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821  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: February 18, 2024, 10:11:09 PM
2-0 for Monza after the 1st half against Milan.

Well Inter will have even an easier job now.
Monza has completely blown AC Milan away. It's Monza 4 and AC Milan 2. Milan had almost made a perfect comeback to 2-2 even when they were reduced to 10 men only for Monza to add 2 more goals in the dying minutes of the game.

It is Inter Milan's title to lose.

It is absolutely not going to happen.Juventus drawing,Milan losing and Inter Milan winning 4-0 shows exactly the supremacy during all this season of Inter Milan.This supremacy is further confirmed by the power of Inter in winning both direct head to head games against Milan and Juventus and there is no team who can challenge them right now.They are thinking much more of the Champions League road map right now rather than Serie A which they already considered this title in their pocket as simply there is no other team capable of facing them and winning more than they have done.Just two days from now and we will see the real power of Inter Milan against Atletico Madrid in Champions League.
822  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: February 18, 2024, 09:49:44 PM
As I said some several posts ago here that Bayern should not be relied to be betting on them as all the psychological pressure is on them and they showed tonight that they could not bear such a pressure and I also conclude that in here they completely lost any single glimpse of hope that they may had to win the Bundesliga this year,they simply have not been consistent.

Leverkussen needs just to not be self complacent and I am pretty sure with their performance they are going to have an easy win of the Bundesliga title during this year,they just need to not underestimate any remaining games until the end of the season.
823  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you seen gambling advertisements on TV? Opinion. on: February 18, 2024, 09:22:36 PM
I think I haven't seen a gambling game ad yet when watching a TV but when some show ends, one of their sponsors can be a casino. On some sports, there might be banners now of a gambling company that are shown.

I still think exposures like these won't get the attention of our child so this is not alarming at all but on your case, limiting those kind of ads may not be enough. What is truly needed there is to not accept such ads but the problem is if the network will agree since they can also earn money on it. Sometimes a company won't care about the sake of other people but what important for them is only their own selves. All you can do for now is to blacklist that channel. I am sure modern TV's has this option now.

It depends on the country.I have never seen any betting or gambling ads in the country where I live now as gambling is banned and only one big casino is allowed in the center of the city,no one else is allowed to open up such a business.In countries like UK where in every 50 meters you can find a lotto shop of course you will see tons of such ads in Sky sports for example Betfair,Bet365,some new platforms which I forgot the name but the point is that you will see tons of them.I don't know which country from the two has the right politic but I would go with the first one removing such ads from the television otherwise it can have a huge impact with the young generation of that country,just my opinion though.
824  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is there any fun in losing while gambling on: February 18, 2024, 09:01:50 PM
Not  all, no one is happy when they loose while gambling, but as a gambler it's part of the game and you have to accept the fact that either you win or lose. But in matters like this, if you loose above you gambling budget it can hurt you but if it's below then it just a normal cruise while having your fun in the game.
Even when someone has not gambled up to their gambling budget, there is a level at which you can be losing in a game, which can change your mode entirely, and that could lead to a situation where your gambling decision will be affected by your emotions. 
 
I don't think losing in gambling is totally fun to anyone, as no one ever wants to lose anything, no matter how little the amount might appear to be. But then again, those losses that one encounters during gambling are what will increase the level of happiness and fun you derive when ever you win a new game. This is how I sense losing in gambling, as it is not a total waste after all.

I agree, whatever losses you experience in gambling will not bring any pleasure even if you have determined a low budget for gambling but your hopes of winning are not achieved, disappointment will accompany the feeling of losing funds in gambling, but never involve emotions in losses because you will bet again without control for the purpose of recovering losses, wise gamblers will not be careless in dealing with these sites because even though they have lost funds, they will return to gambling another day with a low budget, there is the potential that they can recover previous losses if they gamble while enjoying playing betting.

I would suggest low budget gamblers to spend that budget in fulfilling some other means no matter how small that budget can be it can be still used in the supermarket to buy some sort of food which can last for a couple of days as a minimum and that would be more beneficial to these low budget gamblers.

The others who are not that careless will still encounter problems while sometimes they will get mad and will follow emotions as simply put this is human nature you simply cannot go against your own nature unless you put some big roadblocks.I have been one of such persons and I am very happy now that I have not gambled for full 2 days,I know it is not much time but for people who used to gamble every day,huge chunks of the day this is the right step to get out of this loop.
825  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: What's easy to mine these days? on: February 18, 2024, 08:46:54 PM
at home I only have a mining rig using it for Ethereum Classic + Zillica dual mining
It is not rational to use video cards for ethash/etchash. They are inferior in everything even to quiet home ASICs.

That is what I have available so I am just using it.I know the great efficiency of those home miners with less than 200 watt consumption and a great amount of hash rate for such consumption yet is against the law to buy them where I reside now.The law is very unspecific but with a great emphasis in being against crypto so I refrain from buying and use what I have.
It is very bad when the law prohibits mining or trading in cryptocurrency. In my country, mining at home is also prohibited, but this does not stop anyone, because it is very difficult to detect home mining if the mining uses little equipment. But it is impossible to check all apartments and private houses.

In here they have put some technical persons who are electricians to check the power consumption of each house and if they see a huge spike in consumption they raise doubts and can also escalate to a house search.Me with some friends though when we had 2 big rigs as the one I have at my house is 200w power so it does not raise any doubts,with those big rigs we kept them to the tarrace of a friend house and they could not be spot,we managed them from distance  Grin.
In Russia, too, there are technical specialists in energy companies, but they cannot search houses. To search a house, power engineers need permission from a prosecutor or judge, and the search is carried out by police officers in the presence of witnesses. Or do power engineers in your country have the same power as judges, prosecutors and police?

No no,where I live now it was more than 45 years just like Russia,run by the worse butcher of all Europe who imprisoned and killed more than 25% of his own population,just like Putin Russia nowadays.These engineers need a prosecutor order and once they get that they can clearly abuse as they are allowed to control every little thing in the house of course with witnesses but they will find something or put something and pretend like it was in the house and make a real mess out of it so it is really paramount we don't get to that point in first place  Grin.
826  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Is mining really true? on: February 18, 2024, 08:30:10 PM
With that electricity cost I see that the best thing is what everyone is talking about right now or Kheavyhash as the best miner makes you over 100 dollars daily with just near 9 dollars electricity and this is what I call some crazy profit right now.

That is the iBeLink BM-KS MAX which has a price of just 12.000 dollars in most retailers and makes you right now 36.000 dollars in profit,sounds like a good gamble as in 4 months it is payback with some added wins,and 4 months is a very low time payback for such ASIC.

If this is true or not but the link I found this is this one : https://www.asicminervalue.com/
827  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Dual Mining ETH/ZIL with PhoenixMiner on HiveOS with Ezil mining pool. on: February 18, 2024, 08:09:10 PM
That is really bad that Ezil is going down as a pool,I was using them from quite a long time and benefiting from their service of dual mining ETC+ZIL,ETHW+ZIL or ETF+ZIL and I know that the crypto mining market had a huge negative impact in September 2022 when everything was shut down from Ethereum going from Pow to Pos but shutting down a pool means things must have been really miserable during these late months for Ezil.

Hopefully there will be some other pools which offer dual mine so we can migrate there when this shuts down for real.
828  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Don't make use of what you disliked because you can't stay away from it. on: February 18, 2024, 07:47:55 PM
I opened a betting account today (don't have to mention) but when I bet on their virtual games, they don't have the kind of options I am expecting to see but only provides more like only 4 options which are home win, away win, draw and over. So I bet if I could win but luckily for me I won ×2 of what I deposited, then I withdrawed the funds and mailed them to block the account because I don't find anything suitable for my liken but they replied me saying they can't and I have to make use of the account until 90 days before they can block the account.
However, it's my money and they can't force me to use it, so they have to block the account. I see that the only way to stay away from the betting account is not to fund it again.
So can anyone force you to make use of what you don't dislike?

No one can as long as you don't deposit any money to the platform.You need to check thoroughly the platform before depositing any money as most casinos and sport betting gives you the option to register without depositing any money to just search around the different options they provide and if you like it you deposit money and enjoy their games which are in synchrony with what you love and expect.

If you don't you simply don't fund the account and leave the account inactive until the policy of the casino delete it when 3,6 or 12 months have passed and the account has 0 activity tied to this. 
829  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can a betting shop be so dubious like this on: February 18, 2024, 07:26:39 PM
The betting platform is not to be blamed as the victim gambled using a betting agent? But he went to their betting site headquarter with no help given.

He used the betting agent of the betting platform to gamble and he won $11800 when I converted the local currency to dollar. He said the owner of the betting shop travelled abroad but he met the workers. The workers wanted to scam the man by not giving him any money.

The people involved that wanted to scam the man have been taken to court. They were granted bail with two sureties and the case has been adjourned to match 4 2024.

Some people are just very dubious

https://punchng.com/bet-naija-attendant-friend-arraigned-for-allegedly-stealing-n16-7m

Judging by the description here sounds like you live in a very corrupted country to say the minimum.How can they give bail to some people who scam,where I live someone of the betting shops long time ago when they were permitted tried to do this "smart" move and the bettor got and place a complaint in the authority observing these betting shops,although a corrupt country the authorities confiscated every thing to the betting shop,shut down the company and give the bettor every thing he won making a real decisive action at that time that people,bettors are protected.

That is what that country authorities should do to as the casinos,gambling shops and lotto clubs are paying huge taxes to the government,they need to regulate this.
830  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling between the past and nowadays on: February 18, 2024, 07:07:27 PM
We have all noticed the changes that have occurred in gambling over the past years, as gambling in 1990 or before is not the same as it is today due to several factors, including:
-Ease of playing and more casinos.
-Inventing new tools and methods of playing.
-Online gambling and the emergence of easy-to-use applications that support all games.
-The method of advertising has changed, becoming more effective and attracting more players.
-The presence of liquidity due to the increase in the amounts that players bet.
-Provides more profit opportunities..

In your opinion, what are the factors that brought  change in the field of gambling? What is your outlook on it in the future?

It is only normal that with the passing of times the technology has changed for the better in a lot of fields including gambling but I think the main factor is the economic one,back in the 1990 we rarely saw any economic crisis as the world population was not that big as it is now at that time.Now that the economic recession has increased the level of stress in our daily life,most people find relief in gambling as they think they will be forgetting their daily problems and stress with a bit of slot machines playing which bring you back to many different realms.The final thing I think is the pandemic where people were forced to stay at home and this lead to more people gambling.
831  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: February 18, 2024, 05:36:32 PM
Less than 30 minutes Manchester United is already leading with 2 goals. I can see how protective Luton has been playing. They want to score more goals to protect the glory of their fans since it is their home. Regardless of that they are also struggling to see if they may end the game with a draw or win..

Manchester United has been playing extremely well in their last three games. I wont be surprised if they win this game. The red devils are truly up and doing these days. However, the hope of winning the league is no more there but they have to qualify for next season UCL so they need to be among the first five finishers.
Man United is leading 2-1 for the time being, but in terms of performance, Luton is still much better than Man United. I think if Man United continues to play like that in the second half, then it will provide a good opportunity for Luton to catch up or even turn things around. As we saw in the first half, Man United seemed to be playing without a well-organized rhythm. There were no good passes and they even seemed to be in a rush when building attacks, so it wasn't difficult for Luton to anticipate it.

I know that Luton scored in the end of the first half and we are now in half time yet I doubt that Manchester United would have a problem to win this game.We had enough of surprise results in yesterday games that I think these are fair results as Brighton won 0-5 against Sheffield United and now as I said Manchester United should have not that much of problems to keep this result or making further gap by scoring even more goals.

Yesterday we had Manchester City,Tottenham and Newcastle which both have not won their games and I think they were enough of surprise results.
832  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: February 18, 2024, 05:18:27 PM
I wouldn't want to doubt your predictions because I'm very optimistic about Rossi's strategy, he's got a taste of what it's like to perform in the Europa so I think he will be able to go build up a better strategy to be able to get to fix his team better and positioned for the next leg and hope to get victory much more than they had done in their first attempt.

Rossi has built some kind of confidence around his team and the fans such that they all now believe how well he will be able to get the team to a good position ahead of their next stage in the Europa, if he's able to get his team to pas their current state then the management of Roma will say of a truth they made no mistake in choosing Rossi as the head coach over Mourinho because this has been their desire to get pass this stage in the Europa and to finish at a good position in their domestic league aswell.

But Mourinho has set pretty high standards for Roma, don't you think? Mourinho finished 6th in Serie A twice while winning the Conference League and reaching the Europa League final. Now Roma is in the same 6th place, but judging by the gap from 5th (7 points), they are unlikely to be able to rise higher, but they can easily fall lower. And it will be difficult to reach the Europa League final with such strong competitors.
There is a possibility that at the end of the season the club's fans will have serious questions for the management.

Roma has high chances to qualify as they got a draw away and that is precious in such a competition,the chances are on Roma side and I am pretty sure in Italy is all in their hands to beat anyone who they play against including a relatively good Feyenoord but which of course is not at the same level as they used to be like last year when they were Champions.

Of course De Rossi is reaping on what Mourinho has seeded so far and of course to see the merit of De Rossi we need a bit more time yet I think he is in the right way as he is getting relatively good results with Roma so far.
833  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Know when to stop on: February 18, 2024, 01:36:51 PM
One of the most important factor of a successful gambler is to know when to stop, most gamblers expecially the addictive type don't even know what is stop when it comes to gambling.
I have seen and know many people who are involved in the world of gambling. I dare say that all of us here who come to the gambling arena have initial and final principles and goals in gambling, as well as when we stop gambling.

Many of my friends come and go to gamble, even though I know they are addicted, but on the other hand, losing and winning are not the basic factors for them to stop gambling, sometimes they win big and continue gambling and instead of losing they come back again, if they want to stop of course they can decide to stop, it doesn't have to be winning or losing or expenses and so on.

There are no successful gamblers for me or at least I don't know one yet.I have seen a lot of those who are ranked Platinum in the VIP ranking and that means who have wagered at least 500.000-1 million dollars they are very unhappy with their continuing and recurring of losing money.I don't think they are unsuccessful as gamblers as they have gone and achieved the Platinum rank in the Stake casino which is very difficult to achieve if you don't play regularly yet it is been a whole lot of time that I see someone of them hitting the max win on Sweet Bonanza x21100 with a really high bet and won more than few hundred thousand dollars.Since they continue they are not successful,the other people like me and most of us who don't gamble more than 500 dollars a month I do not take them into consideration at all.
834  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Focus on how much you may lose and not only the potential win. on: February 18, 2024, 01:08:02 PM
They should learn to accept their defeat and try to end the gambling game so they don't experience more losses. Just let other people continue gambling, but we must be able to prevent other losses by always limiting our gambling activities.
This can only happen if a gambler gambles with a budget and never goes beyond it, and for that to happen, one needs to be disciplined and have a responsible nature because you might lose the budget that you have allocated for a week or a month in a single day sometimes, that is also irresponsible though, and then if you try and recover your losses, you will probably lose way more than what you had initially allocated as your gambling budget.

So, if a person has a budget and strictly sticks to it, they will never chase their losses and they will stop right after they have exhausted their gambling bankroll. If one gambles without a budget, they will most likely chase their losses and make more deposits after losing the initial balance.

I used to be that person but the emotions of the game and the rage can make you go much further than predicted and can make one in a single moment of weakness go havoc and lose much more than he conserved while being a conservative and sticking to it.I should not talk as it is the first day for me that I am not opening a single casino in my browser and dealing with other things.One day is nothing but it shows that I want to stay away from gambling and most likely this time I will fully realize it because I have lost so much in slots that coming back to them again is pure nonsense.
835  Economy / Gambling / Re: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest on: February 18, 2024, 11:47:48 AM
Yes but unfortunately I'm not sure its price in satoshis (BTC) will stop to slowly go down during the next months as it is doing since 3 years now. A spread of 2 satoshis when the price is at 10sats is 20% so if it reaches 5 sats it will be 40%. That would be huge.
If the value of FUN cannot balance with the current BTC price they will probably continue to fall with the BTC exchange pair as long as the BTC price continues to soar. Coincidentally I bought FUN with stablecoin so it didn't lose much value because of the BTC exchange pair, maybe for friends who are in freebitcoin I know they buy or sell FUN with BTC through their accounts so it's likely they will continue to dispute this price as its value continues to fall and the value of BTC continues to rise.

So far the price in terms of the value of stabiltcoin hasn't changed that much so I think it's still much safer and I don't see any losses there, but in the past I've never gotten into the habit of exchanging my bitcoin for crypto except with my personal money, turning it into a stabilcoin and then buying another crypto, I know the value of BTC will continue to be high, that's why I prefer holding it rather than exchanging it for FUN, I know for sure I will experience losses because my amount of BTC will decrease, that's why I never tried buying with BTC, but I hope FUN can immediately balance their value in a few the future may be after the bitcoin halving.

Now it is the great time to stock up FUN tokens,I did not have much balance left in Freebitco.in when I saw the price at 12 Satoshi and I bought like near 2000 FUN with the balance I had there.I started clicking almost every hour now as three rolls means one FUN token,plus the money from the Wheel of Fortune spins I am spending there in FUN tokens,I will also put up my mining machine which is down and will point it to Unmineable miner to mine FUN token to my wallet,it should be somewhat easier the difficulty and I need to be patient with that,anyway when the price of Bitcoin if it falls down again and FUN token increases the profit from the sale can be huge in this case so why not try.
836  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Buying and Selling of Casino Accounts (Discussion thread) on: February 17, 2024, 11:25:19 PM

The buyers also are aware this is risky that logging in to that bought account would result in getting busted.  Both buyers and sellers are untrustworthy and we know it is not allowed but they created a market for it. Sellers do have the idea of why someone would want to buy an account but if they were selling it still, maybe they are really in need of the money. They have their reasons.

The VIP accounts do have advantages and they get bonuses too which I guess is what interests those buyers.

The VIP bonuses are becoming shittier and shittier with the passing of time even in great casinos.I know that now in most reputable casinos even if you lose a lot of money they will give you something like 2-5 dollars weekly and about 20-70 dollars monthly with 70 being in the very high ranks.These are absolutely not worth risking by buying/selling accounts in the casinos,I know though that some casinos accept alt accounts as I see no other explanation to people sending huge tips to each other out of nowhere without a real reason behind it.

Most people though do not care to buy a casino account as the bonuses of the higher ranks are not worthy at all.
837  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: February 17, 2024, 10:46:23 PM
Arsenal's on fire, damn. 11 goals in the last 2 games, without conceding as well. They scored 21 in the last 5.

Liverpool performed well too, but we still have to see if the win was paid with a heavy price. Our team is already decimated, Jota's injury looked like at least few weeks out.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I really hope Nunez's ok. He's having a good period, he took his goal with some style today.

Next we have Luton, and then Chelsea. Considering the injuries, I really don't care that much about the League Cup. Yeah, it's a trophy, yeah, I wanna win it. But we're in a great position in the league, that would be my main priority.
Chelsea will fumble the Cup anyway, we can win with a mixed team.

Most likely Liverpool will prioritize the winning of the Premier League rather than spending energies to win some other trophy no matter what that trophy is.This gets emphasized even more with the parting of Klopp at the end of the season,I am sure he would appreciate a lot more to leave with a Premier League trophy rather than without it so in this context it is a sure thing Liverpool will have their priority the league.

I would not care much about Arsenal no matter how many goals they score they are not a consistent team,the team I would worry lost 2 points today and that is super beneficial for Liverpool.
838  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏆Rollbit.com | Champions League Pool | $11,000+ in Prizes ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: February 17, 2024, 10:25:48 PM
In a competition like this one you can't afford to fallback by putting everything in one basket at this stage unless you ready to hit rock bottom should the zero points follow.

And it's commendable that you applied your law of probability well and showed your risk management skills, otherwise had Bayern done justice this would have been another story Roll Eyes !!!

And personally my gut feeling told me to go with a Bayern besting but I had already submitted my picks and no VAR here for my late change...
That's the situation for me in Pot B, currently at the near bottom of the leaderboard with little stake to lose.  Cheesy

I also imagined Bayern potentially waking up any time, which led me to make a plan B as i've already made the mistake of going all in one of the previous weeks, gaining nothing in the end.

With nothing to lose it is easier chase those wild points, but then it's just tougher to recognize which team would actually yield those upset, Lazio could have been quite a easy pick given how Bayern Munich were totally humbled by Leverkusen, but that still doesn't mean one would go all in comfortable on such odds, however we might see a lot of people going against Bayern in the 2nd leg, especially if the odds is mouth watering, I mean like between 7-10 Odds.

I got for the consistency and I have about 77 points and a difference of 7 points to quite a chunk of people ahead of me.Most probably they have played it safe too but I hope some of them have made some mistakes while I recover a few positions since I got all in with Paris and got a nice 16.5 points for this round which I know are not much but if I keep the consistency to be having winning result until the end of the weeks maybe I end up in a prize spot whichever spot this may be.

For people that have nothing to lose there are quite a lot of wild results that they can try and if only one of them comes true they jump positions like crazy.
839  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: February 17, 2024, 10:07:04 PM
Well, you're right. I am disappointed with the result of the match, but this is not the end of it. Thinking about how to improve it is better than regretting it, that's what Pep Guardiola must do in every next match. I saw Haaland frustrated in this match and several times he failed to convert his chances into goals, but I hope he will soon return to his best performance.


True this is not over and there are still many opportunities in the upcoming fight, maybe this is unlucky day for Manchester City because previously we predicted that Manchester City would win easily. As I said before Liverpool must be happy with this result because they are still on the right track and continue the struggle for the title.

Manchester City lost two points in the title fight during this game and who would have thought that Chelsea would again be the black cat for Manchester City,if you remember last time when City was playing away at Stamford Bridge they ended in a dramatic 4-4 result there too.One thing is sure and that is we are not seeing a really capable and consistent Manchester City like we used to see it in the last couple of season where they completely dominated a huge chunk of the games.

Liverpool and Arsenal are both on an awesome for as they are winning every game and this makes things more difficult for City in the end.
840  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Don't be an idiot,don't play slots on: February 17, 2024, 09:52:04 PM
I am a slot player, of course in our rounds we often lose, but it will pay off when you get free spins, I have been playing slots since 2022 and I still control my emotions playing, I don't lose too much in slot games, sometimes I pocket profit, why are you angry with slots?
it's just a game of luck and patience is really needed

I am angry at myself not slots,being an idiot trying the luck there when a simple search and studying of events can bring you great results like that above,6 out of 8 multi tickets and I am in about 300.000 IDR or 20 dollars profit without getting angry at bearing the losing of slots.

I am happy that you can control emotions but I have come to a place where I don't like anymore that much to lose,I have been playing since 2007 slots so most likely I have had enough of them although I occasionally will continue to play a bit of slots.

I do not find convincing reasons why a person would prefer to bet on his luck in playing slots, especially if he is convinced that it is a waste of time and that no one has won or will win more than he lost. I also do not understand why people refuse to be convinced that these games are nothing more than software controlled by developer teams and complex systems that can be controlled. The explanation that I find logical in this case is that users enjoy game designs and are tempted by the coordination of colors and elements. Otherwise, why would someone refuse to actually bet on their luck in sports betting?

I consider that these reasons alone are sufficient to make me immediately stop practicing it, and in the most extreme cases that I become addicted, it is possible to compensate for it with betting games or even roulette. These games are designed to make you addicted to them and there is no other way to profit from them than that.

For me it is just that,the fact that they in most slots add some extreme multipliers which can go to big,I mean really big wins is what bring people to chase them,personally I think that these complex software developing teams are making the games even more tempting by adding new elements to the addiction.

There is Pragmatic Play which is happy with their shitty multipliers up to x21000 max as far as I know and there is Play n Go which lately is really pushing the limit,they had the x100 max multiplier but to that they added sticky wilds in games with such multipliers making the chance to win huge.These are the elements which deceive people.

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