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81  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 05, 2016, 05:47:52 AM
For all other users,

None of the trading has been done in the jibble's trading thread.

I resent that statement!!

I'm joking, but in all honesty there has been quite a bit of trade on that thread, or at least i assume there has , i get frequent private msgs for the removal of apparently filled orders and have bought and sold some myself and the risky2 fellow i am escrowing for.

Most of the questions you have asked have already been answer in the previous pages but yes some haven't and your right about if doing an auction for maximum benefit it should of been conducted differently . Thanks for you opinions and i hope you can join in the discussion of trying to find the best solution

Well, if trading would have happened, you should write a third column stating finished trades. Do exchanges hide finished trades?
I'm posting all this because of the concerns I have. All my concerns and questions are to support the dev towards perfection not FUD.

It definitely should have finished trades, some people wish to trade in private and some have asked me personally not to post certain things and its also my first time making a trade thread and i was just following the format of the first one i could find , which didn't show previous trades either.

I know and i thank you for your opinions on the matter, i also want to reach a mutual agreement between community and Dev and i have almost never used the word FUD and would definitely not Label anything you have said as such.

That's nice, you have managed your first exchange thread. Everything starts from little before turning to a major thing. All your ideas in here are good for the dev. I'm reading your posts. But still now, you're the only one, writing and contributing to this coin.
82  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 05, 2016, 05:38:41 AM
For all other users,

None of the trading has been done in the jibble's trading thread.

I resent that statement!!

I'm joking, but in all honesty there has been quite a bit of trade on that thread, or at least i assume there has , i get frequent private msgs for the removal of apparently filled orders and have bought and sold some myself and the risky2 fellow i am escrowing for.

Most of the questions you have asked have already been answer in the previous pages but yes some haven't and your right about if doing an auction for maximum benefit it should of been conducted differently . Thanks for you opinions and i hope you can join in the discussion of trying to find the best solution

Well, if trading would have happened, you should write a third column stating finished trades. Do exchanges hide finished trades?
I'm posting all this because of the concerns I have. All my concerns and questions are to support the dev towards perfection not FUD.
83  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 05, 2016, 05:36:44 AM
The proposals I've heard are:
Drop based on BOINC mining: I view this is similar to plain old PoW, people with the most invested in mining hardware get everything. Better than traditional wasted PoW since it's more useful but it's not particularly more fair. This is also hard to set up and it's unknown if it can be gamed long term

Longer faucet times: In principle this solves the load problem but it's also easy to game. As someone else in this thread pointed out there's no way to prove an identity on the Internet. What we can prove is IP, browser cookies, time spent on capcha. If we made the time longer, what someone can do is get a multitude of IPs, each having their own cookie expiration timer running and very little effort solving N capchas. This person would get rai out of the faucet at whatever N they could swing.

Continue with faucet distribution and cut off when amount reached: This is still effectively a sale. Capcha clickers get paid and people wanting large quantities of rai do the paying.  The only difference between this method and the auction is capcha clickers get paid rather than me. I don't begrudge them wanting payment though it isn't obvious to me how this is very different.  At any rate I don't feel like running and developing a network when my time is monopolized by people who expect and downright demand the faucet be continuously operating for them.

1. BOINC atleast helps for some purpose. This is very similar to POW
2. Faucet distribution has no better alternative to block all these blackhatters. You should simply ignore those concerns, if you're continuing with the method.
3. Once you decide to distribute by faucet method, you shouldn't care about who are buying and how are they buying. You're a coin creator, they're traders. Traders always try to find their ways for profit. If devs develop concern about traders insights, then they can not develop a good coin. None of the community members ask you to create a coin, burn your time, funds for captcha-claimers. You're deciding it on your own, and you have done it that way. No one is going to stop you with your opinion.
4. You can not compare the sales of the coin your way. Auctioning your own coin means you have created a coin and you're auctioning it for your own profit. This means you want to take the profit from the coin. You don't want the community to use, trade and profit/loss from your coin.
5. Why do you think about the captcha clickers and people buying from them. It is not the part of the dev. That's their own problem. If you concern about their profit making methods, then it is clear that you want to make money and not them.  
6. Still now, you're not thinking about the people who want to hold and use for the real purpose of the coin. You're simply thinking about the trading/money making methods. Why should a dev should concern about the money? If you want money, you can properly put it in the way. That's my point.
7. I could see, only one member is backing you all the time. However, you are free to test all waters.

My best idea is first list this coin on an exchange. Whatever the coins innovation, you can get the real price of the coin. A coin's price can not be predicted by 10 or 15 people. I still believe, the coin is overpriced here. If it hits an exchange, it will not trade more than 5 ? satoshis. if people start to see the real price, then they don't come to your faucet and increase the load. Only real people who wants to hold the coin for long time, can only use the faucet.

Besides, the simplest and honest way is to turn on POW/POS concept. Don't care about who mine it, how much they mine it. Use your time in development. If you want dev funds, do an ICO for a percent of the coins.
84  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 05, 2016, 04:55:00 AM
For all other users,

None of the trading has been done in the jibble's trading thread. May be people may have exchanged coins in private. People bidding and asking there virtually created the demand for the price. There is no sudden interest for this coin. People one by one started to know about the free coin distribution spreading the word across and creates a virtual demand to claim these coins. The actual free distribution plan and the daily percentage of distribution was very excellent. Though it is complicated, it is a fair distribution. I may have shown my concern about the fair distribution. But it has been cleared earlier. The faucet was working well and fair.

I do care about the dev a lot. If not, I'm not going to post in this thread. I'm not creating FUD here, just posting my real concern. The dev says, he spent 2 years+ of his time to develop this coin. But suddenly he fell for the auctioning. I don't know who gave this idea.

If you're auctioning or doing ICO, you need to follow a proper way. If you decide to auction, you must first stop the exchange threads all over the places. Though people can exchange privately. Or you should follow the faucet distribution + the exchange thread.

If you're auctioning, you shouldn't allow exchanges, exchange threads until you complete your auction at all levels.

Auctioning is indirectly an ICO. You should write a proper announcement about the auction in bitcointalk forum, it should not be in the unknown google pages.

1. You must clearly explain why you're auctioning. What made you to decide to choose it. It may be any reason. No issues.
2. What is the total number of coins?
3. How many coins will be distributed every year? Lot of members here are not good as your math. We don't know what is 2^25 is. You have to state in numbers.
4. What is your daily distribution plan for the first year?
5. What is a lot?
6. What is the minimum bid for the auction? State UTC time for starting and ending time of the auction.
7. How long will you wait for the auction winner to claim his bid? What will happen if he/she differs his auction win? If he is not contacting you, what will you do?
8. Again, if first day auctions goes for a particular winning price, do you fix a base auction price for the second day? Do you offer a buy now price from the second day?
9. What will happen if people lose interest to participate in your auction? Do you switch to another money collecting method?
10. Many coins have done successful initial funding. You may have the chances of getting funds by this way. This could happen only when you do things properly.
11. The auction must happen in bitcointalk forum.
12. As I have seen here, none of the real crypto supporters posted in your thread. If you look into the past, you can see people asking for faucet, exchange and more distribution methods. If anyone posted and asked about what you have been doing this 2 years for this coin. Just show me if there was any.
13. People who are providing captcha jobs in Services section and people who are buying in auctions are just traders who buy now for small price and dump for higher price. Then simply disappear once they get profit and move to another coin. This is IMO.
14. If real people who are really looking for real potential from coins, must not ask for faucet and exchange at first. Don't fall for these false illusion. The real thing, the coin has got some attention from free coin claimers and from people who are looking for small profits.
15. As you have turned off faucet now, you could see only one or two or even no posts in your thread for several days.
16. IMO again, as you're auctioning in the sudden and improper way without any prior announcement, good ICO funders might not get your coins. Look at how other coins have done their ICO. Some of the coins collected millions. I'm worrying about the imperfection with this coin.

Anyhow, you did a great job with the coin. But you really suck with the distribution plan changes. My suggestion is you just turn it back to free faucet distribution as before and don't mind about the captcha-miners and other people. The coin will move to several hands before it settles to the proper hand. Concentrate on technical stuffs and try to bring your dream innovation as fast as possible. Auctioning will not let the auction winners to hold the coins for long time. They simply sell for profit and simply go away.

Good luck.

Note: This is an example consideration. How much btcs will be collected in the first year if the auction goes this way. Assuming you're auction for the next 365 days, 7 lots a day and the average auction win price as 0.5 btc. You might be collecting 3.5 btcs a day and 365*3.5=1277.5 btc in total for the first year. This equals to 1277.5*$400=$511000. And only 10 or 15 people are going to bid daily. The distribution again goes only to a very few countable people.
85  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 05, 2016, 04:26:52 AM
Many people have pointed out to me that the faucet is a very complicated way to for people to purchase Mrai.  Payment goes to people who are willing to wait for and click the captcha and in return they get the faucet payout for the amount they want.

People have recommended that rather than having a complex system we should simplify the way this is distributed and I think their advice is good.

The simplest way to get these out to people is to auction them in lots which for year 1 on the distribution schedule is 475k per day.  I'll conduct and auction thread on the RaiBlocks forum which will stay open for 24 hours after which I'll accept the 7 highest bids, no matter how low, and will send them each 1 lot.

In the next couple days we'll be releasing an OpenCL GPU module which will address several people's needs who need to generate higher volumes of transactions.  We're also working on making an ad-clearing server library for web pages for people to try on their sites.

The auction is conducted in this thread:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/raiblocks/h7u7b1lTgLE

thats crazy? thats the worst idea ever? turning Raiblock for a giveaway into an auction ICO (or am i missing something).

so from something of enormous potential straight to no more then the typical (illegal) ICO scam  Huh

i gotta have misread?



You have taught me one more point from the basics of crypto 101. Thanks again. Actually dev has put his long time efforts into FUD for now. This will go now for sometime. I need to learn a lot from the old members a lot. This seems I'm still a child in here.
86  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 05, 2016, 04:11:00 AM
Where are the btcs go? Is this an ICO without stating any ICO announcement? How many people did participate in the discussion and agree to take part in the discussion before you decide to do this. What will happen to the future auctions, if this coin hits an exchange? Or do you have plan to not list in exchanges until all auctions are over? If first day auction goes for good price, do you put a minimum bid for the second day auction.

As you're auctioning this coin, you're no longer going to give free coins for the community? How long will it take for the auction winners to realize their profit?

jibble: Are you closing your buy sell thread until this auction ends? Because I have seen none of the coins host an exchange until coins are distributed by auctioning/ICO/IPO finishes. If yes, then you have to wait a long to start your buy/sell thread again.
87  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 04, 2016, 06:38:47 PM
I found out why the distribution amount has moved a tiny amount. Our live demos are actually live demos so when people were running them it would change the amount distributed.

We turned the demos down to 1 Mrai so even if people are using the demos, it will use as little as possible.

Issue cleared. Where are these funds going? It seems to be a nice cut in the distribution. What are you going to do with the spent coins there?
88  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 04, 2016, 05:32:39 PM
The faucet is currently off. But 400k coins are distributed while faucet is off. How is this happening? Anything sketchy? Any programming error? API is moving the distribution virtually? It has to be simplified. Or Faucet testing is actually relayed on the distribution?

Edit : Confused a bit. Striking now. I think faucet is showing the right distribution. Still looking is this right or not.

faucet is off but I can see the disturibution of percentage is change. It was not 3.8% before. I guess dev trying something new or the facuet was online a little bit while I was sleeping.

It may be. But I request everyone to stop quoting these posts and encouraging these doubts. Let's make room for the dev easier. I don't want them to spend time on explaining answers at this time. If there is any issue, it will visibly arise once faucet is on.
89  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 04, 2016, 05:17:10 PM
The faucet is currently off. But 400k coins are distributed while faucet is off. How is this happening? Anything sketchy? Any programming error? API is moving the distribution virtually? It has to be simplified. Or Faucet testing is actually relayed on the distribution?

Edit : Confused a bit. Striking now. I think faucet is showing the right distribution. Still looking is this right or not.
90  Economy / Services / Re: Signature Design Competition for WWW.GAMEBET.GG on: April 04, 2016, 04:54:22 PM
If you have included the word escrow in the OP, just remove it. You can run this contest directly. If dev is holding the funds, then no issues. People above posted some signature designs. If I could spare some time, I will also try to compete with them.
91  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Memetic - [MEME] NOW ON BITTREX!, IPFS, Meme on the blockchain. PEPE Rebranded on: April 04, 2016, 04:22:24 PM
Can someone care to answer my doubts?

1. Do we need to mine this coin or buy from exchanges to hold?
2. If I create MEMES, will I be able to get some coins? Is this an alternative to mining like "Proof of MEME"
92  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: The Simple Game on: April 04, 2016, 04:15:11 PM
How it works? I don't understand.

Is this a Ponzi? Will it stop paying at some time?

If yes, then guys are launching the same thing again and again.

It seems only early investors can benefit the profit. The laters may lose the coin.
93  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [MOJO] Mojocoin - 15% pure PoS | Coinfest UK | Rokos OS | IoT | TOR on: April 04, 2016, 03:31:04 PM
Mojo has no disadvantage to be traded below 10000 sats per coin. People who are selling below 10k are real losers. People who are buying below 10k sats are getting coins for free while thinking about the future price. There will be lot of dumpers much below this price for few days until real trading happens. But, nothing can be predicted in the cryptos. There will be lot of volatality for few days. Let's see how well the trading goes. Good luck to holders.
94  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Get paid 0.00040000 per solved captcha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: April 04, 2016, 03:11:25 PM
go here https://raiblocks.net/#/start

download the wallet

Claim coins from the faucet into your own address

sell here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1422828

Its not worth now as they have switched off the faucet as of now as discussed in their official thread.And they are also thinking to increase the time frame to claim faucet . Also there are many workers providing same but wonder how their rates differ( i.e someone is giving 15000 satoshis per captcha and this guy is giving 40000 satoshis)  Undecided

This thread's OP is not giving 40k per entry. He is simply suggesting to claim and sell it in the coin's exchange thread. The other guys who offer 15k sats per entry may change their price from time to time. They want to acquire at very low price and sell at much higher price. There is nothing negative in their business model. Because, people who works for them may get their payments every 100 entries as they're saying. If you want to sell in the exchange thread, you need to wait for the buyer. It's upto the people who works.
95  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Get paid 0.00040000 per solved captcha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: April 04, 2016, 02:48:10 PM
It is worth to claim Mrais now. None of the exchanges have listed it till now. But the bct trading thread is being active and lot of people are waiting to buy at good price. You may claim your coins there and dump at the lower bidders if you want fast money and it will lower the price to bottom level which will makes the future claims useless. Or you can wait for higher bids and sell for high price. It's upto you.

For windows users, I don't know about the virus notifications. But you have to do windows update and install .net framework, then you need to have Microsoft Visual c++ runtime redistributable 2015 to be installed on top of the other updates. Restart once you have done windows update, then install .net framework, then install redistributable package. Restart the machine. And install windows wallet. If any error occurs, repeat the process again.

Windows 32 bit wallet is working for me after doing this. I use Virtual box to run Windows 7. My primary operating system is Ubuntu 15. The linux wallet is not working for me. I get some compile errors there. I asked the dev in the main thread. He isn't looking into technical issues now. I have to wait until he responds to my queries.
96  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 03, 2016, 05:07:55 PM
Some of my entries did not receive 200 Mrai's this hour. It says sent whenever I claimed. I do believe 4 to 7 entries are not added to the address. But it did say sent. This means, the faucet is trying to pay after it becomes dry. I ask dev to look into code.
97  Economy / Services / Re: [Hiring: Update 2 ]Data Entry/Captha Work at 0.0001 BTC for 1 Captha on: April 03, 2016, 02:51:26 PM
No, You can keep on working and wait for price increase.

I am considering on price increase but you have to wait a little.

For those who need payout at this rate 0.001  , should can request for payout.

Keep on working

Same mistake as before. Are you now paying 0.001? Great price. But I want to wait a bit to take a lower price than this. I don't want 0.001 per captcha. Thanks for the offer!!!
98  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [MOJO] Mojocoin - 15% pure PoS | Coinfest UK | Rokos OS | IoT | TOR on: April 03, 2016, 02:00:57 PM
Look, everyone, this is a long term project and we will not be listed at Bittrex or Poloniex for a while so I suspect that you'd be better off holding on to your coins for now and let the market stabilise and see where we go. I don't know if you're new to this or not but crypto prices are highly unpredictable...slow and steady wins the race...

I truely agree with the dev. There are lot of coins in the past were dumped hard once it gets an exchange. Some of the coins are now traded at a good price. People who have been here for 2 to 3 years might know this very well. However, still people who have missed in free distribution and ICO distribution can stack loads of coins from dumpers in the beginning. This happens to all coins. This is one of the long-term holding coins. Time to collect now and hold.
99  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Cryptocurrency's killer app: disrupting web ads via RaiBlocks micropayments on: April 03, 2016, 01:42:02 PM
The Faucet is Off currently. I guess again the Claim rate is increasing ? any ideas...May 500Mrai every 10 mins ?

yes i think it maybe off with the rate of distribution last 24hrs well above whats needed. however simple math will tell you that 500 every 10 mins won't improve the situation now plenty have come on board.

I hope dev has coded to auto decide the distribution of coins and delay time every 24 hours. If it is still manual, then he has to make it to work automatic at first. This will make easy to run the faucet by not turning it off and on.

What you mean by auto decide the distribution of coins?

I mean the decide as

1. The number of coins per claim.
2. The time delay between claims.

As per the distribution plan, the per claim distribution amount must be changed periodically.
100  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Avatar campaign Pulsarcoin on: April 03, 2016, 01:35:00 PM
I think it will get more people in if you post it on service section just all the signature campaign are posted,hopefully your coin will get more promoters you just need to update your announcement thread I notice you seldom post updates on it..

i might be wrong but since it is not paying bitcoin it might not be allowed there. i have never seen any of the altcoin paying sig or avatar posted there.

If bitointalk rules don't allow it there, then a Altcoin-Marketplace-Services section is needed to list the campaign services. This will help all coin devs to easily organize their campaigns.
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