And the difference about MY plan, is the government becomes a profitable entity that provides REAL service to its community, while working towards a fully paid-employed society.
Then maybe that should have been the focus of your post? Just a thought. That WAS the focus of my post, lol. Pity it was buried in all the bullshit about murals and festivals and myrtle trees. Which is all completely relevant.  No. |
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And the difference about MY plan, is the government becomes a profitable entity that provides REAL service to its community, while working towards a fully paid-employed society.
Then maybe that should have been the focus of your post? Just a thought. That WAS the focus of my post, lol. Pity it was buried in all the bullshit about murals and festivals and myrtle trees. |
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You did say capitalism, yes? Specifically, laissez-faire capitalism. In such a system, there is always demand for labor, both skilled and unskilled.
I'm sorry, the only reply which comes to mind is "WUT?" Point me to a commonly accepted definition of laissez-faire capitalism including the condition of [constant] demand for [all forms of] labor, 'till then -- you're ... fabricating as you go along?? Can't we get above that? You feel you can start your own business from nothing, from dirt? Lots of people have. Especially in the US, where laissez-faire was the rule. Lots of people worshipped God while amassing millions in Soviet Union, would you say that the Soviet brand of Communism is the ideal system for nurturing religious freedom & individual prosperity? I'm sorry, but what the hell does that have to do with anything? You'll grow a garden on whose land, exactly? My own, of course. You did say this was laissez-faire capitalism, did you not? That means I can own land. Of course you *can*, but it just so happens that you *don't*. My scenario, I said so. Now what? I live somewhere don't I? If nothing else, there's always the window garden. And the roof of my apartment building. Please, for the sake of appearances, pretend that you're not speaking to an idiot. I'll try. You're not making it easy. Thus far i've refrained from what the D&D set would call ad baculum arguments, taking pains to be self-abasing if there was any question of my attacking you. If you can't stay civil in this debate, fuck you. Bon? Bon. I'm quite civil, so long as you are. |
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And the difference about MY plan, is the government becomes a profitable entity that provides REAL service to its community, while working towards a fully paid-employed society.
Then maybe that should have been the focus of your post? Just a thought. |
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predatory laissez-faire capitalism.
"predatory laissez-faire capitalism?" One of those words doesn't belong. Pick any one. But the three of them together, it makes no sense. "Work for me, or your children starve." "Fuck you, He'll pay me more." or "Fuck you, I'll start my own business." or "Fuck you, I'll grow a garden." You are joking. You honestly can't imagine a scenario where there is no one to "pay you more," or for that matter, pay you at all? You did say capitalism, yes? Specifically, laissez-faire capitalism. In such a system, there is always demand for labor, both skilled and unskilled. You feel you can start your own business from nothing, from dirt? Lots of people have. Especially in the US, where laissez-faire was the rule. You'll grow a garden on whose land, exactly? My own, of course. You did say this was laissez-faire capitalism, did you not? That means I can own land. Please, for the sake of appearances, pretend that you're not speaking to an idiot. I'll try. You're not making it easy. |
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Then why did you clutter it up with all the rest of the stuff?
To show how the philosophy fits into a real world society. Well, you didn't need to include all the rest of that, just the parts that actually show how it would fit into a real society. Like the library running mining machines to pay for it's operations costs. The rest of the stuff, with murals and festivals and whatnot are wasted time. This isn't just about mining, you need to get that through your head. Mining is just a PEICE. It is THE piece that allows ANYONE to own a machine that earns them money. But it is not the only part. It is just A part. There are plenty of ways for someone to have a niche in this proposed society without having or wanting a bitcoin mining machine. That still doesn't explain how more festivals and a mural celebrating every successful shit the mayor takes fit into "Letting the machines do the work." By bringing people together, making a demand for stalls and artists, making a demand for small business, making a demand for more citizens/coins, making a demand for more jobs/machines, making the demand for more inventors and developers, making the future possible. That would be true in any economy, not just a Bitcoin one. What's special about your plan? |
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Then why did you clutter it up with all the rest of the stuff?
To show how the philosophy fits into a real world society. Well, you didn't need to include all the rest of that, just the parts that actually show how it would fit into a real society. Like the library running mining machines to pay for it's operations costs. The rest of the stuff, with murals and festivals and whatnot are wasted time. This isn't just about mining, you need to get that through your head. Mining is just a PEICE. It is THE piece that allows ANYONE to own a machine that earns them money. But it is not the only part. It is just A part. There are plenty of ways for someone to have a niche in this proposed society without having or wanting a bitcoin mining machine. That still doesn't explain how more festivals and a mural celebrating every successful shit the mayor takes fit into "Letting the machines do the work." |
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predatory laissez-faire capitalism.
"predatory laissez-faire capitalism?" One of those words doesn't belong. Pick any one. But the three of them together, it makes no sense. "Work for me, or your children starve." "Fuck you, He'll pay me more." or "Fuck you, I'll start my own business." or "Fuck you, I'll grow a garden." |
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Then why did you clutter it up with all the rest of the stuff?
To show how the philosophy fits into a real world society. Well, you didn't need to include all the rest of that, just the parts that actually show how it would fit into a real society. Like the library running mining machines to pay for it's operations costs. The rest of the stuff, with murals and festivals and whatnot are wasted time. |
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predatory laissez-faire capitalism.
"predatory laissez-faire capitalism?" One of those words doesn't belong. Pick any one. But the three of them together, it makes no sense. |
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These are the policies for a 2017 campaign. Then don't you think you should lead off with that? Or even just include it? Nope, this thread isn't about the Collin County campaign, it's about the philosophy "Let the machines do the work". Then why did you clutter it up with all the rest of the stuff? |
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These are the policies for a 2017 campaign. Then don't you think you should lead off with that? Or even just include it? Because if you don't say that, preferably at the start, the reader is inevitably going to take it exactly the way I did. Especially when you lead off with a lot of bitching, pissing, and moaning about how old and christian the community is. |
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Quick note for now, regarding the bolded text ("The position was most commonly inherited, but it could also be bought or sold") -- You're not suggesting this unique to Icelandic Commonwealth, are you?
Not at all, for it's quite similar to how ownership of a company is transferred now. Oh, and to bring this vaguely back on-topic: In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by privately funded competitors rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. |
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Stone cold sober, chief. And the word "should" appears 41 times, making it the 14th most common word in that text. For reference, McKinney only appears 31 times, and people 34. (Bitcoin appears twice, and mining only 6 times.)
Of those instances of "should," by the way, 16 of them are "should be" (the second most common phrase in that text), 7 are "there should," and 4 are "should have."
The word "should" is because as you should remember, these are PLANS. None of this stuff is in place, it is plans to expand what the town of McKinney already has in place. Yes, that's my point. It's all " other people should", not "I plan to." And don't you think that the plans should be a little more centered on bitcoin mining, instead of murals, festivals, and trees, given that your plan to get to utopia centers around bitcoin mining? |
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Here we go, this will do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Irish_lawEarly Irish law is, like the Old Irish language, remarkably standard across an Island with no central authority. On account of the structure of early Irish society, all law was essentially civil and offenders had to answer only to the victim or the victim's representative. This is important to point out, as in case of serious injury it is in stark contrast to most modern legal systems. Notice any similarities? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalismIn Rothbardian anarcho-capitalism, there would first be the implementation of a mutually agreed-upon libertarian "legal code which would be generally accepted, and which the courts would pledge themselves to follow." This legal code would recognize sovereignty of the individual and the principle of non-aggression. |
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I explained the term right after I used it: One where the service of keeping internal fighting to a minimum is provided by competing businesses, instead of a violent monopoly?
The most powerful and elite leaders in Iceland were the chieftains (sing. goši, pl. gošar). The gošar were not elected to their positions, but rather owned their title. The position was most commonly inherited, but it could also be bought or sold. The office of the goši was called the gošorš. The gošorš was not delimited by strict geographical boundaries. Thus a free man could choose to support any of the gošar of his district. The supporters of the gošar were called Žingmenn ("assembly people"). In exchange for the goši protecting his interests, the Žingmann would provide armed support to his goši during feuds or conflicts. The Žingmenn were also required to attend regional and national assemblies. As to Ireland, that video was the best reference I had. Let me see if I can find one. |
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I'm not sure i see your point. Are you saying Ireland and Iceland are currently what you would call a "Market State"?
No, I am not. You said that they had never existed, and I countered with two historical examples, which, for the record, both lasted longer than the current US slide into oblivion. (Iceland ~330 years, Ireland ~1000) |
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Now, can you imagine a "Market State?" One where the service of keeping internal fighting to a minimum is provided by competing businesses, instead of a violent monopoly?
Meh, i want to. I'm totally down with that action, but the word croneyism keeps popping up in my mind, or "cloak and dagger", or the mutual scratchings of backs. And "eliminating the competition", and "human nature". Interestingly, human nature actually works in our favor, with the market. Ask Adam Smith and John Nash. I can also imagine a Christian utopia (random pick, not starting a religious debate), the problem's the same as with your "Market State" -- one never existed, too many snags... And as far as payoff goes, you know which one i'd choose. That's where you're wrong. The market has provided security before. Ireland. Iceland. |
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Try this experiment in Detroit and tell me how that works out as they near total bankruptcy
Hmm. I wonder how well that would work? I be the average Detroit citizen has more moral rectitude than your average banker. |
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