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781  Economy / Economics / Re: Fiat and cryptocurrency on: July 10, 2021, 07:29:17 PM
I think that society must first of all understand that cryptocurrency will give them independence in the first place, unlike fiat money. If over the next 10 years, the capitalization of bitcoin increases by an average of 10 - 20 times, then this will provide an opportunity to get a stable price of bitcoin and then we will be able to see the real advantages of cryptocurrency over fiat funds. It is then that people will begin to actively leave Fiat and switch to Bitcoin, since stable Bitcoin is not only a reliable asset or means of payment, but also a safe storage

There’s nothing special about cryptocurrency that gives people financial independence. Any asset that appreciates 10-20 times has the potential to give someone financial independence, it’s not magic because it’s bitcoin that does it. Bitcoin has risen this far and still doesn’t have a stable value. There’s no reason to think that another 10-20x and it magically will start.

Independence what he wrote maybe have another meaning, but thats quite weird if Bitcoin give us financial independence. We know that Bitcoin can't change you to be rich man, because there is no currency can do it. Even to earn sone money you have to work. So  I dont understand which one can give financial independence if you cant get money from money its share.
782  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Finals in June 2021! on: July 10, 2021, 02:38:24 PM
The strategy will define ur successful, is like the next final match of Italy vs England. I guess that Italy will be the champion of this league based on the history. We know that Italy with England in the same match for the competitive league or world cup have been 9 times. Italy won 7x,  lose 1x, and tie1x. So in this league, they have met for 10 times, whether they add the win score or lose. We wait for the match..

But historical analysis cannot always be considered.
There are different eras, different players and different game styles.

Today England and Italy are playing in a different way from their traditional style. So there can be surprises.

For long era, Italy always be better than England. Although, history showed us different game styles and players but Italy showed the result. Just waiting for several hours, We will know who will be the champion of  EURO. The spirit of this team will take them to the good result. I sure about that. The unpredictable if they dont have any historical meeting, but you can find their historical as easy as you can.
783  Economy / Economics / Re: The slave does not dream of freedom, but of being the slave-master on: July 10, 2021, 12:11:02 PM
Long story short fiat world makes things that are simple into very hard things and that makes zero sense to me, and it is called free market to give it some jazz but it is purely just evil that keeps people as slaves. Yet that doesn't mean that places like XRP and TRX and BNB are not centralized and looking to be the same thing.

If we say that people who currently reside and use fiat are considered slaves then I myself disagree.  Slaves are people who have no choice, haven't we all lived with the choices that exist and we also weigh all choices with the risks or rewards that result from those choices. Even in crypto projects, it's part of the choice.  There are many indicators that we can look at not to get caught up in a project that enslaves itself.  Is anyone forcing you to get involved in something?
784  Economy / Economics / Re: Which cryptocurrency do you decide to invest in for the long-term? on: July 09, 2021, 05:15:49 PM
Everyone will keep saying the big names, there is no way out of that. Bitcoin, ethereum, bnb, and a few like that will be the ones that will be worth something in the end and you will have to handle that.

Thats really clear why everyone wrote those names. As long as we know, BTC has 44% of total market capital, ETH has 18% of total market. Both of them, control over 50% of the market.  Who else doesn't put their name on their long term portfolio.  I'm sure he's just a new player because if he understands, BTC and ETH are obligated to enter the ranks of assets in the long-term portfolio of crypto investors.
785  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Finals in June 2021! on: July 09, 2021, 04:04:32 PM
90 minute of regular time to be honest the match italy vs spain is very interesting in my opinion. But Italy's strong defense and Spain's failure to create goal opportunities was a bit boring. I don't really like the Italian way of playing because they only rely on defense and counter-attack. I hope England vs Italy will feature an open match in the final although it seems that Italy is defending in its own way.

Italy are defensive, yes.
England normally are very attacking. However that has hurt them in the past, and so this tournament they are being a lot more cautious, as we saw for example with their formation against Germany.

I expect both sides to play defensively in the final... unfortunately that is generally the way in finals anyway, regardless of who is playing.

The strategy will define ur successful, is like the next final match of Italy vs England. I guess that Italy will be the champion of this league based on the history. We know that Italy with England in the same match for the competitive league or world cup have been 9 times. Italy won 7x,  lose 1x, and tie1x. So in this league, they have met for 10 times, whether they add the win score or lose. We wait for the match..
786  Economy / Economics / Re: Die today, Die tommorrow, the same dying! still get vaccinated! on: July 09, 2021, 03:09:28 PM
I'm just a little dubious when it comes to getting vaccinated because of course there will be side effects later if it doesn't match our immune system, that's what I'm worried about.

Seeing from local news in my country there are many side effects after being vaccinated, from various body heat, vomiting, convulsions and also the body becomes weak and paralyzed, I am even horrified to see this news but will this be guaranteed by the government after many vaccinations later?

I think what needs to be done is just to maintain a healthy body pattern and maintain immunity.

After a long consideration, I have been vaccinated when I have cough. I dont feel anything but based on people said for the first vaccine Sinovac, There is no reaction for body and the second vaccine has given the reactions for them. Now, I feel nothing maybe because of the first vaccine, in the next who knows. But I'll hope everything gonna be fine.
787  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Sadarlah, Orang Terkenal Bukan Untuk Kamu Jadikan Pegangan! on: July 09, 2021, 02:29:23 PM
Embel embel nya karya anak bangsa, akan menjadi koin no 1 di indonesia.  Grin. Udah bahasa iklan banget....
Awas, bukanya saya gak suka tapi ketika saya baca baca projeknya .
Hati hati rug pull, coba liat smart kontraknya disini https://etherscan.io/token/0xEF19F4E48830093Ce5bC8b3Ff7f903A0AE3E9Fa1#balances .Lihat investor teratas token ini ga di lock, ini bisa saja nanti sang investor ngejual semua tokennya.  Liat di https://www.blockchainalmanac.com/exchanges/botxcoin/ sepertinya Botxcoin sudah di buat di thun 2018 di singapura.
Jadi tetep hati hati gaes ada indikasi tidak baik sepertinya Wink

Kemarin ane liat di youtube Indra K, mengklarifikasi sentimen negatif dan konten negatif pada botXcoin. Dari sekian banyak dugaan buruk masyarakat, mereka tidak mengklarifikasi pembuatannya di singapura. Mereka bahkan mengatakan bahwa sudah me-lock 60% token milik developernya. Mereka mungkin tidak akan me rug pull hanya saja mengambil keuntungan secara legal wkwkww dengan menjual sesuai temponya. Di video nya juga bahkan mengatakan rug pull adalah cara yang legal.
788  Economy / Economics / Re: The first rule of investing is saving on: July 09, 2021, 05:55:41 AM
I interested to read this thread because my little sister told me about her friend. She asked me to teach how the way to start trading like her friend, fyi She's blind about financial literation. Investing and trading are some kind of strange for her. Then, I teach her. I dont forbid you to learn about tranding or become a trader like ur friend, but I suggest you to learn how to manage ur money first. In this life, if you wanna be success you have to earn 2 kind of incomes. Such as;
1. Active income
2. Passive income

When you work daily as a teacher, you earn 200$ per month. But you just spent your money for needs and wants. If there's residual income, so you save it in the bank account. Just simple like that. But do you think that you have gotten more benefit because of  ur saving? I said, no.

Because, when you save in the bank account. Every year you saving will decrease because of inflation. If you want to learn more and get more. Try to manage ur active income become passive income too. Such as,
You invest in gold, stock, property, then crypto. After you understand more, you advance ur knowledge to be a trader.

The key is active and passive income will save you in the future.
789  Economy / Economics / Re: Jeff Bezos and many top amazon executives leave in mass exodus on: July 08, 2021, 05:09:43 PM
Everyone hates Jeff Bezos.  He made 8 billion dollars just from announcing he was stepping down as CEO.  If quitting your job would net you 8 billion dollars in a day, I'm sure you would probably do it to.  It seems clear Jeff has moved on from wanting to build something great, to wanting to enjoy life.  I doubt he wants to be bothered by people yelling names at him while he's forced to attend meetings and move around in public.  Seems pretty clear from his recent actions that he just wants a stiff drink and some bikini freaks.  If Epstein was still around I'm sure Bezos would be on the island right now... 

Thats really make sense, I dont think that he's sad or mad because of the policy of government. I just look at what the purpose of his resignation, according to me, he's just bored with the situation or his responsible as the CEO . He's just wanna find a new idea or business that can challange his self. As CEO, everything has been ruled as routine. That will make him bored and nothing special from what he achieved.
790  Economy / Economics / Re: Die today, Die tommorrow, the same dying! still get vaccinated! on: July 07, 2021, 05:49:50 PM
I'm still surprised that there are still people who feel that the covid vaccine is dangerous for the body. let's use the time well, do good, and don't hide your assets from family.

You are one of those who blindly believe in media propaganda that vaccines are safe, but these are vaccines that have not been sufficiently tested, and for which it is not known at all what effect they have in the long run. More than 10 000 deaths are currently under investigation in the EU, all linked to covid vaccines, and those with mild or severe side effects are measured in the hundreds of thousands. Since they started vaccinating children under the age of 18, a very large number of deaths have been recorded - all of them were healthy children and without any need to be vaccinated.

In my country the existing vaccines are prohibited from being used for under-18 years old and it is true that after the vaccine there are side effects and the media says that it is normal  They even say that just drinking cough medicine can make you sleepy, how about if you get vaccinated there are no side effects.  It makes sense that the current vaccine has not passed the stage of testing it should have passed.
791  Economy / Economics / Re: Jeff Bezos and many top amazon executives leave in mass exodus on: July 07, 2021, 04:19:29 PM
If Jeff Bezos' resignation from Amazon heats up the state of affairs that is currently busy drafting a 15% tax plan, it seems like too much media exaggeration.  I admit that the continued increase in taxes in the production sector will have a broad impact.  I personally don't like it when companies are regulated with large taxes even though the tax allocation in the country is not very transparent.  I look from my point of view in my country and don't really check the conditions in European countries.  Even though taxes are used for infrastructure and so on, this will have an impact on reducing company revenue and as a result companies will think of ways to lower their costs by increasing the price of their services or products.  the impact will be reversed on the people of the country itself.
792  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Sadarlah, Orang Terkenal Bukan Untuk Kamu Jadikan Pegangan! on: July 07, 2021, 02:48:50 PM
Kalau memang ia menciptakan token bukan untuk keuntungan pribadinya, ya tidak masalah juga. Tapi, kalau hanya untuk mencari keuntungan pribadi, ga ada bedanya dengan elon musk, ia memanfaatkan ketenarannya. Kalau dilihat dari grafik harga Botxcoin juga sedikit kelihatan ada pola pump & dump.



Tapi, semoga saja ini hanya pola early tokens, platformnya juga banyak yang gunakan nantinya dan menjadi salah satu proyek Indonesia yang sukses (harapannya sih gitu).

Kayaknya sih karena adanya Hype, efek dari berita lokal yang muncul dalam beberapa hari belakang. Di market Latoken dan P2PPB2B harganya juga terpaut jauh, jadi bisa dibilang volume trading dari token ini masih kecil dan biasanya untuk market token/coin yang memiliki volume kecil adalah sasaran empuk buat skema Pump & Dump  Grin

Selain itu, dari data yang ada terlihat 50% lebih dari total max supply coin di hold oleh 3 address. Jika melihat hal ini, sepertinya ane curiga ya ketiganya adalah dari rekanan indra kusuma juga. Dengan 50% dikuasai oleh 3 address, ya akan mudah mereka menggoreng harga coin tersebut dengan kepemilikan seperti itu.
1. 30.3219% address 0xfb73079c5fa522131f9bc8be274c9e06907cda97
2. 17.3311% address 0xced56660071abd8d7a02f3dc9d4204b9f08a01db
3. 15.2502% address 0xae372c7913c8bb9be15692ac649fa66088765ebd
793  Economy / Economics / Re: Can the world be without poverty on: July 07, 2021, 01:32:28 PM
There will always be wealth inequality in the world. But from what I can see, with some exceptions (such as Sub-Saharan Africa), this wealth disparity is reducing with time. Extreme poverty is rare nowadays, even in Africa. Some of the countries such as China claims to have completely eradicated extreme poverty. But they achieved this through tough family planning measures. For African countries, this is not practical because they don't believe in family planning. So it will take more time to eradicate extreme poverty in these countries.

If we talk about poverty, even that's extreme or not, poverty is poverty. We walk through the city and look around, certainly, you will meet some guys who ask you a little bit of money that you have. A world without poverty, what I see, there's no more people who can't fulfill their life's needs without lack. There is no more place for you to give ur charity. As long you meet them, the world is still a place for inequality.
794  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Sadarlah, Orang Terkenal Bukan Untuk Kamu Jadikan Pegangan! on: July 06, 2021, 03:38:18 PM
Baru baru ini ane baca di media sosial bahwa Indra kusuma meluncurka crypto karya anak bangsa no 1yang dinamai Botxcoin. Sehubungan dengan Indra yang rame di media sosial karna kekayaannya hasil trading katanya dan sekarang dia meluncurkan coin baru yang akan masuk ke Indodax. Bagaimana menurut om disini melihat fenomena yang masih ada kaitannya dengan orang terkenal sejauh yg ane tau. Maaf kalo kurang tepat di bahas pada thread ini. Ane hanya penasaran liat pandangan temen yang lainnya terkait coin baru tsb.
795  Economy / Economics / Re: Can the world be without poverty on: July 06, 2021, 02:52:53 PM
World can change as a place without poverty. For the same we need to sacrifice more and a transition to the old stone age needs to happen.

In the early days there is no money, people lived with what they had. If you have something for the day, you share it with rest of the people surrounding you. Today that isn't possible and we can't expect the same to happen again.

Next way is the initiative from government. When there are billionaires who had got money higher than a government, surely there'll be poverty. This imbalance can be made equal through effective plans and for this governments can make billionaires adopt villages and make development and provide opportunity for the upliftment.

I can say loudly that world without poverty is non sense. Why? Look at this time, the gap is so far. Not only about economic but also mentality. Some poor people are not only poor in wealth but also poor in mind.  If you want to tell me whether this world can be without poverty, it is the same if I ask whether all humans can have belief in the same religion?  In the book which I read, it is taught how to manage the nation and state with zakat.  Zakat is able to provide a solution to poverty and inequality.  But is Zakat accepted in all countries?  Not.  such is poverty.
796  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: You got a pifzer ? Then you can be eligible for lottery in Poland. on: July 06, 2021, 01:36:04 PM
I think Poland isn't the only country who made such a plan to encourage people taking the vaccine.


No, they aren't the only country that is doing this kind of strategy to convince people to take the vaccine. In our country, the government has been offering different kinds of good incentives just to attract more people to get vaccinated but lots of people still refuse it. We can't please or even convince everyone to take the vaccine because there has been lots of conspiracy and fake news being spread about the side effects of the vaccine. As for me, people only need assurance that they would be safe after being vaccinated.

In my country there has not been any action to persuade people to be vaccinated other than by banning those who have not been vaccinated from using air transportation.  A mandatory requirement for those wishing to board a plane is to be vaccinated.  Meanwhile, if you look at neighboring countries, the government is also active in making creative public service advertisements and is very enthusiastic about facing the new normal.
797  Economy / Economics / Re: A message from my bank saying they will not allow me to purchase from Binance on: July 06, 2021, 12:52:07 PM
About Binance, not only in the UK but also in my country the platform has been banned for long time because they dont have any legitimate. My country's financial services authorities have asked Binance lawyers for the legality of their platform but so far they have not been heeded.  It's only natural that until now Binance is also having problems in my country.  However, I can still trade on Binance with transfers between exchanges and this is not a problem at all.
798  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Finals in June 2021! on: July 05, 2021, 04:40:29 PM
Denmark reached the EURO 2020 semi final after a horror start, Eriksen cardiac arrest just might be the blessing in disguise which Denmark so dearly needed. Indeed this is beautiful, Denmark lost their first two games but now in the top 4. Absolutely they can reach the final though, a perfect EURO glory!
We have seem strong teams get knocked out...the likes of the Netherlands, Portugal, France, Germany, which leaves me thinking it's anybodies tournament at this point.

A bit of luck and skill and Denmark will be one game away from taking it home but should Italy go through I see them getting it.

Btw is Eriksen out of hospital?

Almost all of my friends choose to bet on Italy, because they think Italy is far superior to Spain.  If Italy wins later, it is certain that they will win the euro this year.  A team that is quite stable in its game is only natural if it is seeded. England will easily beat Denmark if they have a solid team as usual.  Because considering their goal is rarely penetrated and this is also an achievement.
799  Economy / Economics / Re: Infighting in Europe and US threatens global tax deal on: July 05, 2021, 04:06:47 PM
I see subsidies as a form of indulgence for society.  The clear evidence that it is a form of mass deception is in my country.  Because everything is subsidized, people's mentality is only mentally asking without thinking to create.  Only mentally demanding, not mentally opening up opportunities.  This is a form of cultivating laziness of thinking, and of cultivating laziness of people who do not work.  I do not agree to impose high taxes on entrepreneurs because they are the ones who create job opportunities.  The higher the tax, the higher the cost of the company and the impact is more expensive labor and production.  Instead of giving them high taxes, the government should make regulations that provide opportunities for entrepreneurs to create wider job opportunities.  Keeping supply and demand in the community stable so that the economy runs better.
800  Economy / Economics / Re: Die today, Die tommorrow, the same dying! still get vaccinated! on: July 05, 2021, 03:14:42 PM
Pandemics causes death, poverty and misery. This is far worse than a merit of weapons. It's very clear who his enemy is. This pandemic doesn't even know who we are your enemy, how it shapes but the impact is extraordinary. To rise from a pandemic, the ability to survive we have. The vaccine will not guarantee your health, only you and God are able to maintain your health. We cannot depend on anyone and anything now in addition to God's protection. Poverty, the crisis has become a great wall that must be traversed in the future.
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