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Author Topic: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit)  (Read 565621 times)
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February 26, 2014, 05:06:29 PM
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Just a quick announcement that first dividend will be paid this Friday, Feb 28th.

GREAT NEWS GUYS!!

it's party time!!



It's started! And I like this party Smiley
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February 26, 2014, 10:34:55 PM
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about 0.0002 btc/share...is that correct?

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February 26, 2014, 10:39:21 PM
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about 0.0002 btc/share...is that correct?

How did you calculate?

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February 26, 2014, 10:45:57 PM
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45 btc / 80.000 shares * 0,35


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February 26, 2014, 11:01:42 PM
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45 btc / 80.000 shares * 0,35


That's the 45+ the new hardware that should be arriving this week + earning Thursday and Friday. And its x / 80674 * .65

Just did some back of napkin math. Before the management fee, looks like .00078 per share.
To get there I took the 47.xx from eligius added 16 for Thursday and Friday and did the requesite math. If they bring on more hardware tomorrow it will go back slightly.

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February 26, 2014, 11:15:34 PM
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To get there I took the 47.xx from eligius added 16 for Thursday and Friday and did the requesite math. If they bring on more hardware tomorrow it will go back slightly.

wouldn't be surprised if cryptx keeping the deployment little more lowkey for day or 2 to slow the whinging at bitmine threads. at least till few more units in normal customer hand
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February 26, 2014, 11:25:55 PM
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To get there I took the 47.xx from eligius added 16 for Thursday and Friday and did the requesite math. If they bring on more hardware tomorrow it will go back slightly.

wouldn't be surprised if cryptx keeping the deployment little more lowkey for day or 2 to slow the whinging at bitmine threads. at least till few more units in normal customer hand
People will bitch about anything. Bitmine opened a second production line solely for cryptx/petamine.
"Normal" customers aren't being delayed their orders because of cryptx
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February 27, 2014, 03:09:07 AM
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Dividend prediction

Total mined coins: ~60 BTC.

Reinvestment cut: 60x0.65 = 39 BTC

Mine costs (just throwing current total hash rate)

26 TerraMiners: ~2100W x 26 = ~54600W

8 Coincraft Desks:

Total maximum power usage in power-save mode of 80 / 160 / 240 / 320 / 400 W.
Total maximum power usage in turbo mode: 375 / 750 / 1125 / 1500 / 1875 W.

Huh

Assuming 750W: ~6000W

Assuming 10 days of hashing with above values.

At $0.45/kWh it should cost something like $6565, currently around 11.42 BTC.

39 - 11.42 = 27.58 BTC

So, first dividend should look something like BTC0,00034187 per share.

Does this sound good? (I'm in bed and really tired right now Smiley)

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February 27, 2014, 04:06:11 AM
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I do not understand this fund at all, it seems that somebody made a mistake in the math somewhere. there is no way this fund can possibly worth 0.11 btc per share.

Let us walk through the math:
The network hashrate is 28,000 TH/s right now
The network hashrate was 17,500 TH/s exactly 1 month ago ( 1.6x network growth per month )
The network hashrate was  8,800 TH/s exactly 2 months ago ( 3.18x network growth, 80% per month )
The network hashrate was    702 TH/s exactly 6 months ago ( 40x network growth, 85% per month )
The network hashrate was 36 TH/s exactly 1 year ago ( 777x network growth, 75% per month )

For the rest of this post, i will assume that the network hashrate will grow at a constant rate of 80% per month. My reference point will be 1 jan, at which point the network hashrate was 9920 TH/s
Source: https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate?timespan=60days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=1&address=
If you don't believe my 80% number, reference this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=387533.0 there are many others. One could argue about 60% or 85%, but for the rest of this post i'm just going to assume 80% growth per month.

The following table show the growth of the network hashrate according to my 80% projection. I have also added an column quoting the data from the google docs document from the first post. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjI5bgsiFJAidFdzOTk1aXl6cS1zNG1nck5OZjRBeXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0)
Since my data points (the first date of the month) do not fully match with the chosen dates in the google docs document, i pick the closest reference point.

Month |Projected Network |
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Network hashrate |
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my projection / document
1    (1 januari)9,920 11,000    0.90
2    (1 februari)17,856 19,000    0.94
3    32,140 26,500    1.21
4    57,853 36,000    1.61
5    104,136 46,500    2.24
6    187,445 57,000    3.29
7    337,401 69,000    4.89
8    607,322 81,000    7.50
9    1,093,180 97,000    11.27
10    1,967,724 109,000    18.05
11    3,541,903 121,000    29.27
12    (1 december)6,375,426 133,000    47.94
In my opinion, the projected hashrate in the google docs document seems like a whole load of shit. I'm sorry, but i can't put this nicer than it is. I went over my math multiple times, but i keep ending up at the same answer. There is no way the total network hashrate at december this year can be 'only' 133.000 TH/s. Even according to the most generous projection of 60% network growth per month, a network hashrate of 133,000 TH/s can be expected mid-june.

For the rest of this post, we will be also assuming that 10 blocks will be mined per hour. Totaling 186,000 bitcoins per month for the entire network (31 days per month, assume zero fees). I will be also assuming that the mined bitcoins per month will be equal to (186000 / network hashrate * PETAMINE hashrate).

I believe that all information up to this point has been based on factual data or some numbers close to factual data. This is where it gets a bit shady.

Lets look at some fictive scenario's. Scenario #1 and #2 are far better than PETA-MINE's own forecasts (their website estimates that 250TH/s will be deployed in week 13-15, which is begin april).
Scenario 1: PETAMINE receives 700TH/s tomorow and will have everything up and running at 1 march. I think that this should happen given the current value of 0.11 BTC.
Scenario 2: PETAMINE receives 700TH/s of hashing power on 1 april
Scenario 3: PETAMINE received 700TH/s of hashing power on 1 may

Given scenario 1, PETAMINE will mine 7563 bitcoins in 2014 (not including those mined before the deployment of 700TH/s). Granting a total of 0.094 BTC per share before hosting costs and everything else.
Given scenario 2, PETAMINE will mine 4192 bitcoins in 2014 (not including those mined before the deployment of 700TH/s). Granting a total of 0.052 BTC per share before hosting costs and everything else.
Given scenario 3, PETAMINE will mine 2319 bitcoins in 2014 (not including those mined before the deployment of 700TH/s). Granting a total of 0.029 BTC per share before hosting costs and everything else.
Remember that these calcuations do not include hosting costs. According to the google docs document, the hosting costs over 2014 equal 1997 BTC in the 'old' forecast, and 3636 BTC in the 'new' forecast. So in scenario #3, PETAMINE will probably not make any profit to generate dividends from. In scenario #2, i wouldn't count on it either.

Whoever is investing in this fund is probably in it for the long haul, because i don't see how it can be worth 0.11 btc per share given their current business plan.

And by the way, if i modify your google docs document so that only the network hashrate forecast is changed, your numbers will enter the negatives in about 6 months from now. You should definitely reconsider your network hashrate forecast.
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February 27, 2014, 04:32:25 AM
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Darkstone2, Google stock is worth $1220 each, do you know how much dividend they pay?

Apple stock is worth $517 each, do you know how much dividend they pay?

Facebook $69, how much in dividends?


Check this: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price-earningsratio.asp


Yeah, and PETA shares are way underpriced!

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February 27, 2014, 05:31:18 AM
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I do not understand this fund at all, it seems that somebody made a mistake in the math somewhere. there is no way this fund can possibly worth 0.11 btc per share.
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I agree. Refer to my previous posts in this thread.

Based on my calculations, I believe we will hit 100,000 TH/s sometime in May. After that I am hoping that the increase will slow down a bit; at some point it mathematically has to or they will need to start building new nuclear power plants just to power Bitcoin hashing.  Grin

I believe that Cryptx's initial share price was reasonable at 0.05. Obviously a share is worth somewhat more now that hashing has begun. However, those paying more than double need to do some serious calculations using the tools I mentioned in my previous posts.

CryptX will be reinvesting 35% of the dividends toward keeping up with difficulty increases. CryptX now has a proven track record of negotiating good deals with chip manufacturers and looking out for shareholders. I believe we are in good hands in those respects as CryptX seems to have the connections to the chips we need.

I guess those that are paying a high premium for shares believe that network difficultly will level off soon. I guess time will tell.
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February 27, 2014, 07:15:23 AM
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I stopped reading at
For the rest of this post, i will assume that the network hashrate will grow at a constant rate of 80% per month.

So, the network hashrate in April will grow for 50'000 TH.
 1'700 TH added per day?

December ends with 11'500'000 TH. How much electricity is needed to run this? With chips at 28nm technology using ~1J/GH?

Bitcoin has to be at $8000 by then, just to cover electricity cost.(at $0.1 per kwh)
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February 27, 2014, 07:33:41 AM
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I stopped reading at
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For the rest of this post, i will assume that the network hashrate will grow at a constant rate of 80% per month.

So, the network hashrate in April will grow for 50'000 TH.
 1'700 TH added per day?

sure, next month 2,400 TH added per day, the next month 4,8000 TH per day, the month after 8,600 TH per day, the month after 17,200 per day, month after 34,400 per day, 64,800 , 128,600. everything can be totally exponential  Smiley
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February 27, 2014, 08:27:24 AM
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I stopped reading at
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For the rest of this post, i will assume that the network hashrate will grow at a constant rate of 80% per month.

So, the network hashrate in April will grow for 50'000 TH.
 1'700 TH added per day?

sure, next month 2,400 TH added per day, the next month 4,8000 TH per day, the month after 8,600 TH per day, the month after 17,200 per day, month after 34,400 per day, 64,800 , 128,600. everything can be totally exponential  Smiley
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December ends with 11'500'000 TH. How much electricity is needed to run this? With chips at 28nm technology using ~1J/GH?

Bitcoin has to be at $8000 by then, just to cover electricity cost.(at $0.1 per kwh)

I don't need mining then, I'll go now and buy 1BTC, and I'm good. For life! (with constant 80% increase, bitcoin HAS to be over $2'000'000 in 2015, even with new chips 0.3J/GH)  Grin
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February 27, 2014, 08:46:16 AM
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I stopped reading at
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For the rest of this post, i will assume that the network hashrate will grow at a constant rate of 80% per month.

So, the network hashrate in April will grow for 50'000 TH.
 1'700 TH added per day?

sure, next month 2,400 TH added per day, the next month 4,8000 TH per day, the month after 8,600 TH per day, the month after 17,200 per day, month after 34,400 per day, 64,800 , 128,600. everything can be totally exponential  Smiley
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December ends with 11'500'000 TH. How much electricity is needed to run this? With chips at 28nm technology using ~1J/GH?

Bitcoin has to be at $8000 by then, just to cover electricity cost.(at $0.1 per kwh)

I don't need mining then, I'll go now and buy 1BTC, and I'm good. For life! (with constant 80% increase, bitcoin HAS to be over $2'000'000 in 2015, even with new chips 0.3J/GH)  Grin
but wouldn't the whole mining industry collapse? it only will be profitable in countries with low electricity cost.

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February 27, 2014, 08:57:42 AM
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I used $0.1/kwh.  Can go lower, $0.05/kwh. Bitcoin only at $1'000'000 to support that. I'll still be good with my 1btc  Grin (well, maybe better I buy 2 now Grin

And power used - 4'000 GW. What capacity are nuclear plants? 1GW? Ah, just 4'000 nuclear power plants for bitcoin network. No problem. Grin

Oh, no, what wikianswers says - there are only 439 nuclear reactors in the world?
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February 27, 2014, 10:11:51 AM
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I think we can all agree that hash rate will eventually level off at a certain point, based on the most efficient mining chip available at the time and what is considered to be an adequate return. Based on the charts in the links below, I think it would be foolish to think it will level off within the next 3 months as many new chips are being delivered to many customers.

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/

https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate

It makes sense that eventually the increase has to return to a linear function as only so many mining chips can be produced in a week. I think we will hit 100,000 TH/sec sometime in May before the leveling off will occur.

We do have actual data that we can now use to predict the amount we should earn. Consider the following stats taken from the PETA page on Eligius:

Estimated Earnings:

Your approximate maximum potential earnings at the current network difficulty of 3,129,573,174.52 and maintaining your 3-hour average hash rate of 52.14 Th/s is 8.37829676 BTC per day.

To make things simple, currently the pool tells us PETA will mine 8 BTC per day at 50 TH/sec. This means at todays difficulty a 700 TH/sec mine would churn out 112 BTC a day or 1344 BTC every 12 days for that difficulty period. Based on the B.MINE shares, difficulty has been increasing 20% every difficulty period. This means that mining payout would be 0.83333 (reciprocal of 1.2) of what it was the prior 12 day period. This Friday's amount will only be around 64 BTC. This Friday is coincidentally when the next difficulty increase will occur.

Feb 28     64 BTC (1344 if we had been at full power (700 TH/sec) for the whole 12 day difficulty period)
Mar 12  1120 BTC
Mar 24    933 BTC
Apr 05    778 BTC
Apr 17    648 BTC
Apr 29    540 BTC
May 11   450 BTC
May 23   375 BTC
Jun  04   312 BTC

All the above numbers assume a 20% difficulty increase each period (12 days), and also each difficulty change will occur 12 days apart. Keep in mind that we will not be at full power till the end of May. The above numbers from Feb 28 till Jun 04 sum to 5220 BTC. Since we are not at full power till the end of May, I would say we will mine half of that which is 2610 BTC. Also accounting for reinvestment we would end up with 2610 * 0.65 = 1696.5 BTC for dividends. 1696.5 / 100,000 shares = 0.016965 BTC per share. If you bought a share at 0.05 you will have paid for roughly 1/3 of it by the beginning of June.

Since mine is fully deployed at the beginning of June, let's assume that the 35% reinvestment completely offsets any further increases in hash power (difficulty). This means PETA should be able to keep mining 312 BTC every 12 days (182 BTC a week) till the next block reward halving. This means that 118.3 BTC (182 * 0.65) should be available for dividends each week from June 4 afterwards; this is 0.001183 BTC per share. Based on an initial value of 0.05 this amounts to a dividend of 100% per year. I know CryptX also has hosting fees which I have not accounted for, so they will affect the above numbers.

Incidentally in Alberta, Canada I pay $0.08 per Kilowatt hour, so maybe consider moving the mine here. The whole province sits on top of coal deposits, so we can keep our coal power plants running cheaply for centuries to come.  Shocked
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February 27, 2014, 10:29:46 AM
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I'll just leave this here to add to the discussion:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5025976#msg5025976


Much discussion around these numbers in the thread, I won't comment myself

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February 27, 2014, 10:38:30 AM
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And continue this at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=486598.0
leaving this thread free of speculation.
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February 27, 2014, 11:09:06 AM
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anyone noticed hashing as pretty much stopped? guessing they are changing some stuff over
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