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81  Local / Gokken/lotterijen / Ben ik een idioot of zijn 99% van de mensen in gambling discussion idioot? on: November 13, 2019, 12:05:44 PM
Ik will eventjes in de Nederlandstalige sectie posten wat ik in in de Engelstalige gambling discussion sectie heb gepost. Want blijkbaar zitten daar meer idioten die zelf een simpele berekening niet begrijpen.


Ik heb daar een topic gemaakt dat ik een manier heb om 100% winsten te boeken met sport weddenschappen. De winsten zijn niet groot (kunnen groot zijn als je jackpot raakt) maar de mogelijkheid is er. Je kan misschien zeggen er bestaat geen 100% gegarandeerde winning methode in sport wedden of in eender welke gambling. Verwacht in dit topic geen fixed games of eender welke strategie sprookje. er is al genoeg bullshit op het forum. Maar je zal merken dat mijn 100% risk free methode volledig onderbouwd is met argumenten.

 Mij zal je nooit zien beweren dat ieder ticket 100% winstgevend zal zijn, maar ik wil de focus meer leggen op je initiele inleg en de manier waarop je je initiele inleg kan behouden.


Maar volg a.u.b even de volledige logica en geef dan je mening.


Wedden op eender welk sportsbook platform.

Dit is heel simpel stel je zet 10€ in op een wedstrijd met een 2.0 quote. Heel simpel win je dan heb je 20€, verlies je dan ben je je inzet kwijt en maak je verlies.

Colossusbets.com

Het platform dat ik wil bespreken voor deze 'risk free' methode is https://www.colossusbets.com Colossusbets is de grootste aanbieder van sport jackpots en werkt een beetje naar het model van een loterij. Colossusbets is een zeer gereputeerd bedrijf met UK license en officieel partner van ondermeer Betfair.com
Elke dag/week bieden zij verschillende pools aan waar je zelf een syndicate ticket kan creëren, solo kan spelen of als investeerder in een syndicate kan deelnemen. Al dezer pools hebben een gegarandeerde prijzenpot. En deze pot wordt verdeeld naargelang het aantal winnaars in de pool. Dus hetzelfde als een loterij. Ben je de enige met de winnende combinatie dan win je de gehele pot, zijn er meerdere winnaars dan moet je de pot delen onder alle winnaars.

Zoals ik zei bied colossusbets 2 formats aan.

· Je kan solo spelen. Dit betekent dat je zelf een ticket creëert en dit ticket volledig zelf fund.
· Poolbetting. Dit is eigenlijk gewoon gezamenlijk wedden. Dus je creëert een ticket en je betaald zelf een deel van het ticket en geeft
  anderen de mogelijkheid om het ticket mee te funden. Als het ticket dan een prijs wint dan wordt de gewonnen prijs verdeelt naargelang de
  grootte van je share in dat ticket.


Tot dusver denk ik dat alles duidelijk is.

Mijn 'risk free' betting methode op colossusbets.com

Ten eerste wil ik meedelen dat al het geld je in solo tickets steekt of investeert in tickets van van andere captains niet meetelt voor deze risk free methode. Enkel de pool tickets die je zelf als captain creëert tellen mee!!!!! Dus al het geld dat je in solo tickets steekt of investeert in andere captains is volledig at risk!!!


Zo hier gaan we.

Colossubets biedt een referral programma aan waarbij je een free play krijgt en tot 10$ per persoon die je aanbrengt, maar daar hou ik me niet mee bezig en heeft niets met deze methode te maken.

Alles heeft te maken met hun rebate reward systeem.

Hoe werkt dit systeem?
Heel simple naargelang het totale volume van je gecreëerde pool tickets op weekbasis ontvang je een rebate van 5 - 7.5 of 10% op het totale volume. Het wekelijks volume wordt berekent op al je gecreëerde pool tickets die 100% worden gefund. Als een pool ticket niet wordt gefund dan wordt dat ticket gevoid en krijgen de investeerders en jij je stake terug. Dus enkel de volledig gefunde tickets op weekbasis dragen bij tot je totaal volume.
Kijk de voorwaarden in volgend screenshot

Vanaf je eerste gefunde ticket krijg je 5% rebate of je totaal volume. Boven de 100€ 7.5% en boven de 750€ krijg je 10% rebate op je totaalvolume.




En deze rebate is de kracht achter mijn 'risk free' betting methode.

Volg de stappen die ik uitleg en je zal merken dat er een risk free methode is.

Om te kunnen genieten van deze rebate moet je enkel en alleen een pool bet creëren... Thats it. Dus vanaf dat je er 1 creëert ben je gekwalificeerd voor de 5% rebate. Dus verder zijn er geen voorwaarden of addertjes.

Wanneer je een pool ticket creëert als captain ben je verplicht om minimum 10% van de totale waarde van je ticket zelf te funded. Kijk naar volgend voorbeeld. Voorbeeld laat een 2€ ticket zien en de minimum contributie die ik zou moeten doen is 0.2€. dit is 1 van de keys van mijn risk free betting methods.






Voorbeelden:

5% rebate

-> Je vult een pool ticket in van een waarde van 50€ en je doet de verplichte bijdrage van 5€ (10%) van totale waarde.
-> Je ticket wordt volledig gefund door investeerders en je hebt dus kans om een prijs te winnen.
-> je bent gekwalificeerd voor de 5% rebate (total value <100€) en je krijgt week erna 2.5€ terug

Resultaat: Je bezit 10% van het ticket en maakt kans op 10% van de mogelijke winsten + je krijgt sowieso de week erna 2.5€ terug als rebate. Dus wat er ook gebeurt met het ticket, je krijgt 50% van je eigen inleg terug op voorwaarde dat je natuurlijk niet meer dan 10% van je ticket hebt gefund.

7.5% rebate

-> je vult bijvoorbeeld 2 pool tickets in van elk 100€ voor totaal van 200€ en je doet de verplichte 10% (20€) bijdrage.
-> je tickets worden volledig gefund en je bezit dus 10% van een totale waarde van 200€ aan tickets
-> Je totale syndicate value is +100€ dus je bent gekwalificeerd voor de 7.5% rebate. Dit wil zeggen dat je de week erna 15€ (7.5% van totale value) terugkrijgt als rebate.

Resultaat: Je maakt kans om een prijs te winnen met de 10% share die je hebt in je tickets + je krijgt sowieso 15€ terug als rebate reward de week erna. Dus wat er ook gebeurt en zelfs als tickets niets winnen krijg je de week erna 75% van je eigen inleg terug. Weer als voorwaarde dat je niet meer dan 10% in je eigen tickets hebt geïnvesteerd.

10% rebate

Deze is de key voor mijn risk free betting methode. Om 10% rebate te krijgen moet je 750€+ aan gevulde pool tickets hebben.

-> Stel je vult 10x een 100€ pool ticket samen voor een totaal van 1.000€ En je betaald 10x de minimum captain bijdrage van 10€ wat een totaal van 100€ maakt
-> Je tickets worden allemaal gefund door andere spelers. dus je bezit 10% van 1000€ aan betting tickets
-> 1000€ is >750€ dus je bent gekwalificeerd voor de 10% rebate. Dit wil zeggen dat je de volgende week 100€ (10% rebate van 1000€ totale waarde) terug krijgt

Resultaat: Je bezit 10% van 1000€ aan betting tickets volledig risicoloos!!!!! Waarom risicoloos? Heel simpel. De 10% rebate die je krijg is exact het bedrag dat je zelf hebt geïnvesteerd in je tickets. Dus wat er ook gebeurt je ontvangt 100€ terug als rebate en dat maakt dat je eigenlijk je tickets 'free rolled'. Dit maakt ook dat alle winsten die de tickets maken 100% winsten zijn want je eigen stake is niet at risk.



Ik had graag een bewijs gepost van mijn 100% risk free. Maar ik ben nog maar een week bezig als captain. dus ik moet nog naam maken. Maar vorige week had ik voor 400€ aan pool tickets verkocht wat mij een kwalificatie opleverde voor de 7.5% rebate. Dit kan je zien in volgend screenshot.
Ticket heeft totale waarde van ticket 72€, minimum verplichte bijdrage 7.2€ maar ik krijg zowiezo 5.4€ terug de volgende weel als rebate.






Dus als je even logisch nadenkt en je choco in je hoofd laat werken dan zie je dat er een mogelijkheid bestaat om 100% risicoloos te wedden bij colossusbets.
Voorwaarden zijn:

· Creeer enkel zelf pool tickets en doe enkel de minimum bijdrage van 10%
· Bouw een reputatie zodat elke week 750€+ aan persoonlijke pool tickets gefund geraken

-> Als je voldoet aan deze 2 voorwaarden dan speel je letterlijk elke week volledig gratis je eigen tickets.


Maar zelfs wanneer je niet aan de 750€ geraakt is dit een zeer mooie opportuniteit. Vanaf de eerste pool die je creëert krijg je 5% rebate. Dit betekend dat je sowieso minstens 50% van je eigen inleg terugkrijgt de week erna (op voorwaarde dat je maar 10% van eigen ticket fund




Ik weet dat dit een crypto forum is. Colossusbets bied spijtig genoeg geen crypto deposits aan en vergen een kyc verificatie. Maar ik wou deze mogelijkheid toch eens naar voren brengen. Ik weet dat er hier genoeg mensen zijn die ook op gewone fiat bookmaker bets plaatsen en dit misschien wel interessant vinden.

Ik wil natuurlijk niemand in iets forceren, maar als je eens een kijkje wil nemen op de site en wil registreren vul dan gewoon RAFHODLER in de RAF code bij registratie. Bij gebruik van deze code krijgen jij en ik een freeplay token.




In de engelstalige sectie heb ik ook de mogelijkheid geboden om een groep te vormen. Er zijn altijd mensen die geen kyc willen doen of met fiat willen gokken. Dus daarvoor had ik de mogelijkheid geboden om tot een groep toe te treden waar je crypto kan gebruiken en er als groep bets op colossus worden geplaatst.

Want dat is mijn ultieme doel. Om een groep samen te stellen waarmee je op wekelijkse basis de mogelijke wedstrijden kan bespreken en analyseren en zo de beste pool tickets kan samenstellen.




Ik heb in het verleden al een paar syndicates gerunned maar op colossus ben ik nog maar een goed weekje bezig, maar had toch graag al een paar resultaten laten zien. Geen giga winsten maar toch een paar mooie resultaten.

6€ inleg - 47€ return



25€ inleg - 165€ return



115€ inleg - 315€ return



En de volgende daar was ik ziek van. Dit was een 72€ ticket maar werd gecanceld omdat niet volledig gefund was. Dit ticket had 3.500€ winst opgebracht als uitverkocht was geweest.




Dus zoals je ziet zijn er wel wat mogelijkheden om mooie returns te maken en met wat geluk als je een goede reputatie opbouwd, krijg je een goed aantal volgers en geraken je tickets zo uitverkocht. Ik ben alvast aan men reputatie aan het werken.

Na 1 week 20e op de captain leaderboard met sen 54% ROI op men tickets.






Dus wil je net zoals ik een kans wagen, gewoon registreren. Vergeet niet RAFHODLER te gebruiken voor een freeplay token of als je zin hebt om deel te nemen aan onze groep, dan zend je gewoon een PM naar mij of reageer je in dit topic.


82  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 13, 2019, 08:57:57 AM
Just to understand, there is no method for 100% guaranteed gain, people would not work or do any of the things they don't have to, everyone gambled and made a living from it.
This is probably from scam methods, an attempt to make money out of your wallet with stories of how easy it is to make money. Don't ever fall for things like this, the money will come if you are  hardworking, and if you are new, read this topic, just about that:   

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200134.msg53033134#msg53033134


Mate you dont even understand what betting pool means. You have zero clue about sportsbetting. Trust me i know what a scam is. and i wil call it out easily. At this point I would say your motivational speech about bitcoin is worthless. Although i do like motivational quotes. But what this has to do with bitcoin lol? You either buy it or no. How you can work hard for bitcoin and what exactly you will achive? You cant make bitcoin to be more valuable or something. It is not up to you. While you wait bitoin to skyrocket. Make money in sportsbetting. Simple as that.

Edit: Sorry @TheRealWiseInvestor. I thought it was related on me when you said 'you have zero clue about sports betting and don't understand pool betting.





Just to understand, there is no method for 100% guaranteed gain, people would not work or do any of the things they don't have to, everyone gambled and made a living from it.
This is probably from scam methods, an attempt to make money out of your wallet with stories of how easy it is to make money. Don't ever fall for things like this, the money will come if you are  hardworking, and if you are new, read this topic, just about that:   

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200134.msg53033134#msg53033134

Bro you must read my entire topic.

I never claimed I have a method that wins 100%

The only thing I said that by using the colossusbets.com captain rebate promotion and if you play smart you can receive back the exact amount as you put in initially. But apparently people are to stubbern to verify the information I gave.

It is very simple If you can get 750€+ of total syndicate value filled in 7 days then you receive a 10% rebate over the total amount. If you do not add more than 10% yourself in your own created pools than the rebate you receive is equal to the amount you put in. Its really not that difficult to calculate or so.

I also never said it is easy to make money. I only told that there is through colossusbets a way you can bet without loosing your initial stake





check out the picture. But note in my first week I did not sold 750+ in syndicates so I only qualified for the 7.5% rebate this week.


Total syndicate tickets value :                            56.33€
Total I invested myself in this tickets:                  5.63€
Rebate I will get returned next week:                  4.22€

Conclusion: I receive back 75% of what I invested myself and if I would have reached the 750€+ total syndicate value than I would have received back 100% of my personal invested amount in my pools.

It really is not that difficult.

83  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 12, 2019, 05:28:18 PM
A 100% risk-free? Does such thing exist in gambling? Because as far as I know, when you bet or gamble, it's a risk already.  That's why it's called 'bet', you might lose or win. And when you bet, you're already risking your money. I'm just being skeptical here but I didn't say nor intended to say that it's a bad site. I'm just saying my opinion though. When it comes to gambling, I don't believe nor expect there's a "100%" thing just like 100% guaranteed no losing.

There’s risk in everything we do so if he is saying 100% risk-free that’s just not right because nothing is risk free when it comes to betting. Once you do bet it’s also a gamble and when you gamble there’s risk of either win or lose the battle and no matter how well you think in analyzing things, it is not a guarantee that you’ll win always.
No matter what game a gambler is playing, the element of risk is always involved because the element of luck is always there. Even in sports betting, it is impossible to avoid this factor. I agree, most of the times results are based up on the skills but then there are also times when weak opponents defeat the strong ones. Same goes for poker. Skills help but receiving good cards is a matter of luck.

don't think most people read the logic behind my topic.

You will never here me say I will hit 100% succesrate in my tickets. thats impossible. The only thing I say is that I bet 100% risk free because I receive as much back in rebate reward than what I put in my own pool bets

I agree there is no 100% guaranteed winning in any gambling game. but what I do want to explain is that in colossubets you can bet risk free cause as a captain you can receive back 10% rebate on your total created syndicate tickets. And if you put no more than 10% in your own tickets than you will receive back as much as you put in. Its not that difficult math.

I create 1000€ in total syndicates pool value

I add 100€ in total to the syndicates (10% which is minimum captain contribution)

Because my total is above 750€ I receive back 10% rebate on the total value the next week which is 10% of 1000€

Result => I invested 100€ in my own syndicates and next week I receive back 100€ (10% rebate of 1000€)

So if I can calculate good I receive back as much as I invested. So 0€ of my balance is exposed of loosing and every winning ticket will bring tickets. But if a ticket is wrong I do not loose cause I have my rebate returned to me the week after
84  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 12, 2019, 11:36:34 AM
A 100% risk-free? Does such thing exist in gambling? Because as far as I know, when you bet or gamble, it's a risk already.  That's why it's called 'bet', you might lose or win. And when you bet, you're already risking your money. I'm just being skeptical here but I didn't say nor intended to say that it's a bad site. I'm just saying my opinion though. When it comes to gambling, I don't believe nor expect there's a "100%" thing just like 100% guaranteed no losing.

There’s risk in everything we do so if he is saying 100% risk-free that’s just not right because nothing is risk free when it comes to betting. Once you do bet it’s also a gamble and when you gamble there’s risk of either win or lose the battle and no matter how well you think in analyzing things, it is not a guarantee that you’ll win always.

I never said it is a 100% winning way of betting cause you still gamble. I only said it is 100% risk free. And this only because of the rebate feature this platform offers. I receive 10% rebate on the total value of my created syndicates. And that 10% is actually the exact amount I put in myself self. So its a 'zero' operation. I put lets say 75€ in my own syndicates and I receive a 75€ rebate next week. So actually I am betting for free because I receive the weekly rebate reward.

so this is what I mean with risk free. If the platform pays you back the amount you put in as a captain than you are betting for free and you do not have risks to loose money cause you received back your stake as rebate reward.

i guess just invite your family, friends and colleagues or whoever is close to you.
i dont think you can get potential bettors from this forum, they already have had enough bs that they dont want another one!
and since you are boasting as 100% risk free, why not share it to your family, you might get rich fast as to how you presented this method.

Its not a fast get rich opportunity. The only advantage is that the weekly rebate for successful captains is a nice opportunity to get some or most of your initial stake back of your bets.
I am not begging here for people. I just introduce them an opportunity to bet on sports and receive their entire or partial return of their stakes even when bets are loosing.

I said multiple times this is not a quick rich thing. To make big money you still need to have winning tickets and hit a jackpot. The only advantage is that on colossusbets you can receive back your entire stake you invested as a captain with the weekly rebate.



A 100% risk-free? Does such thing exist in gambling? Because as far as I know, when you bet or gamble, it's a risk already.  That's why it's called 'bet', you might lose or win. And when you bet, you're already risking your money. I'm just being skeptical here but I didn't say nor intended to say that it's a bad site. I'm just saying my opinion though. When it comes to gambling, I don't believe nor expect there's a "100%" thing just like 100% guaranteed no losing.

There’s risk in everything we do so if he is saying 100% risk-free that’s just not right because nothing is risk free when it comes to betting. Once you do bet it’s also a gamble and when you gamble there’s risk of either win or lose the battle and no matter how well you think in analyzing things, it is not a guarantee that you’ll win always.

I never said it is a 100% winning way of betting cause you still gamble. I only said it is 100% risk free. And this only because of the rebate feature this platform offers. I receive 10% rebate on the total value of my created syndicates. And that 10% is actually the exact amount I put in myself self. So its a 'zero' operation. I put lets say 75€ in my own syndicates and I receive a 75€ rebate next week. So actually I am betting for free because I receive the weekly rebate reward.

so this is what I mean with risk free. If the platform pays you back the amount you put in as a captain than you are betting for free and you do not have risks to loose money cause you received back your stake as rebate reward.

i guess just invite your family, friends and colleagues or whoever is close to you.
i dont think you can get potential bettors from this forum, they already have had enough bs that they dont want another one!
and since you are boasting as 100% risk free, why not share it to your family, you might get rich fast as to how you presented this method.



There are ton of people and bettors on this forum who would like to make extra few bucks. Because you dont like betting, dosent mean rest of the people dosent like betting. Yes i agree, ive seen it all 95% of "sportstipsters" trying to scam, all these experimentals with 1.02 odds and shit. There is an upstet 1out of 10 times. Everybody is just gambling here and throwing their money away which is sad. There are people like me who know shit load about this business.



I agree with you.

the only thing is this is not a tipping service. I lost much money myself on so called professional tipsters in the past. The only thing I do now is playing this colossusbets jackpot pools.
Couple weeks ago I had a choice to make. I could just keep  betting on sports on a regular platform and risk of loosing money. Cause thats the cause. on a regular platform if your bet is wrong you loose your stake, as simple as that.
But then I got introduced to colossusbets and found out about their rebate system which makes it possible to get your stake back if you meet the requirements. so thats why I decided to switch my funds to colossusbets. Cause by receiving back the rebate of 10% max i could manage my bankroll much better.
And by playing smart it is possible to bet for free. The only thing you need to do is to sell 750€ of total syndicate tickets and only invest 10% in those tickets yourself. In this way you receive the exact amount back as 10% rebate as the amount you put in your own tickets.



Dont want to lure in people. But feel free to follow my progress as a captain in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200308.0
And if there are people interested to join they can always contact me. As I said I dont want to actively attract people. If people are interested they can join my team. But they need to ask themselves.

I had a couple profitable syndicates tickets and I managed to climb to 20th place in the captains leaderboard only in 1 week.
85  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Syndicate pool betting results. on: November 12, 2019, 11:32:37 AM
Only after the first week as a colossusbets captain me and the team managed to climb to 20th place on the colossusbets captains leaderboard

86  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Syndicate pool betting results. on: November 12, 2019, 11:30:45 AM
A tiny pool bet win again. almost 8x our money

6€ played
46€ returned
40€ profits

87  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 11, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
A 100% risk-free? Does such thing exist in gambling? Because as far as I know, when you bet or gamble, it's a risk already.  That's why it's called 'bet', you might lose or win. And when you bet, you're already risking your money. I'm just being skeptical here but I didn't say nor intended to say that it's a bad site. I'm just saying my opinion though. When it comes to gambling, I don't believe nor expect there's a "100%" thing just like 100% guaranteed no losing.

There’s risk in everything we do so if he is saying 100% risk-free that’s just not right because nothing is risk free when it comes to betting. Once you do bet it’s also a gamble and when you gamble there’s risk of either win or lose the battle and no matter how well you think in analyzing things, it is not a guarantee that you’ll win always.

I never said it is a 100% winning way of betting cause you still gamble. I only said it is 100% risk free. And this only because of the rebate feature this platform offers. I receive 10% rebate on the total value of my created syndicates. And that 10% is actually the exact amount I put in myself self. So its a 'zero' operation. I put lets say 75€ in my own syndicates and I receive a 75€ rebate next week. So actually I am betting for free because I receive the weekly rebate reward.

so this is what I mean with risk free. If the platform pays you back the amount you put in as a captain than you are betting for free and you do not have risks to loose money cause you received back your stake as rebate reward.
88  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 11, 2019, 01:33:49 PM
And it isnt really an affiliate sheme. this rebate opportunity is available for everyone. Even a person that signs up today and creates a syndicate pool qualifies for a 5% rebate. In this way they stimulate that there is enough traffic on their platform. Everyone can become a captain. From the moment you start creating syndicate pools you are a captain. And depending on your results you will receive followers on the platform that are willing to invest in your syndicate tickets

Its just the same like any other gambling site actually. if you refer people and they play than you also receive a ref commission on their wagered amount. If you only gamble with your referral commission that you received on your referrals wagers than you also are gambling risk free. So I do not understand why all the hassle about it. It just is exactly the same.

Ok, so it's a referral program, not an affiliate program, I used the incorrect lingo. The point still stands. You need to find suckers to fill your pools. And if you have enough suckers you don't need anyone to share your profits with, it doesn't make any sense. You could make a few "free" bets and make as much "free" money as you want.

There is something you're not telling us.

I do not need to lure people in. There are thousands of people on colossusbets and on their partners websites. And those people are not suckers. those are people that want to gamble on sports but do not have the time or skills to analyse games and create their own tickets.

The reason I want to do this as a group is to spread our chances much more. Like I said I rather own 1% of 10,000€ in total bets than 10% in 1,000€ in bets if I play on my own.

Nope that's it.
it is exactly the same as any gambling site. sites like for example stake pays you a commission on the wagers of your referrals. Colossusbets actually does the same. It pays up to a maximum of 10% on wagers. the only difference is it dont need to be your personal referrals to fill your syndicates.

Colossus has a referral system which gives you a freeplay bet and up to a maximum of 10$ for referred members.
But the rebate promotion has nothing to do with referrals. It is just an incentive for good captains that provide good picks. Cause it is what it is. If you only offer tickets that loose you will loose followers and your tickets will not get filled that easy.
So for a good captain its a nice reward. Cause to be honest I do not place my picks blind fully. Me and my friends analyse upcoming games for many hours weekly. so we consider it as a nice reward for the work and effort we put in




This is actually the purpose why I want to create a group.


Lets say I play alone. I spend 100€ to create pools and take 10% captain share. So with my 100€ I can compose a total value of 1,000€ in tickets.
Result I receive back my share through rebate. And I receive 10% of the tickets so I also will receive 10% of the winnings of those tickets.


But if we play as a group it isnt meant to fill tickets.
Lets say we are a group of 10 people and we each contribute 100€ in our group. Then our group balance would be 1,000€.
So now as a group we can create 10 times more tickets cause we have 1,000€ to spend in the captain contribution. So we can create 10,000€
in tickets.

Result. The group receives back the 1,000€ through rebate and THE GROUP earns 10% of the winnings on all the tickets.

After that the winnings we made as group are shared according to how much each of our group members contributed to our group bankroll.



The concept if my idea is just the same like a group of friends or colleagues at work play as a group on the lottery.
If you play alone you have 1/xxx million to hit the jackpot. But if they play with 25 people they have statistically 25 times more chance to win, with the only disadvantage when hitting the jackpot it must be shared with everyone.


I personally just think that is the power of playing as a group. Yes indeed winnings must be shared. But when do you have the most chance to hit the jackpot
 -> playing alone with a single 2€ line
 -> or play as a team on thousands of lines + receiving back the initial stake as rebate.


It is just very simple.

If you are able to get 750€+ pools filled every single week and never contribute more than 10% in your own pools than the starting balance of  group can only grow because we will always receive back our share as rebate the next week + we receive 10% of all our ticket winnings.

It is not a quick rich theme but I consider this more or less as a saving account that grows slightly every single week
89  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 11, 2019, 01:13:39 PM
And by the way I am not begging for money here. I am just offering this to this community. This platform does not accept crypto so that why I suggested to compose a fun betting group and put together resources and bet risk free as a group.
I have enough money to do this on my own but why playing alone if you can increase chances by playing together
Firstly, you did not bother answering my question which is odd since I was considering joining your group, but I wanted to know what the minimum investment is.

It's risk free for you but not risk free for the other members of the syndicate, who need to supply 90% of the stake. It's not really that different for other affiliate schemes - bring some suckers in, we'll kick some money back to you.
This is a fair point actually. How exactly will this method be risk free for everyone else op since the 10% rebate which you mentioned several times already is exclusive to the captain only? Care to clarify?

everyone is free to create his own syndicates as well. I consider my betting balance as 2 parts. I use it partially to create my own syndicate pools which give me returns in form of rebate. but I invest in other captains syndicate pools as well which is also gambling for me cause my money is at stake as well.

And it isnt really an affiliate sheme. this rebate opportunity is available for everyone. Even a person that signs up today and creates a syndicate pool qualifies for a 5% rebate. In this way they stimulate that there is enough traffic on their platform. Everyone can become a captain. From the moment you start creating syndicate pools you are a captain. And depending on your results you will receive followers on the platform that are willing to invest in your syndicate tickets

but I definatelly not registered there to gamble entirely risk free. I create syndicate pools which guarantee me rebate and risk free betting but I play solo tickets myself and I also invest in other pools than my own.

Its just the same like any other gambling site actually. if you refer people and they play than you also receive a ref commission on their wagered amount. If you only gamble with your referral commission that you received on your referrals wagers than you also are gambling risk free. So I do not understand why all the hassle about it. It just is exactly the same.


And do not get me wrong. I am not here to find affiliates or people that want to invest in my tickets. There are thousands of players on their platform and they get filled anyway. The reason I am here is to compose a group and to benefit from the 10% rebate as a group.

Just a simple example.

I have 100€ on colossus to spend to create tickets. So with 100€ and the min 10% captain contribution I can create a total amount of 1.000€ in syndicate tickets.
But lets say we have a group of 10 people that each put in 100€ in our shared pool than we have 1,000€ and than we can create 10,000€ in syndicate pool tickets.

And for our group it would be risk free.

If all tickets get filled we receive the 10% rebate that returns our 1,000€ and if tickets do not get filled the tickets get voided and we receive the money of the voided tickets back as well.

It only has 1 negative side on creating a group. Lets say if we have a group of 10 that put money together to fund the 10% min contribution than every group member would own 1% of the entire ticket instead of me 10% if I play alone. But I rather have 1% in a total of 10,000€ in tickets than 10% in 1,000€ of tickets. Cause chance of winning will increase cause we would be able to fitl in 10x more lines than when I would play alone.




Very interesting op. Decided to do some research on Colossus bets(Never heard of it till now) and observed that they have been around for sometime with decent reviews overall. They basically encourage accumulator style mutual bets with slightly better chances.

Can understand why some posters including me are skeptical about your 'Guaranteed' winning system though I am interested in this syndicate system of yours, but I would like to know what the minimum investment is in your group(In crypto obviously)? Also, I focus primarily on Soccer and Cricket bets.

Sorry I missed that reply and did not answered your question. I do not run a huge group. At this moment we are a small group of friends. When we found out about colossusbets we each added 75€ to the platform to try it out. So we only started with a 375€ balance. If everything goes well we gonna add much more to it. but the most important is that we set some results so we build a community of followers on colossusbets.

So we accept everyone in our group and everyone is free to choose how much he wants to contribute to the group bankroll.

As soon as a new member joins there is full transparency. All members receive links of all the composed tickets, all members can decide together with us which games to pick and assist us with their knowledge. Because the more knowledge of different people you have as a group the more powerful tickets can be created.

So if you are interested we can always discuss in private or on telegram, Skype if preferred. It would be nice to have a BTCtalk community member joining our team so we have someone that can vouch for us and about what we are doing.
90  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Worst Day of My LIFE - Dice on: November 11, 2019, 12:35:42 PM
another victim of the martingale self destruction strategy. Casino gambling always end up in a loss no matter what strategy you use. I feel sorry for you but you shouldn't have borrowed money to gamble in the first place. Thats by far one of the most stupid things you can do
91  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 11, 2019, 12:15:52 PM
Very interesting op. Decided to do some research on Colossus bets(Never heard of it till now) and observed that they have been around for sometime with decent reviews overall. They basically encourage accumulator style mutual bets with slightly better chances.

Can understand why some posters including me are skeptical about your 'Guaranteed' winning system though I am interested in this syndicate system of yours, but I would like to know what the minimum investment is in your group(In crypto obviously)? Also, I focus primarily on Soccer and Cricket bets.

This is also not a risk free betting,from what I understood you invest in a pool and hope to get back more than you invested by winning soccer bets or any other form of bets.I don’t think will work in the long run as no one keeps winning in the long run even in sport betting.

I end up always to using the same question,if this is a 100% win method why don’t the op and his friends take a bank loan and start playing themselves?

Simple because there is no risk free betting.

I politely ask you to look at the following screenshot that I attached. Only note this week I only qualify for the 7.5% rebate because it was my first week as a captain over there and I did not reached the required 750€+ in total pool value.

Check following betting details.

total cost of the ticket : 145.80€
captain minimum contribution 10%: 14.58€
7.5% rebate on the ticket if sold: 10.94€

So what does this tell. If this ticket gets fully funded I receive 10.94€ back from the 14.58€ I invested myself (because of I didnt reach the 750€ + total value) But if I would have reached the 750+ I would have received back the entire 14.58€ and I would own 10% of that ticket.

So I consider this risk free betting. Cause even if the ticket is loosing I receive back my stake because of the 10% rebate. So as soon I receive my weekly 750€+ minimum then I will bet for free cause I receive the 10% rebate which is equal to my personal stake in the ticket.




And by the way I am not begging for money here. I am just offering this to this community. This platform does not accept crypto so that why I suggested to compose a fun betting group and put together resources and bet risk free as a group.
I have enough money to do this on my own but why playing alone if you can increase chances by playing together
92  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 11, 2019, 11:55:09 AM
A 100% risk-free? Does such thing exist in gambling? Because as far as I know, when you bet or gamble, it's a risk already.  That's why it's called 'bet', you might lose or win. And when you bet, you're already risking your money. I'm just being skeptical here but I didn't say nor intended to say that it's a bad site. I'm just saying my opinion though. When it comes to gambling, I don't believe nor expect there's a "100%" thing just like 100% guaranteed no losing.

like explained in the post and explained on the colossusbets.com website. There is a possibility to bet risk free. I already explained the conditions.

You must get a total of 750€+ in filled syndicate pools you created yourself.
You only fund 10% of the pools with your own money.

If you be able to fill 750+ in own syndicates colossusbets gives you back a rebate of 10% which actually the same amount as you put at stake yourself. So yeah I consider this as a risk free betting method.

93  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 10, 2019, 10:50:12 PM
At first I was confused with the syndicates and the rebates but after checking the sites FAQ I slightly understand how it works. It's a group bet that you need to fill up to that certain amount.

What's the name of the site?

This service that you're offering should be in IBG board or in services. It doesn't have anything to do with cryptocurrency gambling, you're just asking for money from other people. You're saying the site doesn't even support crypto.
I agree that it should be in service board. It may be consider as a gambling discussion thread since it is about betting a game like nba, boxing and other sports that you can bet. In my opinion, this thread is like a tipster thread but you won't be the one to bet. I don't find this as a recommended thing to do since there are tipster that you can check and not even a single site is mentioned on what site will be used to place bets.
It's not similar to a tipster, it seems like mutual betting I think you can still get to pick which outcomes you prefer but the odds or payouts are fixed to a specific amount depending on how many outcomes you pick on your tickets.

Indeed it’s not tipping. As captain you can play solo or you can create/join syndicates. It actually is mutual betting like you say.
Prob you also found out that there is a possibility to bet entirely for free as a captain because of the rebate.

But you can only bet for free if you achieve the gold rank every week by reaching a total of 750$+ filled syndicates and not adding more than 10% to your own syndicate tickets
94  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Syndicate pool betting results. on: November 10, 2019, 10:07:16 PM
DAMN!!!!! I could smash my head against the wall at this moment.

But this can happen as well. I composed a pick 4 ticket with 0.20€ lines which made the ticket eligible to scoop 3,000€ max of the total 30,000€ prize pool. But unfortunately my syndicate didnt got entirely filled and in this way got voided (cancelled).

But guess what if the ticket would have hade filled we would have scooped the entire 3,000€ cause there was not a single winning line amongst the valid tickets.

95  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Syndicate pool betting results. on: November 10, 2019, 10:01:09 PM
Another winning syndicate that delivered my syndicate investors an almost 7x return.

25€ played
165€ cashed

profits 140€


96  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% guaranteed no loosing sport betting method on: November 10, 2019, 09:06:24 PM
ok ia m not luring in people. I am just showing there is a way to bet on sports risk free.

You can all check out on colossusbets.com. It is a very well reputed sited with UK gambling license.

You should check out their promotions. One of the promotions is the maximum of 10% rebate for syndicate captains.

And if you make a simple calculation. If you get 750€ or more total value in syndicates filled, you as captain receive a 10% rebate of the total value.
If you read a little further then you notice that the minimum contribution of a captain is 10%.

So if you put in only the 10% minimum captain contribution and you are able to get at least 750€ of syndicates filled you actually receive back the money you put in yourself.

just check out their website. Its far from a scam. they are running for years already. paid out over 30 million GBP and operate under a heavily controlled UK gambling license.

Check the article https://captain.colossusbets.com/?utm_source=CB.com%20Footer




An extra reply. I never said this is a 100% winning method. I only mentioned it is a 100% risk free way. there are of course some requirements. to get the full 10% rebate you need to get 750€+ filled syndicates on a weekly basis. And if you put more than the minimum 10% yourself to your syndicates then of course the amount above is at risk.

I only said if you manage to get sold 750€+ in syndicates and you contribute the minimum amount then you as captain get back your stake as a rebate the week after.
97  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Syndicate pool betting results. on: November 10, 2019, 05:21:53 PM
Together with 11 investors we played this ticket.

We entered the 20 cent per line pick 15 1x2 for a guaranteed prize pool of 80,000€

In the beginning it went well but we got a loosing game with Arsenal. in 93th minute they caught a goal by the opponent to end the game in a 1-1 draw.

But I decided to CashOut 50% of the ticket for155€ during one of the CashOut options. So I already secured a 1.5x on my investors contributions.
After another 4 games concluded we received another 155€ offer for the 50% reminder of the ticket and I decided to CashOut another 40% to keep 10% running as a gamble. At the end it was a good decision because we only received a 1.84€ dividend pay out.

But so can you see the power of partial cashouts during the games.

Ticket cost 115€
winnings    319€

profits:      204€







Interested in joining our group... just let me know. The larger our group the larger tickets we can play.
98  Economy / Gambling discussion / Syndicate pool betting results. 2,000€ in cashout offers currently on: November 10, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
Hey guys,

I am a huge fan of playing syndicate bets. This basically is just teaming up with other people and buy shared tickets. In this way you pay as much as if you would play by yourself but get more chances because there are many more lines involved. If there is a price or jackpot hit of course it needs to be shared with everyone but well. I rather share profits than chasing big wins on my own which mostly result in losses.


My goal is to create a group in this community and chase this jackpots together. But I am well aware that this community is all about trust. So initially I will post some syndicates I got involved in or that I created myself. And maybe eventually there will be people interested in teaming up and chase jackpots together.

If you want to create pool bets yourself you can of course also join colossusbets.com and join the action. Only note that they do not accept crypto deposits and do require a kyc verification.

But if you do so just signup over there by using 'RAFHODLER' as code. Me and you will be rewarded with a freeplay.



But for now I will start posting the results of my own syndicates and those I joined as a member as well. Please note however I will only post winning tickets doesnt mean that there are no loosing tickets of course.



99  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Mutual betting pool] 800,000€+ jackpot on Betfair.com pool betting!!!!! on: November 10, 2019, 05:06:14 PM

I know that I am 'only' a junior member. So I do not care if people rather want a well reputable forum member to act as escrow service. I can easily cover 500-750€ while coins are held in escrow.


Glad to see that you're willing to use escrow for this.

However, I don't really see how an escrow can be used in this situation. Wouldn't they need to be the one to place the bet?

If that's the case, what is your involvement in this?

I would place the bet. cause the verified account is on my name and I am the only one able to bet on it. I would use the escrow service to hold the money until the bet would be ended.
So lets say we bet 250€ in total. the escrow holds the coins, I pay the money for the bet out of my pocket. After the bet if there are winnings I distribute the winnings and after that the escrow releases the escrowed coin to me.

The platform I am using doesnt take crypto so I would have to bet in € anyway. And I have enough money in my account to cover the stake initially, so basically I would not care if the coins stay in the escrow until after the bet is finished
100  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling as a profession: there's people who live out of gambling? on: November 10, 2019, 01:52:57 PM
There are lots of professional gambler. but to become a professional gambler you do require a lot of external skills to become a professional gambler.

firstly I do not categorise casino or chance games to be a good way to be a professional gambler. all games that have a house edge just cannot be a full time source of income. cause in the long run you will never end up in profit when playing casino games, slots and other games with house edge.

I do believe you can become a professional gambler and lots of them exist already. But I do believe you can only become a professional gambler in gambling games of skill. In my opinion the 2 only ways to consider yourself a professional gambler is to be successful in poker or in sports betting.

But it is not that easy to become a professional gambler and you need a lot more than just some skills and luck. I know a couple professional sport bettors and poker players myself and they all are very intellectual people. To become a professional poker player or sports bettor you need to have a lot of experience with maths, statistics and analytical skills.

You can have a good life as professional gambler but it can't be underestimated. I know a professional sport bettor. He is doing sports bets full time since 1998 and I know he and his team of analysts spent many more hours on analysing games, verifying statistics than they actually bet. Lets say it takes 1 hour daily to effectively place the bets but it takes 8-12 hours of work upfront placing the bets.... And most important of all he makes a good living out of it but he is by far become a millionaire.

You can become a professional but with the right mindset. You need to be willing to put in many more hours than you would do in a regular job and you cannot have the intention to become millionaire overnight.

You can hit the jackpot in a poker tournament but that are only 5% of total professional poker community that makes such huge cashes. 95% of professional poker player make a good living but not become a millionaire.
Same for professional sports punters. They never chase huge winnings but they place thousands of bets on a monthly basis to keep in a positive ROI.


So conclusion: There are many professional gamblers but it is a tough life and not always the glitter and glamour you see from those poker players winnings millions in 1 single tournament. Majority of professional gamblers need to work and spend ten times more time to make their living out of gambling.
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