*raises revolver to head slowly*
I would have went with the semi-automatic.... revolver wont give you enough bullets for the amount of these popping up. I was raising it to my own. Don't want to live in a world anymore where this is okay. |
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*raises revolver to head slowly*
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Found this on bitbet, not sure on date or genuineness as you can make up names: BFL_Josh
Having some problems with the FCC. Some electricity safety tests are required before we are able to submit documents for approval. Also for luls: BFL_Josh
Had a fire at shop today. First chips are destroyed but new chips are on their way from the foundry. Still shipping by the end of April.
http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/ |
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No need to run a bitcoin client in order to mining.
Plug the Eruptor USB, install driver(if Windows), configure and run cgminer with a pool.
You forgot to tell him to call his company network administrator and ask him to look the other way when cgminer traffic goes through the HTTP proxy. Mining pool hosts in the proxy reports will raise big red flags. What, you mean that like 2kb of data every 10 seconds? |
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Why sell ONE unit, they'd make - if their claims are true - 5-20x more by mining than selling.
Give me the exact calculation how you arrived at that point. My calculations show, that I am going to get 40USD per day in profits for the 175GHa/s unit costing 4000USD in September or October, bad case simulated. The situation on the market will be horrible at that time. They are the manufacturers of those units, tell me how that are not going to keep many of those in their offices to provide the heating during the winter... Because their cost price isnt $4k on a $4k retail product lol. |
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The website frontend has entered "Under Attack" mode temporarily due to another person spamming brute force attempts. This shouldn't affect most users, but will affect scripts which poll the website/API due to under attack mode using browser-based javascript to distinguish legit users. I will be turning this on/off over the next hour to gather information on the attacker so I can work on blocking it without crippling API polling applications.
*channels global testicle punch* |
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I need help with stratum-proxy not connect blade to work
Download and install teamviewer, its free. Its so much easier for me to just do it and set it up than try and troubleshoot remotely. |
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Need help with stratum-proxy
Do you have team viewer? If so PM me and I'll do it |
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dogie,
He raised the money to make B1 by selling pre-orders.
He claims to wish to be a chip manufacturer... in reality he is a chip reseller,
If he was as altruistic as you claim, he would NOT charge markupsmas they currently are.
xD He is funding the next generation of chips, you're really really far behind. Why is that? Because he wishes to sell them? The tripling of Batch #3 price... where did all those BTC go? To pay for next gen to secure the network. I'm not claiming anything, this is from him. |
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dogie,
He raised the money to make B1 by selling pre-orders.
He claims to wish to be a chip manufacturer... in reality he is a chip reseller,
If he was as altruistic as you claim, he would NOT charge markupsmas they currently are.
xD He is funding the next generation of chips, you're really really far behind. |
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MineFuhrer - fucking copyrighting that bitch.
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They don't have great ideologies like Yifu You really believe that Yifu has some ideology other than making bank? Yes. He SOLD B1 for 300k rather than mining it for $3-8m a MONTH.
$5m seed funding when you're playing with 1 month mining + 2 month lead IRL ROIs. Prove the concept as soon as first hardware deploys = as much funding as you can take.
So now from $50m we are down to $5m? I'm still waiting for you to tell me how long would it take to actually mine $50m or even $5m. The numbers may be big now, but don't forget that until September there will be many many ASIC in the wild (avalon chips, MAYBE retards bfl, ASICMiner plan to deploy another 100TH, 100TH project, Bitfury and so on) so you can't actually make a good projection on how mining will be. Second of all nobody can predict the price. What's the use of xxxxxx bitcoins if the price is way lower than it is today. Why do you think none of the people who made ASIC raised the funds totally outside the bitcoin community? I think many thought about it, but actually doing so may be a lot harder that it seems. If you think it's that easy go ahead and do it yourself. Find a good team of ASIC developers, find someone with money and start mining for yourself  If i understood correctly they aren't doing a full custom ASIC chip. They are doing a hard copy from a FPGA one and that seems to be a lot easier and a lot cheaper to do than a custom one. P.S. of course they can run tomorrow with the money, but the probability is a lot smaller than BFL let's say. Edit: TheSwede75 i know bitcoin it's the hottest thing, but comparing to any other real life business i still think that there are a lot more skeptics when it comes to this. What amount of money do you say it could be easily funded for a bitcoin business? Its not about mining $50m instantly, its a fucking investment. You need to do some googling on funding rounds mate. |
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I can respect your thought process on this one, however don't underestimate the motivation for riches... I'm not rich by any means, but I can tell that if I had the knowledge, means, and most importantly a couple of million dollars that magically landed into my account by random strangers I would make it my goal in life to shit asic's if that was what was needed to keep the money flowing. Now by no means are these guys rich or proven, which arguably works against them, but I'm sure they will give it their damndest to make sure they can give something to their grandchildren. Hopefully its not just a couple million they swindled off some schmucks online... but time will tell. As for the whole idea of mining your way to success, any investor worth his weight in salt wouldn't even think about dropping 50 million , let alone a million on a unofficially recognized currency that's volatile as hell, and has virtually no serious outlets in which to dump all your golden coins(and no, I doubt Mt'Gox would be able to bring in enough dollars to unload all the coin at a profitable rate). They know this... Its better to sell 10 suckers a pick and get a surefire quick buck than it is to spend hours trying to pan for gold, even if we are the asses wanting the pick, its not hard to understand the concept.  Admittedly, I am invested in this whole thing, and I have to admit that myself like others are dreaming of sunshine and rainbows, and close to a terrahash of mining power in an environment where BTC is at-least worth $100 USD and difficulty lingering around 100M. But I am also aware that it could all be a very expensive lesson and nothing more than a pipe dream. Alot of people are overextended in this, and I hope for those that are mortgaging the house that it pays off but the reality is, your right... there is risk, but nothing good ever comes easy, and Fortune favors the bold. Lets just hope everyone makes it out of this without triggering another mortgage crisis... Not every investor wears a suit and tie. US investors are known for their risk taking, hence massive SV 1st round funding. Risk reward. Look at asicminer. He got lots of americans to end up valuing his company at $7m. |
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The difficulty will be higher after B2 completes and all of us get our B3s (~100THs). Then there are the avalon chip sales following 4 to 8 weeks from now (200THs).
Current network hash power is around 120TH/s. So.. we are looking at 2x difficulty with shipment of B2 and B3 ~ 240TH/s (Difficulty ~32M)... and then doubling again with Avalon chip sales not too long after ~480TH/s (difficulty 64M).
This is ignoring all of the competitors who won't be sitting still (like Asic Miner and bitfury).
I am hopeful that if difficulty can stay under 100M+ for 4 months, then our Batch3s can break even in 6 or 7 months. At 100M difficulty, an overclocked 4module B3 (~97GH/s) should return around .5 BTC a day.
I am not complaining... just stating facts as they have been communicated.
Using todays difficulty projections for our batch is misleading at best.
Sigh.... as Yifu himself said, chips don't just magically come online. They'll be staggered July-Dec |
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Just look at a 1U heatsink fan on a typical Xeon. Even if the CPU is only 90W, you'll have a 45dba centrifugal heatsink for that ONE cpu, using a solid copper heatsink.
1U sounds noiser than vaccum cleaner when booting up or full load... Got one to office once to debug. Everyone looked up shocked when i turned the sucker on... Yep. And thats for what, 100-200W? Imagine the density of some of the designs we've seen here. Not all 1U servers are 100W... or 200W... come on. Average what 200 to 400W. And I guess I shouldn't have bogarted the thread with a 1U server... we are supposed to be talking K16 Casing. We're guessing at what he just dragged into his office. I doubt he has a super dense 400W 1U server in a work space lol. Have fun trying to use a phone. My comments were actually made in regard to  |
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Avalons were always sold with the price formula of a 30 day ROI on arrival, so 45-60 isn't THAT bad.
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Just look at a 1U heatsink fan on a typical Xeon. Even if the CPU is only 90W, you'll have a 45dba centrifugal heatsink for that ONE cpu, using a solid copper heatsink.
1U sounds noiser than vaccum cleaner when booting up or full load... Got one to office once to debug. Everyone looked up shocked when i turned the sucker on... Yep. And thats for what, 100-200W? Imagine the density of some of the designs we've seen here. |
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Thats fine. I own avalons and (possibly used to) own asic miner hardware. Its not a large portfolio, its not integral to my way of life, and if it was valued at 0 tomorrow I'd be annoyed but not devastated. I couldn't care less if this was Avalon suddenly saying 300000000000GH for $1, I have no allegiances to any company. Its too good to be true: - tiny process no one has even attempted to get close to. Smallest actual miner today is 90nm [ignoring bfl as no significant quantity and their problems]
- massive, massive hash rates predicted
- tiny power consumption predicted
- really cheap prices
- 3 month lead time
- excellent engineers, apparently really clever
All promised without any designs shown, a shitty drawing of a potential case that doesn't even make sense, no pictures of any actual ASIC hardware. Anyone can rock up an FPGA - that's not proof of anything [watch everyone concentrate on this sentence *sigh*].. .... and all the while they're a for profit company. They don't have great ideologies like Yifu, they're here to make money. And how do you make money with a miner you designed? You mine on it. You create a proof of concept, raise funds then deploy the shit out of it. You don't advertise it on a forum, collect preorder money then sell it drip by drip for rock bottom prices. All combined, too good to be true. If these were preordering at 3x the price then it would make more sense, but they know *something* we don't yet. I get what your saying and I can appreciate it, thank you for bringing the other side of the coin to light. Perhaps they see that Avalon is not shipping and they may be able to beat them to market en mass, bfl isn't shipping en mass either. At this point as far as I can tell, nobody is shipping any ASIC's in any kind of quantity to the general public. If somebody is, point it out to me and I will gladly pay them to ship me a unit that has an actual positive ROI and not some shitty little 333MH/s usb miner for 1.99 BTC each (are you kidding me here on this). People are paying $400+ for these things on ebay. My gut says that with the BS coming out of the Avalon camp (10 chips to test with on an $800,000 order, are you kidding me) to stay away. Maybe I am wrong here, Maybe I misread or misunderstood the issues with Avalon, if I am then kindly point them out, but it looks to me that Avalon are not shipping what they say they are. Is Batch 1, 2 and 3 out the door yet?? Avalon should probably be discussed elsewhere, but the difference is we have actual evidence, proof, miners from Avalon. Batch 1 was the risky one, unknown Chinese company, fresh graduates etc. B1 buyers probably made 100k a unit, but Avalon had 'for the greater good' philosophies. You've raised an important point, this appears to be the best current option. That doesn't make it a good option though. Its like if you go to Mcdonalds and all they've run out of fries. All they have are those fucking retarded carrot sticks, or apple slices. Apple slices are probably the better bet out of the two, but it doesn't make it good. |
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Reserved for flaming
Edit: You were going so well until you got to the 'crowdfunding' bit. Oh, and the "3-6 weeks bit". If you were actually controlling/planning the project you'd have a more concrete time more than +/- 25%
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I really don't think this is the "venturi" layout you're looking for. There is no significant reduction in cross section, just a hell of a lot of turbulent flow. I really think that even with a middle row of fans you'd struggle to remove that crazy amount of heat from there.
It is smooth not very turbulent through the fins it is basically less turbulent than the Avalon design given the proximate distance to the fins and as the fans are face mounted this will provide a much more stable and direct airflow across the fins even without baffles. Unless you have a simulator shows airflow I suspect you are speculating just as much as I am? Testing this will not be an issue since the modular design of the boards means break down and re-configuring is simple. So I will be testing it with and without baffles to see what happens and get temp readings. Having a larger opening (volume) at the front and smaller space (volume) at the back along with having 2 banks of fans I don't think there will be any issues given this is based right off other server designs with a lot more obstruction of the airflow. I don't see this being an issue at all but again I will test it out and provide feed back. If it works I'll throw up the SketchUp plans so people can modify them for KICAD or what not be keen to see others work on this as well. Not been stalking for a while. I'm not going to simulate this in CFD, because there are way too many variables to make the simulations tell us ANYTHING useful. 'Turbulence' essentially = Reynolds number, and is a function of length travelling over a surface. For heatsinks this large/long/arranged in a pattern, you're well into turbulent flow at any sensible air flow. You're going to need a hell of a lot of pressure to maintain the airflow you need to maintain the heat transfer you need, especially as the effective ambient will probably be 50C for the 2nd+ bank. Heat transfer is a function of temp difference, so each time you try and remove heat with the same air, it gets harder and harder. The difference to commercial servers is: 1) Typically use centrifugal blowers, much higher air pressure [required to overcome frictional losses] 2) Are VERY VERY VERY VERY noisy, because the airflows required are insane. Just look at a 1U heatsink fan on a typical Xeon. Even if the CPU is only 90W, you'll have a 45dba centrifugal heatsink for that ONE cpu, using a solid copper heatsink. |
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