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It is just the all out 'jackassholessnesss" of the receiver of the 512 that is captured in the log that deserves some
backlash. Yes, the sender screwed up and technically, those bitcoins are gone because of his mistake and the nature of bitcoin, but the log captures the receiver admitting and taunting the sender.
If you go to a store and by something and the guy actually gives you back the wrong change... this has happened to me a few times... one time I kept it not knowing, till later, one time I gave it back because I know the store owner and immediately realized and he was a nice guy and I couldn't feel right about taking it.... it's a completely another thing if I gave the store owner a $10, he gave me change thinking it was $100, but then realized right there, and I not only refused to give it back, but I taunted him, and the whole thing was documented on tape.
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You could always just go old school and just go to his house and kick his ass. Of course then he'll call the police on you but
at least you'll feel satisfaction. Release his full info out into the bitcoin community and oh woe the retaliation. He will be wishing he sent the bitcoins back.
Karma is a beotch.
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Well that was fast.
And another one bites the dust.
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Right but there are people who read an article or something or for whatever reason they want a bitcoin right now and they
then see how ridiculous it is to get one..... exchanges... bank accounts... exchanges between exchanges... and don't want to deal with any of that so they go on ebay, and they will pay twice the amount or more to have it fast, if they even have an idea what the amount is worth.
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This is an interesting situation.
I think, if you dragged this into a small claims court, and know the real name and address of the guy, you could probably get the judge to rule on your side since the Davis character clearly admits to getting the coins and his "ha screw you you sent me too many" attitude confirms he got the wrong amount and is laughing at the sender. If the log could be proven to be true and not manipulated or edited that is... and how would you prove that?
You could argue all of the bitcoin philosophy up, down, and sideways as Geebus was doing, but a judge is not going to understand nor listen to such philosophy in a small claims court and if the log can be proven somehow to be valid - that is that it is archived somewhere and time stamped and can be checked as legally valid - I think a small claims court would read it and side in favor of the plaintiff simply on the basis of the log alone.
Now if it were a huge amount and it turned into a serious case with lawyers - then, yeah, you might be screwed, but this would never get that far.
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Governments can't seize your bitcoin. You can hide it on a flashdrive or you can just turn your wallet.dat into some pattern on clothing to hide it.
Governments can't seize your gold either, if you aren't a complete moron... Not that there's any chance of gold being confiscated anyway. Governments can and have seized gold. As a matter of fact that's exactly what they did to get to the state we are at now. It was demanded all gold be turned in way back in 1933, two years after Wilson fucked the U.S. by allowing the Fed in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102There's a bunch of bullshit history and back and forth stuff but the Dollar was fully disconnected from gold in 1971 and is now not even money, it is only currency created by banks as debt. There in fact is no money in legal existence in the world right now - in the classical sense of the definition of money. |
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Exactly...
What sucks is that there are people who want to REALLY buy bitcoins who are not fraudsters and willing to pay a premium but they can't because the fraudsters outbid or use the buy it now... I went as high as $27 buy it now for one BTC book including a bonus btc and again, the phrase was not sent so I never sent the BTC... it starts making my perfect feedback account look shitty.
We need some alternative to sell btc to newbs easily over the net.
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I don't know. I can see google turning on him very easy. How is he confirming the cards are not stolen?
I sold a bunch of bitcoins on ebay at premium prices and HALF or more were scammers.... once the chargeback onslaught begins google will just slam dunk him.
Not that I wish this on him. I find it hard to believe that google said it will absorb the chargeback...
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I can confirm exchB rocks. It's the closest thing to having one of these ATMs. I have deposited and had my bitcoins within an hour's time. That is currently impossible with any other exchange.
I hope they expand and keep it up and the bank doesn't shut them down and I hope to see this ATM idea expand. This is what bitcoin needs.
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Hmm, so I assume selling physical goods that include bitcoins can just as easily be charged back?
Example: On eBay many sellers have 1 BTC for sale but also includes a physical plastic coin or whatever.
Would an agreement contact right before the final sale be illegal to use when a buyer tried to have a chargeback?
Example: You are agreeing to purchase digital goods that have value as a "online" currency but are also known to flucuate.
By agreeing you are acknowledging this fact and will not be allowed to chargeback your purchase for a reason this reason alone.
(Obviously it would be more detailed and in depth than this but I'm just giving an example.)
Almost everyone trying to sell bitcoin is ebay is gettig scammed and charged back... it's nearly impossible to sell safely to real people who want to buy.. see my thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40048.msg500011I came up with a bitcoin book that came with either 1, 2 or 3 bitcoins as a bonus, the book explained the basics, how to setup your wallet, and get your address, and came with a unique page 1 that was diffrent for everyone with a phrase, i wouldn't send the btc until after they got the registered book and sent the phrase ALL the buys were scammers and hacked accounts or pretending to be scammers, no one sent me the phrase. Paypal sided with the buyer EVEN though I had signature delivery conf. |
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Yes I knew of the coin counting - but this branching out to feeless shopping on the net is entirely new and useful to regular peeps who don't want to get jacked on those prepaid visas - this will but a hurt into that market, and what bitcoin is supposed to be able to do. Some of their marketing is even similar to the bitcoin slogans.
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They still charged back - the buyer said she just signed for it but never ordered the book and would gladly return it.......
Now, I didn't send the coins, so i was ok... the first page of the book is a print out with a unique
phrase... that phrase was never e-mailed to me - so i assume she was telling the truth....
the person who ordered mailed me a wallet address,and I said the coins would be sent went they sent the confirmation phrase.... which never came, and then a charge back came...
protected me from losing coins but still a pain in my ass.....
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http://www.coinstar.com/usecashonlineI guess the market here is people with NO bank accounts or debt cards at all (which is becoming bigger and bigger as people go broke) you put cash into the machine and you can now buy stuff online with no fees This is WHAT BITCOIN NEEDS to be doing. This company partnered with retailers I don't think you can send person to person, if you can, then they have it, this kills bitcoin because this simplicity is what normal people need who want to actually buy stuff. Someone needs to make this for bitcoin... or it's doomed.
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Ok, I admit it. I've been a freemason for 22 years. My brothers alerted me of this thread, and I have come with the full intention of helping to implement the grand plan.  [Edit] You do know of the Grand Plan don't you? No? Oh. Shame. It's called the "Great Plan" dummy. It's actually called "The Great Work" dummier. It's actually called "The Great Hoax", still dummier. What's the hoax, oh dumber than dumbest? The Great Work, Great Plan, Plan of the Ages, etc. It's a fucking Hoax to create a one-world government, and nothing more. A BIG FUCKING HOAX on Humanity, and the lower degree Freemasons are such stupid PAWNS they are helping the blind masses of Lemmings right along. People such as yourself, in all likelihood. I am myself am not a mason, but I have friends who are and I have done my share of understanding what it is based on (good original intentions based on lofty spiritual ideas) that I believe have been infiltrated. If you know so much about this than why didn't you call it as it is named. Yes, you are correct, at the highest levels this is what appears to be going on at least from all the research and evidence I have been able to ascertain. I am not for this at all, and if you look at my website you will see sections on financial awareness, spiritual awareness, and health awareness that help people be more aware and not sheeple. However, you can't call free masons evil just like you can't call any one group of anything evil. I think, like many secret orders that tried to teach hermetic and ancient traditions through gnosis , the highest levels were infiltrated and since the order is so compartmentalized and secret, the sincere good free masons would have no idea and consider all negative talk about their organization an attack, and from their perspective, they would be correct. We all view the world from our projection of it. Basically all entities polarize at some point into believing we are all one and connected, or separate and I better look out for only me - survival of the fittest. There is a third camp that does believe we are all one, but that that one must be controlled through power an might alone - hence he sees the other selves as being weaker and needed to be enslaved or controlled, along the lines of demonology hierarchic rule. The world is currently being run by the negative second camp who believes they are absolutely correct and just in what they are doing and that if they weren't they wouldn't be at the top of the pyramid - but the world is waking up and hierarchic structures times and darkness are coming to an end. The individual must awaken though.... no shouting, fighting, trolling, insults... attacks.. are going to do anything but fuel the weakest most trivial parts of your being. "Ideal society arises ONLY from the individual, who may inspire by example but must be immune to the uninspired, and be willing to suffer the consequences of his determination to the very end." |
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When I got into bitcoin prices were where they are now, and difficulty level was 1,500,000 less than it is now. So at that time, mining made sense.
Right now, mining and investing in mining hardware really doesnt make much sense. Buying bitcoins right now is a much better investment, IMO.
Why would anyone want bitcoins? The point of mining is to get dollars, not bitcoins. And how does one get these dollars from mining bitcoins? Selling to people who don't mine - so if you can't answer your own question, "Why would anyone want bitcoins?" then no one would pay real cash for them, and no one would bother mining them - so there needs to be real uses for them that someone is willing to convert their dollars into them for some reason, and there are currently only a few reasons as I stated in my above post. You are being silly if you look at bitcoin from only a mining perspective because you shoot yourself in the foot if there are no real practical easy reasons for someone who is NOT technical to want bitcoins and be able to obtain them easily without being an internet computer nut of the deepest degree. People use fiat money because they are just trained to do so. How many people actually understand the monetary system? Very very very few. Finally more awareness is coming out, but the Fed had the wool over people's eyes for almost 100 years now. |
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Ok, I admit it. I've been a freemason for 22 years. My brothers alerted me of this thread, and I have come with the full intention of helping to implement the grand plan. [Edit] You do know of the Grand Plan don't you? No? Oh. Shame. It's called the "Great Plan" dummy. It's actually called "The Great Work" dummier. It's actually called "The Great Hoax", still dummier. What's the hoax, oh dumber than dumbest? |
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Ok, I admit it. I've been a freemason for 22 years. My brothers alerted me of this thread, and I have come with the full intention of helping to implement the grand plan. [Edit] You do know of the Grand Plan don't you? No? Oh. Shame. It's called the "Great Plan" dummy. It's actually called "The Great Work" dummier. |
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From the judgement of the users on this forum it should probably be in some Amish town in Indiana.
YES! On a Tuesday and Wednesday in Shipshewana: http://www.tradingplaceamerica.com/ I'm tellin' you, Amos. Bitcoin gonna to increase our fireplace sales three fold. I don't have enough invested in bitcoin to justify flying off to somewhere else at this point, but if another conference is held in NYC I will offer my film / live streaming production services for both pc / mac video and shoutcast radio and android and iphone apps. If the location is other than NYC and some donations can be raised to get me and my equipment to the destination, that's also a possibility. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39874.msg486378#msg486378I nominate Blackout to handle all the video production for the next Bitcoin conveference, if held in the US, with the organizers, and whoever also wishes to, collectively pay all his expenses. I'll pledge/donate at least $100 (or BTC equivalent at close to time of BTCLV2012 [just made that up] date) to get the ball rolling. Or we can put it in escrow till the time comes. 29,28,27,26...Just counting down the seconds till his truly jumps on this thread and states he'll hold the money. Seriously, I believe Blackout would be a great asset for the next conference. Opinions! Blackout, you game? Thanks for the kind words. I definitely would be game as long as I don't have any shooting conflicts with other projects... as a date / location firms up I'll be able to give a definite answer. Loved the Amish subtext. Lol. |
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Holy shit, either I just had an epiphany, or I didn't and thought I did.
What about bitcoins AS products? Like the guy who is making tangible bitcoins that are equal in value to a bitcoin. What if you made 'cute,' 'fun,' and 'functional' products that have a digital retrieval code built into them?
Here's what happens. The people buy the product because they like the product. But, the product also contains bitcoins that can be retrieved and cashed out or traded. It'd probably have to be some cheap novelty item or toy...like a beanie baby! Or something like it. Holiday cards perhaps? Birthday cards? The whole idea is to get the consumer to pay a price that isn't too far off from the Bitcoin value without thinking they overpaid for their product. This way, they feel as if they get their 'product' at a significantly reduced rate and then can get their money back, but ONLY by using BTC.
Example: Consumer pays $5 for holiday/birthday card or toy. Card or toy has $3 BTC retrieval value. The hard part would be finding products people want that can be developed cheaply without severely overcharging the consumer for the product and so the product maker doesn't actually lose money developing and selling the item.
I tried doing something like this with selling a book as the beginners guide to bitcoins - money of the future. It was a physical tangble book and each one had a unique code that included your first bitcoin It was still 60 fraudsters that bid and ebay/paypal sided with the buyer so the most I could get back was the card, not the bitcoin even though I had confirmation of delivery. This shows me that a lot of the people frauding on ebay in fact don't have their account hacked, but know more about bitcoin then you think. |
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