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81  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: April 01, 2017, 05:14:24 AM
Ok, thanks for the explanation! So you own the right to use the cards you own in the games, but not the image art. I'll be interested to see how the game designers use the cards, are there any docs explaining game design yet? I know with pokemon my son has two types of good cards he values - rare cards, and powerful card. The rare cards can be quite valuable even if their use in games is weak, so they're the genuine collectibles.  The powerful cards have good attributes for game play, so they're the ones he wants for playing, even though most of them are not rare. The rare cards only have value as a byproduct from the success of the game. That's why I'm still skeptical of the value of pepe as a genuine collectible asset that can hold value for decades, the games are an afterthought, and that's not good.

As an isolated event, I can understand your skepticism towards Rare Pepes having any sort of lasting economic value. However, they really are pioneering new ideas and forging ahead in the digital asset space, and I've always maintained that digital assets are going to be huge in the coming decade. Whether Counterparty ends up being the de facto digital asset platform, I don't know, but its currently the most solid.

Regardless of how you personally feel about the Pepe meme and everything, you've got to give the project credit - before this, 'collectible digital assets' were created by centralized entities (Spells of Genesis cards, for example), and then sold to buyers. With Rare Pepes, the pepes are created by the artist, and after paying the submission fee, the artist has control over 100% of the distribution. Those cards can then be (voluntarily) integrated into games, either as playable things, or even as just digital art you can put on the wall of your virtual house. The art thing, btw, requires very little ongoing code, you just need to hook into a json file from the rarepepedirectory containing images and stuff.

Sarutobi is integrating both of those usecases for Rare Pepes into their new upcoming game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICJABB7wZmk, and Spells of Genesis have added Rare Pepes to their Book of Orbs app on iOS and Android (Shaban from SoG hangs out in the pepe chat on occasion, and has discussed adding benefits for Rare Pepe holders to Spells of Genesis, but thats currently not certain). This is in addition to Rare Pepe Party, the card game being developed specifically around Rare Pepes: http://rarepepe.party. The synergistic effects of platforms integrating each others assets is quite interesting to watch unfold.

Perhaps it's just a fad that will burn out, but I see it as the first in a long line of many interesting projects utilizing Counterparty. I sincerely think it might have more long-term value than you're expecting.

Edit: You can see the business proposal for Rare Pepe Party here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k8Dq6k4OHLD6NZ-qlwGjLYIq_ndVpopDolOXq7SjDuo/edit

Cool reply, thanks! I do appreciate the innovation going on, and there does appear to be a lot of sincere people in the ecosystem, so I'm watching things with interest. Collectibles and memes and pop culture stuff generally is impossible to predict. Pepe could become an icon like Andy Warhol's 'Campbells Soup',  and some of the art is really great, but the games need to be fun to play, so it would be better to give the cards game play attributes at the start, as that's what gives a lot of value to the cards.

The decentralised assets for cards is cool though, but Pepe might be myspace, and if someone does the game design first and adds game attributes to the cards when they're created they'll probably end up being Facebook. At the end of the day nobody can predict what will happen, but pepe games looks more like The Monkeys than the The Beatles or Rolling Stones- an after thought. Not the art or the community, but the games add on, and the idea that rare cards will be more valuable when the games don't exist yet.

82  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: April 01, 2017, 03:44:11 AM
ONLYONEPEPE and JONGPEPE and LORDKEK were just purchased for 11btc. I am now the one and only proud owner of the entire first series. Call me crazy, but I've been trying to get the set since series 1 ended. Pretty happy right now.

Good for you bro, if you get 11 btc pleasure then it was a good buy. Do you mind if I put one of your pepe on a t-shirt and sell it on cafepress? What exactly do you own, did you buy exclusive rights to the image?

Holding the asset in my address lets me sign a challenge/response pair for any game integrating pepe assets, which will let me use ONLYONEPEPE in-game on my account. Print the image as much as you like: unless you can convince the collective community building applications around the assets that your picture is the asset itself, you won't be able to use the asset (and the corresponding benefits, whatever they might be) in those games.

Ok, thanks for the explanation! So you own the right to use the cards you own in the games, but not the image art. I'll be interested to see how the game designers use the cards, are there any docs explaining game design yet? I know with pokemon my son has two types of good cards he values - rare cards, and powerful card. The rare cards can be quite valuable even if their use in games is weak, so they're the genuine collectibles.  The powerful cards have good attributes for game play, so they're the ones he wants for playing, even though most of them are not rare. The rare cards only have value as a byproduct from the success of the game. That's why I'm still skeptical of the value of pepe as a genuine collectible asset that can hold value for decades, the games are an afterthought, and that's not good.
83  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: April 01, 2017, 02:45:59 AM
ONLYONEPEPE and JONGPEPE and LORDKEK were just purchased for 11btc. I am now the one and only proud owner of the entire first series. Call me crazy, but I've been trying to get the set since series 1 ended. Pretty happy right now.

Good for you bro, if you get 11 btc pleasure then it was a good buy. Do you mind if I put one of your pepe on a t-shirt and sell it on cafepress? What exactly do you own, did you buy exclusive rights to the image?
84  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: April 01, 2017, 02:40:06 AM
Yes, I guess you can just go copy the .jpg image and save it to your computer, but it's not the same thing. That is a very childish thought. That's like saying I can go print a copy of the Mona Lisa on a piece of canvas and say that I own the Mona Lisa... it's not real or authentic, it's just a fake copy that's not worth anything and can be proven to be fake. The token/asset behind the card/art is what gives it it's value and authenticity. If you hold the asset, then you hold the value.

A printed copy of the Mona Lisa is like a CAM copy of a movie, or a 64 bit MP3 version of a song, they're not perfect copies, BUT I can download a DVD copy of a movie that's identical to the original, and I can download a flac of a song which is also identical to the original. What makes paintings valuable is they can't be copied exactly, same as coins and stamps and comic books, and physical cards. My son collects pokemon and yugioh cards and we learnt early on how to spot fakes.

Pepe card art is really entertaining, and the community vibe looks really cool, but that doesn't mean there's going to be a thriving collectible market for expensive pepe cards. If I see a card image that blows my mind I can take a screen shot, crop, and email it to my friends , or put it on a t-shirt or coffee mug, and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me, so the guy who paid 1k USD for a rare pepe card as an investment will likely regret his mistake and buy bitcoins, xcp, or xmr for investment returns.

Pepe games might develop that do require blockchain ownership, but other than straight gambling games, I can't see how a really good game design can come from all these random pepe memes. Magic, Pokemon etc are good games, the card art is secondary to the information on them, they're designed well and fun to play. Unless the pepe game design really kicks ass and the game is fun to play and becomes a classic, there's no need to buy pepecash to love the art. That's why I don't see a long term investment here, just cynical pumpers trying to cash in on a craze. Wait to see the game designs that require blockchain ownership first.
85  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 31, 2017, 06:49:27 AM

I do like some of your pepe cards, I'm taking copies for my own collection, you can't really prevent people making exact copies of your digital assets, that's a big impediment to digital items becoming collectibles. You can't prevent me enjoying your digital property anymore than Hollywood can, my pepe cards look exactly the same as your ones do! I don't need to 'own' them to enjoy them just as much as you do, so why would I ever buy them from you ?
86  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 31, 2017, 05:06:47 AM

This post is all overblown hype and decentralised asset jargon, it's not written by a hobbyist who truly loves the Pepe meme, it's written by someone pumping the latest crypto craze. It's not sincere, this guy wants to attract speculators, not pepe card collectors. I bet he privately thinks pepe meme is a load of horse shit.

  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy


lol u wut m8?  
  
This is my public address, filled to the absolute brim with some of the dankest rares in all of the Pepeverse.  You are welcome to try to assemble a better collection but here's a spoiler alert for you: good fucking luck.  I take extreme pride in my collection and tend the memes well.  
  
https://rarepepewallet.com/?addr=1Fpx9NPBJsRbx6RXkvfZ3n1iCYj7n7VaJR&type=gallery
  
I could make a strong argument for my address being one of the top five addresses in existence.  Hell, the 1/1 unique cosmic-tier MYLITTLEPEPE does that.  (That sale was the most expensive Pepe card sold on the DEX btw with a USD equivalent of $3500).  See those 72 PEPESUS cards?  I never made my own tribute card - someone else did and I spent $thousands acquiring as many as possible to give it some value.  Feel free to admire the solid number of epic Series 1 and 2 godly-tier cards, including nearly a tenth of all RAREPEPEs themselves.  I've spent a small fortune and a ton of time trying to build an amazing collection, and I know if I find it fun then others surely will too.  Plus the advent of booster packs will soon make it much easier to build up an impressive assortment of rares.  Finally, I've created several cards of my own and pledged most of the profits from sales to charity and crowdfunding.  

Are you done getting BTFO or do you have anything else profoundly stupid you want to try to troll with?


Lets have a bet then ...

I don't think you are collecting these pepe memes because you like them, you're doing it coz you think they'll go up in value, and in 5 years when the speculators have moved on your collection as an investment will have performed poorly.

I'll bet 100 bitcoins in 5 years Pepe cards performance as an asset will be shit.

Edit, we agree on the metrics used to measure performance,  then full escrow, so no cheating

Edit, after some thought I think a bet for this time span is too long to lock of that amount of bitcoins
87  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 31, 2017, 02:19:58 AM
Now begins a remarkable moment.  And it's not just about the new ATH marketcap.  
  
We have one of the first examples of a decentralized social structure emerging organically.  A decentralized asset and game, rising up from the ashes of the constituent satoshi from which it was forged, becoming something more than the little bits and cryptobytes that make it up.  We are talking about something for which we don't have proper language to describe yet in English and any attempt to do so does a disservice to what it truly is.  
  
Call it a decentralized game?  It's much more than a game.  This an entire ecosystem of cryptotokens with a maze of value between them.  
And yet calling it a shitcoin or a simple token isn't right either, because these aren't some throw away token mined on a few desktop PCs like most blockchains - this is an asset built upon existing blockchain security.  In fact, forget the game.  This digital collectible can have a theoretically infinite tower of data structures and relationships built on top of it, the crypto-key only controlling the one thing that has eluded humanity for so long: the elusive concept of digital scarcity.  
  
We could have scarcely understood it years ago as this tech first made its mark, but this is the dawning genesis of something much more than a block - this is the dawn of a new layer of civilization itself.  And Pepe is here to help launch this concept.  Consider what is happening all around you at this very moment - a random American teen and a random Nepalese teen can awake on the same day, spend some love and effort on a new Pepe card, register the asset, and within a day or so be selling their original intellectual property (created out of thin air) on the free market.  
  
Can they make a fortune?  No, not the day of the sale.... but remember that bitcoins were a worthless nerd asset too at one point.  And similarly, individual Pepecash admittedly don't hold a ton of value.  But there is real value transfer happening - from nothing!  This is the purpose of cryptocurrency!  To generate work from humans in exchange, as that creates lasting systems.  Fueled by the vast imaginations and efforts of a few dedicated collectors, programmers, artists, and entrepreneurs around the globe the Rare Pepe network has already risen up from the abyss to occupy a now THREE MILLION dollar market cap.  
  
It promises nothing, save its own cryptographic security.  It is we, the dedicated fans of Pepe, who are making the promise to ourselves: we will continue to passionately support and grow this ecosystem until milestone after milestone falls in our wake.  
  
This is but the first ATH of many friends, and I am so happy to be here with you all from the beginning.
  


This post is all overblown hype and decentralised asset jargon, it's not written by a hobbyist who truly loves the Pepe meme, it's written by someone pumping the latest crypto craze. It's not sincere, this guy wants to attract speculators, not pepe card collectors. I bet he privately thinks pepe meme is a load of horse shit.
88  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 31, 2017, 02:06:03 AM
I come from a trading background. I'm in and out coins usually within 1-3 days. The most I'll hold is maybe a month if I get stuck in a bad move. I'm very versed with scam coins. You just gota know how to play the right side of it. I've bought PutinCoin and other scams like that. The goal is to make quick money and hope you're not the one that gets screwed in the end.

I'll be honest, when I first saw the Pepe Graph almost two months ago I thought this was the case. An uptrend fad coin that I could make a quick buck off of. After reading up on it I was actually quite impressed, but still wasn't thinking more than my normal play. I even created a Rare Pepe and sold it all to someone. I thought I beat the system and made an extra chunk of change selling some fake card.

A few days later after hanging out in the Telegram chat I realized something. This isn't just some copy of a coin with a new name. It's not someone quick pump and dump orchestrated by a few individuals. There is a real genuine community behind this project who are interested in collecting these cards. People are interested in developing games and other solutions for this coin. This was the real deal. I instantly made another card and regretting selling the full supply of my first one. I even ended up developing an auction site for the community to sell their cards on.

I've been trading crypto for over 5+ years now and have never come across a project with an idea and community like this. I'm proud to say that I've set aside a nice chunk of my trading funds to become an active member of the Pepe community. I see great things for this project down the road. It's just getting started.

If this guy just took a day or two and hung out in the Telegram chat with the other 900+ active members I'm sure he would have a different opinion. It's not that easy to understand without diving into it head first. It's especially hard to grasp from such an outside view. I encourage everyone to not judge this project without doing some research, joining the chat, asking questions, and trying it out. This is something special.

I understand everything you say above, and I fully appreciate there are hundreds of people in the Pepe community having a great time, and I think that's really cool, I honestly mean that. For people who like making cards, and like Pepe meme, and so get enjoyment from collecting Pepe cards, joining the pepe 'thing' makes complete sense, and is NOT a waste of time or money. It's a hobby, and you might make some cash, cool.

BUT, there's plenty of people who don't give a shit about Pepe cards, or a possible game, or how cool the meme is,, they're traders who'll buy and pump anything. Some of those guys might be like you and develop an appreciation for the meme etc, but I think the majority are cynical pumpers, like some who post here claiming Pepecash is some revolutionary financial product that's going to change the world permanently in some way. That's crap, pump talk from people trying to entice speculators who don't care about the pepe cards, future games, community. That's why Pepecash is bad investment, but might be a great hobby for a small niche of people.

I know a guy who started collecting Pokemon cards when he was a kid, and one day out of the blue he sold half his collection and bought a large house, with cash. That guy  started collecting pokemon cards because he loved pokemon, like millions of people all around the world love pokemon. Pokemon has sustained interest from millions of people, for decades,  that's where the value comes from, it's a byproduct of 'real' devotion from millions of people, like Star Trek etc I don't doubt that there might be a few cynical pokemon card collectors who trade for profit but have no interest in pokemon, but I'd say over 90% of pokemon collectors love pokemon. I'd say 90% of people buying pepecash are speculators, same as with doge, so there'll be a pump, then a crash, and the die hard hobbyists wont be effected too much, same as the people who still think doge is cool, but people who were looking for a long term investment will have their pants pulled down by the greater fool scammers.

See, I get very suspicious of guys who pump pepecash, but don't seem to actually like pepe meme that much, they spin the financial asset hype jargon, and neglect that the whole ecosystem is a hobby for pepe meme lovers, or should be.
89  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 30, 2017, 10:41:52 AM


You really don't have a clue, you're pumping a joke coin, and the whole value proposition rests on the quality of the meme used for the basis of the joke, and you don't get that, too blinded by greed. How can you seriously compare Magic cards as collectible assets to a pepe game that's being hacked together after the fact to cash in on the 15 minutes of fame. There are literally hundreds of assets on NXT, Counterparty and Omni platforms, and anyone can create assets backed by 'super computer' levels of cryptographic power, so the only thing that makes Pepecash different is THE PEPE MEME.
 
  
Absolutely beta-cuckperson levels of untrue.  Yes, Rare Pepes by definition feature Pepe.  That should be obvious.  
  
What you are completely ignorant on or choosing to ignore is:  

  • To this day Pepe is the predominant meme on chans and the greater internet.  Please go visit http://boards.4chan.org/biz/, change to Catalog and see how many instances of Pepe there are, unrelated to even Rare Pepe crypto assets.
  • Rare Pepes exist in a complex ecosystem with many rare cards, all listed on rarepepedirectory.com, and all intertwined with the Pepecash and XCP standards.  There is no single asset anyone is trying to pump, no more than the original innovators of Bitcoin were trying to pump it by giving it utility and value.  These cards were created by the community, and are owned by those that create them.  You can create your own pretty trivially and sell it for whatever you want!
  • The Rare Pepe game is being planned, developed, and crowd-funded as we speak.  Theses Pepe tokens will take on a life of their own when people begin assigning not just art assets to them, but also gameplay features.  The beautiful part is that it isn't just one game that gets to do this - any number of games could use these tokens.  Have you even taken the time to read the proposal?  (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k8Dq6k4OHLD6NZ-qlwGjLYIq_ndVpopDolOXq7SjDuo/edit)
  • Booster packs of Pepe Cards are live and working on the test net, with main net roll out planned in the near future - just as collecting Baseball cards was a valid pastime for many people, collecting rare cards created by the community is valid regardless whether or not you like the idea.
  • The only other legitimate XCP game asset currently with active development is Spells of Genesis, and Rare Pepes dramatically improve on the concepts they pioneered.
  • You are missing the grander point, which is a live demonstration of decentralized asset systems, something that has eluded all of humanity for a long time.  This is something that has never been done before in the history of our species, and you are too busy calling it names to see why its unique.


No, I don't actually think that you're stupid, you just bought a bag of cheap Pepe, like Aeon, and now you're looking for fools to dump on. The Aeon you bought was a good call, it has a great dev behind it, and great tech, but Pepe ... it's a con bro.
 
  
The things I buy tend to be good calls because I see through scams and hype, and can appreciate innovation and new ideas where others (like you) scoff.  Aeon in 2015 didn't look like such a good idea either, did it?  Bear in mind there are many other cryptos which have increased in price dramatically in recent months that I continue to ignore.  Do you know why?  Because they are actual scams.  Pepecash and Rare Pepes are doing new things in the art of crypto.  I'm sorry you didn't get involved months ago when it was practically free.  I'm sorry you're still too arrogant to get involved now.  And I'm sorry for your likely inevitable continuing bitching and complaining all.  the.  way.  up.  
  
Do you know those cucks who whined and complained the whole time Bitcoin was ascending, doing new and amazing things for decentralized value?  Yeah, that is basically what you sound like right now.  Check yourself.  

  


We can agree to disagree, I think you will do well from your early bag, so congrats to you, and maybe guys buying today will make a good return also, but I just don't think the Pepe meme has enough substance to sustain continued growth of the ecosystem for decades, eventually it becomes like any other fad and fades away. There are just so many more compelling memes and iconic pop culture rivals that can outdo Pepe, and will, and I'm not a trader jumping from asset to asset, I'm looking for long term investments that pay off for decades. I think you are sincere in your advocacy (probably), but after a pump or two Pepe is destined for obscurity. I would invest scarce funds in many other clones of Pepe, and I fully expect to in 2017-18, but this meme is weak, any game designed from it will probably also be weak, and sustained value for card collecting just wont happen. I might be wrong, but there are just better investments in this niche, and any sensible investor wants a diversified portfolio across all major categories, so comparing Pepe to other game based crypto alternatives is prudent, and imo there are much better investments in the gaming niche right now.

Anon coins: xmr zCash Dash Komodo
Asset platforms: NXT XCP omni
Decentralised Storage: sia storj maidsafe
Games: Pepe Crypto Kingdom
etc

In these classes a wise investor knows he can't take a large position in everything, so you pick the best one. We disagree which is the better game based crypto currently available, but comparing them in a speculation thread should be welcomed, and you suggesting it is not relevant and just spam is silly.
90  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 30, 2017, 05:36:24 AM
Pepe love, much wow

You really don't have a clue, you're pumping a joke coin, and the whole value proposition rests on the quality of the meme used for the basis of the joke, and you don't get that, too blinded by greed. How can you seriously compare Magic cards as collectible assets to a pepe game that's being hacked together after the fact to cash in on the 15 minutes of fame. There are literally hundreds of assets on NXT, Counterparty and Omni platforms, and anyone can create assets backed by 'super computer' levels of cryptographic power, so the only thing that makes Pepecash different is THE PEPE MEME.

If the meme was a good one I'd buy some, but Pepe meme is so terrible to base a game on, or collectible cards, or a long term investment, so anyone pumping pepe is a scammer in my books. The tech is good, the card collectible angle is good, individuals being able to make their own cards is good, but the meme is shit. Do you get my point? Convince me Pepe meme is the golden goose, I have no problem with the rest.

Think of it like this: pizza is a proven flavor delivery platform, and nobody doubts that, but whether you make a good pizza or a crap one depends on the toppings. Everyone can make a pizza, there's nothing original about it. You guys made a pizza topped with Pepe, and think you invented cold fusion. You compare it to Magic which is a classic game, like a Supreme pizza is a proven favorite. You made a ponzi pizza topped with a frog meme, and you seriously think it's going to revolutionise crypto finance? No, I don't actually think that you're stupid, you just bought a bag of cheap Pepe, like Aeon, and now you're looking for fools to dump on. The Aeon you bought was a good call, it has a great dev behind it, and great tech, but Pepe ... it's a con bro.
91  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 29, 2017, 07:00:41 AM
This isn't the ANN thread for pepecash, and I'm not really a Crypto kingdom person, although I did get a freebie the other week from a giveaway, but I feel free to say and do what I want, I only speak for myself, not involved with CK inner circle in any way.

Pepe and Crypto Kingdom are competing in the same market, so comparing them is no different to comparing XMR and Dash. Pepe promoters have a very weak claim to anything cutting edge, just a third rate frog meme. Crypto Kingdom looks like a better investment, a monopoly like roll playing game has lots of potential, and current lack of decentralized asset ownership can be improved.

If pepe promoters make claims that there's something revolutionary about the investment potential of their underlying frog  meme they should expect people to 'speculate' on how realistic this is, in this thread. Doing so by comparing to an alternative is fair game imo.
92  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 29, 2017, 05:23:02 AM
OFF TOPIC SPAM APPEAL TO BULLSHIT
 
  
This is a Pepecash and Rare Pepe topic.  Please take your CryptoKingdom spam somewhere else.  
  
If you are looking for centralized game assets, CryptoKingdom pales in comparison to offerings from already established game providers like Nexon: http://maple.fm/scania  
  
CryptoKingdom is a centralized game token.  Rare Pepes are decentralized blockchain technology.  There is no comparison.  End of story.  
  
You are trying to talk about outdated board games and business models and we are busy concerning ourselves with the future of game assets.

No need to get pissed off. This is a pepecash speculation thread, and my belief is despite the good underlying platform of counterparty on bitcoin, the pepe meme is a train wreck,  it does not have appeal outside the early adopters who are more interested in greater fool profits. Creating a meme based asset bets all the future value and risk on the quality of the meme. A frog with big lips has miniscule chance of going viral, and even if it did, to be a good investment it needs to stay 'cool' for decades, otherwise it's a greater fool rip off by early adopters.

Creating iconic things is hard, creating icons that stay relevant for decades is extremely rare, and I just don't think your frog with big lips has done it, it's a bad investment. A better strategy to consciously create something 'new' is to take two existing things that you know already 'work' and then be the first one to create the synthesis.  If you look at pop culture, music, movies, art, products etc you see this everywhere. Rarely is anything completely new, but often smart people bring two or more successful things together in a creative way. Pepecash added a frog meme, that is so lame, and everyone but the early adopters will lose money.
93  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 29, 2017, 04:51:30 AM
I don't play Monopoly...

But millions of people do, and billions know basically what it is. Did you know in WW2 the allies used Monopoly sets to smuggle messages into nazi POW camps about the D-day landings, it had universal appeal and worldwide recognition in 1945. My only criticism of pepecash is the meme itself is weak and very unlikely to gain mass appeal, but another meme might. Same with Doge, it was a weak meme, but the community behind it tried awful hard, but despite the initial success it has failed. I personally preferred the Nicholas Cage and Kanye memes much more, but they were weak also.

But a crypto based on Monopoly with some King Arthur elements, that has a much better chance.
94  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 29, 2017, 03:32:28 AM

Crypto Kingdom is not perfect, but it can be made a lot more decentralised after the ingame currency detaches from xmr and trades on external exchanges.

Lemme make this very clear: what happens to your Crypto Kingdom assets if the Crypto Kingdom servers shut down?  They cease to exist.  End of story.  Pepecash and Rare Pepes are actual assets.  CK nonsense is not.  Your jelly is making the floor sticky.

I have not invested even 1 satoshi in Crypto Kingdom or Pepecash, I did get a small amount of CK assets in a forum giveaway though, and that was only becuase I have been following many threads, and happened to see a giveaway in CK. What you say about CK assets is true, but the future success of both crypto kingdom and pepecash depends on attracting users, and the CK game is orders of magnitude superior to pepe in being interesting to nearly everyone alive today. The whole world plays monopoly, but the frog with big lips is a micro niche at best.

I think like this, which is more likely: the frog with big lips meme achieves sustained global appeal, or the founders of Crypto Kingdom make big advances in making CK asset ownership decentralised? Pepe becoming universal for generations to come is ridiculous proposition, but making Crypto Kingdom asset ownership decentralised is probable, I would say to some extend almost a certainty

And what about this for an idea, the CK founders make their own card counterparty assets based on a game around the virtual kingdom, instantly that has more potential than the frog with big lips. Cards based on the first 1000 active players, card numbers inverse to character ID. Any card game based on the random frog meme images made by random people isn't likely to be very good, but a card game designed around CK could be awesome.
95  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 29, 2017, 02:34:44 AM


A better alternative is Crypto Kingdom, it has a purpose, same appeal as Monopoly game with social network like Second Life, plus it is backed by XMR, so if you play well you can earn real value. Online monopoly has universal appeal, from 5 yr and up, no gimmicks needed, and for those who want it they can immerse in medieval world of knights and castles and wizards and quests etc, but not required, Crypto Kingdom can be blend of business and pleasure, player decides what they want to focus on. Once bitcoin deposits accepted and money 'M' gets listed on an exchange, Crypto Kingdom will take off big time, and appeal is obvious, not based on a meme.

Funny enough, or not funny depending on your perspective, a prolific Pepe artist tells a story of how he bought the Crypto Kingdom tale hook line and sinker and lost a shit load of money in the Monero rise. 
 
See folks, when you buy an asset on CryptoKingdom you are buying a centralized figment of someone's imagination.  It doesn't really exist in any tangible form.  The servers could shut down at any moment and you would have nothing.  CryptoKingdom assets, since they insist on continuing to shill here where they are not wanted, are the same as Microsoft Xbox points, or Mario stars, or EA sports bucks, or any other centralized nonsense that does nothing but enrich a central server. 
 
Pepecash and Rare Pepes are technologically superior, different, and truly ground breaking.  That is why they are valuable.  They are a decentralized token and asset.  When you own a rare pepe, you own a crypto asset that cannot ever be taken from you.  It is backed by a network more powerful than any supercomputer on Earth (unlike CryptoKingdom assets) and it is an asset ANYONE can develop for and own a slice of (unlike CryptoKingdom assets), and one smart enough to not name any particular person superior to any other (unlike.... well you guessed it). 
 
Those who take a technical look will realize that Rare Pepes are not just dank af.  They truly do advance the concept of game/business assets to a new tier that we have never explored before. 

The pepe meme is a fad, like mullet hairdos and hipster beards. Everyone on this forum can appreciate decentralised assets, and there are many of them, pepecash is no more original the LTBcoin from Adam B Levine's podcast show from 2014. The glue for that asset was a community around AbL's podcast, the glue for pepecash is the frog meme. Both are weak, that's why LTBcoin has no value today, and why I believe pepe is a short term doge styled fad.

Crypto Kingdom is not perfect, but it can be made a lot more decentralised after the ingame currency detaches from xmr and trades on external exchanges.
96  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 29, 2017, 02:24:17 AM
Good fundamentals + crap meme = doge = short term hype followed by crash

Pepe is a crap meme also, it does not have universal appeal, those pushing pepe want your money, don't be an idiot. If you really want a sustainable long term decentralised asset look for things with universal appeal.

+1
afaik there isn't a pepe game to play, just collect the cards, and that'll get boring pretty quickly. Pepe is a ponzi, so some will make some $$, but most will lose.

A better alternative is Crypto Kingdom, it has a purpose, same appeal as Monopoly game with social network like Second Life, plus it is backed by XMR, so if you play well you can earn real value. Online monopoly has universal appeal, from 5 yr and up, no gimmicks needed, and for those who want it they can immerse in medieval world of knights and castles and wizards and quests etc, but not required, Crypto Kingdom can be blend of business and pleasure, player decides what they want to focus on. Once bitcoin deposits accepted and money 'M' gets listed on an exchange, Crypto Kingdom will take off big time, and appeal is obvious, not based on a meme.

You know PEPECASH has made it when you get haters and shillers posting in your fourm! Hooray for the future of PEPECASH!

No hate, just valid comparison. All crypto coins and assets start as ponzi schemes, bitcoin included, so pepe is in good company.
97  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PEPECASH] 🐸 Pepecash / RarePepe 🦄 Spepeculation Topic on: March 29, 2017, 02:01:46 AM
Good fundamentals + crap meme = doge = short term hype followed by crash

Pepe is a crap meme also, it does not have universal appeal, those pushing pepe want your money, don't be an idiot. If you really want a sustainable long term decentralised asset look for things with universal appeal.

+1
afaik there isn't a pepe game to play, just collect the cards, and that'll get boring pretty quickly. Pepe is a ponzi, so some will make some $$, but most will lose.

A better alternative is Crypto Kingdom, it has a purpose, same appeal as Monopoly game with social network like Second Life, plus it is backed by XMR, so if you play well you can earn real value. Online monopoly has universal appeal, from 5 yr and up, no gimmicks needed, and for those who want it they can immerse in medieval world of knights and castles and wizards and quests etc, but not required, Crypto Kingdom can be blend of business and pleasure, player decides what they want to focus on. Once bitcoin deposits accepted and money 'M' gets listed on an exchange, Crypto Kingdom will take off big time, and appeal is obvious, not based on a meme.
98  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VTR] vTorrent - Share with freedom | 2FA | HD | @Bittrex on: March 15, 2017, 11:56:37 AM
How many coins does the dev have, is he loaded up and incentivised?
99  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo - Zcash Zero Knowledge Privacy Secured by Bitcoin on: March 15, 2017, 11:20:37 AM
This project is adding much needed services to cryptosphere, kmd is more than a currency. When people start using instantdex and PAX and jumblr the price will become correlated with user numbers, not speculation. This incident was handled very well, indicates future service level for users will be high.
100  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: March 15, 2017, 11:12:55 AM
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