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801  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Navajo [NAV]- The Unbreakable Code [PoS/Anonymity/Privacy] on: October 03, 2014, 05:29:48 AM
Anyway, no.  Nevermind.  I'm done here.

icekohl had me there for a moment with rationality and intelligent demeanor.  That appears to be in short supply here, so I'll just make my exit stage left.

Love and Light, champ.

Yeah whatsupp with the price guys?? It's getting only lower for like 1-2 months now.. No trading volume nothing anymore?

I just can't invest more in this, all investments i made ended up in nothing. Let's say i put 10k euro's in this, now i have 2k from it left.. 8k is just gone.

Also i see people crying about new investors, how would u ever get 1 investor with this coin now? Price is only dropping every day-week-month, there is nothing special with this coin even after 3 months not.
Investors will see that, and see this coin as a very high risk to put money in. So u guys can do nothing about it anymore, for now its up to the dev team to finally make something about this coin. Till that i wont see any reason for an investor to put money in it ( saying: yeah but price is low now.. wont help, because it's only get lower and lower till it's death, unless the dev team finally do something)
802  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][APT] Aptcoin★ASIC Resistant Scrypt In-Motion(NM) w/Aptcurve Retargeting on: October 03, 2014, 04:40:04 AM
got my wallet mining Cheesy

With an i7 at 3.6ghz (3th gen) i get like 1 khash??

Edit, nvm i'm out gpu is already possible i see.
803  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] AnimeCoin [アニメコイン] ANI (New Thread!) on: September 28, 2014, 08:46:23 AM
we need some pools what can be trust, the pools there are right now on the op are most of time scamming. So i can not offort to mine this on those pools because of the electricity.
804  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: █║║▌║█[ANN] ROSCOIN [ROS] - X11 - BITSCOINSHOP.COM DEAL!!!, PROFIT SHARE ║█║▌║║█ on: September 28, 2014, 07:34:16 AM
We have sold our first logo to Profit Coin. (rebrand of GRK)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781624.0

We have added a new feature that people can make their own coin. This should generate more and more profit for our PSP program.


Dev team, i would like to say that u guys are doing some great jobs. Also the jobs u do are interesting for many people, those services are some kind of special in this crypto world. U guys offer help for those who want there own coin or advertise space on ur website. That's just great but also lovely.

This is 1 of the few coins what really do something, the most coins u can buy or mine and after that u have just some bits from 0 and 1's on ur pc and thats it. But with this coin u can really buy service and other things, thats just super!

I don't want to asslick or something else, but it's just good to see that there are still coins like this RosCoin what really do something. And that deserve an compliment. So keep up this good work guys!
805  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: █║║▌║█[ANN] ROSCOIN [ROS] - X11 - BITSCOINSHOP.COM DEAL!!!, PROFIT SHARE ║█║▌║║█ on: September 27, 2014, 08:19:36 AM
I just added new feature to the website - CHECK it!  

Maybe some of you will be interested.

LINK


Time to get ROSCOIN to the moon!!! Mining is almost finished. Which coin can already offer what ROSCOIN can offer now? Spread the word, help us out and together we will be rich (or at least earn nice money Smiley )

yeah this looks good, nice idea men!!!
806  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ║ANN║scattercoin║STC║ Anonymous ║ X11 POW + POS║Payments Online on: September 26, 2014, 04:53:24 AM
WTB

1000STC = 1kg fresh shit  Grin


Yes, leave in the IPO team, STC will be the shit

STC will be the shit? And i need to take you serious now while talking like this? Come on Cheesy
807  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CannabisCoin [CANN][X11][Official][420] 9/25 QUICK NOTE FROM DEV on: September 26, 2014, 04:50:24 AM
QUICK UPDATE



I'm back from a LOOOOONG day meeting etc.

Just some things to look at and research timelines of progress.

Remember this update? Here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=661885.msg8210799#msg8210799
Empty rooms, no paint etc?

Now look here.













Is that ALL?!  Nope, just keep watching CannabisCoin.


~DeltaNine

Yes We CANN





verry nice! Keep up the good work guys!!!!!!!!!!!!
808  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Navajo Coin [NAV] - *Messaging System BETA Started* on: September 26, 2014, 04:37:56 AM
Something offtopic:
American gouvernment wil pay 554 million dollar for the navajo indians in America. Because America was/is abusing there ground.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to-pay-navajo-nation-554-million-in-largest-settlement-with-single-indian-tribe/2014/09/24/4dc02cc6-434e-11e4-9a15-137aa0153527_story.html
809  Local / Markt / Re: OP VOORRAAD! 4x 1 TH/S (1000 gh/s) Bitcoin miner AntMiner S2! on: September 25, 2014, 05:22:13 AM
Best raar. Je zet iets te koop en vervolgens laat je niks meer van je horen. laatste login 16-9...

haha en het leukste is, hij is bereikbaar op zijn mail / telefoon. Alleen deze zijn nergens te vinden Cheesy

Je kunt er min of meer vanuit gaan dat hier dus ook een voorafbetaling aan vast zat ( ik praat in het verleden inderdaad want dit is onzin ), en het resultaat kun je wel verwachten Smiley
810  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CannabisCoin [CANN][X11][Official][420] Developments & Discussions. on: September 25, 2014, 05:19:38 AM
What do you guys think about this:
http://fairpumps.net/blockchain-pumps/

I mean this coin should be between 5-10 dollar for 1 coin. Now the shops accept 1 coin for 1 gram. For us ( costumers ) it's nice, but we all know the price is to low what is not nice for the shop owner.

The only thing i dont want with an pump is an dump. This coin is fair enough to be 5-10 dollar for 1 coin, its nice for us and for the shop owners. We can pay already with smartphones in the shops. Price is getting already higher and higher everyday without an pump, so maybe we dont even need an pump website to reach the 5-10 dollar for 1 coin. BUT we can reach it faster if that website help us.

What do u guys think about it? And more important, what does the coin owners/dev's think about this?

If the coin owners/devs say this is not a good idea, i will delete this post ofcourse.




What you just suggested would put unrealistic pressure on the devs.

Don't try to rush things, this is week 15.

Ah i tought it was already longer Cheesy, i'm here since the first page was created -.- bleh what goes time slow men haha
811  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CannabisCoin [CANN][X11][Official][420] Developments & Discussions. on: September 25, 2014, 05:04:00 AM
The whole idea behind the poker concept is to keep the CANN poker players in CANN.


For example say i want to go and play on Seals, but i don't have enough BTC on hand, only CANN. At that point i would have to go on bittrex, turn my coin into BTC, and then finally get to play. (If i even want to after that entire process)


I'm not talking anything huge, just a private hub for CANN poker players to get high and gamble with their currency of choice Smiley









Yeah indeed, in that way u support that small amount of users to keep cann coin for play there poker games without sell cann coins for play more.
So if u look it at the way u tell, its good indeed.

Then i would go for the biggest group of users ( i guess poker? Smiley )
812  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CannabisCoin [CANN][X11][Official][420] Developments & Discussions. on: September 25, 2014, 04:47:51 AM
What would you guys rather see?


A Cannabis Coin Poker Site?

Or

A Cannabis Coin Bingo Site?




Let me know, can have a beta running next week.

Well to be honest, for me that poker / bingo sites always looks so cheapy ( not in design but the idea ). It has nothing to do with the coin, and totally not this coin ( thats my view on this )
But if i have to make a choice, i would say bingo, this because there are millions of poker sites already.


There is already a CANN Texas Hold em site?

Please link me, and thank you for your input Smiley

For what i know there isn't. But do we need it because there are many (like millions) other poker sites?

I think the coin is doing verry good now, and only beter every day. I think we need to stick to the main course and that is to let more and more shops accept this coin for buy goods ( we already have some shops what is super great! ).

But that gambling sites for an coin i dont know, i think its nice when the coin is as good as finished to add those extra things.

Like the android wallet what is released now is good to put time in, also now for WindowsPhones and IOS.

So my point of view is to finish everything first what the main course is from this coin. And later create / put time in things as an poker / bingo site. Because i do not believe an poker/bingo site makes an coin beter / more professional.
813  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CannabisCoin [CANN][X11][Official][420] Developments & Discussions. on: September 25, 2014, 04:36:08 AM
What would you guys rather see?


A Cannabis Coin Poker Site?

Or

A Cannabis Coin Bingo Site?




Let me know, can have a beta running next week.

Well to be honest, for me that poker / bingo sites always looks so cheapy ( not in design but the idea ). It has nothing to do with the coin, and totally not this coin ( thats my view on this )
But if i have to make a choice, i would say bingo, this because there are millions of poker sites already.
814  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CannabisCoin [CANN][X11][Official][420] Developments & Discussions. on: September 24, 2014, 04:10:02 PM
omg guys, how comes u make so much and big progress?

This so looks good in such a short time, also i read on op 1 cann coin is 1 gram? i think its time that the coin goes to like 5-10 dollar for 1 coin to make it fair for all!
815  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Navajo Coin [NAV] - *Messaging System BETA Started* on: September 24, 2014, 05:26:58 AM
Who said to the Moon Grin

First of all its good that dev's are still doing things for this coin, that's for sure.. BUT, this coin will not go to the moon because sync problems are fixed after 3 months.. (also coins on marketcap placed on #400 have a working syncing wallet, they are on the moon? no.)
The only thing what can save this coin are the anon transactions, the whitepaper was good ( we also saw that on the currency market, we were on place 40 on coinmarketcap! ) but after all the delays, no eta's and etc about the anon transaction this coin is not even listed on the first page ( top 100 ), everyday i look at the price it's only dropping. And THAT are facts.

I still got a little, verry little trust in this coin. BUT if u look at the facts, u can call me stupid to have that.

Only thing we have is an coin + wallet with nothing special. Just an ordinairy coin like 99% of the rest. When u say here: to the moon, ofc the investors don't care, they wont make buy orders because of that, they wont make buy orders because sync should be finally fixed. Other coins, without this big community fix sync issues in 1 max 2 days.

Crying about donations is also something bad, all dev's who start coins without (hidden) premines know its an hobby project. AND they deserve and earn donations by showing results.
Here its an other situation, dev's are asking for donations in BTC before even making results. Not any lamp is flashing now? Again i will repeat the facts:
- price is getting lower everyday
- there is nothing anon (except an anon BETA MESSAGE systems ofc nobody care..)
- There is no cryptsy, no polinex
- There is no linux wallet ( all coins, even noob dev's have this on release Smiley )
- Last promise: big news from monday this week, and what is the news? hahaha sync is maybe fixed.
- Promises created 1 month ago a pump, ofc followed by dumps, any lamp is flashing now?
- Lot of big investors has leaved this coin, because the trust is broken and can't be fixed, even with anon
- When you talk about facts, dev's are deleting posts, and THAT is also 1 way from the 20 what hurt this coin, only thing what is allowed are positive lies. It should be allowed to speak out this words, we dont live in year 1500 with dictators
- Release from this navajocoin ( dont forget before this was sum 1 and sum 2, so this coin is older then 3 months ) was good thanks to an whitepaper based on words and pictures, but now a few months later there is still 0 proofs about the anon transaction

It's defently clear that things need to be changed to save this coin, an coin is not only based on trust, its also based on proofs and results. Look at cannabiscoin ( no i dont advertise i just take an example ), dev's show results everyweek, they are making big business in the real world with this coin. It started with trust + proof, now they dont need trust because it's clear they can be trust. ( at top 60 for more then 1 month now is 1 of the 50 facts )

Again, i dont spam,troll or want to talk negative, i want to speak about facts AND i want to get this fixed. Why? because i still got a little bit trust in this coin. I hope this message wont get deleted, i dont want quotes with: then leave ( because some kids here are doing that all the time and that's something very, very bad )
What this coin need is the whitepaper worked out, after that the trust can MAYBE get fixed. If dev's are not in state of do that, they should make that clear to us. And not hold us on a tinny wire what can be break every second.

Hello Mate,

I'm not going to argue with you mate because you are right and you have the right to question because as I know you were and still a Navajo fan right from the beginning , but I do have to disagree on a few things and would like to point them because I speak from the heard not every dev can achieve what we have achieved right now and not every dev will be running a coin for this amount of period without a single financial input from the community and certainly nothing upfront or after when I was asked to take over SummerCoin which was an abandoned coin and turn it into something successful, you should be glad that the Foundation only asked for assistance very recently and even that in minute amounts and to help in goodwill said that , we have some of the most talented and amazing developers working on this. You are also forgetting that NavajoCoin is the only coin to have successfully mitigated a Double Spend attack without major ramifications and was able survive due to the talented developers and with supportive people like yourself , people should not be making such a fuss about asking the community to contribute in anyway , because the community was not asked to contributed till recently , the Developer had to survive off his financials and only asked the assistance of the help from the foundation recently and when he was really stuck , the community should have helped him earlier right from the beginning but I guess no one bothered nor cared but the developer kept on working on it because he loved all about it , it is not easy to create a coin , swap the old coins , use all your hardware , electricity and put in all the resources , your time and also getting spoken shit about the foundation asking help of the community to help the developer a bit , we are not talking about Anon and implementation of it and asking contribution in promise of it , these contributions should have been made by the community on their own if they really cared about the coin leaving aside their personal gains and when they made off 100Ks when NavajoCoin hit 2000 sats and now you are folding your sleeves just because the foundation asked help from the community when all most of them didn't care 2 shits (apart from most of the investors and great supporters of Navajo who always helped) about NavajoCoin but their own personal gain ofcourse , so tell me brother! Who is selfish now? (I'm not specifically pointing at you but since you brought up the question I'm asking you?)

As for the implementations and plans a concrete time-plan will be released in a few hours.

~SoopY~

Hey dude,

First of all, and then i go back to the last words u speak about selfish. My plans was to stick on this coin, to put all the hardware i had to get those coins ( that also cost electricity ), after the mining period i took all my bitcoins what i can miss for alt coins, i sold all other alt coins to get more reserve on bitcoins for get Navajo coins. All my actions was based on trust, this because there was no proofs of work ( i know about the situations from sum2 -> navajo what u did good, i know about the double spend what get worked out good, and not only me, but we are all thankfull for doing that, because it was an situation for almost an death coin )
I donated bitcoins aka euro's for getting navajocoins, i donated electricity for getting sum2/navajocoins. I donated nothing directly to the dev team, why? Because that's not fair at this time, i can not donate for something what is still not worked out. U can call that selfish, i call it normall.

Other dev teams earn donations after they showed the facts ( at least the fair dev's, again some are taking it by premines what will fail directly ). After the whitepaper is worked out, u guys get automaticly donations from everybody because u earned that. That is how donations work. I know it cost u time and electricity to work on this coin, but u knew that before u start develop for it. It's an hobby.
When i start a shop i need to spend money on it, later i earn it back because people love my goods (anon transaction etc) and shop ( coin ) and my employees and myself ( dev team ), after that i earn money.
Only different between an shop in reall life and a coin is that when i open a new shop i have a bank what give me money for realise that, and in the cryptoworld there is no bank what give u money for start your job.

Ofcourse it's your right to ask for donations when u need it, but in my eyes it was not good to ask for donations in this situation. People are pissed / angry because there are still no results from the whitepaper, and in the middle of this bad situation dev team is asking for donations. Then you can call me selfish, but that's not right.

Everyday i look at this forum in the hope to see some good downloadable things what will change everything.

What you say now: As for the implementations and plans a concrete time-plan will be released in a few days. i really cant wait to see this, this things makes me happy over and over again. But i'm aware of getting dissapointed.

I also dont like it to talk bad to u guys, because i'm 99% in reall life your a bunch of good guys. But i want to get things done, i want to speak out what i see what is going on, i want that this coin will be succesfull, not only in price, but also in this world. Just like bitcoin is doing, i want that navajocoin is the anon version from it.
Ofcourse i will donate some bitcoins to u guys when everything is going well with this coin. I'm not a type of person what donate in bad situations ( its good if people do that, i dont tell them to dont do it) i'm just a type what will donate for facts and results. But that's not selfish, that's how i look at against this and everything in the world.

Example, i use spybot search and destroy since the begin, i never had any problems with it. It was free to download they dont ask money for it, BUT there is a choice to donate money, first 2-3 years i used it without donations, till i saw it's just doing his job and i donate every year some euro's, because they earn that.
816  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Navajo Coin [NAV] - *Messaging System BETA Started* on: September 24, 2014, 04:44:09 AM
Who said to the Moon Grin

First of all its good that dev's are still doing things for this coin, that's for sure.. BUT, this coin will not go to the moon because sync problems are fixed after 3 months.. (also coins on marketcap placed on #400 have a working syncing wallet, they are on the moon? no.)
The only thing what can save this coin are the anon transactions, the whitepaper was good ( we also saw that on the currency market, we were on place 40 on coinmarketcap! ) but after all the delays, no eta's and etc about the anon transaction this coin is not even listed on the first page ( top 100 ), everyday i look at the price it's only dropping. And THAT are facts.

I still got a little, verry little trust in this coin. BUT if u look at the facts, u can call me stupid to have that.

Only thing we have is an coin + wallet with nothing special. Just an ordinairy coin like 99% of the rest. When u say here: to the moon, ofc the investors don't care, they wont make buy orders because of that, they wont make buy orders because sync should be finally fixed. Other coins, without this big community fix sync issues in 1 max 2 days.

Crying about donations is also something bad, all dev's who start coins without (hidden) premines know its an hobby project. AND they deserve and earn donations by showing results.
Here its an other situation, dev's are asking for donations in BTC before even making results. Not any lamp is flashing now? Again i will repeat the facts:
- price is getting lower everyday
- there is nothing anon (except an anon BETA MESSAGE systems ofc nobody care..)
- There is no cryptsy, no polinex
- There is no linux wallet ( all coins, even noob dev's have this on release Smiley )
- Last promise: big news from monday this week, and what is the news? hahaha sync is maybe fixed.
- Promises created 1 month ago a pump, ofc followed by dumps, any lamp is flashing now?
- Lot of big investors has leaved this coin, because the trust is broken and can't be fixed, even with anon
- When you talk about facts, dev's are deleting posts, and THAT is also 1 way from the 20 what hurt this coin, only thing what is allowed are positive lies. It should be allowed to speak out this words, we dont live in year 1500 with dictators
- Release from this navajocoin ( dont forget before this was sum 1 and sum 2, so this coin is older then 3 months ) was good thanks to an whitepaper based on words and pictures, but now a few months later there is still 0 proofs about the anon transaction

It's defently clear that things need to be changed to save this coin, an coin is not only based on trust, its also based on proofs and results. Look at cannabiscoin ( no i dont advertise i just take an example ), dev's show results everyweek, they are making big business in the real world with this coin. It started with trust + proof, now they dont need trust because it's clear they can be trust. ( at top 60 for more then 1 month now is 1 of the 50 facts )

Again, i dont spam,troll or want to talk negative, i want to speak about facts AND i want to get this fixed. Why? because i still got a little bit trust in this coin. I hope this message wont get deleted, i dont want quotes with: then leave ( because some kids here are doing that all the time and that's something very, very bad )
What this coin need is the whitepaper worked out, after that the trust can MAYBE get fixed. If dev's are not in state of do that, they should make that clear to us. And not hold us on a tinny wire what can be break every second.

Edit: thanks package for showing screen about the working linux wallet!
817  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Navajo Coin [NAV] - *Messaging System BETA Started* on: September 22, 2014, 06:09:26 PM
Have the ability to do not delete my post, can you tell me what time to update Linux wallet.
The problem for almost 2 months. There are always a few people like saying "navavjocoin future better". But the problem be consistent from beginning to end, never solve. Have a look your work efficiency will know that this is the result of coin. If you want to stop my mouth, please tell me by the results, thank you.

Quoted for truth.  Never delete.


@yuhang87412533
Your post were deleted becouse there was no question, no suggestion, nothing, only fud.
Here You asked a direct question and thing we can discuss.
So answering to You, like soopy stated on Sunday - sync fix will be released this week.
Hopefully that answer satisfies You mate Wink
Cheers


I read message that we could expect good news Monday (today) .. The good news was About the sync issues again?
If at the end of this week there is no Linux wallet, no cryptsy, no anon transaction and no Polinex i Will make a huge dump.
Im sick of all the delays since juli (3months ago) i lose money everyday on this coin. And not just 100euro, no i lost thousands, pure because i was to good and got to much trust on this coin
818  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][TRS] TrustCoin | Scrypt | POW/POS | Launch 2 August 2014 on: September 21, 2014, 11:48:30 AM

worked for me.  I did require a restart at those blocks you mentioned but it is all synced up now.

Well, the main problem is resolved, will soon be a small fix for POS generation.

wel syncing here is just good, only still that pos i dunno sometimes it works good, ( at begin ) but 1-2 hours later i get no stake anymore.

Anyway, good to see active dev's!

Ah i updated the wallet,now sync stuck at block 8488 and got 0 coins in wallet ( ofc i updates wallet.dat)
819  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Navajo Coin [NAV] - *Messaging System BETA Started* on: September 20, 2014, 07:57:39 AM
Guys I don't want to be negative as I have been a supporter for some time but I cannot ignore how fricken uncomfortable I am with all the nonstop requests of donations for soopy!!

I understand he is having a hard time financially, but you ask for money from a community that is sitting far in the red with their investment and are waiting for release of tech and updates from the guy you are asking money for.  I have been hit up in PMs and seen many requests here in the thread to "donate" money.

I personally invested in SOOPY and not in the coin itself.  That investment sits FAAAAAAR in the negative and yet I am being asked to donate while I am currently holding at a huge loss.  Am I the only one that sees a problem with this?!  Do you guys have any idea what constant requests of donations for the dev is going to look like to potential interested investors?

 Huh Huh Huh Huh

Hello Mate,

I understand your kind concerns and this is very much one of the rare occasions aside one other time earlier I have asked the help of the community which I'm very much grateful of and respect the same and also my heart-felt gratitude goes to everyone who supports and contributes to NavajoCoin and myself in everyway , but just want to point this out with all due respect is that did you ever think how I was managing all these for all these months without anything from the community? Smiley Working on this since SummerCoin and then SummerCoinV2 and then NavajoCoin and AnonBeta etc etc , I've not asked much from the community have I? , I've done all to manage things on my own and invest the same on the needed things from my own , from the offline projects I work on that also keeps me going and covers up my expenses , thus is how I invest my time and resources on NavajoCoin without the direct and complete support from the Community and thus not troubling your exerting pressure nor relay on community support entirely the only times the foundation as well as myself requested contributions from the community were when things were at their worst and I'm all spent on them and just to cover a small part of the cake and you all have made a point to contribute and help in one way or another to achieve what was needed for that I myself as well as the Foundation is very grateful of and would like to show our appreciation , we have a wonderful community right in front of us and for me that is what makes me move forward not very much the monetary values thus I work for the love of the game and in passion , thus make me different from other Developers because they wouldn't have lasted this long.

Last but not least I just want to say that starting from Monday , the entire week is going to be very interesting , just have your space suits ready.

Love & Light and Always! Smiley

~SoopY~

Hi soopy, what will start Monday? Is that the anon ( named navajo tech ) transaction function?
820  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: █║║▌║█[ANN] ROSCOIN [ROS] - X11 - Launch 9/19 9GMT - ICO CLOSED! ║█║▌║║█ on: September 19, 2014, 06:46:47 PM
what a scam walks in this world...

Please dont talk about scam in this thread, people will think this coin is an scam, and it's not.

The scam is a totally other topic, people are talking about an other thread on this forum, not this 1.

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