However, I would encourage decodx as the OP on this topic and one of the potential victims of ww, to create a flag against them. It should be more of a warning and to reduce the damage and potential new victims. I will support such a flag, I will also be happy to withdraw my support if there is a positive resolution to the whole matter.
I already left a negative feedback after considering the possibility that anyone who is not aware can find themselves deposited their coins and they will have same fate like decodx. If decodx decides to create a flag then I suggest to post the Letter of Guarantee and create the flag. I will have no problem to support it. |
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By now, I think this topic deserves a Flag. Given the decentralized nature of the website, it's going to be difficult to prove someone was a victim for a type 2 or 3 Flag, but if someone wants to create a Newbie warning Flag, I'll Support it. If OP returns and resolves all issues I'll gladly Oppose the Flag, but until then, I think a yellow warning banner is warranted.
First thing: I do think a flag is necessary now just to alert, at least try to alert people not to use their mixer, although I do not see there are any deposits to the 2 of 3 address [hopefully they did not chance the destination address to move the deposits, has anyone tried to deposit some sats recently to check if the 2 of 3 address receives the fund?]. Second thing: I fail to understand where is the decentralized nature of the website. The funds are in hold by one person or at least he is pretending to be three person containing three keys. Have we even known who owns these keys? No. My suggestion: Everyone who have fund there in the notes, submit withdrawal [full amount], leave nothing. You will get the Letter of Guarantee. Verify the message. The letter will have withdrawal address and anyone can easily verify that the funds were not received. Do not use this address in the future just in case someone get a chance to tell that you received the funds. |
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Maybe you'll have more luck next time. New season just started and I'm sure we'll have many opportunities.  I have a 6 fold with the free bet received from LaLiga pool. This time I have straight wins for Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Napoli, Barcelona, and Real Madrid. All three leagues I am focusing in LOL |
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Also you can find the details related to all the bets in the spreadsheetYou made too many side bets. If you are able to finish over all of us then you are going to stash a lot of BTC LOL. Good luck again, it's a long season, 37x10 matches left. Anything can happen. Why Little Mouse - BitcoinGirl.Club sidebet filled with yellow orange? There are no way for Arsenal to win the title. |
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Does anyone know what the terms of the contract with @minerjones? Are 40k only for review campaign, or can they be used to compensate users if the service turns into scam?
I don't see a problem compensating the victims with the fund available in escrow. If a scammer scam someone and if an escrow have the fund then sending back the fund to the scammer will be weird. I am sure a lot of people joined their campaign knowing some $40k funds are in hold and the campaign manager is holding the signature payment. Is someone considering leaving a negative feedback to Whirlwind's feedback page? Or it is too early to do such thing, may be doing so will let them run away without changing their mind. One very important concern in the business model was the way they always encouraged people to keep the coins in their platform. All they provided was a private note with some numbers and text string, you can not use publicly to verify balance. Does it sound like a Ponzi scheme?
The idea of the site is unique and their technical background is good, but it seems that they do not have enough liquidity to create a decentralized mixing service. we'll have to wait a long time to see a mixing service with blinded bearer certificates. In bitcoin when someone is offering you to send them your coin and hold it in their custody, it's always unique LOL I will never allow a third party to hold even a 100 mbtc for me. Not your key not your coin, very simple. Regarding technical background, scammers are always smarter than average people or you and would never was scammed. |
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Received and already used it LOL. Six favorites to win their matches in the next round. Liverpool, City, Arsenal from EPL, Napoli from Italy and Real Madrid, Barcelona from Spain. All three leagues where I am focusing on are covered 😉 https://talkimg.com/images/2023/08/15/MadBG.pngCongrats, nice win! I haven't yet but I am hoping. It will be wired though if all these favorites win their own matches. From my gambling experience I know from these 6 selections at leas one will fail means at least one favorite will lose LOL |
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12.8 BTC is still sitting there... I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.  What was the number when they started their service with this address? In expense side: add $40k that they sent to minerjones add the money they spent for their review campaign add the money they spent in their signature campaign so far. Let me know if you see they are in profit? If they are or they are not, then how much is the difference? I feel the expense side will be lesser than the deposit side. If they want to scam then it's very easy, well planned. On the other hand, if they have more expense then the amount deposited, still it's possible for them to shut down the service. They may find themselves running this business is a totally loss. Sorry for not thinking positively. I balm them for it. Few hours, maximum 24 or 48 hours may seem reasonable but few days and no well plan to publicly announce anything is fishy business practice. edit. It makes more difficult to tell anything positive when the last outgoing transaction was 7 days ago from now: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/96f687580d2ddec4328b9fca8aff8edda74c0f7de16b8be2da81413545308de3 |
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Bump to this thread.
Kick off starts in less than 4 days.
How many members we have so far @Trofo
[1.] If you have not made your picks then pick your team before you missing it
[2.] Come on people, join. it's just 0.0015 btc to win over 50 to 60 mbtc.
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This Letter of Guarantee is useless I think if you are talking about the Letter when you deposited.
BitcoinGirl.Club I completely agree with both of your points. Regarding their withdrawal method, it seems like they wanted to emulate ChipMixer, although it seems to me that CM did it slightly better. You are also right about the Letter of Guarantee. Luckily I have both, but it wouldn't have been like that if I hadn't requested a withdrawal and the balance on my note disappeared. Point is, I will not trust a mixing service to hold my coin for long days. With Chipmixer they provided me the withdrawal private keys as soon as one confirmation was made of my deposit. When the private keys are in my possession, it was my responsibility to secure any coin on the keys, they never encouraged me to hold the coins in those private keys. I don't see anything for WWM that they wanted to emulate with Chipmixer. They wanted to take the empty space of Chipmixer and the hype they created was with the unexpected very high paying signature campaign. Look at it from the business perspective: [1.] Is the business making enough money? No. [2.] What is the ratio of business and marketing expense? Very abnormal ratio of expense than income. If I have a thousand btc then may be I can afford it, question is do they have a thousand btc? All we saw were few btc on that 2 of 3 address and $40k deposited to minerjones. I really hope I am wrong about them and they will come back to operate normal like before. One very important concern in the business model was the way they always encouraged people to keep the coins in their platform. All they provided was a private note with some numbers and text string, you can not use publicly to verify balance. Does it sound like a Ponzi scheme? So right now you have no balance is showing on your note but you did not receive the coin too? |
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Then, I am going to leave this post as temporary to verify when my withdrawal is in my wallet, that for additional reference purposes we can use deposit number 572 that according to W.M was made yesterday , and 571 3 days ago. Can someone post the 2 of 3 address from WWM? I don't want to send some test btc and find it myself. Basically, main people lost access due to travels while people still with access didn't have the right credentials to solve basic issues that caused withdraws to get stuck on the back-end. I've been assured that nothing has been lost and that all will be taken care of tomorrow meaning all currently pending withdraws will be processed and things return back to normal. It was an unfortunate situation is all!
It sounds like they are running a hobby instead of a business. Really I will have a business where I am going to allow incoming btc but making excuse of not processing outgoing btc because travels, credential issue this and that, then it continues for days. I hope what they are telling is true. But a business needs to be more serious about their customers' funds. |
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I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has offered their support here. I appreciate it. Unfortunately, there hasn't been any progress on my whirlwind case. My money is still stuck with them, and the available balance on my private note displays: 0 BTC, without any explanation provided whatsoever. I get that a hundred bucks or so might not be a big deal to a bunch of folks here, but it's a big deal to me. It's not gonna break the bank, but hey, it's still my money we're talking about!
I'm really open to hearing your thoughts on what my next move should be. What would you do if you were in my shoes? Your opinions are much appreciated!
Honestly, I didn't like the whole idea of staking on their platform from the beginning. I see every mixer as a platform that should serve as simply as possible and in the shortest time. When we add to that the regular difficulties and risks for each mixer, holding Bitcoin there is a bad idea for users. I talked about it at the beginning of the implementation of this ideaPoint [1.] When someone is going to ask me to stake my bitcoin in a wallet where I have no control then I will say no. Not my key not my coin. I fail to understand why bitcointalk members fail to realize this simple law of bitcoin. Point [2.] Considering the nature of the business [mixers], I like something which will give my coins as fast as it is possible. Today a mixer looks very popular and promising, after few hours it can be seized by the authority or anything can happen and if my coins are there then I will lose it. Unusual mixing method nature: Here is another thing I find really bad. Normally when an address is given from a mixer with their Letter of Guarantee, the letter includes deposit address, amount [either deposit or withdrawal] and withdrawal address. Give attention, there are THREE key information you need to verify instead of trusting the words and all three should be in the letter. But unfortunately in WWM you have no chance to have these three keys together. The note system made is complected. If I send 1 btc to mix and then if I withdraw 0.5 btc and 0.5 left in my note but today if that disappears and WWM demands that I myself withdrew it, how will I prove it wrong?
I've got all the evidence, and I sent it to them privately because I didn't want to put it out in the open just yet. I've got my note's public address, the Letter of Guarantee, the TXID for my deposit, and I can even sign the address I used to deposit if they want. Of course, I don't know how to prove that I didn't get anything back since they haven't made any transaction from their end.
This Letter of Guarantee is useless I think if you are talking about the Letter when you deposited. |
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It took some time to get it, but it finally came last week. I had no time to post about it because I spent the whole month traveling, but here goes:  Thanks Betnomi! ❤️️ Too late, they are long gone LOL The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam) : This is something fresh for you to study. By the way, don't cry later if the ledger wallet steal your crypto, who knows may be Betnomi created a backdoor in that device and when you will store something they will steal it. Are you not aware of Ledger recent update 😉? The question to all of your is, do you think that ledgers can be modified by them so they can acces and steal al your coins? I feel the answer is becoming repeated. I already answered it many times but anyway here it is again. It's completely possible to hire an embedded programmer and change the functionality of any device. Leger is close source, you as an end user can not verify anything if anyone do any trick. |
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Hey guys,
Free Bets for 0.5 mBTC have been credited to your Sportsbet accounts.
Received and already used it LOL. Six favorites to win their matches in the next round. Liverpool, City, Arsenal from EPL, Napoli from Italy and Real Madrid, Barcelona from Spain. All three leagues where I am focusing on are covered 😉  Well, ended up being a "good" round after all for me, with nine points and being in 4º position. Looking now for the next round.
I had bad rounds in both EPL and LaLiga. Hopefully I will be able to catch up soon. |
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Let's celebrate. A straight win for us and over 0.5 goals in Tottenham match.
But you got 0.5 in first half here. After all goals were scored in the fist half, it's a win of course. Well I lost this bet as Liverpool were not able to win their match, unfortunately though. Sadly I lost the other bet too. I had Barcelona to win with another selection. When team like Barcelona fail to win then the day becomes bad for gamblers and it's surely a day for house. So, I lost both free bets LOL I got another free bet, I guess it's from the LaLiga pool. |
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I'm still open to some of these (Haaland under 33,5 still available after yesterday):
Let me know your odd? Last season he scored 36 goals. If he don't catch an injury then his possibility for over 33.5 is higher even he can score more than 36 goals too. Equal odds - I say he'll go under 33,5 in the league. Individual performance based bet means relaying on one individual. It's hard to predict many factors, factors like health comes first, no doubt about the ability though but one simple injury can ruin everything. Lately I am thinking to walk away. I will pass. Sorry - missed this. Yup, it's a deal. Add it to the spreadsheet?
Deal. I have added it to the spreadsheet. You are going to come to my mind every time Haaland scores in the league this season. Good luck you two. How much did you bet? |
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my forum username is the same as my superbru  and my prediction for that match is mallorca to win but sadly they are down at the moment Another exact score from you and now it's three. How did you do that? Finally Real Madrid earned me some points after 4 consecutive wrong picks. Happy that at least got some something. All 27 of us now have something to cheer for LOL We reach the 27 players, impresive, a big number to ours pools.
Considering the last season [that heard from Trofo] it is indeed a very good number. We all did well to spread the words. |
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This is one of the reasons I love sportsbet.io and Steve team. I read yesterday about the random drops and wanted to check if I was one of the lucky one. It seems I am 😉  Thank you brother. Let's celebrate. A straight win for us and over 0.5 goals in Tottenham match. I am not too positive about Tottenham to win LOL  I am planning to use the other free bet in live match may be after seeing the merit of the first slip. |
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I'm still open to some of these (Haaland under 33,5 still available after yesterday):
Let me know your odd? Last season he scored 36 goals. If he don't catch an injury then his possibility for over 33.5 is higher even he can score more than 36 goals too. I had 0 - 3 for City yesterday but few hours before the kick off I changed it to 0 - 2 LOL. Lost an easy 1.5 points. I also have same problem first I was thinking that Manchester City is going to win this match by 0 - 3 but as I was going to click on superbru I change this from 0 - 3 to 0 - 4 bad decision from myself hurt me badly right now. Well i made a first result 0-2 and was thinking City was gonna destroy them so i up’ed it to 0-3 so for me a perfect start so far with a perfect result. Hopefully now Arsenal starts scoring ,they are putting presure on them really hard but Nothinghem Forrest parked the bus. Who is Colorpoll54? Unknown username to me. Whoever he is, it seems his chances to win the yellow cap is high. LTU_btc is doing well in both PL and La Liga pool. It seems your lucky week LOL. I am not even in the list yet. So far 5.5, may be one more today which will make 6.5. Not a good start of course. Castle are on fire. 5 - 1 and few minutes left. Luton's start was below average. |
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I am yet to score a single point. First three match no point for me, in fact only two were able to get some points and user entebah [what is your forum username] is killing it. Two exact scores with 6 points where the other one is only 1.5 points. Rest of us yet to score anything LOL
I don't think I will be able to score any point in Las Palmas vs Mallorca too. 1 - 0 down. No a good start in the pool.
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I'm still open to some of these (Haaland under 33,5 still available after yesterday):
Let me know your odd? Last season he scored 36 goals. If he don't catch an injury then his possibility for over 33.5 is higher even he can score more than 36 goals too. I had 0 - 3 for City yesterday but few hours before the kick off I changed it to 0 - 2 LOL. Lost an easy 1.5 points. |
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