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821  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: August 26, 2023, 07:47:23 PM
Of course, this was a disappointing day for Arsenal and their supporters. Imagine, instead of being able to defend the victory when winning 2-1 over their opponent who played with 10 players, Arsenal actually conceded the second goal which made them have to accept the bitter reality because they drew 2-2 at visiting Fulham.
Yes, it's quite shame Arsenal have to share points with Fulham. Even though they played very dominating and attacking. Just look at how many times Arsenal have carried out attacks that can be considered quite dangerous for Fulham. but unfortunately, it still continues to fail. Especially when Fulham only played with 10 players. Arsenal were unable to take advantage of this moment to add to the goal. In fact, on the contrary, the counterattack from Fulham actually made a goal for them even with just 10 players. This is really disappointing.

Anyway, Tottenham is increasingly consistent with their performance. They were pretty good at ending the game against Bournemouth by not giving them a chance to score any goals. Tottenham's 0 - 2 victory over Bournemouth made Tottenham look better from time to time. however, this is just the start of a very early season, it would be great if Tottenham remained consistent to always excel in every game optimally. But, this may not be easy because there will be many more difficult matches in the future that should be faced.
822  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin holder are not maximizing the bitcoin potential on: August 26, 2023, 07:36:23 PM
It's interesting to note that many Bitcoin holders might not be fully capitalizing on the inherent volatility of this digital asset. The Bitcoin market can undergo price fluctuations of around 3 to 4 times in a single day, which offers ample opportunities for those who choose to engage in active trading.
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And in addition I think its right time that everyone that's interested in bitcoin should also start learning about trading since it gives a good opportunity for anyone to earn off bitcoin. What do y'all think bout this ?

Yes, because they are indeed holders, so they will hold Bitcoin as long as they want. And they believe that the value of Bitcoin will continue to increase within a certain period of time. Everyone has their own choice of Bitcoin. Precisely by holding them, they can optimally use Bitcoin. Instead of forcing yourself to do trading even though you can't afford to do it. Every activity related to Bitcoin has its own risk. Maybe you can optimize Bitcoin by trading. But with a fairly high risk, what if it's the other way around? Isn't optimizing the potential of Bitcoin actually according to its abilities and strategies? And if you really want to be optimal, ideally it should be using Bitcoin as a legal tender. however, this is not an easy matter in all parts of the world because it is limited by various regulations within the country.
823  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: August 26, 2023, 07:31:12 PM
Unfortunately, in the end Atalanta couldn't get any points in that match against Frosinone. It was really sad that they lost, even though Atalanta should have been able to win although they were playing away. Because based on statistics, Atalanta is not too bad either, they are better rather than the home team. This is really surprising, I personally did not expect such a disappointing result from Atalanta today.
Exactly, this was very surprising to see the result of the match Frosinone vs Atalanta. It seems that Atalanta was a little surprised by how the newcomer looked in Serie A. Indeed, statistically, Atalanta is quite good at positioning the ball. However, Frosinone played quite aggressively from the start. What's more, they managed to take the lead in the 5th minute. This might surprise the Atalanta players a little. Until they were still behind 2 - 0 in the first half. Zapata's goal in the second half was only able to reduce the distance, but in the end Atalanta had to admit Frosinone's advantage until the end with a score of 2 - 1.

Looks like Verona is playing pretty well starting this season. After winning against Empoli in the first game yesterday, they are currently still leading 1 - 0 against Roma. Roma did a lot of attacks, but they were thwarted by Verona quite well. Ah, what's wrong with Rome, B.Conti must immediately carry out the most appropriate strategy so that the lag can be immediately caught up and passed.
824  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: August 25, 2023, 09:48:03 PM
Celta Vigo almost got 1 goal in 5 minutes, but VAR thwarted it,
Yes, it's quite thrilling when you see their game in the early minutes. Pretty impressive. And throughout the match, Celta Vigo also carried out various attacks, and even if you look at the statistics, they even had quite a number of attacks. Although in ball possession they are quite behind. However, still lose. Here, Real Madrid was able to optimize the full point again thanks to a goal from Bellingham. It's not in vain that Real Madrid spent a lot of money to bring him to Real Madrid.
825  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Current scare affect the decision making of starters. on: August 25, 2023, 09:43:21 PM
Can't blame starters to get scared about the current condition of bitcoin since no one like to see how the market move in negative direction but they should know that there are some ways that can make them avoid losses and that is.
It would be better for them to feel difficult and worried if they want to invest in crypto in the first place. Because, with this, they can be more alert and careful to decide whether they are really going to get into crypto or not. This could encourage them to prepare themselves better, regarding their understanding of crypto and also their mental readiness. Rather than a starter who only has reckless and courageous capital without having strong knowledge and mental readiness, and only with their high hopes. This is precisely what is sometimes worrying.
826  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I think we need to start asking people if...... on: August 25, 2023, 09:40:25 PM
I asked him if he will want cash, bank transfer or Bitcoin, to my surprise he answered Bitcoin, I don't take this very seriously because, you know, most people don't care about Bitcoin here, but he brought out his smartphone and told me to scan the QR CODE.
Bitcoin is for everyone in the world. Athough it sometimes makes us surprises, but nothng can limit who are in Bitcoin relation. Btw, itis very glad to see many morepeople are using Bitcin for any transaction. But yeah, this may be asked for first, because I amnot sure that in all areas, people are opened with their involvement in Bitcoin.So, this  can be one of the ways to ask itfirst r to have such kind of discussion about it to star.But, for me myself,it is quite difficult to start because Bitcoin is sometimes still connsidered as negative thing in my areas. and thie fact that Bitcoin is illegal if used as paymenet currency, this is why I am not starting any yet to askpeople about using Bitcoin for transaction
827  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: August 24, 2023, 09:52:50 PM
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That's what I thought too when Harry Kane left. When they played against Manchester United I had a feeling that that will be the game that tells us where Tottenham Hotspurs is at and whether they are able to replace Harry Kane good enough to still be taken seriously by teams like Manchester United. And there you go.  
Exactly,
although it may be just a matter of time how they can consistently maintain and improve their performance in the future. After all, the Premier League is a quite difficult league, because of the many big rival clubs in it.
September 24 will probably be a place to prove again how Tottenham will perform next because they will face Arsenal, which is also a big club. This will be quite an interesting match.

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The current manager of Tottenham Hotspur Ange Postecoglou has shown that he's a very skilled and experienced manager who can successfully bring out the best from his Tottenham squad without the presence of Harry Kane at the club. 
It makes sense.
As long as the coach can optimize all the performances and talents of each player and provide the right directions and tactics during the match, Tottenham can at least try to optimize. Ii might be more difficult later, but with the current condition of the players, the Tottenham squad is actually not bad either.
This is quite different from Chelsea, they still haven't been able to improve their performance properly in the early days of this match.
828  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Top altcoin that you won't buy anymore on: August 24, 2023, 09:45:38 PM
What is the name of that Top altcoin that you won't buy anymore?? Example: i Won't buy TRON(trx) anymore cause it makes me disappointed several time with its stable price since 2017
It may be Litecoin, TRX and also XLM.
I bought these coins before yesterday's bullish era. but they didn't even manage to reach high prices anymore and my target was not achieved, actually quite far. significantly again in the bullish era last season by beating their ATH by even more. but unfortunately, their price movements were quite slow and eventually they fell again like now. And I still keep them in the end. This is like an investment that is not promising enough  Grin Grin
829  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: August 24, 2023, 09:42:27 PM
The third match will be much more difficult where PSG must face Lens, Luis Enrique must be able to maximize the players he has and the third match must be a comeback for PSG to get full points. Mbappe and Dembele will be even more solid after going through some training and I'm sure that now they are united because they have adapted in the previous matches.
Unfortunately, yes.
Yes, they should. however, the draw in the first two games for PSG is not good enough. PSG has indeed experienced a slight decline in performance, perhaps due to the lack of good players there. And currently their performance is still unstable. There is some work that Enrique has to fix. The first two matches were failures, even though they didn't lose, PSG class should be able to get full points in those matches. It's probably still early in the season, so at least they still have plenty of opportunities to fix it and take the top position again as long as Enrique can make his whole team work optimally and ignore the skewed issues that might exist at his club.
830  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: This Will give you motivation to learn finances and market the right ways on: August 24, 2023, 09:35:52 PM
Everybody waiting for 15k or lower but i see heavy buy orders on 18-21k price. I call 19300$ lowest for the btc in the next one year time period.
And It seems like 35-40k highest price for btc.in the next 2 years.
Isn't what you're saying also part of speculation?  Grin Grin
Speculating is often done and done in this crypto world. But the difference is how to get the speculation. It is true that everything must be based on certain analysis and knowledge. especially related to the estimated price of Bitcoin.
But if you see your post speculating the price of Bitcoin will be under $20k again, isn't this a thing of the past?
And in terms of Bitcoin price going forward, if it goes through the halving and the bullish era, it will be even more than $40k you would bet. It could probably be more than ATH in the past. because this is speculation. However, several crypto enthusiasts also said this, based on graphic analysis. I don't know, we might speculate because nothing is 100% certain in the crypto world.
831  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: August 24, 2023, 09:30:40 PM
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I think Sane will stay in the Bavarian team for one more year and then if he wants to transfer, Bayern Munich will pave the way for him.
Seeing Leroy Sane's contribution at Bayern Munich, I think he will stay, especially since he is also German. Maybe we will see him being much more consistent this season with Bayern Munich and in the opening match of the Bundesliga he has scored 2 goals for Bayern Munich, so it is likely that he will continue to add to his collection of goals and assists later. Regarding Barcelona who are interested in signing him, I think it's quite impossible for now
That's it, it may become one of the reasons also that he still stays in the club.
 Maybe indeed Barcelona is one of the big clubs and many players want to go there, however, it seems that this season he is not interested. that's why he still wants to stay at the club. He did seem to have said that he was interested in going to Barcelona, but not this season. At least, he will still stay at Bayern until the contract ends. And only after that will he think about whether to continue to stay at the club or move to Barcelona.
Meanwhile, on the other hand, Barcelona is currently in dire need of a winger position as a replacement for Dembele. That's why they are still approaching him.
832  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins that you trust most on: August 23, 2023, 09:43:09 PM
There are thousands of altcoins in crypto market and each of coin has investors! Cause people have different choice from one to another.  People even invest in shitcoin to get rich quickly. So what are the names of your most 5 invested altcoins that you are holding or would like to invest soon??
5 most altcoins to trust most among others?
If you look at the list you have, maybe we have similarities in the first and second points. And I'm sure that most people will also choose the two coins, ETH and BNB. For now, these two are the top ones.
For the next list, I'm not really sure, but if to choose 3 more among the other altcoins:
maybe something like this would happen?
1.ETH
2. BNBs
3. Matic
4. THERE
5. XRP or I don't know, still confused.
because I also don't focus too much on investing in altcoins. I prefer to accumulate more in Bitcoin only.
833  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: August 23, 2023, 09:38:50 PM
Actually, Tottenham have surely shown that even without Harry Kane, they can perform well. Manchester United surprised me with their performance in the match. I didn't expect them to be poor like that. They did not put in any chemistry that will give people assurance that we can think they will play effectively this season.
Indeed, we could say that, maybe their performance has decreased quite a bit because after all their line of attack, especially their spearhead, is not as strong as Harry Kane. However, based on their first two matches, they looked quite solid and performed well. Especially against Man United, they looked quite impressive. I think Tottenham will have big difficulties against Man United, especially with the purchase of several Man United players who might also have an influence here, however, Tottenham can really handle it very well. even made Man United unable to score a goal at all even though they attacked several times
834  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: August 23, 2023, 09:34:15 PM
Wait a minute, is Real Madrid also experiencing financial difficulties at the moment? I guess this is bad news about them, but I'm not sure about that. The way Real Madrid are signing players does not reflect that they are in a bad financial situation, but perhaps Real Madrid are starting to save money for Ancelotti's last season with them.
I think if Real Madrid were not experiencing financial difficulties. However, the Club may only do certain budgeting by limiting finances for purchasing players not because of that kind of financial crisis. What's more, they have also spent a lot of money to bring in several young players at the start of the transfer market this season. So, they really have to manage their finances to stay balanced. Maybe this is a bit different from Barcelona where the club, even though they are experiencing a financial crisis, made quite a number of purchases, because they really need squads to rebuild. Maybe this is one of the differences between the club management of Real Madrid and Barcelona.

835  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Platform Exchanges Di Indonesia on: August 21, 2023, 09:57:28 PM
Entah apa yang ada dipikiran pihak Tokocrypto membuat proses WD  yang terkesan makin rumit, Aturan baru yang berlaku di Tokocrypto membuat penggunanya semakin tidak nyaman, begitulah pandangan saya dengan rule baru yang berlaku di Tokocrypto saat ini. Ane pernah iseng-iseng menukar BTC ke Fiat, ane di buat bingung disana karena tidak ada pilihan pair BTC/IDR. Penukaran harus dilakukan dari BTC ke BIDR atau USDT kemudian harus ditukar lagi ke IDR.
Memang ketika terjadi peralihan dari BIDR ke IDR untuk melakukan withdraw di Tokocrypto, ini cukup membuat para pengguna kaget dan agak bingung. Karena pastinya mereka awalnya sudah menukar BTC atau crypto mereka ke BIDR, dan akhirnya switch lagi ke IDR. Ini seperti membutuhkan 2 kali kerja.
Jika yang saya baca dari pengumuman  Tokocrypto News di sini memang perubahan ini dilakukan terkait adopsi kripto di negara kita ini, serta terkait dengan taat aturan dari pemerintah. Di artikel tersebut juga dijelaskan perbedaan antara BIDR dan juga IDR.

Mungkin memang ini terkait pembiasaan saja, nantinya ketika sudah terbiasa, ini akan menjadi terbiasa. Kalau saya pribadi, akan memilih pair BTC atau crypto lain ke USDT tersebih dahulu, baru ke IDR. Karena terkadang ini lebih menguntungkan. Ohya terkait transaksi ini, untuk saat ini memang fee transaksi ke IDR masih 0.0%, hanya dibebankan adanya pajak PPN atau PPh saja. Namun tidak menutup kemungkinan akan berubah nantinya.

Namun memang jika dikaitkan dengan kenyamanan di exchange mana, saya pikir setiap orang memiliki preferensi masing-masing. Setiap exchange pasti ada plus minusnya, dan hak kita untuk menentukan mana yang paling sesuai dengan kita. Terlebih memang, hal yang sudah terbiasa akan dirasa lebih nyaman dan ideal untuk dipilih dibandingkan dengan hal yang baru.
836  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: August 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM
I understand Barcelona's interest in Sane. Because they have newly lost Dembele and couldn't do anything about it as PSG activated his release clause.

Now they want to find a replacement for him before the end of the summer as it seems. But Sane would really not leave the team that easy. He is a valuable player for Bayern Munich above all else.
At least, this summer, Sane still wants to be at Bayern Munich. He said that he was not interested in moving to Barcelona, following Bayern's previous mainstay, Lewandowski. Bayern basically opens up opportunities for Barcelona if the agreed price is appropriate. However, it was Sane himself who did not want the move. I don't know about next season. Sane, it is undeniable that he is one of Bayern's mainstay wingers. His work at Bayern has been quite contributive and good so far. Because of that, Barcelona's desire to sign him is so strong, to replace Dembele. However, they still haven't succeeded in convincing the player. Maybe it will take more time or at least let Sane spend next summer first.
837  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BITCOIN: Give people time! on: August 21, 2023, 09:39:42 PM
Guess what he said, "well I did thought about it recently, and did a few research and decided I should give it a trial like you advised I should".
In this case, people actually need time to accept things that are considered new. Moreover, these things are not real objects that can be held and stored, and have the right legal force, like the others. That's why, for ordinary people, Bitcoin is just like a hoax, if they don't really learn about it. But if you look at your uncle, I think he is someone who is open minded and quite wise with new things. Indeed, ideally, one does not have to believe something new and immediately be interested in spending money to invest. No, it should have been in the beginning, someone like what your uncle did, namely doing research first and studying it to understand it. This will be very wise because after all, one must open himself up and increase his knowledge about Bitcoin before making an investment. This will reduce the high risk later. With understanding and the right time for someone who is new to the world of crypto, this will actually be more suitable and wiser to enter in it.
838  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: August 21, 2023, 09:28:57 PM
Real Madrid's goal this season is to take the league back from Barcelona and Jude Bellingham will be a factor towards that goal. Real Madrid is showing game after game that they can win titles. Even though there is still a long way to go, I believe that the changes Real Madrid has made this season have been huge by bringing in some quality players. Even though they failed to bring in Mbappe, it was not a problem for Real Madrid to realize the season of winning the La Liga trophy.
Their main target this season is not just taking over the La Liga title over Barcelona. However, they also want the prestigious Champions League trophy. Last season, they missed both of these trophies, so of course, Real Madrid want more this season. But with the current squad, they may be for the La Liga title. However, whether with the Champions League. Because after all there were many top class clubs competing for him. And without an extraordinary and deadly forward striker, Real Madrid will find it difficult to play optimally. Bellingham is a very talented player, but for Real Madrid's current strength, this is not enough.

An exciting and quite tough match took place between Real Betis vs Atletico Madrid where the final score was 0 - 0 without any of them being able to penetrate the other defense properly. They have a fairly balanced match pattern. However, each of them has not been able to optimize their front line to suppress the opponent. Only Atletico Madrid has done enough to almost be too dangerous for real Betis. Meanwhile, on the other hand, Real Betis has many chances, but it's still only an attack effort.
839  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: August 19, 2023, 09:41:22 PM
Of course Ten haag will get sacked if he doesn’t improve, it has shown that he is not impacting anything on the boys. Team play is bad, Tactics is poor and most of his changes doesn’t have any impact on the game. overall performance was poor today especially from their midfield, the midfield was so loose you would even think no one was there. Bisouma and Sarr were outstanding today and they easily outplayed and outshined Mount and Casemeiro.
Man United's defeat to Tottenham must have really hit Ten Hag. This is a thing for a full evaluation for Ten Hag to improve his team's performance in the upcoming match against Nottm Forest. In this match, in fact, their game was not too bad. However, the accuracy of their forward players was really lacking. They had tried several times to attack Tottenham but were thwarted. by Tottenham players quite well. In fact, from the same number of shots on target between the two, Tottenham could execute it better, so they created 2 of their winning goals, without reply. Man United has missed several opportunities.

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Manchester city 1-0 Newcastle United
With De Bruyne out injured with Bernando Silva; Manchester city creative outlet was definitely lacking and it showed tremendously as Haaland has another quiet game in Manchester; the boys proved why they are champions; grinding out a 1 nil victory against a resurgent and quality Newcastle United side.
De Bruyne is Man City's mainstay midfielder. This really had quite an effect on Man City. Moreover, based on information, De Bruyne's injury was quite severe, so he should probably be absent until the end of the year. Not to mention later after being injured, we still don't know whether his performance will remain the same as before the injury. It may be different, and there is a risk of recurrence. Luckily, other players were able to make up for his absence, so that Man City could at least always optimize their chances of winning. I don't know how it will be when fighting big troublesome clubs later.
840  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins profits or bank profits, which best? on: August 19, 2023, 09:32:00 PM
Bank investors have more certainty because there capital is completely safe but they give 8-10% annual profits to the investors of per year. But it is comparatively less in terms of profits.

On the other hand you will get constant profits from crypto as if you are experienced in trading then daily profits is possible. Otherwise you can get profits by investing. However crypto investment puts your capital at greater risk (main point).
Higher risks, higher turns.
It's as simple as this. Maybe investing in banks is arguably safer than altcoins and the profits are obviously limited to that. But I can't say it will be 100% safe, because after all, there are risks. And don't forget to read the terms & conditions of investing in the bank. Then also pay attention to the admin fee every month, usually there will be a fee, right? Or is it not in the bank you mean?

For me, when I want to save money, I will prefer to invest in certain assets rather than saving at the bank. I've done it, but really not profitable, far from expectations.

Because of that I prefer other assets. One of them Bitcoins. Btw, why don't you just choose Bitcoin but altcoins? Because after all, Bitcoin may be arguably better especially for the long term than altcoins. But if it is altcoins, make sure it is an altcoins that can really survive, not hype, so the risk is not too high. One of the big downsides to altcoins is that if their prices continue to drop and they can't stay in the market, they will disappear from the market or be delisted, so it's the same as dead coins.
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