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81  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is beggining to get "bad" publicity... on: June 03, 2011, 06:04:42 PM
It doesn't have to be, but it is inherently disruptive to the status quo, and libertarians and anarchists are going to use it. If you don't want to be affiliated with us, you will have to not use bitcoin. Sorry.

...No wait, I'm actually not sorry. I look forward to more and more people rejecting the political means.
82  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is beggining to get "bad" publicity... on: June 03, 2011, 05:19:07 PM
Don't only criminals and not bitcoiners in general need to fear non-repressive governments and the democratic law?

No. Because all governments are based on repression (of individual rights in favor of the interests of the political class) and democratic law can easily and at any time outlaw any peaceful activity if it is practiced by a minority.

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Are bitcoiners not on the right side of the law?

Currently, yes. But I'd wear it as a badge of honor if we weren't. Laws against peaceful and mutually beneficial activities deserve to be broken.
83  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin intrusion in your life on: June 03, 2011, 04:58:04 PM
I know what they believe in theory. In practice they tend to be gun toting assholes whose world outlook is "Got mine, fuck you", which they justify with an ethical philosophy they call 'Libertarianism'.

Well, you haven't met many of us, then. The libertarians I know are the most generous and compassionate people I know, which is why they reject the political violence that people like you adore so much. I wouldn't hang out with people who had the attitude you suspect us as having.

Funny - you are applying a wildly inaccurate caricatured view of libertarians, but you certainly have the elitist, holier-than-thou snobbery of progressivism down pat. Unlike you, however, I wouldn't suspect all progressives as having the same attitude. In fact, I don't think you actually believe what you're saying either. It's just too absurd. Thus I name you "troll" and end our conversation.
84  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Public Relations on: June 03, 2011, 04:51:12 PM
I think "grass-roots" is a better word than "democratic".
2nd'd
85  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Public Relations on: June 03, 2011, 04:50:39 PM
I am willing to argue that better welfare will be provided if Bitcoin took over. People naturally love to give and will have more to give if they have more money in their pockets.

Perhaps, but then you'd have to convince them first that the free market can take care of them better than government, which is an even harder sell (bordering impossible).

Bitcoin won't be what does the convincing. In my experience the thing that brings liberals around to accepting the free market is when they reject the violence which is the state's only means of accomplishing anything.
86  Economy / Economics / Re: What happens when Bitcoins are illegalized in the whole world? on: June 03, 2011, 04:03:56 PM
There is HUGE market demand for a currency like bitcoin. This abstract force is beyond any government to stop, without destroying itself in the process.

And gosh, I sure do hope it tries.
87  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is beggining to get "bad" publicity... on: June 03, 2011, 03:56:29 PM

I doubt they have the intelligence to really grasp how bitcoin works.

ok, i've heard this around here before(end of the forbes article for one), the idea that the government, the people strong enough, powerful enough, confident enough to steal well over half the wealth of its citizens with one hand while destroying other countries and keeping them from doing it to us in return, somehow, with all this pirated wealth have been unsuccessful in hiring anyone who knows anything about technology to be on their team. now, i think our quality of life as humans can be greatly improved, but i think it comes from returning to the use of simple logic that we are all capable of. If you don't like something, explain why, don't just mindlessly belittle it and chuckle about your meaningless unthoughtout insults, it really truly does not help.

All government has at its disposal is violence. Violence displaces rational thought. It is not mindless, but it is certainly limited in its ability to utilize the minds of its members. And that is even more true when compared to the market, which is the sum of all voluntary human action - all the creative and analytical thought in the word combined in the most productive of ways.

Observe a spontaneous protest or rally some time. Or read some of the stories of civil disobedience being carried out by Free State Project members. Each and every time, the .gov shows up looking for someone "in charge". They simply cannot comprehend something happening without someone running it from the top down. Now that is not quite the same thing as bitcoin, but it is analogous. Government is predicated on authoritarian violence and the threat thereof. It is saturated with it. All of its "problem solving" consists of taking a hammer to what always looks, to it, like a nail.

Any individual can understand bitcoin, but in the role of a government employee or agent, he would be unable to apply that understanding to the problem. All he can do in that role is think of the best least embarrassing way to use violence to "solve" the problem. It's not that the government is completely impotent to act against bitcoin. It's just that the voluntary, creative, and highly mobile environment of the bitcoin community is exactly the sort of "problem" that governments are least suited to "solve".

All they can do is hurt some people enough to make them stop using it, or scare them with threats. That won't kill bitcoin any more than the War on Drugs has killed cannabis sales in the USA.
88  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I just thought of something: DEFLATION! on: June 03, 2011, 03:39:27 PM
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There is nothing backing the dollar, and there hasn't been anything for 40 years now.  Duration mismatch is a bit of a problem, but not necessarily a big one.  And money really does come out of thin air when a bank lends.  No big deal, that's the system we have, not the end of the world.

Not the end of the world, but certainly the end of any currency that operates on that principle. Which is good for bitcoin, in the long run.
89  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is money laundering... according to some on: June 03, 2011, 03:33:54 PM
According to some, advocating peace and free trade makes a person a "terrorist". Some can go to hell.
90  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: isbitcoin10usdyet.com on: June 03, 2011, 03:29:54 PM
Hello all,

With the value of BTC rising like crazy, for a bit of fun I've made the site http://www.isbitcoin10usdyet.com/ so you can obsessively check if the USD/BTC rate on MtGox has surpassed $10 yet.  Enjoy!

Is Bitcoin $10 USD yet?


I think you wasted about 10 USD for that domain Cheesy
It's only one bitcoin Tongue


Not no mo' it ain't!
91  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Wallet security/redundancy. The FAQ, it does nothing! on: June 02, 2011, 07:45:59 PM
Ok, thanks! That's what I needed to know. We really need a "bitcoin for total n00bs" guide for stuff like this.
92  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it correct to call BitCoin a currency? on: June 02, 2011, 05:58:43 PM
Semantics can be important, though. Consider the ability of the government to define the murder of noncombatants as "collateral damage", or to call whomever they damn well please a "terrorist". Words have meanings for a reason, and words related to political economy can cause damage when their meanings start to slip.
93  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it correct to call BitCoin a currency? on: June 02, 2011, 05:36:11 PM
Not really. Currencies are generally political instruments, historically issued as "warehouse receipts" against specie (precious metal), but recently not connected to specie at all.

But is there a better word for it? As a medium of exchange it is actually a money. But people are scared to death of the word "money", seeing how it is "the root of all evil" (though that saying is a misquotation of a Biblical proverb and has absolutely no logical basis whatsoever).
94  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin intrusion in your life on: June 02, 2011, 05:29:02 PM
I will be giving back to society by donating a large protion of my future profits to President Obama's re-election campaign Wink

The phrase 'giving back to society' is usually for giving them good things.


He is. He is trying to save us from Sarah Palin and the rest of the terrible republican candidates.

By electing another member of the War Party, only this one rides a donkey. Precious.

I don't think this guy has the slightest clue what libertarians actually believe. I find that very few critics of libertarians do. Protip: libertarianism is an ethical philosophy in opposition to initiatory force. Start there and do some logic.
95  Economy / Economics / Re: What happens when Bitcoins are illegalized in the whole world? on: June 02, 2011, 05:27:24 PM
The chief advantage of bitcoin is its resistance to inflation and the lack of centralized control. If governments want to compete with bitcoin on those fronts, they will need to stop being governments.
96  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin intrusion in your life on: June 02, 2011, 05:25:30 PM
I'm all for the end of the warfare state. Don't get why libertarians hate welfare so much.

1. Because it is predicated on force.
2. Because charity isn't even really possible when one is forced to give, and I WANT to be charitable.
3. Because it deprives me of the ability to choose who receives my donations, and who handles the distribution.
4. Because it makes people dependent on the state, which is an instrument of violence.
5. Because it aggrandizes and empowers the violent and avaricious political class and the bureaucracies associated with it.
6. Because it creates government-run monopolies and deprives people of choice in who provides their needed services.

I could go on, but hopefully those reasons suffice.
97  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Wallet security/redundancy. The FAQ, it does nothing! on: June 02, 2011, 05:13:48 PM
Thanks, but in regards to number 3 - what if it can't find the old one? How would I access the bitcoins stored in the old one after that, unless I keep a separately installed bitcoin program with each wallet.
98  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: isbitcoin10usdyet.com on: June 02, 2011, 06:21:43 AM
Damn it, I've refreshed that page like 100 times in the past 5 minutes and it hasn't gone up at all! Guess I have to refresh more often.
99  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the largest purchase you've made in Bitcoins? on: June 02, 2011, 06:20:31 AM
None, yet. But that's only because I'm still figuring out wallet security and such. I've been into bitcoin for only about a month now, and it took me half that time just to figure out how to get any of the suckers. Eventually I decided on bitcoin2cash, which worked fine, but took a while. And I was pretty squeamish about sending money through USPS.

I'm not very technically proficient; I am just persistent. But if bitcoin is to obtain mass appeal people really need to figure out a cleaner and easier way of getting and using them.

Anyway, I'm thinking of buying a bitcoin shirt. If anyone thinks they can impress me with their design, show me.
100  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Wallet security/redundancy. The FAQ, it does nothing! on: June 02, 2011, 05:54:45 AM
The FAQ seems to assume a bit too much technical knowledge on the part of the reader. I haven't been able to find answers to the following two three questions:

1. When backing up one's wallet, is it enough to copy the DAT file and put it in a different location?

2. How does one make a secure address? I read in the FAQ that I should generate it from a new wallet, but I don't know how to create a new wallet without installing and running an entirely new instance of bitcoin from within my encrypted volume/USB drive/partition/whatever.

EDIT: 3. If bitcoin creates a new wallet every time it is restarted, how does one access old addresses? This seems like it ought to have an obvious answer, but as it's been explained to me so far it seems as if restarting bitcoin sort of "disconnects" any previously used address.
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