ppl in this world want to be honest and wish to live in a society that has order.  no one wants to live in chaos.  everybody loses.  in order for society to continue to progress and evolve, order, dependability, and a semblance of honesty is needed.  thus, in a system with so much potential to do good, like Bitcoin, the overwhelming desire is for participants to want to do what makes the system thrive.  to the extent that cheating, dishonesty, and colluding erodes confidence and threatens that goal, most participants will avoid those activities.

That is the same faith we put into a top-down democracy. Fact is a power vacuum sucks in those who can maximize the exploitation of the power vacuum.

You are violating the fundamental tenet of Satoshi's white paper which is decentralized trust, meaning we don't have to trust that people are honest.

You are blacksliding because there doesn't appear to be any solution the fact that pools become concentrated due to the variance cost to them not. It is pure economics.

Now what are the proposed solutions?

If there are none, we are just lying to ourselves and the decentralization is a mirage. And smooth's valuation statement follows accordingly.

As for the scaling of Bitcoin, they will never get there because there are these fundamental problems, such as the design decision to charge a transaction fee and the need to propagate all the transaction data before a new block can be started.

There are fundamental design errors here. Very very fundamental.

Who is going to fix this? And pronto!

Looks like this is not so simple after all....

http://gavinandresen.ninja/utxo-uhoh

The can-kick might only be to 2 or 3MB while efficiencies in UTXO storage are worked on.

There is a fundamental design error. They are just farting around the edges without going to the heart-of-the-matter, which is that transactions need to be orthogonal to blocks.

Bitcoin is headed towards centralization at a few servers. It was designed that way!
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