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81  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: March 12, 2014, 04:43:08 PM
EU distance selling regulations allow for a refund 30 days after purchase, that's how I got my money back from Butterfly labs. Just saying.
82  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: March 11, 2014, 08:58:36 PM
sup guys i just bought my first share today,  if i sell  before the  payout do i still get  partial payout. if yes,  do i have to hold on to it for a full day at least.

If you're just investing to get the payout try putting your share on offer for what you paid for it +expected payout. If it doesn't sell you get your pay out, if it sells you get your payout a little sooner Smiley

However 0.0004 btc doesn't seem like a great profit. Why not wait, as soon as a big chunk of hardware comes online the price goes up, sell, wait till there's a drop and buy back in.
83  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: March 10, 2014, 01:48:39 PM
still no new hardware... should be arriving today no?
84  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: March 01, 2014, 08:46:44 AM
So... shouldn't we have had 62 coincraft desks installed by now?
85  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 28, 2014, 09:44:44 PM
Eligius site is down, does that mean the pool is down too or just the site?
86  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 27, 2014, 09:32:41 PM
I don't think you understand exponential growth, I mean it's right there in your description.

"Exponential growth occurs when the growth rate of the value of a mathematical function is proportional to the function's current value"

The 20% that is added each time is not 20% of the original amount, but 20% of the current value.

Sure exponential means 'to the power of' but you can have indices of less than one, or of decimal values. 120% is approximately the same as saying ^1.04
Wow, Just wow.
As I posted, exponents are powers of said #.
From google.
a quantity representing the power to which a given number or expression is to be raised, usually expressed as a raised symbol beside the number or expression (e.g., 3 in 23 = 2 × 2 × 2).

For the network to have grown exponentially from say 2phs  would put it at 4phs, but if you look at the growth history, that didn't happen.
And if it grew exponentially from 10phs it would now be 100phs.

Math is not something that is subjective, defining exponential is not the same as defining the word "is".

This might be easier for you to understand.
http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/exponential-growth.html

Wow, just wow.

Even in the examples on the website you kindly proffered me there was an exponent <1.

What you seem to be saying is that exponential means 'to the power of 2.' The examples you gave being 2^2=4 and 10^2=100
Secondly you are confusing an exponential function or exponent with exponential growth

Lets go allll the way back to the definition you first gave (but somehow still don't understand).

"Exponential growth occurs when the growth rate of the value of a mathematical function is proportional to the function's current value"

Does it say 'Exponential growth occurs when the growth rate of the value of a mathematical function is the square of the function's current value'? NO!

What it says is simply that the growth rate is proportional to the current value.

Lets do an example to help you out.
My beans grow at an amazing exponential rate of 50% in length per day. They start off at 10cm.
After day 1 they have grown 5cm. With me so far?
Now here's where it gets exponential, for day 2: instead of adding another 5cm, we use 150% of the current length which is 15cm now, so they grow 7.5cm (not 5cm) and end up at 22.5cm.

That's what exponential growth is. The fact that you use the current value. The actual growth rate itself doesn't matter, it can be ^2 as you seem to be fond of, it can by ^1/2 or ^-3,000, all that matters is that you use the current value in your calculation rather than the original value.

I'm sorry I was a dick about this, but I was simply mirroring your demeanour.
87  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 27, 2014, 07:38:50 PM
I don't think you understand exponential growth, I mean it's right there in your description.

"Exponential growth occurs when the growth rate of the value of a mathematical function is proportional to the function's current value"

The 20% that is added each time is not 20% of the original amount, but 20% of the current value.

Sure exponential means 'to the power of' but you can have indices of less than one, or of decimal values. 120% is approximately the same as saying ^1.04
88  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 27, 2014, 03:17:58 PM
I stopped reading at
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For the rest of this post, i will assume that the network hashrate will grow at a constant rate of 80% per month.
+1

I would expect a div > or = .0002 this week. I always prefer to take a strong conservative expectation.

I'd say nearer .0005
But conservative estimates avoid disappointment eh? Smiley
89  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 27, 2014, 12:39:24 PM
In other news, hashing is back to around 40TH/s, hopefully the rest will be back online soon too!
90  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 27, 2014, 12:34:51 PM
Same on the ask side - 1500 shares to be bought.

Only around 200 shares people are willing to buy on the Bid side. For something that is currently undervalued one would expect much more support on the Bid side as people try to get cheap shares. I believe if a healthy level of support was present on the Bid side, this would reassure investors and the price would go up.
Wink in bitcoinworld, only thing that would reassure ppl is new hashing hardware beeing put online daily. Ofc, with steady divs.

I think the point being made is that people in this thread believe that is going to happen and yet they are not buying the shares now before the price goes up.

Myself I'm not too bothered about the share price. I'm not looking to sell any time soon, and if for some reason I really needed the btc my shares are more than double what I paid for them. I think the people worrying about the share price are people looking to sell, and that's fine too, just be patient, wait for all the gear to come online and the price will be very tasty for you Smiley
91  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 27, 2014, 12:00:18 PM
anyone noticed hashing as pretty much stopped? guessing they are changing some stuff over

hopefully adding new hardware, worried me too when I saw it haha!
yea i think so - i saw it jump up to 75TH/s yesterday for a few minutes before jumping back down *fingers crossed*

and here comes the panic sell *sigh*

Hmmm. Now that you mention sell, there is a curious lack of depth on the Bid side of PETA on Havelock. Those claiming that shares are undervalued should have huge orders on the Bid side waiting to buy cheap shares. Put your money where your mouth is guys.

I would, but I already put all my money in at IPO, if I get my next student loan before the price jumps peta will be getting most of that too.
92  Economy / Securities / Re: [PETAMINE] Share Price Speculation Thread on: February 27, 2014, 11:16:53 AM
The AM PE ratio is not a good comparison at the moment. At it's peak it was about 30% yield. But now all the people who bought in are just holding out of desperation rather than expecting a decent return.
93  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 27, 2014, 11:10:57 AM
anyone noticed hashing as pretty much stopped? guessing they are changing some stuff over

hopefully adding new hardware, worried me too when I saw it haha!
94  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 26, 2014, 03:38:16 PM
Just a quick announcement that first dividend will be paid this Friday, Feb 28th.

woohoo!
95  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: February 24, 2014, 09:03:56 PM
So what's going on here, I sold all my AM shares a while ago, but is it still a going concern?
96  Economy / Services / Re: [PrimeDice] [Highest Paid Signature] Earn up to 2.4 BTC/Month by Posting on: February 24, 2014, 08:53:46 PM
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97  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 23, 2014, 11:18:47 PM
With this great news... are we to expect dividends sometime soon? Or do we have to wait until the mine is fully deployed. I love this news with the 8.68GH/s but I really want to see the dividends coming in soon.
I'm also curious if we can expect dividends anytime soon?

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Dividends will automatically appear in shareholders’ Bitcoin wallets every Friday around 15:00 GMT.

At: http://www.peta-mine.co/faq/

Yea but that doesn't say which friday divs start
98  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 23, 2014, 03:59:32 PM
...
Also merge mining pls.
and here we go again...  Wink

We are merge mining. Eligius is merge mining nmc.

Why just nmc though? I know other currencies are only a fraction as profitable but it would seem silly not to. Maybe this pool has other benefits I am unaware of.
99  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 23, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
... the announcement doesn't actually mean much.
Some people are impossible to please.

Would you rather no announcement had been made?

No, I'm ecstatic about what it has done for the share price! I suppose I just didn't understand it properly.
100  Economy / Securities / Re: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE 700 TH/s or 8.68 GH/s per share on: February 23, 2014, 02:54:28 PM
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but the announcement doesn't actually mean much
How can you say that, look what it did to share price...
We know that there is deployment schedule. One can not just drop 700th online in a day. Not even KnC, they did it in three days. Wink

The point is that 700th will be added without using reinvestment money, so that can be used to develop and manufacture own custom hardware to speed up, and reduce the cost of further deployment.

Yea but the deployment schedule posted doesn't seem to add up to 700th, maybe I am just not ascribing the correct values to the machines listed.

I didn't understand that about it not coming from reinvestment money, that is going to be hard to confirm though given that we haven't learnt what reinvestment money is going to be spent on and we also don't know where this extra hashing power came from.

All that being said, I still think this is a good investment and am very happy with how things are going so far.






Also merge mining pls.
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