The remaining amount 2221.40€ (current bitcoin.de price 592.01€ = 3.7523 BTC), needs to be payed before the lawyer submits the complaint next week.
The exact amount may change a little bit if the price of Bitcoin goes up or down.
0.95 BTC are still needed to get to 3.75 BTC https://blockchain.info/address/1PHDaiUMq5u3WTAwmYv7ioNnKfEGYXBtmT |
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No joke. I have several e-mails with Sam aka Alberto over the past few months. The reply i received yesterday was from a e-mail sent a while ago so i was surprised that he would reply back after some time has passed.
Any screenshots? You know as well as I that on the internet nothing is true until a screenshot is provided. Even though I am also joining the lawsuit and have nothing positive to say about the fraudsters, I won't eat up any claim about anything. Really? give me 10mn and I ll provide you with a screenshot of a letter from Obama stating Sam is about to release 50 TH/s. Hell, I ll throw in a Photo of him with alberto having martinis in the galapados :] Joke aside, I believe screenshots are the most unreliable thing on internet... |
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Sent BTC.12
Happy Hunting.
Transaction id: 0ea51d2c1aa9b765126c252ece5ffa70dc5a02c81c20c515b1453b34ac2f732d
Nice. We're still 0.9 BTC short. There are 43 donations, and knowing that some of you donated more than once, that means that around 1/2 of the complainants didn't make any donations. Now is the time, make your country proud, donate your bitcoins.  |
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could someone give me the post what do i have to submit the E.Sam regarding the criminal complaint? Like personal information, number of shares..etc.
thanks
The thread about the lawsuit is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.0Send a pm to virtualspade ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=144825) stating your amount of shares. He should answer you back with instructions (the deadline for submitting complaints was last friday, but they might be flexible on this). Normally you should calculate how much BTC you have spent (buying shares), how much you gained (selling shares + dividends), subtract the later to the former to calculate loss and send this along with an ID scan to the Italian lawyer. To get all this trade info: Hi guys,
I'm still up to this! I already know the lawyer, I met him at the end of November during the first "official" Italian Bitcoin meeting. He's also the official lawyer of the Italian Bitcoin Association and he did a great job with all the "paperwork" needed to start the association in Italy (we got so much bureaucracy here, it's pure madness).
He already got my information, the missing part is about Labcoin: I have to resume everything and with the closure of Btct it's quite a mess (I have to track down the trading emails, the Bitcoin exchange value, etc).
He's also "lurking" on the forum, honestly I can't think anyone better than him for this task.
Hey Jimmy, Burnside should have sent you your API to you registered BTCT mail. From there you just download CVS files, open them in Excel and add some formulas. Very quick. For Cryptostocks, Kumala made it more complicated as your account only shows the last 50 transactions. Had to go through mails and manually enter the infos for the remaining trades/dividends. Maybe you can have access to your full history via API, didn't try it out. |
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Labcoin! Labcoin! Labcoin!
Yeeeeey, Labcoin!
Edit:
Do you guys think it's wise to throw away more money at a lawyer, that will probably get you nothing?
Yes, even if nothing is to be gained. Hunting down fraudster to clean up this community, and act as a deterrent to others, is worth it. |
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I thought Ethereum was launching tonight at midnight, did that change?
I read through this forum waiting for someone to ask, but never saw the question. I'm starting to think I had my dates wrong.
If you are talking about the IPO launch, then no. - Ethereum will be made available for purchase on February 1st, 2014 at a price of 0.001 BTC for 1 Ether (base unit of the system)
At what time (please also state the timezone) will the IPO start on Feb 1st? Good old 00:00 GMT IPO countdown: |
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That's mean we have to wait 7 days and 21 hours ? |
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Is there a public list of shares traded? Because I ended up selling the ones I had on btctc and sending the btc to cryptostocks and buying shares there.
You can get your full trade & dividend history from BTCT with your API key, mailed to you recently. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.msg4511034#msg4511034Cryptostocks sends email alerts for trades and dividends. In Cryptostocks if you navigate to account/legend you'll find your last 50 transactions. Copy/past this a excel file and add formulas to calculate lost Bitcoins (bought shares - sold shares - dividends). If more then 50 transactions, then you'll need to add manually from email alerts (as mentioned by canth). |
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Hello everyone, Sorry that I haven't been more active here the last day's, I have been very busy with other thing's. I still have some thing's to take care of today and in 6-7 h I'll be putting my full attention to this case again. Also I like to mention that handling legal issues is not some ting I have done before, my expertise is being a sys admin, construction work, and electrician. So I apologize if I'm not handling this case perfectly, I only started this thread because some one needed to do it, and no one else was doing it. It's a good thing I'm a quick learner  , next case will be much easier, and handled more professionally. Ok, I'll try to break down the issues in the last posts now, About the time table for the submission of the complaint, When I started to communicate with the lawyer, he told me he was very busy setting up the Italian Bitcoin foundation and that we were looking at submitting the complaint mid January, there has been a slight delay now. I'm sure thats because last years xmas holidays and new year holiday. I tried to take care of some business those two weeks, but found it impossible as all companies, official offices and banks were almost closed for those two weeks. And I'm sure the lawyer was not working during those holidays. About the issue of trust in sending personal information to the lawyer, I understand the issue of sending personal information to some one you don't know, I should have handled the issue better, I knew like SebastianJu and the rest of the LCSH that the lawyer was working for the Italian Bitcoin foundation, and that we had checked his credentials in the best way we could do without actually going to Italy to meet him. Also I knew that jimmy3dita had met him and he gave a good impression about him. I was going to ask jimmy3dita to confirm this now when the issue was brought up, but he did that before I could ask him, thank you for doing that. I should have given more information about the lawyer before asking you to send him your information. About the remaining amount of needed donations, The remaining amount of the invoice I have is about 2200€, we payed 2853,80€ of the invoice with the first round of donations, the compliant will be submitted next week to the authorities, and then it will be time to pay the rest. If Bitcoin will hold it's current price level that would mean we still need 3.57 BTC (bitcoin.de price), we have currently have 0.415 in the donations wallet, so about 3.15 BTC is still needed. The dead line for sending your information to the lawyer is Friday 24.01 2014 09.00 GMTAnd finally a email I receive from the lawyer today, some parts edited out: Hallo, I received a lot of e-mails from people hurt by Labcoin. Friday I'll met with the criminal lawyer to add to the draft all the data transmitted by the people. Someone sent incomplete information or no personal data at all, but just the nicknames an trading history. These people will not be put into the complaint. Anyway, currently we are good to go with the numbers. I think it will be a good idea to put a deadline at Friday for joining the complaint. Next week I'll try to arrange a meeting with police officers and then I'll submit the complaint. Sincerely Thank you HauntingShade for your information regarding Alberto, I will contact you later today. So any and all question you still have, I will try to answer later today when I have more time to work on the case. Thank you for your support, virtualspade |
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Hello everyone, Sorry that I haven't been more active here the last day's, I have been very busy with other thing's. I still have some thing's to take care of today and in 6-7 h I'll be putting my full attention to this case again. Also I like to mention that handling legal issues is not some ting I have done before, my expertise is being a sys admin, construction work, and electrician. So I apologize if I'm not handling this case perfectly, I only started this thread because some one needed to do it, and no one else was doing it. It's a good thing I'm a quick learner , next case will be much easier, and handled more professionally. Ok, I'll try to break down the issues in the last posts now, About the time table for the submission of the complaint, When I started to communicate with the lawyer, he told me he was very busy setting up the Italian Bitcoin foundation and that we were looking at submitting the complaint mid January, there has been a slight delay now. I'm sure thats because last years xmas holidays and new year holiday. I tried to take care of some business those two weeks, but found it impossible as all companies, official offices and banks were almost closed for those two weeks. And I'm sure the lawyer was not working during those holidays. About the issue of trust in sending personal information to the lawyer, I understand the issue of sending personal information to some one you don't know, I should have handled the issue better, I knew like SebastianJu and the rest of the LCSH that the lawyer was working for the Italian Bitcoin foundation, and that we had checked his credentials in the best way we could do without actually going to Italy to meet him. Also I knew that jimmy3dita had met him and he gave a good impression about him. I was going to ask jimmy3dita to confirm this now when the issue was brought up, but he did that before I could ask him, thank you for doing that. I should have given more information about the lawyer before asking you to send him your information. About the remaining amount of needed donations, The remaining amount of the invoice I have is about 2200€, we payed 2853,80€ of the invoice with the first round of donations, the compliant will be submitted next week to the authorities, and then it will be time to pay the rest. If Bitcoin will hold it's current price level that would mean we still need 3.57 BTC (bitcoin.de price), we have currently have 0.415 in the donations wallet, so about 3.15 BTC is still needed. The dead line for sending your information to the lawyer is Friday 24.01 2014 09.00 GMTAnd finally a email I receive from the lawyer today, some parts edited out: Hallo, I received a lot of e-mails from people hurt by Labcoin. Friday I'll met with the criminal lawyer to add to the draft all the data transmitted by the people. Someone sent incomplete information or no personal data at all, but just the nicknames an trading history. These people will not be put into the complaint. Anyway, currently we are good to go with the numbers. I think it will be a good idea to put a deadline at Friday for joining the complaint. Next week I'll try to arrange a meeting with police officers and then I'll submit the complaint. Sincerely Thank you HauntingShade for your information regarding Alberto, I will contact you later today. So any and all question you still have, I will try to answer later today when I have more time to work on the case. Thank you for your support, virtualspade |
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I sent another 0.8389BTC so i donated a total of 2BTC now. Please guys donate the remaining 2.315BTC to get to the total 7.27BTC the lawyer needs. There are only a couple workdays till next week anymore and im sure many others lost not a few bitcoins only with labcoin too.
It would be great if this runs without further delays.
Thanks SebastianJu. Please everyone who hasn't yet donated, now would be the moment. If 24 shareholders give 0.1 btc, we're there. |
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Did anyone else received a confirmation from Riccardo? I explicitly asked for one in my first mail, but didn't get any answer.
It would be nice to know that all sent documents were delivered and in order before Friday's deadline.
Yes, I have confirmation from the lawyer via e-mail. Try to write him again. Just got one as well. |
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Did anyone else received a confirmation from Riccardo? I explicitly asked for one in my first mail, but didn't get any answer.
It would be nice to know that all sent documents were delivered and in order before Friday's deadline.
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Hi guys,
I'm still up to this! I already know the lawyer, I met him at the end of November during the first "official" Italian Bitcoin meeting. He's also the official lawyer of the Italian Bitcoin Association and he did a great job with all the "paperwork" needed to start the association in Italy (we got so much bureaucracy here, it's pure madness).
He already got my information, the missing part is about Labcoin: I have to resume everything and with the closure of Btct it's quite a mess (I have to track down the trading emails, the Bitcoin exchange value, etc).
He's also "lurking" on the forum, honestly I can't think anyone better than him for this task.
Hey Jimmy, Burnside should have sent you your API to you registered BTCT mail. From there you just download CVS files, open them in Excel and add some formulas. Very quick. For Cryptostocks, Kumala made it more complicated as your account only shows the last 50 transactions. Had to go through mails and manually enter the infos for the remaining trades/dividends. Maybe you can have access to your full history via API, didn't try it out. |
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Just wanted to voice my support for everything said here. Would gladly give 5/10 percent to VS and the legal team. I lost my shirt in this debacle too. Does anyone know how much is still needed for lawyer fees, I would like to contribute.
@VirtualSpade - I PM'd you earlier today about joining the complaint, please get back to me at your earliest convenience.
Here is the address: https://blockchain.info/address/1PHDaiUMq5u3WTAwmYv7ioNnKfEGYXBtmTIf I remember correctly, we need to get 7 - 7.5 BTC to cover the costs. So another 3 - 3.5 BTC is needed. |
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I m not sure that it would actually make much difference (if I remember correctly, this has been previously discussed).
From what I understood: The lawyer built the case and he's going to hand it over to the italian department of justice. They will then decide on the course of action (we could give 10% to the judge, but I m afraid this is not entirely legal).
What is needed for now is getting the remaining 3-4 BTC for his fees (the lawyer that is).
I think the eventual problem will be to actually locate the perpetrator (if someone is found guilty of fraud), arrest him and bring him to court. We can either count on the italian police force, interpol, the hosting country authorities etc... or get a bounty hunter (from what I have googled, I believe fees are around 10%).
Not saying this is the way to go, but I believe that would be a wiser way to spend 700 BTCs (1/2 M $).
Just my 2 cents.
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Hello everyone,
60 PM's sent now, I hit my 60 PM/h limit and will be sending 60 more in one hour, and then the rest in 2h. If you have joined the complaint and don't receive a PM from me within 6h please contact me via PM.
I forgot to mention in the 60 first messages that the trading history from cryptostocks also needs to be included, and the calculation of the total amount of lost BTC should include the trades/dividends from that site also, you can make a cryptostocks.txt file from the information on the Legend page an attach that in the email to the lawyer.
And thank you everyone for your support and your offer to donate 5% of anything we get back to me, I also like to mention that some of the the LCSH members have put much work in to this case also, so some credit should go to them also.
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Hello everyone,
60 PM's sent now, I hit my 60 PM/h limit and will be sending 60 more in one hour, and then the rest in 2h. If you have joined the complaint and don't receive a PM from me within 6h please contact me via PM.
I forgot to mention in the 60 first messages that the trading history from cryptostocks also needs to be included, and the calculation of the total amount of lost BTC should include the trades/dividends from that site also, you can make a cryptostocks.txt file from the information on the Legend page an attach that in the email to the lawyer.
And thank you everyone for your support and your offer to donate 5% of anything we get back to me, I also like to mention that some of the the LCSH members have put much work in to this case also, so some credit should go to them also.
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