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81  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Chain Archaeology revisited -- suspected Satoshi SPENT blocks analysis on: August 26, 2020, 10:58:42 PM
Block 29,997: Last but not least is this last one that wasn't spent until 7/22/2010. It's transaction hash is the 8th lowest in terms of order out of 69,714 potential blocks BUT #1-7 are all previously spent is it is really the first available one.  I find that pretty amazing adding support this transaction was Satoshi and what are the chances that he just happened to have the lowest available transaction block in his wallet unless he happened to have a lot more coins in it  Cool


The timing is noteworthy I believe. Recapping some key Satoshi events:

  • 5/10/2010: the Satoshi Extra Nonce and Nonce patterns largely disappear  with block 54316 (unknown if software change impacted pattern, Satoshi just changed his MO or simply stopped)
  • 5/17/2010: 600 BTC coins are transferred in two transactions where all 12 coinbases involved fit Satoshi Extra Nonce and Nonce patterns
  • 7/22/2010: a final transaction with 50 BTC using coins mined from block 29,097 that 1) conform to both Satoshi Extra Nonce and block Nonce range patterns and 2) just happen to be the next unspent coinbase out of 69,714 blocks available at the time this transaction was made!
  • 12/10/2010 Last post on bitcointalk  Sad
  • 4/23/2011: Satoshi emails Mike Hearn "I've moved on to other things."  Sad Cry

Questions, corrections, comments ?
82  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Chain Archaeology revisited -- suspected Satoshi SPENT blocks analysis on: August 26, 2020, 10:51:20 PM
A lot of time an energy as been devoted to Satoshi potential fortune of UNSPENT coins (granted could me more than 1 million!), but I decided to take a harder look at the coins Satoshi just MIGHT have spent to see what they can tell us.

The article's author below reproduces Sergio Demian Lerner's blockchain analysis with the intent to infer LIKELY Satoshi mined coins using two main observations/patterns: 1) Coinbase Transaction's Extra Nonce pattern and 2) the block's own Nonce range pattern. Both observations reinforce and refine his initial thesis.  Yes, neither technique is absolutely definitive so by combining the two strategies reduces, but not eliminates, the amount of false positives.  For more background the article provides a decent summary of Sergio's analysis, but it is even better to hear it directly from Sergio's own blog where he has plenty of related articles on bitcoin Chain Archaeology here: https://bitslog.com/category/uncategorized/

At the end of the article, and without much ado, the author provides a list of 19 blocks he believes were mined by Satoshi:

The Satoshi Fortune https://medium.com/@whale_alert/the-satoshi-fortune-e49cf73f9a9b
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Note: according to our research the following blocks have been mined and spent by Satoshi: 9, 286, 688, 877, 1760, 2459, 2485, 3479, 5326, 9443, 9925, 10645, 14450, 15625, 15817, 19093, 23014, 28593 and 29097.
Presumably the author concludes these are Satoshi mined blocks based on blocks matching the distinct Extra Nonce pattern w/ its coinbase transaction AND having the last byte of the block's nonce fall within a specific relatively narrow range.  However even if they two 'tells' are legit there is always a possibility of a false positive by shear coincidence.

Keep in your mind this article estimates Satoshi mined over 1.1 MILLION coins, but that is not what this thread is about.

Instead I decided to take this small list of SPENT coin blocks (article feel confident they identified a total of 907 coins spent by Satoshi  Wink) and put them to the test building upon a keen observation made by Taras back in his 2017 thread Payment No. 1: A Closer Look at the Very First Bitcoin Transfer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2346992.0 (excellent background read!)

I analyzed the 19 spent transactions and found 4 more followed Taras' initial observation!  That is when you send bitcoins the early implementation of the bitcoin wallet simply grabbed the first coins available based on coinbase's transaction hash ORDER! (in other words NO option to specify which coins you wanted to spend it selected it for you using the transaction hash order)



Here is the breakdown order by transaction hash for each of the 5 starting with well documented first transaction EVER made between CONFIRMED Satoshi and Hal (reflecting Taras' findings) from Block 9:
The first version of the bitcoin wallet chose which coins were to be spent in a transaction based on the transaction ID the coins came from (actually by how many there are first, but in this case, all the transactions mined precisely 50 BTC, so that doesn't make a difference). The first payment to Hal Finney was in block 170, and newly mined bitcoins can only be spent after they have 101 confirmations, so only coins up to block 68 were spendable when the first payment happened.


Block 286: this suspected satoshi spender just happen to use the SECOND out of 423 blocks in TX hash order:

This image shows how first block with lowest transaction hash order (278) does NOT conform to either the Satoshi extra nonce pattern NOR the block's nonce pattern supporting that Satoshi spent his 'first available block' theory:


Block 688: yet again this suspected Satoshi spender just happen to have the lowest transaction hash order block available to spend out of 2,653 potential blocks:


Block 5326: and yet again this suspected Satoshi spender (matching both patterns) just happen to have the lowest transaction hash order block available to spend out of 11,307 potential blocks:


continued...

  
83  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: when will cryptocurrency go mainstream? on: August 26, 2020, 01:54:28 PM
Regardless if Fidelity's prediction is right or wrong I think it is it the positive column in terms of being considered 'mainstream' when companies such as Fidelity are spending a considerable effort to predict bitcoin's future price.

Sure doesn't hurt my head either that they are predicting a $1M price point by 2029  Cool

Asset Giant Fidelity Analyzes Model That Forecasts Bitcoin Rise to $1,000,000
https://dailyhodl.com/2020/08/25/asset-giant-fidelity-analyzes-model-that-forecasts-bitcoin-rise-to-1000000/

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A recent report from Fidelity Digital Assets analyzes the stock-to-flow ratio, which divides the amount of a commodity in circulation by the amount mined per year.

Using the correlation between an asset’s price and its S2F ratio, the pseudonymous crypto analyst PlanB has predicted that Bitcoin’s value will soar to $1 million by 2029.
84  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Holders have an opportunity to earn interest due to cred partnership on: August 25, 2020, 03:49:36 PM
I am glad you asked about cred because I was curious myself. Nothing like a FAQ written by an avatar to inspire confidence especially with this non answer  Undecided

https://intercom.help/CredPartner/en/articles/2810556-why-should-we-trust-cred
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Why should we trust Cred?
Xavier avatar Written by Xavier Updated over a week ago
Cred has built a talented and experienced team of crypto-asset, technology, and finance enthusiast's focused on providing valuable products to our customer base. In addition to our team, our key partners were selected based on our experience, track record and leadership in the crypto community.

Cred offers 24/7 support for any user questions, as well as a private client team specifically catered to helping you get started with Cred.
85  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Poll: when will cryptocurrency go mainstream? on: August 25, 2020, 12:47:02 PM
This recent article spells out the case for why 2020 could be the year cryptocurrency goes 'mainstream'. I have included a quote that summarizes her position. However I am more interested to hear from this group what you think and why.

Also interested in hearing what other positive or negative influences going on this year not mentioned that would impact mainstreaming.

Finally, will Bitcoin lead the charge or will other cryptocurrencies provide key contributions toward mainstreaming and why?

Note: You can only vote once, you can't change your vote, and you have only 14 days to make a choice.  Grin

Why 2020 might be the year cryptocurrency goes mainstream
https://fortune.com/2020/08/24/crypto-digital-currency-bitcoin-jpmorgan/
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Cryptocurrency and digital money like Bitcoin are poised to go mainstream in 2020 due to a confluence of factors, writes Catherine Coley.

There are a few factors contributing to this change, and they are important enough that Americans should be paying attention. First, government payments to individuals and businesses alike are weakening the U.S. fiat (physical cash) system. Second, large banking institutions like JPMorgan Chase are condoning and even welcoming digital currencies onto their platforms. And third, more Americans are home, witnessing the discrepancy in the market’s growth and the nation’s unemployment rate.
86  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Empty Blocks on: August 24, 2020, 07:54:46 PM
That's the other puzzling thing, how is it possible that a block could be successfully mined within seconds when it should take on average 10 minutes?
This is an average time range, it could be faster or slower depending on some factors such as the one given by @ranochigo; luck, cause finding a hash is based on randomness. The difficulty level is adjusted approximately every 2 weeks or 2016 blocks to maintain the average block time of 10 minutes.
I did some quick checks based on the earliest blocks (0  to 119,964 contained in blk00000.dat just because I had them handy).  Comparing the time deltas based on sequential blocks from the beginning of (blockchain) time the delta ranges from -119 to  7,719 minutes, but sure enough the average is ~10 minutes!  That is surprising because the difficulty didn't change until the end of 2009, but the first dat file covers from Jan 03 2009 (Genesis block 0) to April 24 2011 (119,964) so I guess maybe it compensated later if the average was off initially?

Maybe so...I checked the metrics from blocks 1 to 38,091 (Feb 4, 2010) around the time of the first difficulty change from 1 to 2:  Min -65 mins, Max 7,719 min (FYI delta 0 to 1 was an anomaly next largest was 1509 min)  and the average was close to 15 minutes versus target 10 minutes. This means the average after that must have been less than 10 minutes for a while to compensate.

Interestingly the timestamps for follow on blocks can be earlier in time...that was a bit of surprise to me at first, but I learned I can't assume sequential blocks are in temporal order.  For example:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/32649  -->  2010-01-02 04:49
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/block/32650  -->  2010-01-02 02:50

87  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: IRS: Releases Draft from 1040 and it's include virtual currency. on: August 23, 2020, 04:40:40 PM
Is 'receive' including buying?
Yes.

Why would IRS care about receive/acquiring anyway?
Because receiving/acquiring includes mining, earning, or receiving in exchange for goods or services, all of which the IRS will tax you for.

Isn't any tax based on sale/exchange/transfer away?
Those are certainly a taxable events, but so too are all the things I listed above. Pretty much any time any cryptocurrency changes ownership, the IRS want to stick their noses in a get a piece of the action. You can see here for all the things they consider taxable: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/frequently-asked-questions-on-virtual-currency-transactions

Thanks for the info and the link o_e_l_e_o.  I had to chuckle at this question:

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Q4.  Will I recognize a gain or loss when I sell my virtual currency for real currency?
if cypto currency isn't 'real' how can it generate capital gains?  Cheesy  just kidding of course, but I do think they could have come up with a better adjective here....
88  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: IRS: Releases Draft from 1040 and it's include virtual currency. on: August 23, 2020, 03:57:48 PM
That's not new. Last year's forms had the exact same question, except it was on the Schedule 1 (Additional Income) part of the 1040 rather than on the base 1040 form. You can see an example of 2019's Schedule 1 below:



All the IRS have done here is move it up to be front and center. Given that you don't have to file a Schedule 1 unless you have additional income or adjustments to declare, I wonder if the IRS thought that people were lying by omission by simply not filing a Schedule 1 if they didn't need to for other reasons, and therefore avoiding the question on "virtual currencies"? Can't see any other good reason to single out "virtual currency" and place it on the base 1040, when they don't do so for any other currency.
  Is 'receive' including buying? Why would IRS care about receive/acquiring anyway?  Isn't any tax based on sale/exchange/transfer away?
89  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message on: August 23, 2020, 12:11:37 PM
Isn't this related case going to not help CSW? 

If "Not your keys; not your coins" is enshrined in US case law, then this shouldn't be true: IF you have the keys, the coins ARE yours right? 
Yes, this is just US case law, but a good step in the right direction reflecting what we all believe to be true.

https://decrypt.co/39574/not-your-keys-not-your-coins-enshrined-in-us-case-law-says-lawyer
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"Not your keys; not your coins" enshrined in US case law, says lawyer
Crypto lawyer Justin Wales sees Archer v. Coinbase ruling in favor of the digital asset custodian as more proof of “not your keys, not your coins.”
In brief
  • A California court has decided that Coinbase is not obligated to pay out Bitcoin Gold generated in a 2017 Bitcoin fork.
  • Plaintiff Darrell Archer sued the company after demanding Bitcoin Gold that could have been generated from his 350 Bitcoin held on Coinbase.
  • Crypto lawyer Justin Wales sees the ruling as a milestone for digital asset custody case law in the US.
90  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin ready to migrate from PoW to PoS? on: August 20, 2020, 08:57:42 PM
According to various rumors, Bitcoin is closely following Ethereum's results. And this is because the second largest cryptocurrency after bitcoin a couple of months ago migrated its mining algorithm to PoS, several experts say that Bitcoin will also do so in the very short future. And this is basically due to the fact that because bitcoin is becoming more and more popular, the algorithm used by Bitcoin PoW generates many expenses for its extraction, ranging from large electrical expenses to high cost in mining equipment.

What do you think, algorithm migration is a solution for the high consumption of the PoW algorithm or not?
I doubt that will happen.  Exactly what 'experts' say this is happening?  how about pointing out some articles  Huh
91  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses Tech review on: August 18, 2020, 10:34:09 PM
"... "Out of the 27,973 a total of 145 addresses were used to signed a message" - DougM

Yes and no. Craig took these 28k addresses (created by Shadders in 2019), made a subset of 16,404 addresses, and filed that list in January 2020, claiming to have been compliant with court order."


- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1295397741737250817

 Grin
Ah thank you for the clarification.  So you recommend I extract the addresses from this PDF (16,404 total) and plot them instead since they are his 'latest and greatest' list eh?
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf
92  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins tokenized faster than they are being mined on: August 16, 2020, 11:53:23 PM
Another related article:

https://news.bitcoin.com/onchain-data-shows-449m-worth-of-bitcoin-on-eth-eclipses-offchain-competitors/

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Onchain analytics show the number of bitcoin (BTC) held on the Ethereum blockchain has been multiplying at an extremely fast rate since the end of May. On Sunday, August 16 there’s approximately 38,021 BTC on Ethereum or roughly $449 million stored in synthetic bitcoin protocols like Wbtc, Renbtc, Sbtc, and more.

The Wrapped Bitcoin (Wbtc) project has the most BTC locked into the system with 26,161 coins ($310M) in the framework.

Wbtc is by far the most popular synthetic bitcoin (BTC) on the market today. This is followed by Renbtc (7,721), Sbtc (1,793), Hbtc (1,310), Imbtc (988), Pbtc (48)



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“Bitcoin is now an undeniable part of [decentralized finance] defi, with $420M USD of BTC on Ethereum, in one form or another,” the CTO at Ren Protocol told his 2,778 Twitter followers on Saturday. “In the last 24 hours, over $24M has been moved through Ren Protocol to be used to farm yield. Anyone not generating APY right now with their BTC is asleep.
93  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins tokenized faster than they are being mined on: August 16, 2020, 09:44:56 PM
Why would anyone want to hodl an IOU for Bitcoin? It's a huge risk becaise there's so much that can go wrong here - hacks, bugs and other platform failures, and there's really no benefits here. Ethereum network fees are as high as Bitcoin's, so you won't save any money here. And merchant adoption of this Bitcoin token is nearly non-existent, so you'll find it very hard to actually spend. Lightning is a solution to transaction problems that doesn't have any of these drawbacks.
I completely agree yet there is not only a product, but also a demand for the product.  Can anyone explain the actual appeal?
94  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins tokenized faster than they are being mined on: August 16, 2020, 03:55:49 PM
What are the implications of 'wrapped bitcoin' tokenization trend to BTC if this trend continues?
In particular, is it positive or negative to BTC in the short or long run?


This may have a good effect as this is not Bitcoin itself and therefore it may be faster and cheaper to make transactions with it. This is not so bad at all. If this trend continues and is received well by the crypto community, it might make Bitcoin just a reserve currency which backs certain tokens such as WBTC 1:1.

But the problem is that it may exceed the 1:1 backing of real Bitcoin. If a Bitcoin token is minted without the proper backing of a real Bitcoin, it might become just like fiat which is printed out of thin air, or USDT without a real USD behind it.
  Interesting, I didn't consider the transaction aspect. Would it have any liquidity impact that could increase the demand for 'raw' BTCs?  I guess technically the demand might be offset by the wrapped bitcoin via Ethereum ecosystem but it also makes more BTC virtually available to a wider customer base which should have a net effect of increasing demand right?
95  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins tokenized faster than they are being mined on: August 16, 2020, 03:51:15 PM
I'm not following the whole process of minting the tokens but shouldn't there a process where the user that wants to mint WBTC have to send some bitcoins to some address? If that doesn't exist then the whole pegged token is dubious. If that process is indeed present, then I don't see why this this tokenization must be slower than the number of mined bitcoin per day. After all, anyone can just buy from the market, lock it and then get the pegged version in return.
https://wbtc.network/assets/wrapped-tokens-whitepaper.pdf

From the white paper the bitcoins are transferred from the merchant/customer to the 'custodian' who then mints a WBTC via a wrapped token contract.
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Sequence of events for users to receive WBTC tokens
● User requests wrapped tokens from a merchant
● The merchant does the required AML, KYC procedures and gets identification information from the user
● The user and merchant perform an atomic swap, or use a trusted exchange with the merchant receiving Bitcoin and the user receiving WBTC

It can also be 'burned' to unmint and release the original BTC.
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Sequence of events for burning WBTC tokens
● The merchant creates a burn transaction, burning X WBTC tokens
● Custodian waits for 25 block confirmations of the ETH transaction
● Custodian releases X BTC to the merchants Bitcoin address
● Custodian makes an ethereum transaction marking the burn request as completed

96  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins tokenized faster than they are being mined on: August 16, 2020, 12:37:10 PM
According to the reports the Bitcoins are tokenized faster than they are being Mined .
....
What are your views ?
Have you ever owned and used WBTC?

OMG how funny I just posted the same article and similar questions just minutes after you did!  I tried to delete mine, but I can't  Cry 
Maybe the moderators can delete it so we can consolidate this topic under your thread. I have very similar questions, but I will add them here to build on your thread:

What are the implications of 'wrapped bitcoin' tokenization trend to BTC if this trend continues?
In particular, is it positive or negative to BTC in the short or long run?
97  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MicroStrategy company adopts Bitcoin as primary treasury reserve asset. on: August 15, 2020, 08:58:05 PM
FYI recent article on this topic:
Pretty much similar to earlier articles, but a couple of nice new quotes and well worded sound bites:
MicroStrategy Just Sent Green Light To Corporate America On Bitcoin
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherbrookins/2020/08/14/microstrategy-just-sent-green-light-to-corporate-america-on-bitcoin/
Disclosure: The article's author owns bitcoin and ethereum.  Cool

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Per the CEO, Michael J. Saylor, “Our investment in Bitcoin is part of our new capital allocation strategy, which seeks to maximize long-term value for our shareholders.”

He further notes that “MicroStrategy has recognized Bitcoin as a dependable store of value and an attractive investment asset with more long-term appreciation potential than holding cash...and accordingly has made Bitcoin the principal holding in its treasury reserve strategy.”

Article pointed out this extreme irony...how far Saylor has come since then:  Grin Cheesy
https://decrypt.co/38604/microstrategy-ceo-predicted-the-death-of-bitcoin-years-ago

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Bitcoin days are numbered. It seems like just a matter of time before it suffers the same fate as online gambling,” Saylor tweeted.
For context, the pioneer digital asset was trading at $1,200 in November 2013, it’s first ever four-figure valuation and the first of its many upward runs.
98  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MicroStrategy company adopts Bitcoin as primary treasury reserve asset. on: August 15, 2020, 12:46:45 PM
FYI recent article on this topic:
Pretty much similar to earlier articles, but a couple of nice new quotes and well worded sound bites:
MicroStrategy Just Sent Green Light To Corporate America On Bitcoin
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherbrookins/2020/08/14/microstrategy-just-sent-green-light-to-corporate-america-on-bitcoin/
Disclosure: The article's author owns bitcoin and ethereum.  Cool

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Per the CEO, Michael J. Saylor, “Our investment in Bitcoin is part of our new capital allocation strategy, which seeks to maximize long-term value for our shareholders.”

He further notes that “MicroStrategy has recognized Bitcoin as a dependable store of value and an attractive investment asset with more long-term appreciation potential than holding cash...and accordingly has made Bitcoin the principal holding in its treasury reserve strategy.”

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Jeff Dorman, CIO of Arca, notes that MicroStrategy’s bitcoin investment has potentially “let the genie out of the bottle” on two issues, which could have lasting effects on Corporate America and Banking Industry.

1) “Every other Corporate Finance team at public companies saw the 10% move higher in Micro Strategy's stock price. Back in 2017/2018, many public companies found a way to use the word ‘Blockchain’ on earnings calls, just because the market was rewarding stocks of companies who were forward thinking. The move in Micro Strategy's stock upon announcement of a BTC ‘cash’ position will incentivize other CorpFin teams to consider this.”

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On the surface, it seems MicroStrategy’s bitcoin allocation has the potential to be the first domino in fulfilling Satoshi’s vision of a global, decentralized financial system, thus further validating it as a store of value, reliable payment network, and medium of exchange.
99  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses Tech review on: August 14, 2020, 01:05:10 PM
one more for now.  I am removing the not claimed SPENT blocks layer (since not interesting to CSW since no $ left  Wink) and zooming down to max 3,000 Extra Nonce level to help see the claimed and unclaimed unspent patterns across the bulk of this claim:


100  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses Tech review on: August 14, 2020, 12:40:41 PM
Here is my first attempt to plot CSW claimed addresses.  The first chart is near useless because at the extra nonce for the claimed address blocks go intro the stratosphere but I am including it for context.
I think the legend is self explanatory.  The intent was to show the Extra Nonce values for ALL blocks from 0 to 76,000 broken down by color/shape:
The CSW claimed blocks are color coded as either unspent, spent or not his because the block was part of the 145 addressed used to the sign the 'Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud' message.
what was NOT claimed are shown as either shown as unspent or spent.



Setting the chart's Extra Nonce to a max of 7,000 allows more insight I think:



Any questions, comments or graph requests?
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