bitcoin intrusion in your life

[Bimmerhead]

Me? I'm just along for the ride, mining away and taking as much of these Libertarians' money as I possibly can. They've already paid for my 14 new rigs, and are doing a fine job of paying for the remodel of my house. Bitcoins could go to $.25 and be made illegal in every industrialized country of the world and I would still come out way ahead.

Gee, that sounds an awful lot like...

...fuck the other guy I got mine.

[Lupus_Yonderboy]

Actually there is a sweet irony there, but you probably missed that. Besides I will be giving back to society by donating a large protion of my future profits to President Obama's re-election campaign

[Alex Beckenham]

I will be giving back to society by donating a large protion of my future profits to President Obama's re-election campaign

The phrase 'giving back to society' is usually for giving them good things.

[frycicle]

I will be giving back to society by donating a large protion of my future profits to President Obama's re-election campaign

The phrase 'giving back to society' is usually for giving them good things.

He is. He is trying to save us from Sarah Palin and the rest of the terrible republican candidates.

[BitterTea]

Why don't you give your money to a cause that will actually help people, rather than a surveillance state war monger (no better than Bush)?

[Dansker]

Definetely!

I hope my judgement is not being too clouded by it, but I think it's important to be aware when you are so much into something, that it may cloud your judgement.

Also, I think I annoy everyone I know by talking about BTC so much

[Bimmerhead]

Actually there is a sweet irony there, but you probably missed that.

Do you mean the part where you called anti-government types 'hypocrites'?

Do elucidate.

[MacFall]

I'm all for the end of the warfare state. Don't get why libertarians hate welfare so much.

1. Because it is predicated on force.
2. Because charity isn't even really possible when one is forced to give, and I WANT to be charitable.
3. Because it deprives me of the ability to choose who receives my donations, and who handles the distribution.
4. Because it makes people dependent on the state, which is an instrument of violence.
5. Because it aggrandizes and empowers the violent and avaricious political class and the bureaucracies associated with it.
6. Because it creates government-run monopolies and deprives people of choice in who provides their needed services.

I could go on, but hopefully those reasons suffice.

[MacFall]

I will be giving back to society by donating a large protion of my future profits to President Obama's re-election campaign

The phrase 'giving back to society' is usually for giving them good things.

He is. He is trying to save us from Sarah Palin and the rest of the terrible republican candidates.

By electing another member of the War Party, only this one rides a donkey. Precious.

I don't think this guy has the slightest clue what libertarians actually believe. I find that very few critics of libertarians do. Protip: libertarianism is an ethical philosophy in opposition to initiatory force. Start there and do some logic.

[Nesetalis]

aye, obama isn't much better. Admitedly he did meet most of his campaign promises... atleast half way, but he also shoved in some sickening shit over the last few years.

Sadly, we have no alternative yet, every single candidate is as bad as the last.

as for libritarians? i don't care, i'm a liberal socialist and fiscal conservative :p I don't want to go to war, I don't want black projects and waste spending everywhere, and the government should get out of my bedroom. But I want the social programs that feed, clothe, and take care of the millions of people below the poverty line. If possibly I want those systems improved, but almost every candidate just wants to strip mine them to line the rich pockets.

[Insti]

The guys with many thousands of Bitcoins who jump on anyone who suggests another block chain or Bitcoin 2.0, etc...

Can you link to any specific examples of this?
All I recall reading are messages pointing out why differing blockchain philosophies are undesirable but they are still encouraging people to try and create their crazy alternate block chains. No one other than namecoin actually has though.

[Anonymous]

aye, obama isn't much better. Admitedly he did meet most of his campaign promises... atleast half way, but he also shoved in some sickening shit over the last few years.

Sadly, we have no alternative yet, every single candidate is as bad as the last.

as for libritarians? i don't care, i'm a liberal socialist and fiscal conservative :p I don't want to go to war, I don't want black projects and waste spending everywhere, and the government should get out of my bedroom. But I want the social programs that feed, clothe, and take care of the millions of people below the poverty line. If possibly I want those systems improved, but almost every candidate just wants to strip mine them to line the rich pockets.

what promises did he actually deliver on?
http://newsgnome.blogspot.com/2009/03/official-list-of-obamas-broken-promises.html

If he promised to destroy whats left of the US then yes hes delivering.

[Lupus_Yonderboy]

Why don't you give your money to a cause that will actually help people, rather than a surveillance state war monger (no better than Bush)?

Ahh you mean like the Tides Foundation, or the Joyce Foundation, or the Brady Campaign...yes I have been considering donating toward causes that advocate social change. And yes I know that Obama is simply BushLite™, but he is a far better choice than anything the Reich Wing is going to put up. If Obama was 1/10th the liberal he is portrayed to be then America would have single payer health care by now, like the rest of the 1st world.

Actually there is a sweet irony there, but you probably missed that.

Do you mean the part where you called anti-government types 'hypocrites'?

Do elucidate.

The irony is indeed truly wasted...nevermind.

I don't think this guy has the slightest clue what libertarians actually believe. I find that very few critics of libertarians do. Protip: libertarianism is an ethical philosophy in opposition to initiatory force. Start there and do some logic.

I know what they believe in theory. In practice they tend to be gun toting assholes whose world outlook is "Got mine, fuck you", which they justify with an ethical philosophy they call 'Libertarianism'.

The guys with many thousands of Bitcoins who jump on anyone who suggests another block chain or Bitcoin 2.0, etc...

Can you link to any specific examples of this?
All I recall reading are messages pointing out why differing blockchain philosophies are undesirable but they are still encouraging people to try and create their crazy alternate lock chains. No one other than namecoin actually has though.

I cannot, and I concede the point on not being able to take the time to sift through the many posts that happen on this board daily. Perhaps I got those threads mixed up with the ones calling for the early adopters to give up their fortunes, which I absolutely do NOT advocate. If the early adopters can reap great rewards for their work, more power to them.


Bitcoin 1.0 will fail. The only question is when the powers that be will break out the banhammer and how many they get in the intial sweep. I think sites like Dwolla and MtGox will be the first to go.  As I said, exchanges will always be a central point of failure. Having multiple exchanges does little to mitigate things. Even if you had a 100 exchanges in different countries across the globe they could still mount near simultaneous strikes on all of them, and honestly, the Bitcoin economy can only support a few robust exchanges.

In the meantime, I happily sell what I mine and keep the market liquid. When the music stops and this game of musical chairs ends, I intend to have a majority of my holdings in fiat currency. As much you anti-government idealogues want to believe, those in power will never give up that power without bloodshed, and since they own the armies and police forces, they will win, every time. It may not be just, or fair, or right, or whatever, but that is the way it is. I give it a year on the outside before the first arrests happen.

Oh, and if you actually think you can win in court...then you've probably never been through the legal system. For those in the US, imagine your attorney attempting to explain Bitcoin to 12 'average' Americans...ones that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. This will be after the massive PR campaign to demonize Bitcoin.

Anyhow I have spent way too much time and resources on this post. I have been posting here under other monikers for a few months now. I usually do not discuss politics as that may inhibit business transactions, but in this case I could not resist so I created this name. I must admit that I get massive lulz from transferring wealth from Libertarians to liberal causes.

@OP: I sincerely apologize for the thread derailment. It was not my intent and this entire discussion should be in the political forum.

[Bazil]

aye, obama isn't much better. Admitedly he did meet most of his campaign promises... atleast half way, but he also shoved in some sickening shit over the last few years.

Sadly, we have no alternative yet, every single candidate is as bad as the last.

as for libritarians? i don't care, i'm a liberal socialist and fiscal conservative :p I don't want to go to war, I don't want black projects and waste spending everywhere, and the government should get out of my bedroom. But I want the social programs that feed, clothe, and take care of the millions of people below the poverty line. If possibly I want those systems improved, but almost every candidate just wants to strip mine them to line the rich pockets.

what promises did he actually deliver on?
http://newsgnome.blogspot.com/2009/03/official-list-of-obamas-broken-promises.html

If he promised to destroy whats left of the US then yes hes delivering.

He promised higher energy prices.  He delivered on that! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

[Coma]

Bitcoin 1.0 will fail. The only question is when the powers that be will break out the banhammer and how many they get in the intial sweep. I think sites like Dwolla and MtGox will be the first to go.

If those sites were brought down, and there are enough alternatives, prices might go way up because of increasing scarcity.
*might*

Oh, and if you actually think you can win in court...then you've probably never been through the legal system. For those in the US, imagine your attorney attempting to explain Bitcoin to 12 'average' Americans...ones that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. This will be after the massive PR campaign to demonize Bitcoin.

This is a good point. That's why we need to push harder and try defeat ignorance.


I do agree that real power holders won't give it away without a fight. But I also think progress has been made trough human history and inequity can be diminished.

[theymos]

Near the top left of each forum page is a figure for "total time logged in". I'm reluctant to admit that mine says 21 days. Admittedly that's spread over almost a year. Who has the highest figure?

Looks like kiba does, at 80+ days:
https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=stats

I'm second.

[grondilu]

Near the top left of each forum page is a figure for "total time logged in". I'm reluctant to admit that mine says 21 days. Admittedly that's spread over almost a year. Who has the highest figure?

Looks like kiba does, at 80+ days:
https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=stats

I'm second.

I'm third

[unk]

Looks like kiba does, at 80+ days:
https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=stats

i picture kiba as about 18. if that's roughly right, then by that measure he's been logged into this forum for more than 1% of his life!

(as an aside, i sometimes want to test my intuitions about people based on just their posts, because i have the feeling i'm good at it, having studied empirical linguistics and psychology at one point and tied them to other computational research i've done. for example, i'm certain kiba is young, and he's very likely american, with writing patterns that suggest an influence from the american south. he could have immigrated, have immigrant parents, or have experienced some other factor that led to greater strengths in nonlinguistic skills, at least those related to formal english grammar. i don't mean that as an insult, of course! he has some awareness of coding, but not at a systems level like yours or mine; his most proficient language is probably php. i suspect he is ethnically asian. i don't have a good sense of educational background, but i'd guess he completed american high school or is about to do.)

[theymos]

i picture kiba as about 18. if that's roughly right, then by that measure he's been logged into this forum for more than 1% of his life!

I can't believe I've been logged in for almost 1% of my life...

Your guesses about Kiba are pretty accurate from what I've read.

[BitterTea]

Looks like kiba does, at 80+ days:
https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=stats

i picture kiba as about 18. if that's roughly right, then by that measure he's been logged into this forum for more than 1% of his life!

(as an aside, i sometimes want to test my intuitions about people based on just their posts, because i have the feeling i'm good at it, having studied empirical linguistics and psychology at one point and tied them to other computational research i've done. for example, i'm certain kiba is young, and he's very likely american, with writing patterns that suggest an influence from the american south. he could have immigrated, have immigrant parents, or have experienced some other factor that led to greater strengths in nonlinguistic skills, at least those related to formal english grammar. i don't mean that as an insult, of course! he has some awareness of coding, but not at a systems level like yours or mine; his most proficient language is probably php. i suspect he is ethnically asian. i don't have a good sense of educational background, but i'd guess he completed american high school or is about to do.)

I'm pretty sure you're way off on that one. I'm not sure of Kiba's age, but I'm pretty certain he's not from the U.S., and English isn't his first language. Perhaps that is why you get the impression that he is young?

I'm curious what your intuition says about me.