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8161  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2021, 04:10:59 PM

It's actually an electric furnace which heats water supplied to wet radiators (with hot water coming from a completely different electric immersion heater) - there is no gas in my rural location. It was installed many years before I bought the house and there seem to be hardly any of them around. I think it probably dates back to the early 1990s. There has been some kind of electrical overloading which has fried at least one, maybe all three, of the internal relays. There's also no guarantee that the element itself hasn't gone too. The manufacturer no longer exists and a search online for known spare part numbers has proved fruitless. So I could spend ages trying to source spare parts; and/or pay 100s for a call-out and repair fee with no guarantee of success; or buy an equivalent modern replacement furnace.


This is the kind of thing where parts continue to be available forever and they are often interchangeable (standard) so it's probably worth to keep investigating a bit more. It just depends which of the bits are broken. When you say relay, do you mean thermostat? Or is it part of the pumping system?

I've now found that the three relays are indeed fried, along with some associated wiring, but I've now taken one of the relays out so I can see exactly what type it is:

image loading...

And you're absolutely right Richy, they seem to very standard and still available, such as https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/non-latching-relays/2452087. So, I'm off to get three of them.....

I wish I knew more about electrical stuff. And lots of other things....

It looks like the coil connections show these burning/heat traces, that should not be as bad as when the conducting contacts look like that (when like this relay the pole/throw contact is rated at 30A@230V). That can happen when the coil gets too much voltage and the insulation between the coil wires burns out, hence reducing resistance and overheating until it's no more a coil but only a short with thin wires.
Though the negative side is, that power probably comes from a controller somewhere that decides when to power the furnace/heating element. It could well be that the controller itself setting those relays is damaged as well.

I assume your fuse blew from the incident when the relay burnt out like that, otherwise I would probably try to consult a professional electrician, if you just replace the relays then, things could go wrong in a much more bad way the second time, because burning wires in walls can really ruin your whole day.

Ofcourse thicker wires are always a good idea, though generally if the wiring is not too old and the fuse blew when the relay burnt out, the wiring should have enough spare capacity to not get damaged in any way. I agree with MoA here, if the wiring is not pre WWWII and the electrician who installed it is not a criminal twat and the fuse actually blew then there is no reason at all to be concerned about the wiring (at least not more than any other day).

And yeah, if you are not feeling confident changing the relays and switching the thing back on (meaning having an explanation on what went wrong in the first place), get the help of an electrician. With 230V or higher you often get only one single time to fuck things seriously up,
If you decide to go ahead anyway, do not just switch off the fuse that you think powers the furnace, measure that things have no more voltage before sticking your fingers in it. I mean it, a wrongly labelled fuse can kill you if you don't check. (i.e. Don't trust, verify!)

I have found in my life that I am pretty good in tolerating electric shocks but I got plenty of lucky occasions where some godness decided to warn me with flying sparks that I am about to touch a deadly powered contact, wire or whatever.

Be careful and good luck!


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 I did a really good one with a 48 inch florescent bulb/tube. I replaced 3 on a 4 tube light went to do the 4th one all hot as it is easy to see the light is working. It was hot I was sweating. I had trouble fitting the 4th tube and getting it to light. So I was twisting it in and my left hand was close to the end near the socks and my right hand was close to the other socket. My hands were sweaty. I ran the power across my chest and felt it contract my heart.

Basically I paddled my chest/heart. About the worst way to shock yourself. Good electrical system in my heart or I would not be writing this as I type.  I no longer do any work on energized circuits.  Fool me once okay but not twice.
8162  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2021, 03:09:01 PM

It's actually an electric furnace which heats water supplied to wet radiators (with hot water coming from a completely different electric immersion heater) - there is no gas in my rural location. It was installed many years before I bought the house and there seem to be hardly any of them around. I think it probably dates back to the early 1990s. There has been some kind of electrical overloading which has fried at least one, maybe all three, of the internal relays. There's also no guarantee that the element itself hasn't gone too. The manufacturer no longer exists and a search online for known spare part numbers has proved fruitless. So I could spend ages trying to source spare parts; and/or pay 100s for a call-out and repair fee with no guarantee of success; or buy an equivalent modern replacement furnace.


This is the kind of thing where parts continue to be available forever and they are often interchangeable (standard) so it's probably worth to keep investigating a bit more. It just depends which of the bits are broken. When you say relay, do you mean thermostat? Or is it part of the pumping system?

I've now found that the three relays are indeed fried, along with some associated wiring, but I've now taken one of the relays out so I can see exactly what type it is:

image loading...

And you're absolutely right Richy, they seem to very standard and still available, such as https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/non-latching-relays/2452087. So, I'm off to get three of them.....

I wish I knew more about electrical stuff. And lots of other things....

... that looks like you've had a quite substantial power surge or some other over-current situation and close to a fire even, it's quite likely fuses will be blown and other electrical bits might be blown/melted also

... you need an electrician to check the wiring if you're not confident doing electrical work, you don't need a plumber

... it's odd that it has been working fine since 1990 to get such a dramatic failure, maybe you had a lightning strike?

... or if these relays are controlling the power to the main heating element then that might be blown or shorted which caused the overcurrent that fried these relays but the fuses should have blown first and protected these

.... if these relays control the circulation pump then that could be blown also which caused the overcurrent but then same as above, fuses should have protected the relays

... unless it was lightning strike or power surge from the grid (how stable is the power in your area?) then something deeper is amiss ...

.... don't listen to these guys saying to replace the wiring which is a big job for an amateur, not a quick fix,  you just need to either to get this running again so you don't freeze or replace the whole system as you said earlier

... my advice at this point is get an electrician asap, doesn't need to be heating specialist even

He could get one.

He also could see a few dozen YouTube videos and swap out the 3-5 wires and the relays.

It is hard to tell what's wrong since these heaters/furnaces are running a long time to get the house warm.

If it ran for 1990 to 2021.  and the gear was 100.0005% overloaded it will take years of run time and the gear will fail.

I mine a lot hundreds of units. Varied mixed gear. The gear can work fine and is loaded to %70 which should never fail due to over load.

But the voltage supplied from the street could drop to 204 or 200 volts rather than 230/240 this will stress all components and over load wires.

If he is  a 120 volt system he could have a voltage drop to 100 or 105 volts.

This will stress all parts wires relays etc.

And you get meltdown.

So if he replaces relays and alters wires from 18 gauge to 16 gauge. This would end over heating.

Of course could be some other unknown issue. So an electrical guy could be needed.
8163  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2021, 02:07:39 PM
lastly once you repair it.

buy more relays for the next time.

along with spare wire

and a crimping tool

put it all in a tool bag near the furnace.

old gear is like that.

i had to repair my 22 year old gas furnace three times in five years.

wont even begin to say how often i repaired the dodge slant six engine. in my 1976 car.

same shit would break over and over every 15k miles
8164  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2021, 01:33:15 PM
Quote
https://twitter.com/Cointelegraph/status/1463366530733727747?




The $46.8 billion Aussie retirement savings fund Rest Super has said it is working to provide crypto exposure to its members under its diversified portfolio.

...



Looks like some good news here.

I wonder if 4 cycles will slowly vanish or morph into other patterns.


Other news

https://twitter.com/i/events/1463434373861044224

this will be an attempt to alter  asteroid path.


Please connect some dots.

Musk
Bezos
Nasa

Altering asteroid path

Psyche
Gold
BTC





I am at 64 years old I need to get to say 94 to see those dots connected. 

But mark my words Gold will drop in value and BTC will take it over = connected Dots.
8165  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2021, time for a new general & diff speculation thread... on: November 24, 2021, 03:43:36 AM
yeah eth asic makes more $ per watt
and ltc/doge asic makes more $ per watt
then btc asic
heck even gpu eth makes more $ per watt

so that is interlinked
power available for a big player ie bitmain.

pretend they have 20 megawatts

they can build a s19 and sell it for 3000 at a profit we got one for that price direct from them.
they can build a l7 and sell it at ?  most likely 3000  yeah they sell it for way more

they can build a e11 and sell it at ? most likely 3000 yeah they sell it for way more

so if all three burn 3 kwatts

the s19 makes 34 a day pre power
the L7 makes 170 a day pre power
the e11 makes 140 a day pre power.

say you have limited chips and you built 3000 of each unit

you can mine the 3000 L7
you can mine the 3000 e11

and you sell the 3000 s19 at a stupid high price.

so the s19 sell slow the diff jumps slow and you rack up 🆙 mining the other gear.

this is in play somewhat due to limits on power and on chips.

and it works for me😊
8166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2021, 03:27:19 AM
They want a race war.

This is not a race war.

This is communists taking advantage of those who cannot think well for themselves.

With the perpetrator bonding out for $1,000, I have grave concerns with the trajectory this country is on the precipice of navigating.

whats worse is he runs a person down with a truck gets out on 1000 bail is allowed to keep the truck

which he uses again to kill at least six and wound another 8  (not sure of toll).

Pretty much the same as I cut my girlfriend with a knife and you let me keep the very same knife while out on bail.

There are so many things wrong with the prosecution not grabbing the car as evidence and of course letting bail be 1000.

8167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 23, 2021, 08:41:08 PM
How many acres you have?
Are you in a state that will promo solar?

Ie 200 acres for crops could have 10 acres set for solar if you are in the right state.

10 acres for solar could be 2 megawatts which translate to about 333 kwatts 24/7/365 if you can grid tie.

depends on the state you are in.

1200 acres of row crops, and 100 acres of woods.

Yeah you certainly have the room. The question is what programs does your state have.


We have

 a 45kwatt array  on a commercial building
 a 115kwatt array on a 3 acre property part ground mount part on a barn part on a home.
 a 350kwatt array in progress on a warehouse complex that house our main mining farm.

on grid tie setups take the full power number divide by 5 to 6 to get the 24/7/365 number

so

45+115+350= 510/5 = 102 to 510/6 = 85

so they will range 85-102 kwatt 24/7/365 average depending on a rainy year vs a dry year.


so 85 x 24 x 365 = 744600 to  102 x 24 x 365 = 893520

744600 kwatts is 29,784 usd a year at 4 cents 595568 usd at 8 cents.  and at current btc mining of 18 cents  134028 usd

893520 is 35740 4 cents 71481 cent and at current btc mining of 18 cents  160833

I use 4 cents as the power company will pay 4 cents for your power
I use 8 cents as you are allowed to sell to you neighbor at 8 cents

the 18 cents is tricky a kwatt will run an s9 at 11th  11th earns 3.52 /24 = 14.67 cents  so all s9's will do only 14.67 cents not 18 cents.  but an s17 will do 50 th at 2 kwatts or 16 / 48 = 33.33 cents earnings per kwatt

so if you have some s9 and some s17 and average 14.67 with 33.33 you get  18  cents or more or less. In our case we are more likely earning 25 cents for each kwatt we burn.

which means next year when we build all the solar we will earn about 223380 for the solar power we generate. this excludes all government subsidies.

The small arrays are paid off. The big one will finish in the spring of 2022 and with luck pay off in 4-8 years.

Unless we get a monster runup.

Good insight into solar power and real life figures applied to your mining operation and profitability at current prices.

What is the likely capital outlay of your 350Kw installation?


 


700k to 1mill . 

Large flux in price is due to export/import taxes on the panels.

Also I am not including subsidies and tax credits.

We got very lucky with the 115kwatt build we did it in 2016 and the 2017 run up paid it off in under 2 years.

So this Runup finally convince out warehouse guy to do the large install at his set of warehouses in clifton.

2022 should be good for us

8168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 23, 2021, 07:34:43 PM


Looks more blue than green. for shame.

edit I see someone has fixed it nice work homer
8169  Economy / Economics / Re: Fed will shrink liquitity on: November 23, 2021, 07:31:55 PM
The Fed has already begun to reduce its bond-buying program from about $120 billion a month, so the pandemic required some extraordinary measures.
Liquidity is a problem in normal cases but people need to pay and back to normal life.
Inflection will be at 13% for some years but it will back to 4% at the end of 2025

Hmmm I do not think they want years of inflation.

 I lived in the Nixon Ford Carter times 5-10% every year.

But I do think the issue is that everyone in the world see that the USA goes in the hole almost every year without fail.


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https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-us-federal-budget-deficit-3321439

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By Tom Murse
Updated July 26, 2021
The budget deficit is the difference between the money the federal government takes in, called receipts, and what it spends, called outlays each year. The U.S. government has run a multibillion-dollar deficit almost every year in modern history, spending much more than it takes in.


The opposite of a budget deficit, a budget surplus, occurs when the government’s revenue exceeds current expenditures resulting in an excess of money that can be used as needed.

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In fact, the government has recorded budget surpluses in only five years since 1969, most of them under Democratic President Bill Clinton.

 In all-too-rare times when revenue equals spending, the budget is called “balanced.”

Adds to National Debt
Running a budget deficit adds to the national debt and, in the past, has forced Congress to increase the debt ceiling under numerous presidential administrations, both Republican and Democrat, to allow the government to meet its statutory obligations.

Although federal deficits have shrunk markedly in recent years, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that under current law increased spending for Social Security and major health care programs, like Medicare, along with increasing interest costs will cause the national debt to rise steadily over the long term.

The larger deficits would cause federal debt to grow faster than the economy. By 2040, the CBO projects, the national debt will be more than 100% of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and continue on an upward path— “a trend that cannot be sustained indefinitely,” notes the CBO.


Notice particularly the sudden jump in the deficit from $162 billion in 2007, to $1.4 trillion in 2009. This increase was due primarily to spending for special, temporary government programs intended to re-stimulate the economy during the "great recession" of that period.

Budget deficits eventually tapered back down into the billions by 2013. But in August 2019, the CBO predicted the deficit would again surpass $1 trillion in 2020—three years earlier than it had originally expected.

Here is the actual and projected budget deficit or surplus by fiscal year, according to CBO data for modern history.

2029 - $1.4 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2028 - $1.5 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2027 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2026 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2025 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2024 - $1.2 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2023 - $1.2 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2022 - $1.2 trillion budget deficit (projected)

2021 - $1 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2020 - $3.3 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2019 - $960 billion budget deficit (projected)
2018 - $779 billion budget deficit
2017 - $665 billion budget deficit
2016 - $585 billion budget deficit
2015 - $439 billion budget deficit
2014 - $514 billion budget deficit
2013 - $719 billion budget deficit
2012 - $1.1 trillion budget deficit
2011 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
2010 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
2009 - $1.4 trillion budget deficit
2008 - $455 billion budget deficit
2007 - $162 billion budget deficit
2006 - $248.2 billion budget deficit
2005 - $319 billion budget deficit
2004 - $412.7 billion budget deficit
2003 - $377.6 billion budget deficit
2002 - $157.8 billion budget deficit
2001 - $128.2 billion budget surplus
2000 - $236.2 billion budget surplus
1999 - $125.6 billion budget surplus
1998 - $69.3 billion budget surplus

1997 - $21.9 billion budget deficit
1996 - $107.4 billion budget deficit
1995 - $164 billion budget deficit
1994 - $203.2 billion budget deficit
1993 - $255.1 billion budget deficit
1992 - $290.3 billion budget deficit
1991 - $269.2 billion budget deficit
1990 - $221 billion budget deficit
1989 - $152.6 billion budget deficit
1988 - $155.2 billion budget deficit
1987 - $149.7 billion budget deficit
1986 - $221.2 billion budget deficit
1985 - $212.3 billion budget deficit
1984 - $185.4 billion budget deficit
1983 - $207.8 billion budget deficit
1982 - $128 billion budget deficit
1981 - $79 billion budget deficit
1980 - $73.8 billion budget deficit
1979 - $40.7 billion budget deficit
1978 - $59.2 billion budget deficit
1977 - $53.7 billion budget deficit
1976 - $73.7 billion budget deficit
1975 - $53.2 billion budget deficit
 1974 - $6.1 billion budget deficit
1973 - $14.9 billion budget deficit
1972 - $23.4 billion budget deficit
1971 - $23 billion budget deficit
1970 - $2.8 billion budget deficit
1969 - $3.2 billion budget surplus


very few good years and by the very nature of this going on and on and on inflation will occur.

BTW this is a bit old so the numbers from 2019 on are suspect. But are all in the hole.
8170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Brand new coins for mining on: November 23, 2021, 04:17:41 AM
Pick 2 coins

Say BTC and XEC
mine 95% on BTC and 5% on XEC.

or  if you do gpu

Eth and any bullshit coin (pick it out of a hat)
Mine 95% on eth and 5% on bullshit coin.

the key is you make bank on the BTC coin and the ETH coin

the odd coin you Mine and hodl it. and you set up ladder sales

what is a ladder sale look here what I do with xec

I mine 1 unit on xec I have earned 7,200,000 Xec
I have 1,800,000 set in ladder sales
I mine lots of units on BTC
I make my bank on BTC
I have zero Idea that XEC will whale but if it does I make a shit ton of money.
I can do this for a few years if I want.
8171  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 23, 2021, 04:03:55 AM
How many acres you have?
Are you in a state that will promo solar?

Ie 200 acres for crops could have 10 acres set for solar if you are in the right state.

10 acres for solar could be 2 megawatts which translate to about 333 kwatts 24/7/365 if you can grid tie.

depends on the state you are in.

1200 acres of row crops, and 100 acres of woods.

Yeah you certainly have the room. The question is what programs does your state have.


We have

 a 45kwatt array  on a commercial building
 a 115kwatt array on a 3 acre property part ground mount part on a barn part on a home.
 a 350kwatt array in progress on a warehouse complex that house our main mining farm.

on grid tie setups take the full power number divide by 5 to 6 to get the 24/7/365 number

so

45+115+350= 510/5 = 102 to 510/6 = 85

so they will range 85-102 kwatt 24/7/365 average depending on a rainy year vs a dry year.


so 85 x 24 x 365 = 744600 to  102 x 24 x 365 = 893520

744600 kwatts is 29,784 usd a year at 4 cents 595568 usd at 8 cents.  and at current btc mining of 18 cents  134028 usd

893520 is 35740 4 cents 71481 cent and at current btc mining of 18 cents  160833

I use 4 cents as the power company will pay 4 cents for your power
I use 8 cents as you are allowed to sell to you neighbor at 8 cents

the 18 cents is tricky a kwatt will run an s9 at 11th  11th earns 3.52 /24 = 14.67 cents  so all s9's will do only 14.67 cents not 18 cents.  but an s17 will do 50 th at 2 kwatts or 16 / 48 = 33.33 cents earnings per kwatt

so if you have some s9 and some s17 and average 14.67 with 33.33 you get  18  cents or more or less. In our case we are more likely earning 25 cents for each kwatt we burn.

which means next year when we build all the solar we will earn about 223380 for the solar power we generate. this excludes all government subsidies.

The small arrays are paid off. The big one will finish in the spring of 2022 and with luck pay off in 4-8 years.

Unless we get a monster runup.
8172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Top 20 days for Bitcoin on: November 23, 2021, 01:12:53 AM
Well the 60k streak was busted a few days ago. 11-17 to be exact .  But we are still knocking out those 54k numbers.  only 4 left

  97  2021-03-24  54,908  |  
  98  2021-10-09  54,870  |  
  99  2021-04-28  54,821  |  
 100  2021-10-08  54,709  |


I think we knocked one of them out today which will get us to 3 left.

We have 40 at 60k or more

So we stand a shot to add to that since there are 39 days left to the year.
8173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Review T-REX - PhoenixMiner - NBMiner - LolMiner - TRM - Gminer - TBM on: November 22, 2021, 06:57:05 PM
real tests are next to impossible to do.

but here goes. same rig in all case

use any software 1 mine eth to viabtc with a rig for 10 hours see what you earn

use any software 2 mine eth to viabtc with a rig for 10 hours see what you earn

use any software 3 mine eth to viabtc with a rig for 10 hours see what you earn


more in a minute.

a dag changes every 100 hours

so you can do 9 software tests. 10 hours each
8174  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2021, 04:11:31 PM

This is someone making excuses for being a no-coiner and trying to dissuade others from getting into Bitcoin by suggesting it requires special skills and knowledge of how it works.
Austrian School of Economics (insert laugh or snigger here)....
This Early - I've been in since $67

I'm a farmer for fucks sake.

Special skills - rearing livestock, growing crops, shooting a 3" group at 500 yds.

Simply buy at any price whenever you have spare fiat, and hodl.

Interesting to see a few 'real' farmers here, not just hobby guys into BTC. I am fourth generation farmer, corn/wheat/beans/cattle. I have the appropriate skillsets also, Farmer Bill. We have seen a few hobby farmers that would putter on a few acres, but had a job in town. Our saying used to be "If you're not making a living from it, it's just a hobby farm". 

Nothing wrong with having fun in the dirt, but it's not the same as decades of debt, and your income dependent on weather/govts/animals.

Takes a fellow farmer to know, debt, no guarantee of income, 365 days a year, (livestock do not recognize weekends or Christmas day).
Fighting livestock to get a drench down their throat, growing crops with an ever dwindling number of treatments available to fight pests and diseases. Ever changing legislation.

Would I change this? not for anything, it is a way of life rather than a job.

I like the constant challenge.

I missed listing one skill - how to skin a turd.

You cannot waste money like a government official and need to do your own repairs, maintenance and be inventive.

Hopefully my Bitcoin will allow the farm to stay intact when I die, with one of my offspring taking on the farm and the other two taking their share of inheritance in Bitcoin.

Hobby farms seem a big thing in Europe, with heavy subsidies to keep nonviable small farms working to prevent depopulation of rural areas. So an engineer may work in a factory, but milk a few cows or goats before and after their days work.

Good luck to the hobby farmers, there seems a lot of people have a need for some contact with the land, even on such a small scale as growing a kitchen garden, or a few plants to smoke as many on this forum seem to do.













How many acres you have?

Are you in a state that will promo solar?

Ie 200 acres for crops could have 10 acres set for solar if you are in the right state.

10 acres for solar could be 2 megawatts which translate to about 333 kwatts 24/7/365 if you can grid tie.

depends on the state you are in.

Casually looked into this for a 5 acre installation generating 1 megawatt cost >$2.0m.

And decided against it.




 

A lot depends of the state and how they structure subsidies.

Some states suck some are good.
8175  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2021, 03:35:13 PM

This is someone making excuses for being a no-coiner and trying to dissuade others from getting into Bitcoin by suggesting it requires special skills and knowledge of how it works.
Austrian School of Economics (insert laugh or snigger here)....
This Early - I've been in since $67

I'm a farmer for fucks sake.

Special skills - rearing livestock, growing crops, shooting a 3" group at 500 yds.

Simply buy at any price whenever you have spare fiat, and hodl.

Interesting to see a few 'real' farmers here, not just hobby guys into BTC. I am fourth generation farmer, corn/wheat/beans/cattle. I have the appropriate skillsets also, Farmer Bill. We have seen a few hobby farmers that would putter on a few acres, but had a job in town. Our saying used to be "If you're not making a living from it, it's just a hobby farm". 

Nothing wrong with having fun in the dirt, but it's not the same as decades of debt, and your income dependent on weather/govts/animals.

Takes a fellow farmer to know, debt, no guarantee of income, 365 days a year, (livestock do not recognize weekends or Christmas day).
Fighting livestock to get a drench down their throat, growing crops with an ever dwindling number of treatments available to fight pests and diseases. Ever changing legislation.

Would I change this? not for anything, it is a way of life rather than a job.

I like the constant challenge.

I missed listing one skill - how to skin a turd.

You cannot waste money like a government official and need to do your own repairs, maintenance and be inventive.

Hopefully my Bitcoin will allow the farm to stay intact when I die, with one of my offspring taking on the farm and the other two taking their share of inheritance in Bitcoin.

Hobby farms seem a big thing in Europe, with heavy subsidies to keep nonviable small farms working to prevent depopulation of rural areas. So an engineer may work in a factory, but milk a few cows or goats before and after their days work.

Good luck to the hobby farmers, there seems a lot of people have a need for some contact with the land, even on such a small scale as growing a kitchen garden, or a few plants to smoke as many on this forum seem to do.













How many acres you have?

Are you in a state that will promo solar?

Ie 200 acres for crops could have 10 acres set for solar if you are in the right state.

10 acres for solar could be 2 megawatts which translate to about 333 kwatts 24/7/365 if you can grid tie.

depends on the state you are in.
8176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2021, 02:02:01 PM
I think buddy wants a sandwich.

Eggs
sundried tomatoes
cheddar cheese
BROOKLYN BILTONG
sweet peppers
onions
ciabatta roll
This should do the trick for the lift. Grin
8177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2021, 02:00:37 PM
OT: I live in an America where, at the American Music Awards, a band that is not even remotely American wins artist of the year.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/american-music-awards-crown-south-korean-band-bts-artist-of-the-year

What a sad fkn joke this country has become.  Roll Eyes

It is a fan contest and they are allowed to vote for whomever they want.
So they voted for a Korean boy band.
Your logic if extended would mean the Beatles would not have been able to win.
A British boy band.
If there was a vote in the 60's I would have had zero issue for them to win.


I have far more issue with allowing people to sneak into the country and saying it is okay.

Even having sanctuary cities.  Seems to be a bigger issue.

But what do I know not much.
8178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2021, 04:10:38 AM
I will stay up ⬆️ for about an hour. I may get some more dip.
8179  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2021, 02:47:15 AM
Got more dip

57k better than 58k
8180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2021, 01:35:27 AM
People getting set for Black Friday? Hoping to get those Christmas presents in before inflation puts them through the roof and Biden's supply chain leaves the shelves empty? Someone needed an XL turkey?

Hoping to get a good amount of coin 🪙 for next week.

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