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I'm imagining we can work something out - any preferences we need to consider? Land size, number of rooms, etc... Small town or large. Anything to help narrow it down.
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I think if you could get a mtgox 'buy with bitcoin' button on the web site you'd sell lots of stuff.
I want to revisit this sometime in the future, but I'm not going to do this. For one, I'm terrified that someone will manipulate the value of BTC one night and I'll end up stuck with an order for 10k USD worth of printers on a skid to be shipped to Germany for like 10BTC or something, with the buyer claiming I'm a scammer for not wanting to go through with it. I also don't value BTC at 'the most recent price from MtGOX'. I don't care if BTC are going for 30 USD each right now, if the average price over the last few weeks has been 10 then around 10 is what I'm going to value it at. I cannot imagine opening myself up to potential ruin by allowing an automated BTC system into my business right now. The community has proven to be very scammer-laden and hacker-laden, I don't even find any reason to trust MtGox to not manipulate the market itself for their own whims. The thought of a glitch in MtGox systems allowing people to put PO's in for almost no BTC... and then have the printers in my shipping department kick out the PO's automatically (which our system does when someone pays for an item) means that by the time I catch it dozens of labor hours may have already been wasted. So, for now, I am not considering doing anything other than what we are doing here. I'm receptive, but critical. Hm, as a business owner, would it make you feel better if there was a service doing conversion to fiat at time of purchase? If that's something you've be more interested in... I'm sure someone might be able to point you in the direction of such a service... if not I might just have to design one for you. =P |
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you asking 800$ for it and it worth 600$ why ?
So 2 months worth of BTC mining at 600 MH/s is worth nothing to you? Mega facepalm. I have interest but price is too high. Fails once, risk is higher that fails again. If problem is mechanical (heatsink connection) risk higher still that more problem arise shipping. Think of as 5970 with bad core. Has value, but how long? What is turnaround with BFL if all bad? Will pay 400 dollars US or 40 bitcoins ship to California. This --- except I'll toss ya 45btc, but would require escrow or delivery first. |
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Coming soon firefop were actually  working on that now. Lovely - as soon as that's active let me know and I'll start buying from you. |
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Haha I'm not assuring anyone of anything anymore. I simply do not care what people think. There is literally no way to satisfy the forums, so there is no reason to continue to try. People are either connected to reality or they are disconnected from it (take Franky as a wonderful example) and nothing I say is going to change that. I can present all the evidence in the world that the sky is blue and tons of people here will still scream that it's green.
This is exactly correct. There's simply no point wasting time refuting the idiocy found here. (Other than the fun of it, I guess). I for one, will continue to buy BFL products and pre-order upgrades until I decide that It's becoming unprofitable to do so. I'm not buying touchy-feely 'kiss my ass and tell me it smells like roses' customer service. I'm buying a kickass product that does exactly what I need it to do. Sure, better customer service would be nicer - but really, as long as when I place they order and they tell me when it should ship... and I get it on time or early, I'm a happy (and repeating) customer. Inaba, ignore the haters - post for bfl customers on _Josh and it'll all come up roses in the end. |
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Thanks Akka, and it does look like someone has added us! Wow thanks, people are on the ball here.
We like businesses that take btc - we like them even more if they have an automated payment method on the website. . . Just saying... |
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I'm sorry, I'll have to pass - really just need standard rackmountable compact panel. Thanks for looking tho.
I think if you could get a mtgox 'buy with bitcoin' button on the web site you'd sell lots of stuff.
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For the trojan case in the original post, what stops a trojan for waiting until the user is ready to commit a withdrawal and changing the address the server ends up being told to send the withdrawal to?
Also, I thought the whole point of two factors is that both factors are so distinct and separate that if only one of your machines is controlled by the attacker any action that requires the second factor is pretty much beyonf the attacker's ability to authorise?
For withdrawals presumably this means once a withdrawal request has been submitted the second device is contacted by the server with details about the transaction requested, and the user must confirm with that second device that the request is indeed the one they intended to make?
-MarkM-
That's how I understand it. And I suppose you could attach an IVR to the front on the phone call telling you things like amount, destination address etc - that might be annoying but it would address the change of destination address you've suggested. |
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I could use a pair of 48 port cat5 patch panel or a pair of 24s.
Couldn't really navigate that site in Opera, not going to use IE.
If you want to find and quote me on the above... that'd be great.
Ortronics 24 port telco patch panel OR-808044320 2RU I can send you two of these: http://www.kpsurplus.com/buy/ortronics_24_port_patch_panel_or_808044482/66923 for 6 BTC, including shipping inside the continental us. There should be empty room in the box to cram some small things if you need them. Cat5e cables, power cables, etc if you can think of anything you need. Negative - I need cat5 - not rj11. |
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I could use a pair of 48 port cat5 patch panel or a pair of 24s.
Couldn't really navigate that site in Opera, not going to use IE.
If you want to find and quote me on the above... that'd be great.
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I want to buy small house with bitcoins
Something livable
in USA. prefer California or a RED STATE
I'd be happy to buy you something norcal and then trade it to you for btc. What sort of price range are we talking about tho? |
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Mining is not a get rich quick scheme
If it isn't you're doing it wrong. Show me any other investment where you can forecast 100-140% return in your first year. |
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Nobody will go for this. No chargebacks is a fundamental tenet of Bitcoin. It's not that the miners can't do it, it's that by and large, they won't.
People are simply going to have to secure their wallets. Nobody in their right mind should have 5000 BTC online, ever, except on a sanitized computer with very limited network access just long enough to do their transaction. 5000 BTC belongs on a USB stick or a paper wallet.
this ^ |
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I have 3 BFL products and there are lots of posts here with people spending 15k and getting product so don't worry about your $150 investment I have 10k down on SCs. Cheers Davinci Same here - I've got singles and have invested in asic upgrades for them. |
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Ordered: 8/8/2012
Qty: 3
Shipped: 9/15/2012
Should arrive any day (per tracking number)
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8/8/2012, 4527, Y, 0, 1, 0, -, -, firefop
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Small miner doing it mainly for the fun, but secretly hoping to get big.
I think that's all of us, truth be told. 10gh seems like a nice number to be hitting sometime soon - |
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I have a strong feeling they will deliver, but not on time. I've never ordered from BFL before except to pre-order my jalapeno but by reading these forums I'm nearly sure the ETA for delivery will be pushed back quite a bit.
If only - I'd absolutely love it if they'd take untill june 2013 to actually release. But then I got a late start, I'm hitting hardware costs this month. |
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Really the only way to make this overly secure without being annoying to the average user is by a third party service to 2fa (such as phone factor). Of course using an existing service will incur costs - and managing those will come out eventually in the exchanges rates. There is no requirement for a third party service. Almost every exchange support TOTP which can be implemented without any third party service. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6238 Of course that ignored the point of the OP which was that OTP leave the user vulnerable to session jacking if the user is only authenticated at login. That's exactly why we need live 2 factor authentication... using phone factor as an example again. . . Any time there's an auth attempt the thing calls you so you can verify by entering a numeric code. A session jack wouldn't matter at that point, because when they tried to do anything the phone would ring. That's what I meant about a 3rd party service - in this case using the phone system as the second factor. maybe voip using voice recognition could work in a simular way without having to involve a telco? |
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I think you're over thinking this...
Physical security is always going to be easier to enforce than digital security. What you ought to do is physically protect the data storage device of the virtual machine your wallet is on (slap that puppy on an SSD and boot it via hyper-v) - keep the block chain updated on the host OS. Then all you have to secure is the room where you store the safe that the drives in.
if you'd rather not secure it yourself - then I'm sure you could figure something out using a bank computer and bootable USB device that you store in a safety deposit box. Or just a laptop that you bring in with you - drop in ssd - etc.
Personally, I'd just setup a few hosted vms that I could access via vpn and be done with it. The weak point in this sort of home invasion thing is always going to be threats towards you or someone you care about. If you've got the keys - and can be convinced to give them to someone... it doesn't matter how secure your setup is. The plus side of all this, you could code something for the vm you're using to ditch your coin to cold storage if you don't follow procedure aka giving you the option to pay them or not without them knowing. Of course, it would all come out in the block chain.
I am overthinking it because no one else is. Haven't you heard of all of the hacks, coins stolen from VPS's, sometimes even by the VPS providers themselves? I wouldn't touch a service using a VPS for cold storage with a 10-foot pole. I didn't say vps - I said vpn accessable vms... for clarity, if you're dealing with that much money - it shouldn't be a big deal to get some rack space in a secure location and drop your own server. That's if you'd rather let someone else physically secure it. But if it were me - I'd worry about physically securing that one SSD and the room it'll be accessed in. Seems way cheaper and easier to manage my own security than to goto the expense and annoyance of outsourcing it via bank vault or remote location. Also - by cold storage, I meant an offline wallet probably a print out stored in safety deposit box. |
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