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8401  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: September 26, 2016, 12:28:26 PM
Gold is something unknown for me cause i don't know anyting about earning money with gold, better to start working with bitcoins, cause i already know someting.

Basicly gold is alot more stable and secure investment. Prices don't change that much it goes up a little.
So gold is the slow and safe investment whilst bitcoin is the risky one that can make you alot of money. I'd choose for bitcoin just because I like to have potential instead of security.

Yeah and we cannot afford to wait longer to earn small profits, better choice is to take risks and keep on making profits regularly and that is surely possible with bitcoins.
that's definitely not the right answer if you just want to make your money growing and NOT losing it,probably because it'll be getting used for the future purpose and you just can't afford to lose it,in this condition taking risks is definitely not a wise choice at all

and taking risks makes you earn a lot more Cheesy I agree with you now a days playing safe like holding yyour bitcoin and wait until the price it is not something a good choice because why you hold it if you can earn more from it? Right? Learn and take a risk Cheesy

Are you sure that by holding them you will be making profits in future? What will you do if price falls to $100 in coming years? Will you still prefer to hold or sell them at loss?

Thats  why  holding  bitcoin would  be an investment and  any investment do have risk and as  investors we are already  aware on that. People do somehow have assurance for bitcoin on long terms  because  they  have  strong hopes and trust  in bitcoin  to increase its price in future well as you said  things may go in opposite way and thats the risk.
8402  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin down to 500? on: September 25, 2016, 11:13:28 AM
iam also waiting btc to come to 500$ to buy at pull back
it looks like it will be tough going, and I think everybody hoped that bitcoin prices rise.  Grin

Correct, hoping  for bitcoin to go down would  be tough do since there are lots of investors  are hoping for bitcoin to rise its price but   some may wait also for bitcoin price to go down so that they would able to  buy  again for cheaper price.
8403  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: WHAT CAN I DO WITH 0.1 BTC ?? on: September 25, 2016, 09:09:55 AM
It is a small amount for  trading, I believe it would be better  to find a different kind of investment, or  try to gain something more  through signature campaigns to increase  your profit potential.

I think that 0.1 btc it is enough to start trading like dogecoin than an investment
at the moment it is a good option if I only have 0.1 btc

Not only on dogecoin but   there are lots of potential  alts to choose from  and 0.1 btc is decent enough to make such trading  to these alts which could possibly give or  grow your money but  you should   be  knowledgeable  on trading so that you would be profitable with it.
I agree with you, it does not need that we should follow what the others would say, we should have our own decision and make the right research for us to make the right investment, there are actually good altcoins nowadays, and to name a few, they are LISK, WAVES, ETH, And XMR.

Yes invest them in potential altcoins and you will surely see some profits from it and its always good to have profits instead of having nothing like going for gambling and loosing all of them.

right, its better  to risk on altcoin rather than  on gambling  because in altcoin you could  possibly make money  in the long run but it wont guarantee you  but still theres somehow possibility of money unlike  on doing gambling  you could lose your money in an instant.
8404  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: September 25, 2016, 09:08:44 AM
Invest only, and avoid gambling not matter how much you feel lucky that day, investing is risky but not as risky as gambling is, even if you will earn less than from gambling

If your aim is to only earn amount then you can apply that "invest only" but sometimes people wants to experience some thrills and excitement which you can't find at investing on a company so gambling sometimes with spending the amount you can afford is also good to release stress.


you have a  point playing gambling is not bad at all because  people  do seek for leisure  times  after a long day of hard work and we  must treat ourselves on it but we must   limit our selves  on playing gambling in able  we  wont  be addicted into it. Investments are much  better.
8405  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: September 25, 2016, 09:06:59 AM
I dont think gambling is wrong. but you are wrong if you playing with greedy and you can't control yourself, emotion and your money.

This is the truth, people are saying that gambling is wrong but gambling is just a business and a source of entertainment. It is just going to be wrong if the person who gambles doesn't know how to control his money and emotion as he loses then that is going to be his own fault for making gambling wrong for him and for the eyes of the people.
The first sentence is the right way to define gambling, it can never be wrong because this is just for the sake of entertainment while only those gamblers who look and understand gambling the other way are wrong.
Yeah, we cannot deny that there are lots of people wants to win in gambling and see gambling as money making, someone is lucky enough to win gambling and some other people is not lucky that losing all their money in gambling, because gambling is really more on luck most of the time.

Thats reality in gambling  there are people  who lose and their are people who win but the ration between  parties are different since the losser  are more than compared to winners and  gambling is designed that way. Gambling is  considered wrong if you are already  addicted into it and you already compromising your  money and  family.
8406  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Another way to invest Bitcoin without Mining on: September 25, 2016, 09:05:04 AM
Hello !

I still Shocked after Hashocean Scam , I dont Trust the Mining anymore !
I whant know other ways to exploit and invest the Bictcoin without mining

or best thing for some one how dont have long time to work in his PC to earn BTC ?

Same here pal, i do have a hard time to move on  after the  hashocean scam incident which i lost almost 7btc  total which is really upsetting  when they ran  completely our money and  all of its investors until now  there are no trace  behind that ponzi site. Earning bitcoin wouldnt be easy as you said  you have  to work for it  in able to earn decent amounts of bitcoin, there no easy money here.
8407  Other / Off-topic / Re: bitcoin affects life a lot on: September 25, 2016, 09:02:23 AM
Bitcoin has affected my life by allowing me to run my business, and the least I could do was run a web faucet  Grin

A very good investment of yours  there pal, web faucet are also good source of  income as  long  you  put   decent traffic on your site then it would  be  a sustainable one.
Bitcoin does really affect our lifes somehow because it  gives us  opportunity to earn money besides   on the earning  on our  stable day job.
8408  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin and Porn on: September 25, 2016, 09:00:41 AM
Bitcoin will fit to any service aslong it is here online, including the  shops and any gigs not just porn. But I guess porn and bitcoin is very likely matched, as long as you want anonymity in this kind of site, you are safe for your identity. All Crypto related users that like porn also will be much intrested on this kind of sites that accepts bitcoin as there payment method.
After reading the last post, I was convinced that the only useful one side bitcoin payment for porn, it's anonymous. I for example have never paid for porn and constantly received this video from the free resources. But if I had, it would also like to I do not know.

You're absolutely right, I see that a lot of porn sites that only give the bitcoin or just a small part of the porn sites supporting the growth of the bitcoin. All those who do not know or do not want to see profits bitcoin it will prefer to by using the means of payment which are already known and used by everyone

This is  a normal thing which not all porn sites do offer this kind  of payment  because  adoption of bitcoin is still on progress but with this kind of  step bitcoin would  somehow developed in porn industry and  those  porn lovers  out there would  surely love about this new payment system. Grin

There are dev thriving their coins top be used in the porn industry though such as titcoin and sexcoin. I believe there are online community using these coins i remember someone promoting titcoin on xbiz community. if only they have promoted well and give chance to adopter in the industry they may have had some good values by now.


We've already seen the stuff with creating another coin exactly for this area but I didn't seem to succeed,now it doesn't mean it won't actually happen in the future but we don't really know and I think BTC will be the main coin

True, we saw some alts does used  erotic name just to represent   porn  industry but  as you said they failed  to progress their  altcoin project therefore theres no other  crypto  would surpass the popularity of bitcoin in terms  of payments and accesibility because for sure porn sites would definitely choose bitcoin compared to alts which  isnt  popular at all.
8409  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is Max amount of btc once you own? on: September 25, 2016, 08:57:25 AM
In 2013, I had around BTC60 in all of my wallets. But then I lost around two-thirds of them in the LitecoinGlobal scam. In 2014, I went through a rough patch, and had to sell around BTC23 to take care of the expenses. Later in 2015 and 2016, I got some coins from various signature campaigns and other sources, and my current holdings are worth between BTC5 and BTC10.

What a pity. I was also scammed by ppl, but I was scammed by an altcoin dev, he ripped us off so he could dump his scam at high price. I invested 60 btc there, but after dumped that shit i had only 5 btc. It was dumped -95% in a few hours.

I am not sure whether investments in altcoins can be considered as scams. Had you profited out of your investment, then you won't be complaining. I agree that most of the altcoins are of the pump-and-dump type. You need to dump them at the right time. Personally, I have made investments in altcoins. Some of them were profitable, and some were not. LTC gave me profit, while TRC and Quark disappointed me.

We cannot expect to make profits every time with altcoins, as there are many shit coins available which can disappear quickly, so we need to be very careful before investing in it.

You are right , there are many altcoins  as  of today and some  do launched  in every 2 weeks or even a month. Its quite risky to invest  especially on ICOs because of some  circumstances which devs ran off the money that they accumulate.  I do also being scammed with altcoin which i  purchased about 1btc and  suddenly dump for   hours and  i alsmot lost 70% of my investment, luckily ive decided  to sell while  its going down.

People believes that they can double their coins with altcoin in quick time, but they forget the fact that it may take away all your investments even in a single day if you choose wrong coin.

And thats reality  nowadays which  you could  eventually lose all of your coins  when you intend to  purchase or buy a coin . Investments do have risk and  lossing  partial on your  investments is a normal thing  but it shoudlnt be  tolerated. We  must  maximize all of our  money on   doing investments so that  we would  earn profits  on long term.
8410  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is escrow? on: September 25, 2016, 08:52:33 AM
I searched for topics in trading section. I see in a lot of topics people talking about escrow like: "escrow is a must"
What does that mean?
I see that escrow is a website to make payments more secure, no?
But I saw in another topic one guy telling that he wants to be a third escrow. This confuses me.  Huh

Escrow is  considered as a middle man between seller and a buyer , this person would  hold   the funds and the  items that have been bought or any other things that  being sold. With  escrow you could somehow assured your self  or lessen the risk  of being scammed compared to P2P trading.
8411  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What were your experiences with Bitcoin when you first started? on: September 25, 2016, 08:49:58 AM
Being a newbie, I am prone being scammed because I don't have experience yet of what is really happening so I invested in HYIPs at first because who wouldn't when you can see that in just a few hours, you can double your investment without doing anything. It's ideal and too good to be true but still I invested in it because I believe that I can still get back what I invested and in just a few days I already accumulated big amount because they are really paying. I became greedy and invested a bigger amount and that's the time they did not pay anymore. That's the time I decided not to invest in HYIPs anymore because it's a net loss for me instead of net profit. I decided to focus on trading because I did have some experience of it and its less risky than investing in HYIPs.
thats how btc has been inroduce to most of us thinking of easy double profits the good thing is the first who've been joined will earned the last will cry because the site will stop working after they already gain the amount of btc that they wanted to have i guess its already program inside their system that if they already have the actual btc the system will stop.

These are common things  we do  usually fall  when we are just starting since   we are fooled on   high returns and  we easily believe it because we dont have any knowledge about these  hyips  in the past thats why we lost  our money in the end. Ponzi sites and hyip sites are all just the  same.
8412  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling should be considered as a Sickness!! on: September 25, 2016, 08:47:47 AM
Gambling cannot really considered as a sickness cause gambling is not an attitude but gambling is a GAME. Addiction in gambling is considered as a sickness and yeah I think most of the time people become addicted in gambling because of their greediness.

The greed and the eagerness of winning a lot of money in less time makes them addicted of gambling and later on when they realize that it is not the right choice for what they were looking they consider it a sickness because of the loses they got into it.
But that is not a reason for us to consider that gambling is a sickness.
Yeah we are become greedy and we eager to get more money after we win in the game in gambling but that is not should be the reason to consider gambling is a sickness. for me, gambling is really just a game and we need to treat gambling as like that and not a sickness, addiction in gambling really consider a sickness.

Of course, considering it as sickness is just like considering yourself sick. We need to understand in the first place that gambling is a dangerous kind of fun, so if we will not play it responsibly, in the long run we will be having trouble doing it and might affect our life in a negative way.
Yes I agree with you, really dangerous kind of fun and really risky, so this kind of game are really to those who are mature enough to understand what should be the outcome of their game. Because for me, if you cannot handle yourself when you play this you will really get addicted in this.

In short if  you dont have strong  self control and a strong self awareness then for sure you would  easily get hooked  into  gambling addiction  and   its not really easy to  get away with this thing  especially when you are already engage on playing gambling  on daily basis thats why its somehow a sickness.
8413  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to play gambling in a smart way? on: September 25, 2016, 08:45:40 AM
A smart way is to manage the bankroll properly. It needs experience and its difficult as well since emotions get in the way. Of course it is their hard earned money - and in that case you should never gamble at all. Still a smart method is to cash out while still on a winning streak.
controlling yourself that's right mate withdraw while you are in winning streak then move away that's how you can win
with the house if you stay for little more you will be tempted to gamble again and lose everything.
There are many people who make a living off of the gambling industry; if there weren't people who profited, then there would be no gambling industry at all.  The key to being a successful gambler is to only wager on events when the odds are in your favor.  That requires a working knowledge of probability. Learn the math and gamble like the house does. They win and so could you!
yeah your opinion makes sense , there a lot of people successfully make money through gambling for years and having no issue , those people are who have found the 'key' . and the key what i mean are a wise action in spend money to gamble and rule it with mananging bankroll , sounds simply but it's hard actually to do.

This is hard and I do accept I am not one of them and neither am I interested. I believe the "smart" people are the affiliates who advertise the casinos and get referral commission. They are actually working with the owners but not gambling themselves but still making a profit. Otherwise a smart method is what I had stated in my last post.

Correct, those people  who advertise their gambling sites and earning money with their referals are the true smart person since they  dont need to risk  anything to gain  money but   their  job is  not easy at all since its really hard to convince someone to play gambling and also  theres no smart way  on playing gambling.
8414  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: if you focus on the price of bitcoin, you are gambling on: September 25, 2016, 08:43:42 AM
I don't think so. To gamble means to risk your coins. Looking at the charts and checking it frequently doesn't put your coins at risk. I don't see the connection of your idea with gambling. That's basically just waiting for the best time to sell your coins. It's technically called trading. If you missed selling at a high price, your Bitcoin would still be the same. If you have 1 BTC, you'd still have 1 BTC. Just wait for another time to sell your coins.

Agree,  the word  gambling   means  you are risking your money to get money but  in OP's  situation hes  just  waiting  for the right time to buy bitcoin therefore its not gambling at all since  all you do is wait but    i would recommend that its better  to  risk your money at these days rather than waiting  because  you wont gain profit on just waiting.Price movements are  unpredictable.
8415  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I never made any profits in dice game.. whats is your opinion on: September 25, 2016, 08:39:03 AM
In gambling in general you should always learn how to do two important things: 1) Managing money meaning how much to put in your bankroll and how big should your bets be and  2) Managing risks this goes hand in hand with #1 and based on your bankroll and bet size this also changes.

And when it comes to playing a dice game there will be a third option called 3) Strategy a good strategy can change the resulting profit big time.

If you can master these three then you can have a better chance at winning and although gambling is all about luck but you can change that to your advantage a little too.

In my own opinion these things are really needed when you are  playing gambling  in order for you  not to be easily got addicted and   ending  to be broke with it but in playing dice  the results would be still the same and you couldnt use this things to make you win  but it could make  you sustain  for somehow.
8416  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcointalk is a good way to get information about Bitcoins? on: September 25, 2016, 08:34:15 AM
bitcointalk forum is a great place for all bitcoin users. It has all information about bitcoin. We can get latest news, bitcoin & alt coin trading discussions, mining, etc.
And the best thing with this forum is we can earn bitcoin by joining signature campaign. It's a great place for bitcoin beginner to earn some bitcoin here.

Exactly, here is much larger community than reddit, or other groups, people usually post news here, we don't need other info sites actually

I agree with this and im spending my time almost  a year  in this forum which i could really say that this is the right place when you are just starting  up with bitcoin since you could  gain knowledge  and learn new things  in no time as long   you know how to search and read stuff then it would add up in your knowledge.
8417  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: September 25, 2016, 08:28:12 AM
It matters when you bought in the 1k+ range
well yeah if you actually bought it on a really big price then it surely matters as you would have lost a lot then

If it is the other way around and you bought a couple of thousands bitcoin below $5 you're a rich man.

Its  just assuming. lol. but there are really people who bought  on a certain price. Bitcoins price do really matters nowadays because if people would saw bitcoin price is  high for sure  many would be interested into it and also it would make decent incomes to those who work for bitcoins.
8418  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Would you buy a hardware wallet? on: September 25, 2016, 08:22:29 AM
No I would not buy a hardware wallet these days, because its not even every secure and it can also disappear, if you are doing something wrong or as a example you lost it.
I think its not a good option for a wallet, I would not buy it.

I too agree, investing again for storing, i prefer we wallet like coinbase or blockchain, since i don't have more than 5 btc, if i like to store more than 1000 btc for quite some period, i might think of other options to store the bitcoin
You are right about this, for low amounts its not even needed because of the fact that the blockchain as a example already has a good secured wallet.
I think that people should also more trust online wallets these days.

Well using  web wallets are  good  if you have only small amounts of bitcoin and we could really say that  because  we are  not assuring  too much our  bitcoin holdings since there few anyways but  for those how hold  huge amounts  for sure they would worry  about their funds  stored on an online wallet  thats why some  would  buy hardware wallets and store all those huge amounts of bitcoin for more security.

You have a point, hardware wallets would be only ideal if  you are  holding large amounts of bitcoin but  if  you only have small amounts then better to  store in web wallet because you would add up expense only if you  buy   hardware wallet just for small bitcoin  is just nonsense at all.
8419  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: September 25, 2016, 06:49:48 AM
Is it better to save money in bank or invest it online, in real estate or maybe gold?

If you save money in bank, it is much better than invest them. But if we are talking about bitcoins, then it is much better to invest them as you will get profit from it
thats true, if you save it in the bank you usually not get anything, thats why i buy more bitcoins
While you cannot put all your money your bitcoin wallet because that could be a very risky action, we should learn how to analyze things over and my advise to everyone here is that always know the risk before you act, banks do protect our savings while bitcoin is good for invest on the amount that we can afford to lose.

The real point here is  banks are  just   storage for our  fiat money and  bitcoin is  a digital currency  which we could able to invest and make  money  with it same as you said. For me its better  to save money in  able  to invest  and  we shouldnt  compare it  because they are related to each other.
8420  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you actively spend your bitcoins? on: September 25, 2016, 06:45:47 AM
Not at all because I used my bitcoin in online investment sites to grow my coin. I also used my bitcoin through the trading site to buy stacks and sell it in the near future to get profit for it. I also bet my bitcoin through the gamble site to also grow my coins. Bitcoin is business money making income. Thats it.
That's a good move if you will ask me, we should learn to discipline ourselves in saving than spending our money in useless thinks. With saving or using our bitcoin in a more productive way, we can expect more profit in the future and it could help us achieve our dreams.


Yup its better not to spend them on useless things, instead it should be saved for the future as bitcoins will be more valuable in future holding very good  price allowing us to make good money from  it.
yeah, you can benefit a lot from bitcoins and it would be dumb to sell it or use it up right now, though thats just my opinion
So you are saying that we will never spend our bitcoins? IMO, that would the help the economy to grow, we need to have bitcoins in circulation increased because that is the only way we will earn money from our investment, it is fine to hold but do hold everything and learn to spend sometimes.

Spending bitcoin would   really help on  bitcoin ecosystem   in able to grow and increase its price but we cant really  force a people   on how  they gonna use their money  either  they  gonna hold them no matter what  or they would spend them for trading  or on  other   investments.

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