@Roy, what does the iProduct and iManufacturer string return on your final release mofarcher? idVendor 0x0403 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd
idProduct 0x6014 FT232H Single HS USB-UART/FIFO IC
bcdDevice 9.00
iManufacturer 1 BUTTERFLY LABS
iProduct 2 BitFORCE SHA256
EDIT: If I'm not mistaken, this appears to be the same iProduct string that was used in the FPGA Singles that are handled by the bitforce driver. Is this clash problematic? |
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Another Monarch problem. I've been testing the thermal throttling, and it seems not to work.
If I set --bflsc-overheat to a low value then cgminer logs a message saying that the cutoff temperature has been reached and it's stopping work. But it doesn't seem to actually throttle...
EDIT: Meaning, it carried on hashing at full speed (and temperature continues rising above the overheat cutoff)
I'll look into it, along with the product string. Thanks, Con. |
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Another Monarch problem. I've been testing the thermal throttling, and it seems not to work.
If I set --bflsc-overheat to a low value then cgminer logs a message saying that the cutoff temperature has been reached and it's stopping work. But it doesn't seem to actually throttle...
EDIT: Meaning, it carried on hashing at full speed (and temperature continues rising above the overheat cutoff)
roy
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You can't beat the market, you can get lucky a few times
I tend to disagree. A lot of people make a living of this. On various markets. Bitcoin market is not much different. Certainly many people make a living from trading. But you've got to remember that most pro traders are paid to manage other people's money. They get paid big money if they make money for their clients. And if their clients lose money - well, the traders don't lose anything. Really - that's how hedge funds work - they take a percentage of their clients profits in good years. And in bad years, well, they don't take a percentage of the losses, and tey still get their management fees. roy |
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What a dishonest illiterate wretched creature you are!  since most of this forum has him on ignore, if you feel the urge to converse with it, can you at least not quote it? thanks. Apologies. 'This user is currently ignored' seems to be outnumbering real users at the moment. Free speech is important but it would be brilliant if the forum just deleted users once a certain ignore threshold is reached.. What exactly is the 'report to moderator' link for? In any moderated forum action would have been taken long ago, but AFAICT this place is completely unmoderated... (EDIT: despite claims that there are in fact moderators here - given the level of drivel posted here I find it hard to believe they really exist) |
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I think you're missing the point. It is rational not to want to spend time and money visiting someone who will despise them. Oh course, you are free, in some sense, to dislike any social group you choose to dislike. On the other hand, once you start asserting such a freedom it is rational for any visitor to want to determine whether they happen to fall into a category you dislike, for the simple reason that it would significantly detract from their visit. I think it is not good to be gay because the Bible says so and I am not in a position to change it
Oh my, and a homophobe too. What does homophobe even mean? If you think homosexuals are creepy and nasty, does that make you a homophobe? If I call homosexuals homos, am I am homophobe? I think calling someone a homophobe is bigoted, and in nasty-denial. I have no idea what point you're trying to make. I'm sure we all know what the word means. |
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I think you're missing the point. It is rational not to want to spend time and money visiting someone who will despise them. Oh course, you are free, in some sense, to dislike any social group you choose to dislike. On the other hand, once you start asserting such a freedom it is rational for any visitor to want to determine whether they happen to fall into a category you dislike, for the simple reason that it would significantly detract from their visit. I think it is not good to be gay because the Bible says so and I am not in a position to change it
Oh my, and a homophobe too. |
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No one has called out rpietila for the 'raghead' comment, so I will. Add racist to the list of faults.
You see how little support PC actually has.  It is one of the many repression techniques forced on us, completely unfounded in logic and not supported by conscience. (Yes I understand you were being sarcastic, but never miss an opportunity to make a point ) It's easy to see cultural insensitivity as a non-problem (and complaints about it as illogical) if you're lucky enough to be in a cultural group that isn't typically on the receiving end of such insensitivity. Failing to perceive the problem doesn't make the problem go away, though. roy In a free world, people have the liberty to think whatever they want. The proliferation of the concept of "racism" is a 1984-esque thoughtcrime. Every act of rasistic violence, etc., shall be judged as any act of non-rasistic violence, according to the law. But when people's thoughts start to be judged, then the freedom of thought is no more. (I don't want to sound harsh, but the indoctrination of thoughtcrime is a sneaky one, and repelling it is a priority.) Oh well. I had wanted to visit Malla. If you're in favour of racism (or at least against opposing it) I guess I'll have to assume I might not be welcome. I had hoped you intended Malla to be a broad Bitcoin retreat, rather than just a white person's Bitcion retreat. I guess I was wrong. roy |
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No one has called out rpietila for the 'raghead' comment, so I will. Add racist to the list of faults.
You see how little support PC actually has. It is one of the many repression techniques forced on us, completely unfounded in logic and not supported by conscience. (Yes I understand you were being sarcastic, but never miss an opportunity to make a point ) It's easy to see cultural insensitivity as a non-problem (and complaints about it as illogical) if you're lucky enough to be in a cultural group that isn't typically on the receiving end of such insensitivity. Failing to perceive the problem doesn't make the problem go away, though. roy |
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I wonder if that is true of all the new ones  Maybe BFL doesn't like cgminer working with it - though they indirectly paid for the driver ... My original moth has been mining fine at ~250W, ~330GH/s at the pool, for over 2 months now I would assume it must be true of at least all the ones shipping right now. Seems unlikely that mine are special in some way. BTW, is there/will there be any access to underclocking/undervolting? I'm pretty sure BFL promised this would be possible... roy |
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Not immediately detecting my Monarchs.
Am I right in thinking that all I should need is --enable-bflsc at build time (and nothing special at run time)?
Ah, it appears that production Monarchs (or at least these two) have iProduct set to "BitFORCE SHA256". A quick edit of usbutils.c and we're hashing (albeit with a warning at startup about an unknown firmware version). Note that this iProduct string seems to be the same as the old BFL FPGAs. I've no idea whether this matters - although I'm not compiling the old bitforce driver so it clearly doesn't matter to me. |
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Not immediately detecting my Monarchs.
Am I right in thinking that all I should need is --enable-bflsc at build time (and nothing special at run time)?
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As the sun sets on the home mining scene [...]
I suspect there will be people mining at home for fun pretty much forever. And home mining for profit has been pretty much impossible for years - at least not without a huge amount of luck - although many people let wishful thinking cloud their judgment. Thanks for the new release - I will test it out on a couple of Monarchs shortly :-) roy |
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or to not loose my whole investment.
Oh, I really don't think that will happen. The fundamentals haven't change - but bottoms are notoriously difficult to call... EDIT: To quote Keynes again: "Markets can remain irrational a lot longer than you and I can remain solvent." |
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If the gold standard Keynes was criticizing did not mean credit expansion, what was he criticizing then?
If the standard was just that gold = money, and may be circulated as 100% backed notes, then I'd say that it is equal to calling gold the relic, and not only the standard, considering that gold and standard are the same thing!
Yes, that thought did occur to me, too. I think I'm going to have to search a little more as to the context of this famous quote from Keynes. Anyway, sorry for the distraction.... :-) roy |
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It doesn't feel to me that we really have 'blood in the streets' yet. Remember what it was like after the rally to 266 when in early July we were trading in the 60's? I don't think there's anywhere near as much despair here now as their was then....
I remember well. I even panic-sold some coins. I don't feel that panic yet at all, I'm quite calm in fact. So I agree: we're not there yet.On the other hand: I haven't been an observer of markets for long enough to acknowledge as fact the necessity of blood on the streets for a bull market to start up. Where the hell were you guys when Mt Gox imploded, despair hit rock bottom, and the market dive bombed to $389? Not enough blood in the streets for ya? Need two "bottoms" to be satisfied, eh? That was then. I'm talking about the bear market that we're in now. Turnarounds are often accompanied by maximally pessimal sentiment (aka 'blood in the streets'). I don't think we're there yet (although I can't imagine we're that far off). But another way. There are, broadly speaking, two types of bullish money: money that's already invested, and money that's sitting on the sidelines, waiting to buy in at the best price. That money is happy to wait the market out, until all the weak hands have been shaken out. We're close, but I'm not sure we're there yet. I'd be surprised if the turnaround doesn't happen in the next few months, though... EDIT: And it's my guess that there's enough money on the sidelines, that when this market turns, it will turn very quickly, as people scamble to get (back) in... |
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Another barbarous relic, gold, has even lower transactional utility [...]
I can't resist the urge to point out that Keynes never called gold a barbarous relic; it was the gold standard - the practice of linking the value of currency to the value of gold - that he so described. Good point indeed. Gold standard truly is a laughable practice, similar to - just imagine - that somebody would tie his shitcoin's value to Bitcoin! Sooner or even sooner it is found out that Bitcoin still has value but the shitcoin is sinking just as the dollar did when defaulted from the gold standard. Let gold be gold, and Bitcoin be Bitcoin. And people use whatever they wish. Actually, I disagree. The classical gold standard involved issuing paper that was 100% backed with gold and freely exchangeable for gold. It was a device to make it more convenient to do business in gold than it otherwise would have been had it involved lumps of metal. I don't find this practice laughable at all; these were true promisary notes, and the holder of a one pound note could quite literally withdraw the metal from the Bank of England. British notes, to this day, still carry the words "I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of X pounds", which dates back to the gold standard (although now has no meaning). Bretton Woods, which followed it, was a very different beast and rather more dubious: the US dollar, as the reserve currency, was priced at a fixed rate in terms of gold but not 100% backed by it and not freely exchangeable for it (except by other central banks). Other central banks in turn priced their currencies in terms of US dollars, and therefore, indirectly in terms of gold, and held dollars (and/or gold) as their reserves. This is sometimes also refered to as a gold standard, but it is really rather different from the classical gold standard; I'd be more willing to dismiss this later form than I would the true classical gold standard. roy |
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Another barbarous relic, gold, has even lower transactional utility [...]
I can't resist the urge to point out that Keynes never called gold a barbarous relic; it was the gold standard - the practice of linking the value of currency to the value of gold - that he so described. |
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I drew some lines in my purse, fundamental TA stuff and such. The analysis was disastrous: There's simply no more fiat left to be spent on Bitcoin except the tiny bit that I'm not willing to spend due to nostalgic reasons My lines on graphs tell me we won't go further down than 420, but even if we go further south, I might have several heart attacks, but no selling attacks, cause now is the time for the return of the HODLER! It doesn't seem like we've managed to sustain any kind of rally since the 18 August low of 442, so I'm pretty much expecting a retest of 442. Actually, I wouldn't be at all surprised if 442 doesn't hold and we have to go all the way down to retest the 11 April low of 339 - or at least come close to it. It doesn't feel to me that we really have 'blood in the streets' yet. Remember what it was like after the rally to 266 when in early July we were trading in the 60's? I don't think there's anywhere near as much despair here now as their was then.... |
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Perhaps it is good to interpret my own post because it wasn't obvious:
As with metals, the #1 is really valuable, but the #2 is only about 1/50 as valuable. Others are not even counted.
So will it be with coins, therefore do not buy coins that aim to be #3.
I'll assume you're referring to gold and silver. Assuming that's the case, you're wrong. Platinum is more valuable than gold and palladium is about 75% as pricey as gold, and there are plenty of other metals that are more valuable per unit mass than silver (I'm not finding a list real quick, but I'd guess indium and most of the rare earth metals like gadolinium, europium, etc.). Sure, but those metals aren't used as a pseudo-currency anywhere, unless I'm mistaken. There are certainly platinum bullion coins, (e.g. the Platinum Noble), and if Wikipedia is to be believed, Platinum and Paladium get currency codes, too (XPT and XPD). Looks like Rhodium doesn't, but all three are available in bar form from bullion merchants. roy |
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