Economic Devastation

[STT]

Are you literally brain dead? We are heading towards increased perpetual unemployment due automation:

Labelling people as idiots isnt the best demonstration of a good argument.   It seems very likely people have thought or presumed these events before, the industrial revolution was a pretty epic change to the previously mostly agrarian society which was very inefficient.   Computers change everything but it was back then that plain old steam power machines made massive differences, we'll get closer to an accurate description looking at waves of changes not the specific detail, maybe in future we'll be in awe of bio tech and how that changed everything.
   In every case people adapt, was it a video here where I saw human inadequacy compared to horses and how they were replaced - human populations are not comparable to animal livestock as a simple resource and mass unemployment is not a given

[AtheistAKASaneBrain]

Are you literally brain dead? We are heading towards increased perpetual unemployment due automation:

Labelling people as idiots isnt the best demonstration of a good argument.   It seems very likely people have thought or presumed these events before, the industrial revolution was a pretty epic change to the previously mostly agrarian society which was very inefficient.   Computers change everything but it was back then that plain old steam power machines made massive differences, we'll get closer to an accurate description looking at waves of changes not the specific detail, maybe in future we'll be in awe of bio tech and how that changed everything.
   In every case people adapt, was it a video here where I saw human inadequacy compared to horses and how they were replaced - human populations are not comparable to animal livestock as a simple resource and mass unemployment is not a given

Cool beans, but past performance doesn't guarantee future performance "oh see we made it in the past, we can continue having new jobs in the future". This is as far from the truth as it gets. Automation will keep replacing jobs at a faster rate than new jobs can be assimilated. Deal with the new reality.

[TPTB_need_war]

Cool beans, but past performance doesn't guarantee future performance "oh see we made it in the past, we can continue having new jobs in the future". This is as far from the truth as it gets. Automation will keep replacing jobs at a faster rate than new jobs can be assimilated. Deal with the new reality.

Sorry that is incorrect. Technological unemployment is a 78 year cycle that repeats since 6000 B.C.

It is always the same. Humans adapt because technology can't eliminate what makes humans superior to technology:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Algorithm_!=_Entropy

However, the speed of the computing hardware and the sophistication of the software has no relevance because creativity can't be expressed in an algorithm. Every possible model of the brain will lack the fundamental cause of human creativity— every human brain is unique. Thus each of billions of brains is able to contemplate possibilities and scenarios differently enough so that it is more likely at least one brain will contemplate some unique idea that fits each set of possibilities at each point in time.

An algorithm or model can describe what and how to do and even be generalized to respond to unknown future scenarios by observing patterns and deducing rules about its environment, but it can't vary its imperfections nondeterministically, because the input entropy (to the algorithm) is known a priori and is finite. Whereas, for the collection of all human brains, the entropy is unbounded and thus the future can't be predetermined, i.e. isn't deterministic.

Imagine if life was perfect and without chance. Life would be deterministic and could be modeled with an algorithm, then failure couldn't exist, everything would be known in advance, and thus there could be no change that wasn't predictable, i.e. real change wouldn't exist and the universe would be static. Life requires imperfection and unbounded diversity, else life doesn't exist and isn't alive. Equality and perfection are the ambition of the insane who probably don't realize they must destroy life to reach their goal.

Thus the theory that it would be impossible to predict what computers would contemplate is nonsense because the input entropy of the models of the brain will always be finite and deterministic from the time the input entropy is varied.

Pseudo-random number generators are deterministic from the time the seed is changed. Even dynamically capturing entropy from the changing content of the internet would be deterministic from each moment of capture to the next, and the model of capture would be lacking diversity and static (only modified by a human).

[BillyBobZorton]

Cool beans, but past performance doesn't guarantee future performance "oh see we made it in the past, we can continue having new jobs in the future". This is as far from the truth as it gets. Automation will keep replacing jobs at a faster rate than new jobs can be assimilated. Deal with the new reality.

Sorry that is incorrect. Technological unemployment is a 78 year cycle that repeats since 6000 B.C.

It is always the same. Humans adapt because technology can't eliminate what makes humans superior to technology:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Algorithm_!=_Entropy

However, the speed of the computing hardware and the sophistication of the software has no relevance because creativity can't be expressed in an algorithm. Every possible model of the brain will lack the fundamental cause of human creativity— every human brain is unique. Thus each of billions of brains is able to contemplate possibilities and scenarios differently enough so that it is more likely at least one brain will contemplate some unique idea that fits each set of possibilities at each point in time.

An algorithm or model can describe what and how to do and even be generalized to respond to unknown future scenarios by observing patterns and deducing rules about its environment, but it can't vary its imperfections nondeterministically, because the input entropy (to the algorithm) is known a priori and is finite. Whereas, for the collection of all human brains, the entropy is unbounded and thus the future can't be predetermined, i.e. isn't deterministic.

Imagine if life was perfect and without chance. Life would be deterministic and could be modeled with an algorithm, then failure couldn't exist, everything would be known in advance, and thus there could be no change that wasn't predictable, i.e. real change wouldn't exist and the universe would be static. Life requires imperfection and unbounded diversity, else life doesn't exist and isn't alive. Equality and perfection are the ambition of the insane who probably don't realize they must destroy life to reach their goal.

Thus the theory that it would be impossible to predict what computers would contemplate is nonsense because the input entropy of the models of the brain will always be finite and deterministic from the time the input entropy is varied.

Pseudo-random number generators are deterministic from the time the seed is changed. Even dynamically capturing entropy from the changing content of the internet would be deterministic from each moment of capture to the next, and the model of capture would be lacking diversity and static (only modified by a human).

We've been losing jobs ever since automation became a thing, at a faster rate that new jobs are created. You are delusional lol.

[Wekkel]

You are delusional lol.

This is not helpful. Instead, state your case with reference material so we all learn.

[bigtimespaghetti]

You are delusional lol.

This is not helpful. Instead, state your case with reference material so we all learn.

Agreed, surely there is some good data to be pulled on this subject.

I'll admit to just ignoring those that garbage up the thread a lot though. Makes for a better read.

[TPTB_need_war]

We've been losing jobs ever since automation became a thing, at a faster rate that new jobs are created.

This is so incredibly false, anyone who has looked at the job statistics will know that you haven't even researched. You are just spouting off your ignorant mouth without any due diligence.

When you view the chart below, hope you also factor in the enormous rise in the population over the past 100 years! Of course many more jobs have been created than were destroyed, by orders-of-magnitude!

http://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-all-existing-jobs-did-not-exist-100-years-ago

What percentage of all existing jobs did not exist 100 years ago?

So 47% of all jobs are said to disappear within 20 years; Oxford Study info: The Coming 2nd Machine Age that obliterates 47% of all jobs. - Hraba Hospitality Consulting

Then this guy, in response to the study, says he isn't worried about robots taking our jobs, because most of us have jobs that didn't exist 100 years ago. This is Probably a Good Time to Say That I Don’t Believe Robots Will Eat All the Jobs …

And I got a bit baffled and ruffled... my response: +Marc Andreessen: 'This probably a good time to say that I don't believe robots…

as if to say Retail, Construction, Manufacturing, Service Industry, Transportation didn't exist, etc.  VC's get so insulated in their hubris laden world's of confirmation bias and selective perception.

BUT, to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, I started researching and couldn't find this info.  Do any HR or Economist types know real data on this?



Source: History lessons: Understanding the decline in manufacturing

[TPTB_need_war]

Armstrong covered how accurate his 8.6 year model has been since 1985:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/archives/30281

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[TPTB_need_war]

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[TPTB_need_war]

I was having a milder relapse yesterday, so I upped my vitamin D3 dosage to 100,000 IU (and copious water intake) then slept a solid 6 hours. All indications are that my symptoms respond to high dose vitamin D3 and none of the other numerous remedies I experimented with since 2012.

Interesting that filipinos are suffering deficiency, not only because of office jobs, but also because they hate to be their natural brown color and want to be white like us (they go so far as to bleach their skin!).

http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2014/05/19/3-out-of-5-filipinos-suffer-from-vitamin-d-deficiency

This sort of self-help health information is an example of the Knowledge Age in action. There are business opportunities right now for someone to market vitamin D3 as a cure for many ailments. I guarantee you it cures menstruation pain. Every time a lady has this pain coming on, I offer her 5000 IU of vitamin D3 and her pain subsides within an hour. Do you know how much women hate that monthly pain?

[numismatist]

I was having a milder relapse yesterday, so I upped my vitamin D3 dosage to 100,000 IU (and copious water intake) then slept a solid 6 hours. All indications are that my symptoms respond to high dose vitamin D3 and none of the other numerous remedies I experimented with since 2012.

Interesting that filipinos are suffering deficiency, not only because of office jobs, but also because they hate to be their natural brown color and want to be white like us (they go so far as to bleach their skin!).

http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2014/05/19/3-out-of-5-filipinos-suffer-from-vitamin-d-deficiency

This sort of self-help health information is an example of the Knowledge Age in action. There are business opportunities right now for someone to market vitamin D3 as a cure for many ailments. I guarantee you it cures menstruation pain. Every time a lady has this pain coming on, I offer her 5000 IU of vitamin D3 and her pain subsides within an hour. Do you know how much women hate that monthly pain?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premenstrual_syndrome is quite common. However the only vitamine that is really safe to overdose is C

[TPTB_need_war]

I was having a milder relapse yesterday, so I upped my vitamin D3 dosage to 100,000 IU (and copious water intake) then slept a solid 6 hours. All indications are that my symptoms respond to high dose vitamin D3 and none of the other numerous remedies I experimented with since 2012.

Interesting that filipinos are suffering deficiency, not only because of office jobs, but also because they hate to be their natural brown color and want to be white like us (they go so far as to bleach their skin!).

http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2014/05/19/3-out-of-5-filipinos-suffer-from-vitamin-d-deficiency

This sort of self-help health information is an example of the Knowledge Age in action. There are business opportunities right now for someone to market vitamin D3 as a cure for many ailments. I guarantee you it cures menstruation pain. Every time a lady has this pain coming on, I offer her 5000 IU of vitamin D3 and her pain subsides within an hour. Do you know how much women hate that monthly pain?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premenstrual_syndrome is quite common. However the only vitamine that is really safe to overdose is C

5000 IU is not an overdose. Our body produces 20,000 IU per day from sunlight if we expose all our skin.

I am overdosing for my Multiple Sclerosis and being very careful to drink a lot of water. But for PMS, I found 5000 - 10,000 I.U. works well enough.

[TPTB_need_war]

Contagion has begun in Europe. The German long bond has broken.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/archives/30345

[G2M]

I was having a milder relapse yesterday, so I upped my vitamin D3 dosage to 100,000 IU (and copious water intake) then slept a solid 6 hours. All indications are that my symptoms respond to high dose vitamin D3 and none of the other numerous remedies I experimented with since 2012.

Interesting that filipinos are suffering deficiency, not only because of office jobs, but also because they hate to be their natural brown color and want to be white like us (they go so far as to bleach their skin!).

http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2014/05/19/3-out-of-5-filipinos-suffer-from-vitamin-d-deficiency

This sort of self-help health information is an example of the Knowledge Age in action. There are business opportunities right now for someone to market vitamin D3 as a cure for many ailments. I guarantee you it cures menstruation pain. Every time a lady has this pain coming on, I offer her 5000 IU of vitamin D3 and her pain subsides within an hour. Do you know how much women hate that monthly pain?

Spanish immigrants in the landscaping business often wear sweat shirts during the summertime for this reason as well, for anyone considering being an entrepreneur.

[TPTB_need_war]

Contagion has begun in Europe. The German long bond has broken.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/archives/30345

Appears this was just the warning of what is to come after October 1.

[TPTB_need_war]

Armstrong finally sets the exact date of the global collapse.

http://www.welt.de/finanzen/geldanlage/article140550440/Es-wird-zu-einem-grossen-Crash-kommen.html

Armstrong: There's nothing left, where you can tuck his money in good conscience. Maybe it will again give you the opportunity in America after the bursting of the sovereign debt bubble [after October 1, 2015], after a pullback in equities to enter. But then at some point it's over.

Die Welt: What does your model?

Armstrong: The great crash will come. 2017 or 2018th

If anyone can speak German and give us a more accurate translation, that might be useful.

[BillyBobZorton]

Superdosing on vitamin D can be a big mistake for some individuals. First of all, most doctors only test for the OH25 metabolite, when you need to know your 1,25 metabolite as well which is the active one, you need your PTH and calcium levels too as well as k2 and prolactin.
You can block for vitamin D receptor if you take more vitamin D than needed.

[coinits]

get you body pH alkaline - 7.2 to 7.6 (take it to 8 for a short time initially if you are acutely acidic) use baking soda mixed with distilled water mixed with unpasteurized honey & royal jelly
eat nothing but raw organic fresh fruit & veggies
mega doses of intravenous vitamin c
mega doses of vitamin d
flaxseed oil
krill oil
marijuana oil

[TPTB_need_war]

get you body pH alkaline - 7.2 to 7.6 (take it to 8 for a short time initially if you are acutely acidic) use baking soda mixed with distilled water mixed with unpasteurized honey & royal jelly
eat nothing but raw organic fresh fruit & veggies
mega doses of intravenous vitamin c
mega doses of vitamin d
flaxseed oil
krill oil
marijuana oil

Ty. I will test the alkaline with baking soda. Hadn't tried that. How can I measure my body's pH?

[coinits]

get you body pH alkaline - 7.2 to 7.6 (take it to 8 for a short time initially if you are acutely acidic) use baking soda mixed with distilled water mixed with unpasteurized honey & royal jelly
eat nothing but raw organic fresh fruit & veggies
mega doses of intravenous vitamin c
mega doses of vitamin d
flaxseed oil
krill oil
marijuana oil

Ty. I will test the alkaline with baking soda. Hadn't tried that. How can I measure my body's pH?

Get litmus paper. They do make them for saliva but I just use pool testing strips. And don't stick them in your mouth. Drool on them
Do not over do it. Too alkaline can kill you.

Read this. She says to piss on it or use saliva. There is a lot of literature out there saying that testing piss is not accurate. http://www.betterbones.com/alkalinebalance/phtesting.aspx