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81  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 12, 2014, 08:54:59 PM
Hi asicspace,
I'm from europe so it's quite a hassle for me to organize miners, suitable psu's and probably accesories etc to be shipped to your place. Do you plan to offer all-inclusive packs, which contain one unit of a popular
miner model and, say, 12 months electricity? After that, the customer can decide to have it shipped
home, put to garbage etc. That would be really interesting for me.

I'm not quite sure what you're asking - but I'm interested.

Have you considered purchasing a miner like the antminer s4 which has a PSU included and shipping it directly to our facility?
82  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 11, 2014, 06:53:51 PM
Hey, I climbed up a ladder and took this pic. Nice angle, eh?

83  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: ★★★★ [ANN] ASICSPACE: Bitcoin Miner Hosting: $80-95/kw/month ★★★★ on: December 11, 2014, 12:32:12 AM
New Picture:

84  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 10, 2014, 11:52:17 PM
No raised flooring? cold air from above?  

Do vents all line the exterior walls?  Just judging from the garage door, is the cold air entering from ~15-20 ft.?

are you doing hot aisle/cold aisle?

Was this building custom built?

or re-purposed with warehouse racks?

The high ceiling are nice, assuming the cooling intake is all the way up on the ceiling.

We are doing hot/cold aisle. Our engineers assure us the high ceilings and concrete will do a lot of the work dissapating the heat for us.

so I assume then the venting on the side is an attempt to use force airflow for cooling.  Each pass over a hot aisle will dilute the cooling to the center most rows.  In essence you'll be fighting thermal dynamics and having to over cool (and waste much more energy) attempting to reduce hot spots in the center.  Higher hardware failures and reduced performance (some hardware will under-clock itself to reduce temp) in the center of the center aisle (or other areas, depending on how the forced flow venting is positioned).  While concrete does have decent thermal conductivity, unless the air you are pumping is warmer than the external temperature, it will actually warm the air coming from the wall adjacent venting (see 4th photo on your initial post). Essentially your venting will be cooling the wall first, then the equipment. Furthermore, the first hot aisle will create thermal turbulence in cooling airflow, thus giving inconsistent results to your cooling attempts.  This is why most data centers have moved toward something like what's in this simple image:



now I'm not trying to troll or dig on you, more so trying to give potential improvements, but this would be an issue better dealt with prior to having hardware on the racks which will only create migration complexity in the future.  The user experience to watch out for, if this is the going forward scenario, is constant complaints of "I have 4 identical units with 1 (located in a possible hot spot) that consistently under performs."

Also, another consideration, when in a heterogeneous hardware situation (I assume you'll be hosting many different brands) and user controlled overclocking your thermal zones will be in constant flux.  I just feel concern that this will create the dreaded whack-a-hot-spot situation many early data centers  experienced.  Without a view of your actual cooling plan, I can only go by what I see in the photo.

Take some pictures of the Cooling planned.  Grin

I too would love to see these.

Edit: Great resource if your looking to leverage some free advise  http://hightech.lbl.gov/datacenters.html

Wow I'm surprised, you have nailed some of the issues our engineers were scratching their heads over. We have a solution, wait until cooling is fully built and I'll post some pics.

Hi Endlessa,

I ran your thoughts by our top engineer and wanted to share with you the following response:

Your thoughts here are all valid, and indeed, likely correct or improvements.  In fact, there's nothing I would even disagree with or argue against, and most of these are things that I myself have considered and either brought up or opted to deliberately not mention.  There are a couple of mitigating factors that you may not be aware of:

#1 - The exhaust is all very high up, about 70 feet with a colossal amount of total cubic feet to distribute heat.  As you no doubt know, heat rises, such that even in short distances the ambient temperature difference between floor and ceiling can be high.  This will strongly work in our favor by causing a large pressure differental between the heat exhausts and the cool intakes(down low) even without fans.  The question will be how much, and that is what we are going to find out; it is very difficult to calculate with all the added variables.

#2 - Hot spots.  We actually have a *lot* of control over the power and heat density of our equipment.  We can respond to hot spots not only by adjusting cooling, but also by adjusting miner's physical locations and/or densities, something datacenters cannot do.

#3 - We are specifically not doing things that datacenters do for a lot of reasons.  While it is easy to look at this situation and come up with improvements to efficiency, much more difficult is pricing out the total cost of various options, including labor, later adjustments, failure rates and scenarios, and regulations(Raised floors aren't actually cheap, especially not if built per code), and making the right decision.  That isn't to say that your ideas are wrong, or that our process is the best.  There are just a lot of things that go into the conclusions.  Every large scale Bitcoin mine I am familiar with(many) has been built for far less than even cheap datacenters, even after accounting for inefficiencies and later improvements needed.

Drastically changing our approach so late would cause us to not launch on our promised deadlines for our numerous signed customers.  Ultimately though, it doesn't matter.  We won't be forced to- we are working with an industry expert with a very large amount of industry cooling experience across lots of industrial and commercial setups, including datacenters.  Our agreements are such that they are on the hook- REALLY on the hook, not just some legal we'll-sue-you crap- for any inadequacies of the cooling.  With no upper limit on the cost- if they found that a raised floor was necessary, they'd be on the hook for it.  Conversely, they made the design decisions regarding this after carefully evaluating the costs.  I've reviewed their design carefully(With your same thoughts in mind) and confirmed that any cooling inadequacies that occur can be fixed by scaling and building a few cost-effective components.  We are intentionally launching in the dead of winter which will give us ample time to experiment and improve before peak temperatures arrive.  We already have improvements planned and specific measurements that will tell us which improvements we need.  We also have some climate advantages with our particular setup specifics that work in our favor.

tl;dr: I agree with your thoughts, but it isn't necessary as others are on the hook to ensure temps are appropriate, and plans are in place.
85  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 10, 2014, 05:06:29 AM
Please tell me you have looked into insurance, just incase, if so was it hard to get insurance?
Your putting alot of hard work and money into his and i wouldn't want to see it go up in smoke like the mining facility in Thailand.
These guys had NO insurance!
http://www.coindesk.com/gallery-fire-destroys-thai-bitcoin-mining-facility/

Yes we have coverage for fire, theft, and electric surges for the full market value of all our customer's equipment in the data center. We're insured through Farmers.
86  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 10, 2014, 04:16:14 AM
No raised flooring? cold air from above?  

Do vents all line the exterior walls?  Just judging from the garage door, is the cold air entering from ~15-20 ft.?

are you doing hot aisle/cold aisle?

Was this building custom built?

or re-purposed with warehouse racks?

The high ceiling are nice, assuming the cooling intake is all the way up on the ceiling.

We are doing hot/cold aisle. Our engineers assure us the high ceilings and concrete will do a lot of the work dissapating the heat for us.

so I assume then the venting on the side is an attempt to use force airflow for cooling.  Each pass over a hot aisle will dilute the cooling to the center most rows.  In essence you'll be fighting thermal dynamics and having to over cool (and waste much more energy) attempting to reduce hot spots in the center.  Higher hardware failures and reduced performance (some hardware will under-clock itself to reduce temp) in the center of the center aisle (or other areas, depending on how the forced flow venting is positioned).  While concrete does have decent thermal conductivity, unless the air you are pumping is warmer than the external temperature, it will actually warm the air coming from the wall adjacent venting (see 4th photo on your initial post). Essentially your venting will be cooling the wall first, then the equipment. Furthermore, the first hot aisle will create thermal turbulence in cooling airflow, thus giving inconsistent results to your cooling attempts.  This is why most data centers have moved toward something like what's in this simple image:



now I'm not trying to troll or dig on you, more so trying to give potential improvements, but this would be an issue better dealt with prior to having hardware on the racks which will only create migration complexity in the future.  The user experience to watch out for, if this is the going forward scenario, is constant complaints of "I have 4 identical units with 1 (located in a possible hot spot) that consistently under performs."

Also, another consideration, when in a heterogeneous hardware situation (I assume you'll be hosting many different brands) and user controlled overclocking your thermal zones will be in constant flux.  I just feel concern that this will create the dreaded whack-a-hot-spot situation many early data centers  experienced.  Without a view of your actual cooling plan, I can only go by what I see in the photo.

Take some pictures of the Cooling planned.  Grin

I too would love to see these.

Edit: Great resource if your looking to leverage some free advise  http://hightech.lbl.gov/datacenters.html

Wow I'm surprised, you have nailed some of the issues our engineers were scratching their heads over. We have a solution, wait until cooling is fully built and I'll post some pics.
87  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: ★★★★ [ANN] ASICSPACE: Bitcoin Miner Hosting: $80-95/kw/month ★★★★ on: December 09, 2014, 03:55:09 AM
New Picture up. We powerwashed the shelving today. Time to put in circuits!

88  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 09, 2014, 03:51:56 AM
New Pic Up:



We power washed the shelves today. Time to put in circuits!
89  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: ★★★★ [ANN] ASICSPACE: Bitcoin Miner Hosting: $80-95/kw/month ★★★★ on: December 08, 2014, 08:41:47 PM
Hi All: we have new photos up of the data center here: http://www.asicspace.com/pictures-of-our-data-center/

What is your main power source ? Thermal, hydro, solar or something else ?

95% hydro, with a little bit of wind.
90  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitmain not offering hosting anymore for S4 on: December 08, 2014, 10:09:57 AM
You can have miners sent directly to our hosting facility.
91  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: ★★★★ [ANN] ASICSPACE: Bitcoin Miner Hosting: $80-95/kw/month ★★★★ on: December 08, 2014, 03:50:27 AM
Hi All: we have new photos up of the data center here: http://www.asicspace.com/pictures-of-our-data-center/
92  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 08, 2014, 03:34:23 AM
so 5 kwatt = 425 a month correct?

I am spending about 500 a month in house during the winter months to run 5 kwatts at home.

If i sent a pm could you quote rates for 20 30 and 40 kwatts?



Our prices depend on how far into the future you'd like to pay in advance, as well as your volume. Send me a PM.
93  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 08, 2014, 01:44:16 AM
Build Looks good!  I like all the concrete walls, no need for raised floors, whats your utility power coming in? 480v 3 phase 1200 amp? for instance?..

The Price seems fair too..

My Equipment is hosted in Chicago here (ultra low latency makes for great Hashing with my pool)

@ $84 per KW mo: http://coin-mining.mystarpoint.com/

Keep posting pictures.. Great seeing people invest, and I don't think we have to worry that much from the difficulty going up from one facility.. I like seeing people get
behind this.. !!!!

Thank!

We have power coming in at 480V 3 phase which we wire to 20A 208V outlets after the power passes through our transformer and panels.

Sounds great, but how many amps of 480VAC ?  Again build looks exciting.. Look forward to seeing it done.. what mining gear will you be running in house?

We have 5k amps of primary switchgear. Clearly we aren't fully using it right now.
94  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 08, 2014, 01:19:13 AM
Build Looks good!  I like all the concrete walls, no need for raised floors, whats your utility power coming in? 480v 3 phase 1200 amp? for instance?..

The Price seems fair too..

My Equipment is hosted in Chicago here (ultra low latency makes for great Hashing with my pool)

@ $84 per KW mo: http://coin-mining.mystarpoint.com/

Keep posting pictures.. Great seeing people invest, and I don't think we have to worry that much from the difficulty going up from one facility.. I like seeing people get
behind this.. !!!!

Thank!

We have power coming in at 480V 3 phase which we wire to 20A 208V outlets after the power passes through our transformer and panels.
95  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 08, 2014, 12:48:58 AM
No raised flooring? cold air from above?  

Do vents all line the exterior walls?  Just judging from the garage door, is the cold air entering from ~15-20 ft.?

are you doing hot aisle/cold aisle?

Was this building custom built?

or re-purposed with warehouse racks?

The high ceiling are nice, assuming the cooling intake is all the way up on the ceiling.

We are doing hot/cold aisle. Our engineers assure us the high ceilings and concrete will do a lot of the work dissapating the heat for us.
96  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 07, 2014, 06:59:46 PM
is this underground?

No. Lots of concrete in this building, very good for heat dissipation.
97  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 07, 2014, 04:45:31 AM

 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked wooow
a pleasure see this pic mate!!!

Im here for a quite only but im trying to find someone trustable to invest some bitcoins

Let me know if there have space for investors.


You build the datacenter under tier 2 certification?


if no tell wich is the strategy for prevent fire, dust etc etc.

about energy nothing to say 2c.... i london 14c nothing to do here


It's easy to prevent dust with filters.
We have CCTVs with fire detectors, as well as temperature and pressure sensors. Most importantly, everything is being done professionally and 100% to code.

In fact, we put on our blog our engineer's critique of the design of that mine in Thailand that burned down. Check it out here: http://www.asicspace.com/blog/thai-bitcoin-mine-analysis

We're not Tier 2 because we don't have a UPS/Generator. We do have two ISPs with dual redundancy built into every aspect of the networking. Our power grid is very stable as it's hydroelectric, and power outages are very rare in our area.

We do have a backup transformer in storage in case anything happens to our current transformer.

If you're interested in being a customer or investor, PM me.
98  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 07, 2014, 03:19:17 AM
Will you offer hosting?
 Where are you located? general a state or if not US what country not an exact address.
If you how what will you charge?
If you mine just for yourself what machines?

They have a website:
asicspace.com
price $80-95/kw/month with more undisclosed discount for >30kw customers.

Not as a criticism, but I don't get it why all WA hosting has the same price: roughly $85-100/kw/mo when their cost in electricity (2c/kwh) is just 16-20% of cost of electricity in US on average (12c/kwh). Their electricity cost is just $15-20/kw/mo vs $88 average in US.
Do they have some kind of a union there that prevents going lower?

It's the same reason you want your miner to be making more than it costs in electricity: you need that margin to cover the initial capital expense. In your case, it's the miner, in our case, it's an expensive data center meeting the needs of a speculative market.

Also, hosting in WA less than a year ago cost $200/kw/mo, then Hashplex came along and offered $100. I'm sure it's still headed downwards.
99  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pics of Large Bitcoin Mine Under Construction on: December 07, 2014, 01:45:45 AM
Hey guys, I thought I'd give y'all a sneak peak of the Bitcoin mine we're building.
I'm excited for when we'll open our doors January.

If you have any questions about the build let me know!

Looks good. How certain are you on the opening date? What if you are delayed?

We've been consistently ahead of schedule the entire build and are pushing hard.
Since it's winter there's less work for contractors so they're swarming to finish our site instead.
The last thing we have scheduled is inspection on the 29th of December.
100  Bitcoin / Mining / Pics of Huge Hosting Mine Under Construction, (Dec 2015 Update: We've moved) on: December 07, 2014, 01:21:06 AM
UPDATE 12/29/2015

The owner of the data center as shown in the pictures below was unable to cool the space in an efficient or timely manner and we therefore were forced to move.
Our new facility is in Quincy, WA.

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Hey guys, I thought I'd give y'all a sneak peak of the Bitcoin mine we're building.
I'm excited for when we'll open our doors for hosting your miners January.

If you have any questions about the build let me know!




















UPDATE 12/16/2015:


We have moved from the location seen in the above pictures. We moved because the owner of the facility as seen in the above pictures was not able to cooling for sufficient for good operation of mining equipment in a timely manner as he was contractually obligated to do.

We now currently are 50 miles away at a 1MW mine in Quincy, WA.
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