USDT is fairly useless. It's still crypto and you still need to buy USDT with USD somehow unless you are trading crypto-to-crypto.

I agree the market for anything other than crypto speculators really isn't there, and I mean both demand-side and supply-side. The exchanges are a good service for crypto-speculators and crypto-speculators like the exchanges (especially the bigger ones as you point out). For everyone else, not so much.

Valid point IMO.

Even something like retail prepaid cards would be much better.

Yes of course. I've mentioned alternatives to the whole blockchain a few times.

I guess this discussion about the blockchain size got started over the question of whether having a full blockchain on a smartphone was feasible at all. Obviously it's problematic but since there are games that are roughly the same size, it seems it isn't totally non-feasible.

But none of that is meant to suggest there wouldn't be lighter weight approaches too.

All true, but 32 GB sd cards are pretty low end at this point. There are 512 GB sd cards already (expensive, for now).

Obviously there are other solutions too, besides just storing the whole blockchain, as you say.

Pline I am certainly blunt and when I feel the level of respect due given observed actions is low, abrasive, but I'm not "calling names" at a project (though I do at individuals when those names are deserved), my accusations are not false, and I'm not FUDing in the sense of spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt about SDC. In fact even when it comes to "a competing project" I care far less about how it all turns out that you would probably believe. I view it as a fun and interesting hobby, but certainly nothing worth fighting over. Frankly I would never comment on SDC at all, if people would stop making incorrect statements and hype.

It's a bit absurd for you to be posting those papers when it is quite clear from our interactions that you have either zero ability to understand them, or zero willingness to accept, at least publicly, the correct conclusions I've put forward. Please review our exchange about "tokens" on this thread for a clear demonstration of this.

If you and others stop pumping your coin with ignorant or deliberately misleading claims, I'll have nothing further to say about SDC, frankly it doesn't really interest me. The easiest and best thing for you to do at this point would be to stop talking about the tech at all, because nearly every time you do you get it wrong.

With just that you can't tell if it was actually sent.


Works for me

Yes but with a smartphone wallet you can receive more Monero everywhere you go!

I'm not going to repeat. Reread my previous posts.


As an outside observer, particularly given the existence of sock puppets, etc. it is impossible to determine who is saying what. Furthermore I don't keep track of who is The Shadow Team nor do I particularly care.

If people are pumping and spamming and posting incorrect and misleading hype about a coin, the coin is being hyped in a scammish manner. One account that certainly does this is Pline, and I know he is being deliberately misleading because I've discussed these issues with him before, yet he continues doing it.

Or take a look at the DRK vs. XMR thread where SDC was completely off topic, yet repeatedly spammed.

I don't know if he is "The Shadow Team" but he's certainly active on the SDC thread as a supporter so I'll count him as one of "you guys" (as opposed to some random troll who pretends to support something in an obnoxious or misleading manner in order to discredit it; if that were happening to SDC I would support you on that, but that's not what is happening).

Beyond that distinction, I don't care who is The Shadow Team and who isn't, and neither do the people that SDC pumpers are trying to get to buy their crap when the spew hype and spam all over the place.


Again, reread my previous posts.

If you want to clean up SDC's act, then I support you and your efforts. If you want to continue to argue over the hyped and spammed crap that usually comes out of SDC, then fuck you too. You may be a great guy according to David Latapie, but if you're defending liars, pumpers, and scammers then you are a scammer too.

Quite honestly neither is true. The only thing that brought me over to post on this thread was the arrogant stomping on dashcoin (maybe not the substance of the actual deal that was made, but certainly some of the hostile and tone deaf posts from darkcoin supporters) that I saw on their thread, which I happened to have followed for the past six months or so.

I've never been a fan of the launch, instamine, etc., nor the technology but I never bothered to comment on it much either, certainly not on this thread, regardless of price rises (this year or last year).

The dismissive response you give, that criticism aries not from disagreement or disapproval on substance but out of about jealousy and in response to price rises is both incorrect and just adding more fuel to the arrogant, tone deaf, and cultish vibe that people get form you guys. Probably best you drop that one.

I agreed with you that moving funds through (meaning into then out of) an altcoin as a means of using that altcoin as a mixer is not a good use case.


This is where I'm not sure. Forget about the idea of using the alt as a mixer and consider that people may simply value their privacy and not want to go through the trouble of a special "mixing" process at all. Sure if you are a hacker and you want to wash 7000 stolen BTC then going through mixers, gambling sites, exchanges, etc. are fine.

Normal people, dealing in smaller amounts where the liquidity of many alts is perfectly adequate, or even routine modest-sized business transactions, aren't going to do that and may still not want their affairs broadcast out on a public blockchain. They may prefer to simply use a monetary system that doesn't have so much built-in visibility to begin with that you need mixers.

Even if this is only a minority of people, that may still be a very large market, just as there is a large market for financial privacy in the conventional banking system.

My smartphone has 128 GB. I guess cheaper ones have less, but in a year or two it seems this might be fairly common. The current blockchain is 5 GB stored inefficiently (pretty much everything is duplicated; over time we can improve that, although I'm not sure how how high it ranks as a priority).

I've seen smartphone games that are similar in size to the Monero blockchain, and people install those.

I'm not sure that running full node on a smartphone is what people will necessarily want to do, as other options exist with some partial privacy compromises, but if you really want to do it, the size of the blockchain doesn't get in the way really.

They're not false assumptions and yes they are my point of view (as are all statements made here or anywhere that aren't deliberate lies). I don't expect anyone to give my point of view undue weight, however, people should do their own checking.

Whatever you may believe about the SDC project or the SDC developers, and indeed whatever work they have actually done or are doing, is irrelevant to the fact that aggressive and deliberately misleading and deceptive promotion that mischaracterizes and greatly exaggerates the technical merits of the SDC system is going on frequently on this forum.

I've already addressed some of the specific factually incorrect and misleading statements that are repeatedly made, not only in this thread but across many threads, again and again. But as I said, people should do their own research and not blindly believe what I say.

Judge for yourself.


In your rush to create a false moral equivalence, you dropped a few important words there. In particular "deceptive" and "misleading"

If I've said anything deceptive or misleading about Monero, please let me know so I can correct it.

True and true. I explained further on this thread. There is a brand of scam that involves cloning something with no substance and then pumping it (for example several hundred alts). There is another brand of scam that involves doing some development and then promoting it in an aggressive and deliberately misleading and deceptive way (for example SDC or BCN, although BCN's substantive contribution to cryptotechnology was vastly more than SDCs).


All over this damn forum. For example, there was a recently thread about "DRK vs. XMR". The SDC pumpers couldn't read the subject though, and decided that was a good place to start spewing the nonsense about tokens and zero knowledge and "not a copy of cryptonote" all the rest.


Ask yourself where it would be if it wasn't being relentlessly promoted.

I see a bunch of stuff your chain explorer is not capable of properly decoding, and a bunch of outputs (i.e. "tokens") that looks just like any other cryptonote chain.

Because 3 is good enough as a default, and provides a high degree of mixing of the overall blockchain for routine transactions (keeping it non-transparent) with a minimum of bloat. If people want higher mixing on particular transactions where it is needed they are free to do that.

WTFF?

That's just a regular BTC-style transaction. Has nothing to do with anon at all.


It would if anyone ever used SDC (with the default mix factor). Granted all cryptocurrencies (BTC included) are toys at this point.

Since I see the SDC pumpers are continuing to spew the same nonsense and vaporware claims I will just refer back to my previous responses without reposting them over and over again. That's their style not mine.

Fake whitepapers, technobable quotes. Wow, what will those Monero scammers do next?

It proves these so-called "tokens" in SDC just has outputs on the blockchain, which are the exact same thing that (nearly; excluding the few that are account-based such as XCN) every other cryptocurrency. has There is no substance to this "tokens just like zerocash" talking point you pumpers came up with.

It's not a fancy term it is something that was used by the Bytecoin scammers to try to pump their stuff, the same way SDC pumpers imply some connection to zerocoin technology when there is in fact no connection at all. If you don't know about Cicada 3301 try wikipedia.