Who dares wins. Most of us here present made a decision to invest based on the excellence of the dev team and the innovative nature of Crypti. It is an extraordinary acheivement by the dev team which we backed because we are (most of us) cleverer than the majority.

I address the OCD amongst us when I urge you not to think about selling your Crypti for a month or so (I realise this is an eternity in cryptocurrency trading but hope you will hear me on this).

It will take perhaps 2 weeks for Crypti to impact global consciousness and for people on other exchanges to sit up and take notice. If you make investment decisions based on Crypti being (as yet) limited to BTER you will regret it if you lose your nerve. Dont give someone else your upside. When you make a decision stick to it (unless your decision was to go for your existing 30% profit which is cool).

Stand your ground (grow a pair) and you will make money and have fun.

Edit:

1. The Crypti IPO sold out within hours even though it was scheduled to last for a month.
2. By trading volume, even though it is such a new release that the wallets do not go live until tomorrow, it nonetheless has the 5th highest trading volume on BTER for its coin tokens.
3. The sine wave pattern, applying a Hilbert Transform, indicates major trending (up or down) is entirely possible. One must always be cautious because major trending is generally led by professional investors before then being followed by amateurs, but all in all, the signs look good for people who hold on to their coins for a month or more.
4. IPO investors have already made a 30% profit.

Disclaimer: I personally hold a non-trivial amount of Crypti tokens

BTER is intuitive. I find it easy to trade with. That being said, even though I am a long term investor I still think BTER could improve the means by which withdrawals can be made. At the moment, they only have EGOPAY as a withdrawal method. A direct link to one's PAYPAL account or bank account would be optimal. Perhaps they are working on this.

The dev team have identified themselves. Check the thread.

What is the difference between Crypti trading now taking place on BTER (that is to say, actual trading marked by higher volumes than Darkcoin and running at about 25% of NXT volumes) and the trading that will take place on 10 August 2014.

Is it the case that all current trading is limited to trading between existing IPO investors. Are third parties who are not IPO investors prevented from buying Crypti until the market opens on 10 August 2014.
 

Interesting differences of opinion. I think both views are correct (however paradoxical that may appear). This is because the only real distinguishing feature (between these viewpoints) is in fact the elapsed time from the point of open market launch (00.00 UTC on 10 August 2014).

Long term, this is a great investment. But short term, there must be more sellers than buyers (because we are the only people who own shares to sell and we may be reluctant to buy more coins at what is already a higher price).

I fully intend to grab some more coins if the price plummets to IPO levels. But I do not think it will. The price just seems to keep rising.

In summary, Buyers and Sellers alike should get what they want. Sellers with OCD will make a quick profit. Long term buyers with a little more patience should make money in the medium to long term. Its all about elapsed time from launch and the vagaries of human psychology.

No.

Arguments in favour of allowing early trading are as follows:

(1) Impatient and/or low attention span investors (or investors who could not afford to invest in the ipo and need their money back) should be encouraged to get out.

(2) Ridding the IPO of impatient investors will enable more rapid stabilisation of the market price and will allow the many investors who missed out on the IPO to gain a foothold.

Nevertheless, I vote no. Genesis investors knew the rules when they invested. They were put to their election and bought shares, knowing full well that the IPO shares/coins would not be publicly tradable until 10 August 2014.

I do not care whether or not impatient investors enjoy moving goalposts.

Let them wait until 10 August (by which point the devs and bter will be even better prepared for the launch of a potentially major global currency. The 'instant feedback' twitter/facebook generation could do worse than learn some patience (instead of limiting their education to learning increasingly bizarre methods of taking selfies). Make the non-sentient creatures wait. Its good for them to be deprived of instant gratification.

So I vote no...but shall willingly defer to the majority if most here present prefer to rid themselves now of the impatient so as to give new investors (who missed out on the IPO) a chance to buy shares.

You have done an amazing job so far. Devs are v busy now but the rest of the community is drumming its fingers waiting for 10 August (or as in my case, posting gormless ideas to entertain ourselves).

I already know it makes no sense as it stands. My hope is that one of the serious minds will make a working formula from the wreckage
Edit: If Vc = 'change in value' and uses BTC as units for value, that makes more sense provided dv becomes dp (change in price using units of satoshis).

How will Crypti behave in the first 60 minutes after the market opens?

Is a sharp rise likely from the opening bell (x 20 for example)? Might rises measurable in orders of magnitude be followed by stabilising events?

What value do you predict Crypti may acheive (in terms of the high watermark) in the first 60 minutes of trading?

It is possible to predict how the new currency will behave mathematically (using a formula of some sort)?

For example, can you populate  a rudimentary equation with meaningful variables or constants to predict the behaviour of a new cryptocurrency that has just been released onto the market?

If
Vc = Overall change in value of genesis shares from initial IPO presale price (units = satoshi)
dv = change in value of Crypti (units of satoshi)
dt = change in time (in units of seconds)

then

Vc = dv/dt

But surely there is more to it than saying that delta v/delta t = overall change in value. Maybe someone who knows their stuff could give us some pointers here.

Edit: The units make no sense at the moment
Edit: It would be elegant to have a formula that uses seconds and satoshi as SI units
Edit: The market cap of BTC would also enter into it
Edit: We would also need a term (theta) being a unitless fraction (a value between 0 and 1) to represent efficiencies linked to innovative features in the new currency which would be let us say 0.95 or more for this particular currency (as it is the state of the art in second gen currencies) and say 0.1 for BTC)
Edit: Variables for supply and demand analogous with Pressure(Pa) = Force(N)/area(m2) but instead have demand (BTC) = price (satoshi)/supply (100m) though mixing units just cannot be good. Too much time on my hands by far

Interesting idea about going to the 9th decimal instead of the 8th for the smallest unit.

However, (and I genuinely do not know the answer to this question).... what market perceptions might that create?

What he said.

Crypti is a good name

Crypton

I dig it. Means 'of that which is hidden' in Latin.

Flankliu most generously offered to make the domain available to the developers and the community. It is a matter of regret that he was unfairly criticised for his kindness and disturbing that the immense contribution China has made as a world leader (in finance, culture and innovation) was so crudely and xenophobically criticised by someone here present. I sincerely and contritely apologise to Flankliu...and hope the devs support his application to sit on the foundation as I most assuredly do. 

The ideas inverting hoarding mechanics are entirely novel (so far as I am aware) but there are a number of additional novelties that make the IPO interesting as well. This is why it became heavily oversubscribed and why it is no longer possible to buy genesis shares.

Well spotted Sam! You cant make this stuff up.

Changing topic slightly, I hope the devs and community will consider using the expression 'ex nihilo totem fit' as a motto. Just the right length (in terms of an inscription) to fit around the circumference of a coin motif, in about the same place where the pitch circle diameter of an impulse turbine might be found. Coin turbines.

You can probably tell we have too much time on our hands  

But we may as well have some fun waiting for the market to open. Boredom is the only real enemy.

Referencing some earlier posts, the intellectual superbeings in these here parts are not common or garden investors like me. I made basic mathematical errors when first calculating coin assignments. The creators of Crypti are the clever ones. Exceptionally brilliant people.

I am not smart but I am smart enough to know that they are smart.

That is entirely possible...perhaps even likely... accordingly there are good arguments for and against. Focusing for the moment on arguments in favour, the photonic aspect appeals to me having been fascinated by photons and their relationship with matter for some time. It is this relationship between matter and light (analogously between the substance of matter (Fiat currencies) and the inchoate nature of light (Cryptocurrencies) that interests me. One may convert the one into the other by means of a relationship not entirely dissimilar to Einsteins wonderfully simplifying equation...E=MC2. It is this relationship between thing on the one hand (Fiat currency) and 'no thing' on the other (Cryptocurrency), matter and light, that bears comparison arising from their interchangeability. Cryptocurrencies create real substance, real value and remarkable utility even though they arise from the 'nothingness' of mathematical abstraction (ex nihilo totem fit - from nothing everything comes). Add the fact that the exceptional ideas underpinning Crypti orbit the seismically important idea of a currency that incentivises the movement and flow of the currency (just as photons have to keep trucking or end up with zero mass) and it may be that the word is a candidate alternative for micro-crypti. But your points are well made and better candidate names may be only moments away.

Edit: Samsmith16 pointed out the photonic resemblance, not I

I agree. However, if Crypti is set (as it would appear) to become a major global currency, a counterargument is that people without a science background (for whom microfarads might as well be something you heat up your dinner with) may more rapidly comprehend precisely what a Crypton is. Without more, a distinguishing feature may have greater traction in the long term.

Edit: In fact, we do heat up our dinners with microfarads when we use microwave ovens, as they contain enormous capacitors and the unit for capacitance is the Farad. Oops 

And Cryptons, like photons, may be said to have zero rest mass. The currency is based on brilliant incentives to keep it moving around.

Edit: Cryptons. The light of finance.

I rather like 'Crypton', because it has alliterative reference to Superman's Kryptonite (strength) as well as to the word 'coupon' for that to which value has been assigned. It also has some of the characteristics of the name of an elementary particle

You are perfectly correct. Sincere apologies for my mistake which only became obvious to me the moment you pointed it out.