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8481  Economy / Gambling / Re: well came across this crypto-wins.info is it a scam won 1000$ on: September 15, 2018, 11:55:34 AM
need help is it scam or not won 1000$ on it telling me i need too deposit 6$ too take my money out seems fishy what u guys think

Lol. Don't diposite there. Who will give you $1K  for 6$. Obviously they are scammer, no doubts. Can you please share the website ? We need to exposed it in order to save more people's. Don't be much greedy , otherwise you will lose wealth. They just want to make fool. Pleas post link of scammers.

$6 does not make you lose more, so if I can suggest, just give it to them better and look how will they proceed after

He will lose it. Nobody will give you 1K for 6$ only. Don't trust them. If some how 1K people try it then want happen ? They will gain 6k USD.  6K isn't small amount by the way.
8482  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: bitcoin-protocol - possible scam on: September 15, 2018, 06:53:33 AM
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Possible scammer

Not only possible scammer. Obvious scammer look like to me. Plagiarized whitpaper isn't proffesional work for and ICO. Personally I hate the name. Name connecting with reputed coin is more dubious for me. They just choose this kind of name to create a positive environment. Tagged scammer.
8483  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Infinivi - possible scam - fake team on: September 15, 2018, 06:41:42 AM
Interesting, why they used different picture from their website? I am still confuse. As well most of picture from stick image.
8484  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [ICO]🔥NewChain Platform - Fake Team on: September 15, 2018, 06:35:25 AM
They used fake team that's why post self moderated thread. Usually once I see self moderated thread it's make my mind dubious. Sometimes I check deeply. However reply on their thread bear no weight as well due to self moderated thread. We need deal with trust system by the way due to scam are not moderated by forum.

Great job OP. Keep finding scammers.
8485  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: 1000+ ETH blocked: Yobit.net won't explain or resolve on: September 15, 2018, 06:22:47 AM
So many accusation against them. Why didn't research before diposite huge amount.
Proof of Payment:
I would like not to discrete the link - there is more than 1000 ETH deposited

Your accusation invalid without reference link of payment. You are not sharing private key as well. I don't think there is any problem to share transaction link by the way.

OP created long time ago. Did you got solution ? If yes than locked the thread from lower left.
8486  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: PHFirecoin - Scam coin on: September 15, 2018, 06:16:54 AM
Yes look like they just copy paste content from others site. And yes this is the most important sign of scam. Do you have any Bitcointalk id behalf of them or they are promoting on bitcointalk ? If yes please add the link on OP.
8487  Other / Meta / "Exhibit Token" violate the forum rules, @ mod. please take action. on: September 15, 2018, 05:55:42 AM
Exhibit Token asking for reply on their ANN thread by google airdrop form.
ANN Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4918036.0
Archived: http://archive.is/RuYI9
Google form: http://archive.is/3nyyy
You can find more thread and original airdrop form here


Their airdrop form was on first reply. Last day I was report to moderator and reply has deleted. But their ANN still live.  As well I send PM to moderators regarding their thread include airdrop form.

By the way they have other thread include airdrop form that asking reply on ANN thread too. Just visit OP post history : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1627611;sa=showPosts
Archived

They post same topic (Airdrop) multiple board. I just report that reply where Google form was linked. Report main thread will mark unhadle that's why I was pm to mod at same time.

However I believe thread should moved on trash by the way. Also multiple airdrop post should remove from OP post history.

Note: I had report again to moderator for visit his post history that they are asking for reply on ANN and same post on multiple board.

Perhaps they edited ANN thread  with Google form again or there was from began. Reported again by the way.


Edit: That's the reason why I don't like to report main thread.


Can I ask why main thread report is unhandled ? Even though there is airdrop link embedded and they are asking for reply on ANN thread. Reply from same ANN and bounty thread also deleted as well. But why main thread is marked unhandled? Also I mention to visit his profile.
8488  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk.org YouTube channel? on: September 15, 2018, 04:02:47 AM
Obviously idea is cool. There could describe about forum rules and guidelines. But for regular update you need 3/4 additional staff. Another is who will own the channel ?

I don't know how many forum members will watch the channel. You can see on meta, how many people's are active here. To be honest 90% user are bounty hunters and they are busy with it. They don't have much time to perticipate forum discussion and I don't think so they will watch also channel. Increase new members means increase spammers by the way.

In my opinion motivate extisting users to avoid spam is more important rather than encourage more new people to join. Existing users also can be assets.

To be honest, I am agree with it to create YouTube channel. But in last few months there is lot of suggestion came out from members to build a decent forum. Especially add new moderators and recover accounts. Support existing users and reduce spammer is more important to encourage new user.
8489  Economy / Reputation / Re: marlboroza - about the red trust - Nel.network fake team on: September 14, 2018, 09:56:44 PM
Do you mean only count post and update spreadsheet is managers responsibility ?
Yes, exactly that.

Noted your point.

If managers do it continuously ( multiple case ) than he deserve tag. On single case excusable, but shouldn't excuse on multiple case.  
Let me get this straight: You want to blame a victim for being the victim multiple times? That makes perfect sense. Not.
Victims and BM role aren't same.

However I don't want to more argument about this matter. Leave negetive feedback completely depend in who leave it. It's their own opinion. Like we can't argue with managers same thing we shouldn't argue who leave tag. I don't think some rag without reference. If managers don't care about his reputation than DT have right to tag them, depend on DT judgement. Everyone have different judgment.

I can't  not see any benefits or keep weight to discusse about this thread, marlboroza already said he isn't going to remove tag as well.
8490  Economy / Reputation / Re: marlboroza - about the red trust - Nel.network fake team on: September 14, 2018, 09:14:52 PM
The over-promising ROI part I can agree with. However, what about projects in which the team is anonymous?

Fake team more dangerous from anonymous
We know so many scam ICO exposed with fake team lately. Just across my mind from defence of scammers. Few scammers defending on scam accusation that some ICO never used team. Also we are not exposing them who have no team on website.
Let me give answer who is like to defend fake team. To be honest Fake team is more dangerous from no team. Because no team already exposed themselves. Investors are able to see there is no team. I will not surprised if they scamed. Because investors known where they are going to invest. So we don't need to exposed ICO with no team as well.

For fake team, they will scamed and divert accusation to others. Becasue they already stolen picture and identity of others innocent people's. So this is a big crime. Investors are not aware about them that they are going to scamed. Because they will see there is a team. If investors  mistakely visit their ANN Thread than he will find great team, nice team, experienced team, potential team many more. That's why we need to exposed scam ICO's with fake team.


Create new accounts solely for posting ANNs to avoid risking your main account for any single bounty
Most of managers doing it as well or hire some low ranked account (IMO)

They should be doing their own due diligence in the first place IMO.
Obviously, they should. It doesn't mean managers should't.

It is not the responsibility of the managers, nor are they liable for the stupidity of the hunters and investors. Time to stop blame-shifting and accept responsibility.

Do you mean only count post and update spreadsheet is managers responsibility ? Of course they are stupid, otherwise they can't trust blindly without own diligence.

I'm talking about trust ratings. Assuming the project has an anonymous team, and aren't promising crazy returns, how would it be handled in case that it ends up being a scam (given the precedence that is being set here)?

If managers do it continuously ( multiple case ) than he deserve tag. On single case excusable, but shouldn't excuse on multiple case.  
8491  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fake team VS no team on ICO. on: September 14, 2018, 09:04:56 PM
up for visibility
8492  Economy / Reputation / Re: marlboroza - about the red trust - Nel.network fake team on: September 14, 2018, 08:35:26 PM
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I wrote a topic regarding this on bounty board; Bounty Hunters ! Must read before join any bounty campaign. But unfortunately not much people interested to read it. No one want decent work. Everyone just need money, hunters are more greedy from managers. But eventually hunters and investors are getting scam due to irresponsible managers.
8493  Economy / Reputation / Re: marlboroza - about the red trust - Nel.network fake team on: September 14, 2018, 06:02:55 PM
I respectfully disagree with people who say managers shouldn't go and check for fake teams and stuff like that. A campaign manager's only job isn't just to count posts and reward participants for their work. While this maybe a tedious task, they should at least take certain precautions(mentioned by suchmoon),it should take a couple of hours. Or if you want hire a Private Investigator sort of a person to take care of it.

Yes, that's the point I always try to highlight. But the problem is most of managers just think their work is only manage the campaign. They never care they have more responsibly. On the other hand I noticed most of managers are Jr. Member. I am not sure how experience they are. I don't think they are able to investigate an ICO or just avoid it. Still I can't see managers not much encourage to investigate or search about project before start the work.
8494  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scam - GENKI Token- fake team - Plagiarized whitepaper. on: September 14, 2018, 11:28:33 AM
Their airdrop thread has been trashed. And OP got temp ban. Thanks to moderator.

Trashed thread and temp banned the OP, thanks for the heads up.
8495  Economy / Reputation / Re: To Bounty Managers - How I do my due diligence for ICOs on: September 14, 2018, 10:42:21 AM
It's look good to me at least you accept that there is few responsibility of managers. Whatever you describe here it will not take more than hour to check. But by spending hour can safe hunters and investors. As I always say that we can't do anything if they exit with fund. But we can check before start any campaign that there is something wrong or not. If there is something wrong or any suspicious activity it will be better to leave.

One of things that can be done is *verify* that the claimed 'pictures' are actually individuals that are behind the project. This can be done via a video. You, however, can't verify their identities.
Strongly agree. You described what is on my mind. This is most important to check there are real team or not. Fake team is on of strong indicate of scam.
8496  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] ⚡BQT Signature Campaign | Member - Hero | 0.0007 BTC /Post ⚡ on: September 14, 2018, 10:24:55 AM
Got payment. Thanks. Reapply for next week.
The devs have asked me to make this rule change. Instead of being able to do a maximum of 30 posts a week, the limit has been increased to 35 posts. Any posts that exceed this limit won't be paid for.

Well, you can update on OP.

There is any bonus offer who made maximum post overs whole signature campaign?  Wink
8497  Economy / Scam Accusations / Should we stop expose scam ? And how working trust system. on: September 13, 2018, 10:04:56 PM
This is an open discussion no one should take it personally.

Since I am beginner & learner, few question around on my mind. It's not my complain or not I am blaming someone. Especially two subject I combine on this thread instade of post multiple thread.

Should we stop expose scam ICO?
Few people's are exposing scam ICO lately. I am not saying that all the accusation is 100% accurate. As we know when we report a post we can see;
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one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports.
I would like to consider this sentence for scam accusation also. What we see from began, most of exposed scam are exit with fund. However scam isn't moderated by forum and we can't blame to forum as well. We just exposed the reality, whoever want to invest we can't stop them. We just make a report about activity of ICO and post it on Scam Accusation  board. We can't judge it, unfortunately no DT also handling this kind of case lately. I know it's much difficult to judge, but it doesn't mean we should leave forum free for scammers. Usually we tagged OP ourself once we found suspicious activity or fake ICO, in fact most of ANN and bounty managed by ICO team. Sometimes we mention DT to tagged those almost obvious or possible scam, because our tagged will not reflect on their profile and forum members will not aware about their scam activity. But unfortunately we getting very low response from DT. Sometimes they tag them but very rarely. By the way they might be busy or it's depend of their own judgment they will tag or not. We can't blame also them in that case.
Question is, sometimes we found few ICO posted by higher ranked account that we called managers or whatever. For clarity, in that case we should leave him/her negetive feedback if they don't want to lock thread ? And what about  if a manager post multiple fake/ scam ICO. what should we do ?

Personally l am not much encourage to tag a higher ranked account in that case for first time. So I ask managers to lock their thread and also sometimes we get positive respons from them. Problem is if multiple accusation against a manager than what should we do ? We should leave him/her free to make more scam ICO post?

So why it's necessary exposed a scam. Should we stop expose ? Although someone no tagged but it's helping people who visiting accusation board.

I expect appropriate answers from reputed member's. We just don't want to increase our enemy and negetive feedback.

Edit: Personally I believe for become this forum most popular there is a huge role of hunters and ICO's. So I think we should care about it.


Trust System:
To be honest, I noticed lot of positive rating (green trust ) is for succesful trading, like bought some token or coin. I can't see much green trust for forum activity. Is this really need to give positive rating for successful trade ? Can't be use neutral feedback ? Why there is neutral feedback option? Shouldn't use it ? Sometimes green trust made confuse. May be someone will trust him/her blindly without check trust comment. Although green trust isn't mean a person couldn't scam but it has a value.

However please don't take it personally and I don't have aguemnt if someone not agree with me. I just want to acquire knowledge. Because recently I saw different reaction from different reputed member's. You can see here.

Sorry for broken English.
8498  Economy / Reputation / Re: marlboroza - about the red trust - Nel.network fake team on: September 13, 2018, 08:03:01 PM
We really need to stop giving out 'positive trust', which is obviously seen as something *prestige* (unfortunately), as references to successful trades. Positive trust from DT for e.g. 0.01-2 BTC trades is ridiculous at best, naive and stupid at worst[1].

Strongly agree with it. I have seen lot of positive rating only for trade. I don't think it's necesarry. But leave a neutral feedback for such as trade appriceated.
8499  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: ⚠ List of SCAM ICO! [PROVED] on: September 13, 2018, 05:41:00 PM
What is role of BitcoinTalk forum administrative team in scam accusations being made about all ICO's

No role from forum. Scam isn't moderated by forum. It should be moderate by trust system ( imo ). You can post here if you found any scam ICO or bounty thread. DT will handle it hopefully.
8500  Economy / Reputation / Re: marlboroza - about the red trust - Nel.network fake team on: September 13, 2018, 01:33:58 PM
And how do you define minimum responsibility? Using google search for the picture or reverse image matching doesn't count as 'minimum responsibility'.More than the managers it's responsibility of the participants to do all that knowing managers will get paid anyway but if the project turns out to be a scam, it's the bounty whores who'd suffer.

How you expect payment for participant if ICO team or ICO itself if fake from began? Will you join any bounty if you know the team is fake & plagiarized whitpaper , steal content from others website. Is it trustable, even no one can say exactly they will scam. Will you like to buy this token or will you like to join bounty? Thats I mean minimum responsibility. We can't check their physical location but we can check on web about their face. We can't realized they will scam but we can check their website content whitepaper they did steal or not. I expect you got my point it will take max. 1 hours but it can minimized scam. Whatever I exposed fake team most of them skip with fund. So how can we believe them ?

I am not blaming only managers, I have a thread about it. Please read it : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5018435.msg45272968#msg45272968
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