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7601  Economy / Reputation / Re: Can someone please provide a rational list of DT members to add to my trust list on: February 06, 2019, 08:22:07 PM
you should include lauda and his gang or else,you will get red tag  Huh
That isn't true, and I wish that line would stop getting repeated.  Welcome back, Joel_Jantsen.  Long time, no see and I was wondering where you were at.

You can include whoever you want, though you'll probably get shit for it however you choose.  I can't even imagine taking a break from bitcointalk and then coming back right after the trust system changes happened--it's been like a madhouse around here lately.  Stay sane, keep calm.
7602  Other / Meta / Re: HOW CAN A MEMBER GAIN MERIT FROM THIS FORUM on: February 06, 2019, 07:35:24 PM
You mean "activity".  Roll Eyes
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All true stuff, glad you pointed it out--and this thread just keeps getting better as it goes along.  I was actually surprised to see a "how I earn merit" thread in Meta after all this time, because we had a great streak going where such turds weren't being cranked out.

Most of your posts are in the Altcoin Section (aka the shitcoin subsection). You’re not going to gain many Merit’s posting in there because the people who hand them out don’t post in there.
If I had any piece of advice to give an actual newbie, it would be to avoid sections like that where not only your post but the thread it's in is going to get buried within a matter of minutes.  Even if it was truly merit-worthy, it's not likely that the post is going to be seen by someone with merit to give in a section like Altcoin Discussion (or Bitcoin Discussion, Economics, Speculation, and probably a couple other sections).
7603  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: [HODL] My shitcoin fund Aim is x100 minimum on: February 06, 2019, 04:24:15 AM
Let's see how much I am able to rip others off.
Yep, that's the name of the game with shitcoins and I guarantee you that if you manage to make a profit from your investment, the losers on the other end of the trade would understand your statement completely.  There isn't anything else these coins are used for except trading back and forth. 

Great way to test whether you can actually 'buy low, sell high' with coins that aren't worth the electricity used to maintain their blockchains.  If there was ever a good time to buy them, I suppose it would be now.  Good luck with the experiment and props for being smart enough for not going overboard with the dollar amount of your purchases.  I haven't even heard of about 3/4 of the coins in this list, and that's usually a litmus test for shittiness.
7604  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 06, 2019, 03:40:14 AM
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I would guess for a start you best not have red trust Huge Black Woman aka The Pharmacist. That will not have gone down well. You didn't did you?
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I've never had any problem with Timelord2067.  On the contrary, he's been quite civil and tolerant of me in the handful of PMs he's sent me in the past couple of years, considering I know he does not care for my brand of humor.  He's a good guy, and the only thing that's kept him from being in my trust list is the fact that I think he's wildly off the mark on some of his account-linking.  I couldn't give a specific example, since I haven't given the matter much thought as of late, but I do recall him accusing multiple members of being alts of Quickseller that I thought were very wrong. 

He certainly has done a lot to help the forum, dedicating a lot of what must be his free time to doing detective work--that's a lot more than can be said for many others 'round these parts.
7605  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 05, 2019, 11:12:31 PM
So to receive the right to buy an alt without getting a negative feedback is that you need to know that user.
Seems very centralised to me.How many of all users do you know on that forum to make a proper judgement ?
Um, no.  I don't know any of those members personally.  The judgement comes from their overall trust, i.e., the decentralized trust system.  Gleb has a neg right now, but I disagree with that one and thus haven't tagged him.

Edit:
counter it then pussycat
Sorry, not a fan of giving counter-feedback.
7606  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 05, 2019, 11:05:15 PM
So why did he get tagged  ?
If you tagg him you should also tagg the accounts of suchmoon such as glem or tagg any other known alt.
Take this up in a new thread if you have an issue with tagging of alts/account sales.  Alts are allowed and are not automatically red-trusted by anyone unless the main account is red-trusted.  Timelord2067 is/was giving neutral trust for alts, though I'm not sure if he's still doing that.

Theymos answered my question about account sales, and I appreciate it.  Every case should be judged individually, IMO, which I waffled on for quite some time--and that's one reason why suchmoon's purchase of Gleb's account didn't result in me tagging either one of them; why I removed my tag on iluvbitcoins; why I didn't tag OmegaStarScream; and so on.  Those peeps are otherwise trustworthy, even if they did engage in a behavior I disagree with.
7607  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 05, 2019, 09:07:44 PM
the phamacist
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you guys are just allowed to stay in DT as long as you don't interfere with their actions.
Any DT member interfering with their actions will instantly get him into their distrust list and out of DT.
Leave me the fuck out of this.  I'm not making any trust inclusion/exclusion changes based on who's on the new DT list, so what you wrote is absolutely not true. 
7608  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 05, 2019, 07:17:07 PM
In particular, in my view:
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Just wanted to thank you for giving some guidance as far as feedback-giving goes.  What I get from your input is that trust feedback really should be about trust, but we've all got different standards on that.  TECSHARE wants trust to be solely about documented trades and such, whereas I tend to not trust account sellers/buyers.  The message I'm taking from this is that you don't approve of leaving negs for differences of opinion or politics, but I'm wondering whether you specifically disapprove of account dealers being tagged--not necessarily your opinion on the matter, but whether you'd consider that an inappropriate use of the trust system.

It's not a moderator issue since there's no rule for it, and it harms the forum overall so I'd argue that DT ought to be able to tag them.
7609  Economy / Reputation / Re: VIP Member hacked? on: February 05, 2019, 05:48:30 PM
I'd say that there's a 25% chance of him being the original BTC_Bear.
Nice, thanks for your research and input on this.  I'm betting he's not the original owner of the account just on language alone, and I'm hoping he'll just come clean now if that's true.  He's already tagged with the possibility of the account being locked still on the table, so he might as well be honest at this point.
7610  Other / Meta / Re: Can users be banned for using known English proverbs and sayings? on: February 05, 2019, 05:11:33 PM
I've sort of wondered about this myself, where the line exactly is when it comes to word combinations and what constitutes plagiarism.  Pretty sure that bitcointalk doesn't have a set standard, but I don't know if any standard exists in places like academia as far as using idioms and such.  If it's a quote from a famous person, I would think you should cite the source even if it's in an informal manner--that Wayne Gretzky quote I'd never heard before, and I'm of the opinion that if someone wrote that here they ought to mention where it came from. 

However, I would not ban someone for not saying it came from Gretzky.  There's a big difference between writing out something you have in your memory versus selecting some text with your mouse and copy/pasting it into your post.
7611  Economy / Reputation / Re: Should projects that knowingly employ proven untrustworthy individuals be viewed on: February 05, 2019, 04:59:14 PM
By your logic, anyone employing a known extortionist should be seen as untrustworthy.
Gee, I didn't expect this thread to end up being about Lauda.  I'm shocked, I tell you.  Shocked.

If we're talking about things like signature campaigns, most already have provisions in place that preclude anyone tagged with a DT neg from joining, which I agree with.  Projects don't want to be associated with scammers or even red-trusted members who aren't necessarily scammers but who might have done questionable things in the past (like mdayonliner) which earned them red trust.  The difference in the eyes of campaign managers (IMO) between Lauda's ill-advised sting operation and mdayonliner's $100k escrow attempt is the relative amount of trust each has.  Lauda has earned a ton of positives and has a far more established, net-positive reputation than mdayonliner.  

I'm not trying to single either member out, but it's a good example of why one might get accepted into a campaign and one might not--though I don't think mdayonliner has been denied before.  Maybe he could clear that up; I do recall him applying to one and getting in despite his overall red trust and that's likely because he's never actually pulled a scam here, ponzi history aside.

This question is so loaded and agenda-driven that I'm not sure what c-hunter is expecting to accomplish here.  I doubt anyone would want a proven scammer working for them, so the question really comes down to the definition of proven.  On bitcointalk, that's kind of a community consensus, with a sprinkle of politics on top since the actual outcome of an accusation depends on what DT members do.  

Edit (it'll get deleted in the other thread):
You are a hyprocat .
Meow.
7612  Other / Meta / Re: @theymos It's time to make DT blacklist. on: February 05, 2019, 03:55:23 PM
The probability of this happening is effectively 0.
Solar-powered calculators don't work in dark, festering troll caves.  They must have gotten a different number.

I had to go back and read Theymos's original post about how the voting thing works, and I get it now (more or less).  How these jokers plan to get even one member onto DT1 baffles me, and their claims of an overthrow are ludicrous--unless Theymos steps in, which would make their claims of a centralized trust system ironically self-serving.  Don't think he's going to do that, however.

Now we're hearing new claims about suchmoon buying Gleb's acount, but although I'd love to respond to those, scunter edit: Thule (I can't keep 'em straight) made the accusations in their self-moderated thread and any replies I make are going to get deleted.  They'll try anything.
7613  Economy / Reputation / Re: Trust abuse and lies from DT members on: February 05, 2019, 01:27:36 AM
Why you keep repeating thing that i already answer ?
Translation: he's caught, he knows it, and he's painted himself as far into a corner as is humanly possible, and is all out of imaginary fairy tale reasons why he wrote all that crap.  Rambotnic was playing it straight right up until he wrote:

If you asking garbage questions, then my answers are garbage for you.
I type answers to questions, and if you feel your questions and other people questions as garbage, then what i could say more...
...after which he started treating all of this as just dribbling idiot humor.  I think he called himself a cop and wanted to perform some lawyering as a side gig at one point. 

Still wondering if anyone is actually going to support him in his quest for the victimhood olympics trophy.  Obviously DT has terribly abused him.  Rambotnic even said it himself, so it must be true.

7614  Economy / Reputation / Re: @Timelord2067 on: February 05, 2019, 12:04:26 AM
Note: This is not my creation; posted with persmission. Smiley
Cryptohunter and the rest of the gang can only aspire to trisomy 21. 

While we're at it, and a little bit off-topic, but where are all the Rambotnic defenders now?  He's getting harrassed to death in multiple threads by them g'dawful DT ganger-bangers.  I really am dying to hear scunterhunter drop in to lend some help with an enormous Mexican Trump WoT.  Could it actually be that the only members actually concerned with busting scammers are some DT members (and a few others)?  Nah, couldn't be.
7615  Other / Meta / Re: What happened to my trust. Admins, help me please... on: February 04, 2019, 08:41:23 PM
If you start giving negative feedback even its shown as neutral its a clear abuse.
This thread has gone on longer than it should have, and OP should lock it.

By the way, Thule--why don't you bitch to TECSHARE that he left me a horrible, unjust neutral feedback based on a disagreement we had?  Go ahead and check my trust page, it's there.
7616  Other / Meta / Re: What happened to my trust. Admins, help me please... on: February 04, 2019, 06:46:24 PM
I will be deprived of awards, because of your comment.
You won't be, believe me.  No bounty manager is going to give one shit about a neutral left by a DT member.  If it ain't red, it ain't read. 

Told you this would be resolved in a (semi) satisfactory way.  Thanks for being reasonable, Saint-loup.
7617  Other / Meta / Re: What happened to my trust. Admins, help me please... on: February 04, 2019, 02:57:01 PM
Well, theymos did say that he didn’t want DT users tagging others solely for shitposting. But you did neg trust him back for some reason?
Yep, that's true.  I don't know who Saint-loup is and wasn't aware he's on DT2, but hopefully he reads this and figures out that DT members shouldn't be tagging people just for shitposting--or not earning merits, which is what it says in his feedback.

OP might want to rethink that retaliatory feedback as well.

The act of the person who marked me is a real manifestation of intolerance, violation of the freedom of will and abuse.
He oppresses me, forcing me to write posts and receive merit. I see it as a violation of my personality.
That's a bit melodramatic.  No one here can force you to do anything.  This guy is obviously new to DT2 and doesn't know better than to neg someone for stuff like this.  I suspect he won't remain on DT for long if he keeps doing it.

Edit:
I think you should have been banned after your first 3 useless one-liners. I'm just curious as to what your sense of entitlement is based on.
Yeah, I don't know why I'm being so sympathetic.  However, if DT members start tagging shitposters it's going to be a free-for-all here, and there will be no end to the drama and chaos that would ensue.  It was decided (actually, decreed by Theymos IIRC) last year that doing it wasn't a good use of the trust system.
7618  Other / Meta / Re: About unjust prohibition on: February 04, 2019, 01:44:09 PM
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Un-fucking-believable that he had to copy/paste that garbage snippet of a post, obviously in order to bump an ANN thread.  My guess is that those two accounts are alts and are engaged in the same behavior, and he's probably got a clipboard full of idiotic "great idea-nice project" bumping phrases, ready to go.

Let's wait for the "I made mistake, pls forgive me, can I get second chance?" posting to begin.
7619  Economy / Reputation / Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof on: February 04, 2019, 11:01:19 AM
The burden of proof is not on the person that so rated you but it is on you to prove that the rating was wrong. What I mean is that you have to prove to Lauda that the negative trust was wrongly given.
I'm sorry, that's the most absurd thing I've read on this forum in a long time.  The person making a claim is the one who has to show the evidence, and what you wrote is the exact opposite of what you wrote in this post of yours (with a great response from marlboroza following it, btw).  In this case, I wouldn't say the evidence is a slam dunk but it sure as hell looks OP and Wipro are either alt accounts or worked together, or at the very least know each other by virtue of them being attached to the same project--which is something that OP denies.  

I'm very interested in hearing what OP has to say about Wipro posting in a familiar huge font, putting a halt to that bounty.  Kinda weird if Wipro wasn't the manager of it.
7620  Economy / Reputation / Re: Lauda sent me a negative trust with no proof on: February 04, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
So what's with that post?  Are you saying you have no idea who that is or why he'd suddenly write a post stating the bounty was over?  I haven't read the whole thread past that post, but it does seem odd that Wipro would write that in your thread for no reason--and in the same oversized font, as well.
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