Entry fee on me in Serie A pool.
Instead of making a repeating post let me just quote it from other thread.




Trofo, please ignore this off-topic LOL

F************** LOL!
Why is the limited number?
I already created an account and made my picks too although this kicktipp is new to me. I am familiar with superbru only. Anyway, my bad, you informed me long ago but that time I was not interested until few hours ago I changed mind. Good luck to you all.

Just an informal information. Anyone interested to join Serie A on me? Check it and comment there I will pay the entry fee.

So I decided why would I leave this one while I am in EPL, LaLiga and Serie A.

@cygan brother! count me in. I will send the entry fee in few days. I hope that's fine?

PL pool have enough. LaLiga seems okay too. Let's get someone here.

Let's remove the condition of showing interest before. Remove the term 4.

Raise your hand until I am in good mood LOL

If I can remember correctly, first few weeks it was somewhere a round figure per posts. Consider my memory is serving correct then it was 0.0007 per post. At that time bitcoin price was around only $2,000 to $2,200.

@Synchronice  what do you think now?

Later they increased the rate and it was 0.00075 until they changed it to $6 when bitcoin price was $30k more and above.

In late 2017 and early 2018 when Bitcoin price was $19,000 to $20,000 only for few weeks, then 0.00075 per posts was a lot but imagine how much bitcoin they already had when they started? The price was even below $1k when they were creating the mixer. They already had enough bitcoin to cover the marketing expense that was calculating in dollar.

Chipmixer was never aggressive. Their growth was steady and normal.

The reputation worth five figure x than the amount were risked in some cases the reputations are something that is even can not be lost or sell for any amount of money.

Great! I did not know that. Welcome to the team. Now even if I lose the sidebet with you, I will have no regret after all you are my team mate 😘

There are no doubt left that it is not an exit scam. If you need to save a thousand dollar business which you are willing to continue, you will find a way to send a message no matter what position you are in except you are no more breathing.

[1.] Asking to send coins [invest] and giving 12% APR.
[2.] Sending marketing payments in notes and motivating everyone to keep their coins with them.
[3.] Not responding support email [excusing some BS]. No one heard the accuser though at that time.
[4.] Totally gone inactive from the community which you consider your biggest customer base.

These were good red flags but unfortunately most of us never considered it flag as they were manipulating everyone with the hype. People forgot that "too good to be truth" is always meant to scam.

A typical mixer should perform fast, lightening fast. Like Chipmixer used to be.

Deposit > 1 confirmation > withdraw
The distance should be only 1 block.

This piece of information is helpful to me LOL

Honestly, I have no idea about these leagues [Serie A, La Liga etc] and the teams except I know the names of one or two big teams from the league [thanks to Champions league]. Before making my picks I actually check head to head performance, recent history [last 12 years] and some other statistics then I decide to take a side for a team or pick a draw. Although I rarely like to settle for a draw which is where I basically lose a lot of points.

For me these pools are fun. The entertainment is higher when I have a good position in the pool. For the first few rounds I think it's hard for me to do my study.

Can we make it 20?

The next one who will show interest to join the pool will be on me. You have to be a Sr+ member and regular in Gambling board. I will also need Trofo to accept the guy in case we find someone just cheated.

So in short
[1.] You have to be Sr. Member and above
[2.] Trofo needs to agree to accept you.
[3.] Post before the first Kick off [Empoli vs Verona]
[4.] Interest have to be brand new meaning if you already posted about joining or promised to join then you are not in the list.

Consider you have $100k marketing budget and considering how the signature campaign works [it takes time to receive ROI for many reasons], you thought to spend $10k per week. You are going to stay in the competition for only 10 weeks. What happen you have no result in these 10 weeks? You are out of budget. You have no money left for the 11th week.

But if you were cool enough and knew your limit then started with even a $2k weekly budget, you could continue for nearly a year [50 weeks]. In these 50 weeks combining with any other promotions you could receive far more better result and your business could survive [in a year time, still you were not able to have a result then it is obvious that your product is not good enough for people]. So which method you think is better?

Aggressive marketing does not mean you run out of budget very quickly then kill the project. Without marketing your business has zero visibility.

I can not remember exactly how much Chipmixer was paying when they first launched their campaign.

You have a point and interestingly no one thought about it until now LOL
But it's now pointless. The signature campaign is dead until we have a miracle and it become active again. In that case reporting the thread and letting it mods to decide is the best.

You should update the first post with the link of this flag.
Supported.

Few words for the f*ck sake

Who is going to believe that Whirlwind is not aware of what is happening? I doubt they are not. I don't think there are any excuse left for them and this must assure that it was a rug pull eventually. Planned well.

I see the trick was to start with an aggressive approach. Create a situation where others will assume they have wealth to invest in the business and they have better idea and knowledge about privacy.  Ultimate Bitcoin Privacy - Discussion was where all it started to impress some forum members.

Then with this highly paying signature campaign with huge weekly budget, everyone was thinking finally a replacement for Chipmixer signature campaign. They were able to manipulate the entire forum [except few].

Whoever this person was, he knew about the forum very well. He must know a lot of us and how we behave. So he knew where were the holes.

[1.] No business ever wanted to escrow huge money. They saw in some situations few members suggested proof of bankroll [for gambling business though], but they found it useful for them. They sent $40k DAI to minerjones. It made everyone impressed! [The review campaign was a poorly execution though in terms of payment, it was showing you are getting paid huge but at the end you don't even get 1/5th of your expectation. Everyone was thinking they are going to get $100 but I saw many who has done very good job even got $15 to $30, they were unhappy, what a shame. Only I and one other guy got $100 if I am correct. Why I got $100, I know very well, may be some of you too]

[2.] A signature campaign with an unbelievable weekly budget [for a business which just started] to show that they are wealthy enough to market this product.

They figured that with small marketing budget, without showing any aggressiveness, starting just like any other business will not get the business noticed or at-least it will take longer time. There are already some established mixers, Chipmixer left an empty place just few weeks ago so to create a dominance very quickly, the only way was to create a hype around the forum. Show off that they have huge budget. They did well. Everyone thought this is the next Chipmixer who is going to stay in the business for the years to come and going to pay them maximum per week for wearing the signature.

Then this anonymity mining idea. Encourage customers to give them the coins and in return a healthy APR. Everyone started to forget that a business which is not making money, not having cash flow but spending for the last 5 months can not continue like this. It has to stop at some point.

Now it's difficult to assume if this anonymity idea was to collect the coins and rug pull at some point or it was genuine. Even if it was genuine then after continuing it for few months when they only had 500 or some transactions out of 10000 they targeted, they knew it's not going to work. Continuing the business and to reach the target is going to cost them a lot more money than that they already spent. From $6k to $10k weekly marketing budget if they go down to $1k weekly budget then it will lose all credibility of the showing off too.

Result was to let it continue as it is because they were not paying anyone any bitcoin but using the NOTES. Even extending it for one day may get them a good incoming that can boost the multisig wallet a little bit.

My concision:  
[1.] They had plan from the beginning to scam at some point. They knew which direction to take for that. Aggressive marketing, showing off wealth was just part of the plan. [2.] If they had genuine interest to establish the business then this aggressive marketing budget destroyed everything. It's now clear that they were not as rich as they were showing off. They had limited budget for marketing. When you have a limit then you need to spend in that limit or at some point you are empty.

But either way, it's a scam now. The intention is much clear.

I don't think eventually they lost anything. There are enough btc which is higher than the amount they invested[expense]. It's such pathetic that they did not even came to tell some words like we are not able to continue because the business is not in profit or such things. Cowards!

I suggest minerjones to come forward and compensate as much as he can using this $40k DAI. This is not whirlwind's money anymore, it's for the people who lost their hard earned money in this scam. This signature campaigners also need to support the flag and leave negative feedback as they are the main victim, if you are hoping for any miracle, then I am sorry, I do not see any, anymore now.

Sorry for the losses you all had. At least this should be a lesson for everyone. When a brand new business is coming and offering almost 1.5x higher than the ecosystem, then at least think before you give a support to them.

Last few months everywhere it was whirlwind. No one even heard the guy [I can not find his username] who was seeking help that he lost his money and whirlwind didn't even bothered to reply his email.

I already left a negative feedback after considering the possibility that anyone who is not aware can find themselves deposited their coins and they will have same fate like decodx. If decodx decides to create a flag then I suggest to post the Letter of Guarantee and create the flag. I will have no problem to support it.

First thing: I do think a flag is necessary now just to alert, at least try to alert people not to use their mixer, although I do not see there are any deposits to the 2 of 3 address [hopefully they did not chance the destination address to move the deposits, has anyone tried to deposit some sats recently to check if the 2 of 3 address receives the fund?].

Second thing: I fail to understand where is the decentralized nature of the website. The funds are in hold by one person or at least he is pretending to be three person containing three keys. Have we even known who owns these keys? No.

My suggestion: Everyone who have fund there in the notes, submit withdrawal [full amount], leave nothing. You will get the Letter of Guarantee. Verify the message. The letter will have withdrawal address and anyone can easily verify that the funds were not received. Do not use this address in the future just in case someone get a chance to tell that you received the funds.

I have a 6 fold with the free bet received from LaLiga pool. This time I have straight wins for Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Napoli, Barcelona, and Real Madrid. All three leagues I am focusing in LOL

You made too many side bets. If you are able to finish over all of us then you are going to stash a lot of BTC LOL. Good luck again, it's a long season, 37x10 matches left. Anything can happen.

Why Little Mouse - BitcoinGirl.Club sidebet filled with yellow orange? There are no way for Arsenal to win the title.

I don't see a problem compensating the victims with the fund available in escrow. If a scammer scam someone and if an escrow have the fund then sending back the fund to the scammer will be weird. I am sure a lot of people joined their campaign knowing some $40k funds are in hold and the campaign manager is holding the signature payment.

Is someone considering leaving a negative feedback to Whirlwind's feedback page? Or it is too early to do such thing, may be doing so will let them run away without changing their mind.

In bitcoin when someone is offering you to send them your coin and hold it in their custody, it's always unique LOL
I will never allow a third party to hold even a 100 mbtc for me. Not your key not your coin, very simple.

Regarding technical background, scammers are always smarter than average people or you and would never was scammed.

I haven't yet but I am hoping. It will be wired though if all these favorites win their own matches. From my gambling experience I know from these 6 selections at leas one will fail means at least one favorite will lose LOL

What was the number when they started their service with this address?

In expense side:
add $40k that they sent to minerjones
add the money they spent for their review campaign
add the money they spent in their signature campaign so far.

Let me know if you see they are in profit?
If they are or they are not, then how much is the difference?

I feel the expense side will be lesser than the deposit side. If they want to scam then it's very easy, well planned. On the other hand, if they have more expense then the amount deposited, still it's possible for them to shut down the service. They may find themselves running this business is a totally loss.

Sorry for not thinking positively. I balm them for it. Few hours, maximum 24 or 48 hours may seem reasonable but few days and no well plan to publicly announce anything is fishy business practice.


edit.
It makes more difficult to tell anything positive when the last outgoing transaction was 7 days ago from now:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/96f687580d2ddec4328b9fca8aff8edda74c0f7de16b8be2da81413545308de3

Bump to this thread.
Kick off starts in less than 4 days.
How many members we have so far @Trofo

[1.] If you have not made your picks then pick your team before you missing it
[2.] Come on people, join. it's just 0.0015 btc to win over 50 to 60 mbtc.