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81  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin High Performance on: July 18, 2013, 10:40:16 AM
yeah I do understand logs really well....

the fact is you just snagged one with what 6K pps?

Ok, then...without factoring in miner optimization, you should be pulling down 1/900th of what you were. Factoring in those optimizations, you're still looking at 1/90th of what you were. Math. I am really bad at it, but it's pretty obvious in this case.
82  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin High Performance on: July 18, 2013, 10:38:44 AM
yeah I do understand logs really well....

the fact is you just snagged one with what 6K pps?

With about fifteen minutes of running it. Not sure when it was actually found. The point is that blocks are not being snatched up by some evil hobgoblin atop a pile of prime numbers.
83  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin High Performance on: July 18, 2013, 10:36:08 AM
Don't say that, now maybe they won't give up and leave all the blocks to us! Tongue

-MarkM-


I mean...yeah...this build is broken. I ran it on my PC and got herpes.
84  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin High Performance on: July 18, 2013, 10:35:40 AM
I`ve found only 8 blocks total. (using hp2 and hp3) And now for 30 hours of mining no block.... (using hp4) Sad

im doing 26 k pps on hp4 and 11K on hp2, no block for at least 12 hrs...

before that blocks every few hours


some one or something is getting it all now...!

I suspect a closed better algo, or gpu's or even fpga's

Dude, you don't understand variance, and the fact that difficulty is 900 times harder now, if the difficulty scale is log 30.
85  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin High Performance on: July 18, 2013, 10:34:13 AM
Upgraded to HP4 from some cobbled together mess of optimizations I was running on 10 DO micro instances. Been humming for about 15 minutes now, maybe 5000pps (~500 per 512mb instance) and I already snagged a block...but a measly 12.41 reward? I pine for the days of 22 xpm rewards!  Tongue Wish I would have been running this beast day one!
86  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 18, 2013, 10:27:26 AM
I really do wish there was some way to see the PPS of the entire network, or at least the number of nodes. I bet we'd all be blown away by the numbers.
87  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] [FASTER!] Mining PrimeCoin using DigitalOcean (VPS) on: July 18, 2013, 07:22:54 AM
I thought you guys might find this interesting...

I was chatting with the support people from Digital Ocean, and apparently our heavy CPU utilization hasn't even been an issue, it's been the sheer volume of abusive signups that really screwed them. From the sound of it, someone botted up. I suspect that all sorts of people were just fleecing the shit out of that promo. Shame on whomever is responsible for that garbage. Yeah, they should have staged their promo differently, but I doubt they even had time to react before the damage was well underway.

I have no fucking clue how to use a VPS outside of what I did setting up these miners, but I'll let these bastards sit idle for few months to do the little I can to help a business that has been chill as fuck with me. I say it not to pat myself on the back, but because I am fucking embarrassed that a group I am part of would house such nutsacks, and I feel their asshattery reflects poorly on me and the good people of the majority.

Profit-whoring has and will continue to be the single greatest threat to cryptocurrency. It's a bummer that a few scumbags manage to draw the picture that no one has any fucking ethics or ideals at all.
88  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 17, 2013, 11:08:04 PM
In my opinion XPM is still too high, it is like PPC - in November 16, 2012 it jumped from zero to 0.0005 and than fell down to 0.00005

XPM has already had much more media coverage than PPC ever had...


Yes, but there is zero market for it (or any alt coin), so they should all be much much closer to zero.  The fact that XPM is nearing 1$ is complete hype.

Are you just running around with your eyes closed and your ears plugged? "Should be" a particular price? You don't get economics, do you? If people are paying it, then it is at the right price. That is how it works.

It's obviously got at least a few tens of thousands of people comprising a market for it...that's pretty good for a week. The fact that bitcoin ever hit $10 is complete hype. I can literally do NOTHING with btc that I can't do through central banking at this point in time. See how useless your statement is?
89  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 17, 2013, 03:14:38 AM
RandyFolds: Why must you constantly paint me as some conspiracy theorist, dose this allow you to reject what I am saying more easily?  I have not once accused anyone of a conspiracy, though you as starting to sound like a fan-boy trying to shout-down anything which is not abject praise for SK, hardly a conspiracy but pathological none the less.  I am just providing a critic and advise for anyone who may wish to try a new hash algorithm in the future.  Likewise you are still utterly ignorant as to the obviousness of optimization and any programmer will tell you so, stop presenting your personal incredulity as a refutation of my informed assessments.

Your 'critic' (critique) and 'advise' (advice) amount to telling people to predict the future. Really, really useful, champ. Your informed assessment is deluded and confused. You don't know what you are talking about. A stream of people seem to agree.
90  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 17, 2013, 01:42:24 AM
If the initial code had been properly optimized then starting difficulty could have been nearly 9 and we wouldn't be seeing such a short block time.  This is a lesson, if your going to release a new algorithm for CPU mining, optimize the CPU code or else you've get quasi-ASIC like behavior in which hash rates explode and the coins may end up monopolized by people who have access to the high potency mining ability even if this is by software rather then hardware.

Starting difficulty would have still been where Sunny set it, 7. I don't know what the distribution looks like, but I am still finding blocks on 5 micro instances and a laptop running while I am sleeping. If difficulty adjustments took two weeks, I would agree with you, but it's dynamic.

If his starting difficulty was in any way chosen to reflect the mining rate of some target number of PCs (the method Satoshi used) then optimized code would certainly have lead him to choose a higher difficulty, do you think 7 was just a number he pulled out of his ass with no regard to the target block time?

So not only does he have to code and promote the coin, now he has to divine the future? I imagine that he set it where it to wouldn't be jammed up with orphan chains initially when utilizing CPU mining and then allowed it to self regulate. There is no way to predict adoption or hashing power or optimization. You are just some tool upset about the first WEEK of mining. Entitlement is an ugly thing. Didn't get enough of those 200k coins, or what?

Fuckin' a...some people will bitch about anything.

Oh get off it you twit, I'm pointing out how Sunny King could have had a better initial release that meet HIS goals.  From what I've read on the optimization threads the original client was doing really obviously un-optimized stuff like calling malloc repeatedly which any first year programmer knows is a performance killer.  Optimization CAN be predicted and the factor of 100x we have seen so far would be considered quite easy and 'low hanging fruit' to most programmers.

SK was clearly trying to avoid overly fast blocks per his own pre-release thread that advertised "Reasonably high starting difficulty to limit instamining" but that effort was defeated by lack of optimization to the mining code under which the initial difficulty was chosen.  Its a lesson anyone working on a new hash algorithm in the future should take to heart, it is meant as a constructive postmortem of this coins release.

Your statements are simply knee-jerk defensiveness and seem to be ignorant of SK stated intentions as well, I assure you he is capable of taking constructive criticism and learning from mistakes, I recommend you do likewise.

Your claim that optimization is predictable are dubious, to say the least, and is a pretty moot point in the grand scheme of things. Big picture, my man. Does it matter now? Anyone who wants to can still get their piece of the pie. This was much less of an instagrab clusterfuck that most altcoin launches I've observed. Still doesn't address that there is absolutely no way to predict adoption. Maybe Sunny wasn't expecting tens of thousands of people to jump on board and open dozens of VPS instances. If people stuck to their physical equipment, and even their botnets, we'd probably have seen much less downward pressure on blocktime. Hell, maybe he has never messed with miners before and focused his creative efforts on the important foundation, knowing full well that the community would continue yielding optimizations even if he spent years dialing in his miner. Bitcointalk is full of brilliant people. It never ceases to amaze me. I am sure others are as confident as I am in the skills and fortitude of the crypto community.

I just really don't get your original point. "Hey Sunny! Things would be different if you had done things differently, Let me point some mining fundamentals for you; a higher starting difficulty would have slowed down blocktimes." Pretty sure he's hip to it, just underestimated things. You somehow imply he lobbed the miner over the plate, and fucked up. I am pretty sure there was no insane moneygrab. I am still getting blocks on 5 micro DO instances and my laptop. I think you are just inventing conspiracy theories about robber barons taking your blocks. Variance, son!
91  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] [FASTER!] Mining PrimeCoin using DigitalOcean (VPS) on: July 16, 2013, 04:19:29 AM
How do i replace the ancient version with the new one, without delete/recreate my droplet? And keeping the same wallet


I replace it.  Here, lete me help you out some on linux.  I move the old files out and then create a new section.

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primecoind stop
cd ~
mv primecoin old4
git clone https://github.com/mikaelh2/primecoin

cd ~/primecoin/src
make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=-
mkdir ~/.primecoin
echo "rpcuser=miner2
rpcpassword=test2
gen=1" > ~/.primecoin/primecoin.conf
sudo mv primecoind /usr/local/bin/.

primecoind --daemon



I don't understand. When I try to git the source, I get this:

Cloning into 'primecoin'...
error: The requested URL returned error: 502 Bad Gateway while accessing https://github.com/mikaelh2/primecoin/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack
fatal: HTTP request failed

Any recommendations?
github disable mikaelh's git. Try this: https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/mikaelh2-primecoin.git

well thats fked. "excessive use of resources", lol

Swap file!
92  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 16, 2013, 04:18:11 AM
If the initial code had been properly optimized then starting difficulty could have been nearly 9 and we wouldn't be seeing such a short block time.  This is a lesson, if your going to release a new algorithm for CPU mining, optimize the CPU code or else you've get quasi-ASIC like behavior in which hash rates explode and the coins may end up monopolized by people who have access to the high potency mining ability even if this is by software rather then hardware.

Starting difficulty would have still been where Sunny set it, 7. I don't know what the distribution looks like, but I am still finding blocks on 5 micro instances and a laptop running while I am sleeping. If difficulty adjustments took two weeks, I would agree with you, but it's dynamic.

If his starting difficulty was in any way chosen to reflect the mining rate of some target number of PCs (the method Satoshi used) then optimized code would certainly have lead him to choose a higher difficulty, do you think 7 was just a number he pulled out of his ass with no regard to the target block time?

So not only does he have to code and promote the coin, now he has to divine the future? I imagine that he set it where it to wouldn't be jammed up with orphan chains initially when utilizing CPU mining and then allowed it to self regulate. There is no way to predict adoption or hashing power or optimization. You are just some tool upset about the first WEEK of mining. Entitlement is an ugly thing. Didn't get enough of those 200k coins, or what?

Fuckin' a...some people will bitch about anything.
93  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM] [ANN] Primecoin Release - First Scientific Computing Cryptocurrency on: July 15, 2013, 10:11:33 PM
If the initial code had been properly optimized then starting difficulty could have been nearly 9 and we wouldn't be seeing such a short block time.  This is a lesson, if your going to release a new algorithm for CPU mining, optimize the CPU code or else you've get quasi-ASIC like behavior in which hash rates explode and the coins may end up monopolized by people who have access to the high potency mining ability even if this is by software rather then hardware.

Starting difficulty would have still been where Sunny set it, 7. I don't know what the distribution looks like, but I am still finding blocks on 5 micro instances and a laptop running while I am sleeping. If difficulty adjustments took two weeks, I would agree with you, but it's dynamic.
94  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] [FASTER!] Mining PrimeCoin using DigitalOcean (VPS) on: July 13, 2013, 06:00:52 AM
sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=64M count=16

this just gives a blank screen?


How long are you waiting? It seemed to take a while to generate the swap file.
95  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] Primecoin Record Books on: July 12, 2013, 10:17:39 PM
We found our first length-10 chain at block 17937, type 1CC0a, 86 digits. Then we bested it at Block 21362, 96 digits.

World record is 99 digits, but both of these chains are good enough to knock out the existing 2nd and 3rd place chains on the books:

Code:
CC10, 1st kind:
---------------
1324846487162*223#-1, 99 digits, 05/09, Augustin(NewPGen/PFGW)
3462418*151#+5286829397849, 66 digits, 05/04, Alm/Andersen(Primo)
9440733252109*127#-1, 62 digits, 11/08, Augustin(NewPGen/PFGW)

Now that...that is friggin' rad.
96  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] [FASTER!] Mining PrimeCoin using DigitalOcean (VPS) on: July 12, 2013, 08:59:33 PM
Just FYI the mods of the forum have been notified of this and will be passing your email address and list of your login IP addresses to digital ocean.  I suggest you go hide in a corner somewhere for a while.

Pahahaha! Don't kid yourself with the notion that Bitcointalk mods proactively doing ANYTHING proactive to prevent the rampant fraud and abuse in the community here, let alone doing it for some other website.
97  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Announcing New Coin!!! The Trillion Dollar Tyranny Coin!!! Most Valuable Coin!! on: July 12, 2013, 10:51:39 AM
I just figure that as long as our glorious leader doesn't go out in a pile of cocaine scarface-style, we're good. It would never happen, anyways, because supreme and powerful chancellor mckmuze is too big to fail.

I'm all in. Let's ride this to the top! (Cues the song from the fight scene in Karate Kid) Down with Cobra Dojo!

edit: I mean, I obviously had to listen to it after typing that. I'll save you the trouble: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oomCIXGzsR0.
98  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] [FASTER!] Mining PrimeCoin using DigitalOcean (VPS) on: July 12, 2013, 06:39:13 AM
it gets better
now when I log in

Quote
Account Locked by DigitalOcean Staff
We are sorry to inform you that your account has been locked by DigitalOcean Staff. None of your virtual servers have been destroyed.
We have opened a support ticket with you regarding the cause of this lock.
Please navigate to the Support Page to resolve the issue that has caused your account to be locked.
Thank you,
DigitalOcean Staff

this lot look dodgey as alll

I mean they have my credit car details.....and want facebook, blogs etc etc wow





They want you to prove you are human as they've seen a monstrous influx of high-usage traffic over the past few days. Not all that dodgy. Just tell them you don't have any of those things. They seriously JUST want to ensure you're human.
99  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Announcing New Coin!!! The Trillion Dollar Tyranny Coin!!! Most Valuable Coin!! on: July 12, 2013, 06:36:41 AM
This is what you consider humorous...?  Must be an inside joke with yourself or something

My name is iGotSpots, and I don't understand satire or allusion.
100  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Announcing New Coin!!! The Trillion Dollar Tyranny Coin!!! Most Valuable Coin!! on: July 12, 2013, 06:15:59 AM
Now that club sounds exclusive. I'll take fifty.
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