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8581  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling loses and wins on: March 12, 2017, 09:10:33 AM
Losses has a very deep part of gambling and as you experience this everytime you are playing gambling you become more aggressive to bet for more, its doesn't give you discouragement even though its becoming worst. When you compare it with your wins I see the same idea of no satisfaction even you won a good prize, still you don't stop and still hope for another chance which could turn out you to lose again and again.

I agree that losses is really a deep part of gambling.  It is designed that way because of the house edge.  Though it is decided by chance, with the house having an edge, there is more possibility that the house will win in every roll.  Though some analyst say there is an equal chance in every roll in gambling.

Yes, the loss is the main part of gambling. If you play slot games, then the house having an edge and your loses chance will increase. So if you want to increase your win chance, you must play skill games. Here the win and loss both have equal value. And sometimes the win have more value than a loss. I don't know who said that there is an equal chance in every roll in gambling. According to me lose chance in high in every roll.
Even if there is no house edge, the sites has still the advantage because they have proven to be smarter than us with the evident by their profitable business. Losing when accepted will give us entertainment in playing games we like, whatever game it is as long as it's our favorites, we will always appreciate the chance to enjoy.

This is a common myth in gambling community that casino operators are smart and tricky and find their ways to always win, and only the most smart players can possibly match them. But in truth, everything is very simple, first there is the house edge, which needs to be there simply because casino is a service that requires money to operate - servers, employees, advertising, development. etc. But I also believe that the house gets the profit from other source - gamblers ruin theorem. When player visits a casino, he can only play for as long as he have a balance, and since the chances to lose are almost the same as chances to win, it only means that after some period of playing you will lose your deposit, because casino has hundreds or thousands bitcoins in its bankroll and can cover any loss, while players ability to cover loses is very limited.
8582  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to play gambling in a smart way? on: March 11, 2017, 08:11:51 PM
Well gambling in itself is played by smart people but people come out getting outsmarted but it's not because they are not smart or there's a smart way to play but I think it depends on your preparation and a little bit luck to sail through as a successful gambler.

Yes, the people who use the calculation on a dice game or related to that number is a smart way to play. but in contrast to sports betting of any kind can happen with our predictions, even when a large team against a small team. the smart way it's about mindset, not greedy, not the purpose to get rich from gambling because it has a mind like this you'll have the high emotions of every bet so that the results obtained are always bad. so I think a smart way to play it doesn't ruin your life, but gambling at least could give the money to you, and that is play gambling with free money Cool
Calculating is not a sight of being a smart person in gambling because there is no way to beat the house no matter how hard you try. A smart person won't never calculate. Instead of that, he limit the amount of money used in one game so that he will never lose more than he expects. Moreover, he also know how to stop when he has won enough amount of money in a casino

While you can't beat the house edge, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to make the best decision in games that allow them, like blackjack, for example. By applying working strategies you will reduce the house edge to the minimum so you will have higher chances to win than if you were making blind bets. Of course it doesn't apply to games like dice where there's no decisions that would affect your bets.

As for limiting yourself, it's what everyone should do when they get involved in gambling activities, but many people lose control easily, so it requires a lot of discipline to not break the limits one have set.
8583  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: March 11, 2017, 04:24:54 PM
In this i agree. If you're just playing, then there's very little chance that  you can sustain your winnings and talk about long term earnings. Though i don't agree that it's just about luck, there's really no way i can see earning long tern unless you yourself either become part of the house through invetments or create your own site. That for sure will generate a consistent profit whether short or long term

Thats one of the way and the other way is to gamble only on the EV+ games however it is rare to find an EV+ games however once you find it then it will be easy to get profit in the long term. In the past there are several site that offer EV+ betting with their promotions so players could get advantage from it

Why would anyone run a house with EV+ games for players? Sound like charity, it's basically giving money away, unless there's some catch. Promo-hours are a bit different, since it's only for short time, they don't affect the house much, the odds are still around 50% on dice game with x2 multiplier. Gambling sites are operating on a larger scale, even if players are lucky in some days or weeks, the house will still win the sum of all bets in a year. To some people gambling will be very profitable, but for each winner there will be more losers, so the profit is on the house's side.
8584  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: In which bitcoin gambling casinos should i invest my bitcoins ? on: March 11, 2017, 12:42:28 PM
I don't get why so many people on this thread advice against investing, maybe they don't even understand how it works, or had some bad experience. Anyway, the whole point of any investment is to make a small risk and get some reward, and the chances of success must be higher than chances to lose. This is definitely the thing about casino investments, since the house edge is on your side, and you have a huge number or rolls to make that house edge work.

Now, about which site should you choose, you need to make your own research, get some in-depth understanding how casino operate and so on. From my personal experience, I can say that crypto-games is quite reliable, although they already have a huge bankroll, so your 0.2-0.3 BTC might not yield the highest return. They also accept altcoins, which can be a quite interesting option.

Also I have investment at yolodice, the casino is new and the bankroll is not giant yet, so there's a potential to get a good profit, the also allow to leverage your investment for a higher risk/reward.
8585  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do small investments make sense? on: March 11, 2017, 10:55:18 AM
I think it depends on you, if you invest small amount of money then you will get a small profit. But I like to invest a small amout because even though i lose its not much big. And even though the profit is slow it is sure.
You can't be sure you can always profit from investment in gambling site, how if a gambling site closed because someone/people were lucky enough to take all site's profit/bankroll? Your investment will gone.
Also, Invest small amount doesn't make any sense, maybe you can make small profit after a long time you invested your money, but it is not worth with the time you've wasted for waiting it grow IMO.

I dont think so. A lot of successful businesses started from small gutsy investments. Yes it majy take time and the return may nit be that big but small investments leave you with a bigger cushion in case it dorsn't work out. It's a lot safer than going all in on a bigger investment which has higher profit but greater risk

Casino bankroll investments are a bit different from business investments, when you are investing in small new casino you can get a big profit if you own a significant share of the bankroll and the house gets a huge profit. Essentially, you'll need a lot of luck to get a big return from small investment in a new underfunded casino, while there will also be a risk that casino and you as investor will suffer a loss due to some players winstreak. So the risk and reward of such investments will be closer to gambling - it will be less predictable for a chance of getting high returns there will also be a chance of big losses.
8586  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me a secret: any way to earn 0.1 BTC per week? on: March 10, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
Since Bitcoin price continues to rise, earning 0.1 BTC will be harder than it was before, today 0.1 BTC is $120 while one year ago it was around $40. As for one of the most common answers here - signature campaigns, they seem to have fixed rates and don't change even with significant price rises, so it's a good news for their participants and potential posters. But for other jobs, people usually calculated their rates in USD and then converted it in BTC when making their quote, so BTC earning from jobs should be decreasing with the price growth.
8587  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why would there be just one cryptocurrency? on: March 10, 2017, 06:02:09 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, and move me if this is the wrong board, but in my opinion we should not focus on how to make Bitcoin do everything. Right now Bitcoin works well as a store of value, digital gold if you will. A $1 transaction fee means nothing to a $1,000,000 transaction. It does however severely cripple smaller payments, something that a cryptocurrency could be very good at.

Now it is my understanding that the point of SegWit/BU is to allow Bitcoin to be used for smaller payments by bringing that transaction fee down. Instead of making Bitcoin the jack of all trades, why not have multiple cryptocurrencies that each excel in their own areas? Leave Bitcoin exactly as is, and invest money and time into establishing a micropayment currency, a smart contract currency, etc...

Just some food for though.
Johnny

You can use any other cryptocurrency as a transfer for value, it will just come with increased fees due to a need to exchange it to btc and than to fiat, if it's not possible to convert it to fiat directly (right now you can only do this for top altcoins, like Ethereum or Dash). What makes Bitcoin special is the number of nodes and mining power behind it's network, it serves as insurance that your transfer won't get hijacked, or someone will manipulate the blockchain.
8588  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Bitcoin even have a future? on: March 10, 2017, 03:47:54 PM
Yes bitcoin even have a future because it has a greater demand on the buy and sell today and even though it wasn't that fast rising, but still it recovered from sudden drop of its price lately. The better future is here specially in the profit that we must be earning from the investments that we are putting to risk and sometimes very exciting and in thrill.

Current Bitcoin's price only indicates that investors believe that in future bitcoin's price will be higher, so they will sell it with profit. What it means that bitcoin's value today is mostly speculative. The question of this thread is whether or not Bitcoin will become a widely used currency, and the answer is very unclear in my opinion. Every government will strongly oppose Bitcoin, since it will take the monetary power away from them, also Bitcoin will need to solve lots of technical issues. And the last problem is "marketing", someone has to convince the others to start using Bitcoin, you can't expect people to abandon fiat money that they have been using for all their lives just because they will read some article about Bitcoin. And there will be a lot of fearmongering from banks and governments, like we see today, that bitcoin is unsafe, it's money for criminals, etc.
8589  Economy / Economics / Re: Passive Income on: March 10, 2017, 10:24:47 AM
there are many ways to earn bitcoin but I never saw any passive income for bitcoin with safely without scam, I think bitcoin investment is not passive income because it is not every day we get a profit because sometimes one day you can get loss

Most casino investments are definitely not scam, but any other bitcoin investment is very likely to be a hyip scam. The usual rule with investments is the more profit you want to get, the more risk you'll have to take. If someone promises you a fast 10% or more return, than it's quite suspicious. For example, casino investments, which proved to work, yeild 1-2% per month, sometimes 4-5% if casino was lucky. As for ICO's, they have a huge chance to quickly turn into scam and run with all investor funds, or the coin will just get dumped in the first day of trading. But if this is not the case, than you can get a quick profit usually in range of 20-100%.
8590  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: March 09, 2017, 08:15:38 PM
you can not earn steady in the long run by gambling , build your own business and then you can have a steady income in the long run.

Well we can, we can actually invest in gambling site instead. Investing in a gambling site is a good source of steady long run income therefore it is much better than gambling. Some people win in long run as well, poker players win the game mostly in the long run however they are not really playing against house edge so I guess that wont count?

Yes investing in casino's will make your gambling career as profitable. But it's all about patience and trust, if you will have this then you are good to go on investing with casino's. Because the profits aren't that high as many are expecting and it will take months before seeing the result of your investment from those sites.
It doesn't need to be high because what is important is to be able to generate a constant profit and casinos can give that to us when we will choose to invest. We have seen success stories about how profitable investment in gambling sites and it's a common sense to us since most of us are losers thus casinos are getting more profitable. It's hard to beat the gambling site therefore going on their side is a better way to profit.

Let's accept the fact that if you are going to invest small amount in bankroll casino's. Because if you will just invest small amount on them, your return will be small too and you need to wait for a longer time before you can see the result of it. Getting the favored by investing on their side will always be the best way to make it profitable.

Some casinos, like yolodice feature leveraged investments, so you can get higher returns even with small investments. For example you can invest 0.1 BTC with x10 leverage and have the same profit as if you invested 1 BTC. This can lead to a solid monthly returns, but it will come with a higher risk, as you will lose all your investment if the house loses 10% of its bankroll.
8591  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why trading is better than gambling? on: March 09, 2017, 01:24:00 PM
Trading is better than gambling because in trading there is assurance that you can have something in return when you give something or when you pay something, and the value of what you trade is usually the same value that you will get in return. For example you trade with bitcoin, if you pay the bitcoin  which cost $1500, ofcourse they will give you a bitcoin that is worth the amount that you've paid. While in gambling sometimes even if you are already betting too much money or bitcoin, there is no assurance that you can win the same amount or there is possibility that you may loose. But if you want an easy money you can do gambling but there is no assurance. You can win or you can loose.

In trading, you buy something with intention to sell it later, because you expect that the price will rise, but there's no guarantee that this will happen, the price could easily go down, as many people also make their moves. I believe that trading can be even less profitable than some gambling, because dice sites have their house edge at around 1%, while newbie traders can easily lose a significant portion of their capital with blind trades. There's no easy way to make money, everything requires time and effort to develop skills needed to start making money.
8592  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Investing in casinos on: March 09, 2017, 09:35:53 AM
Right, I wouldn't call investing in a casino "income", it's not reliable enough for that. Investing in stocks, for instance, is already shaky for "income" but at least has a consistent uptrend. While casino investing also has an uptrend, it's a lot less consistent and a lot smaller than the uptrend of other things you could invest in. It's not really worth it.

I'm investing for almost a year and do monthly withdrawals, never had a loss at the end of the month, my profits were in 1-5% range per month. In my opinion that's pretty reliable and safe, and also the price of BTC increased more than 2 times since I have started investing. You just need to do a bit of research about how casino work, and how their betting volumes and bankroll sizes affect your potential profit. And anyway, don't invest more than you can afford to lose, every investment comes with some degree of risk.
8593  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are dice sites reliable? on: March 09, 2017, 07:37:17 AM
There are many dice sites. Are these sites reliable?
So is it really the end of the bets based on luck? Or is it programmed to win the dice site?

Well people who still not aware of dice site algorithm , they are already programmed well so the gambler depend on luck. For some people still not trust about it, they can find friend who expert on coding to test out their algorithm

Their code is closed source, and with assumption that casino might be cheating, it would require some big amount of money to test it, because even if you lose once or twice it doesn't mean anything, if it happens 100 times in a row, than it becomes suspicious. So obviously no one would waste their time and money trying to catch some dice site on cheating. That's why those sites feature provably fair system - cryptographic proof that each bet is fair and wasn't tampered by any side. The bigger risk with dice sites is that some sites might promise huge jackpots to lure people into chasing them, and refuse to payout if someone wins that jackpot.
8594  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔶 YOLOdice.com 🔶 FAST bets, chat, quick deposits, charts, PLAY or INVEST! on: March 05, 2017, 12:42:19 PM
I have to say my first impression for the site is very high and encouraging. The best feature that got my attention is the investment option with leverage, it's really shows the openness of the site plus you can opt in and out of it whenever you choose to. Good job devs! Keep it up!

Maybe you have noticed, there's quite a significant amount of investments with x10 leverage, I think it's really a sign that investors believe in yolodice and its profitability. I personally have a small investment with x10 leverage and I hope that it will be bringing me stable long term profit. Also I really like the referral system,  bonus from weekly pool is always nice.
8595  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you like slot games ? on: March 05, 2017, 01:56:38 AM
The problem with slots is that there's no decision making in the game, you only decide the seize of your bet, even in dice you can choose your multiplier. And then there's the house edge, which is usually at least 2% or higher, while in dice it's around 1%. Games with strategies, like blackjack, allow you to keep the house edge at around 1% too, if you execute the strategy well. So, if we compare other games with slots, it seems like slots are the most boring and hard to win game. But it also have it's purpose, sometimes people want to relax and just spin slots a bit, without thinking how they want to bet, and enjoying some graphics.
8596  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Losing investment on Gambling sites on: March 04, 2017, 03:38:14 PM
I don't have experience with investment in gambling site and for me all investment is have risk, just to be wise and careful to choose the investment, and I have read in this forum about investment in gambling site is more long lived, you just pick the best gambling site and reliable to make your investment is profitable.

It's hard to tell which casino is "the best", there are so many gambling sites which operate for a long time and don't have any strong accusations against them. But this doesn't guarantee safety, since bitcoin services can make exit scam - simply vanish with all customers funds, because owners are anonymous so they most likely will not be found. Also every casino might be struck by a bad luck and lose a significant part of its bankroll, so when you are choosing a casino, you need to make sure that the risk is minimal, by looking at the value of maximum allowed win per one bet. It should be around 1% of the total bankroll, otherwise some whales might take a huge chunk of the bankroll quickly, so the whole investment is more risky.
8597  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Operating a BTC gambling site - Worth it? on: March 04, 2017, 09:07:02 AM
Don't bother, community is truly saturated with all kinds of gambling services plus a few of the best casinos are owned by admins and staff here so you'll probably need to advertise heavily, I noticed that you said no matter what we say you'll do whatever you want, so do whatever you like but be prepared to get rekt Cheesy

If people would stop starting new business because markets are already saturated, that everything would be monopolised and we'd see decrease in quality and increase in prices. Competition is in interests of consumers, so we should always encourage entrepreneurship. As for casinos, there's still a lot of room for innovation, some people might like more sophisticated games or things like pvp games, or some new forms of betting. But ofcourse if you create another dice site you will find a hard time attracting any significant amount of players.
8598  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to Win using martingale system? on: March 04, 2017, 03:00:48 AM
i know most of us knew about martingale and we do use that in order to gain profits but we also aware that this same system is not safe in a long term period as we will be caught out of the blue and our winning streak will start to change up, do you have any settings of strategy to make it much worthy to use?

So for me, I believe in order to make a martingle system work you need to have a huge starting bankroll. It will not work if you have a small bankroll because once it hit a loss it will eventually loose all your winnings and your starting money.

Share it here if you have something there Cheesy


The explanation of martingale strategy is doubling your bet if you lose and if you win it is plus one of your bet.The strategy had the gambler double his bet after every loss, so that the first win would recover all previous losses.And is it the possibilities strategy to result a win.
Don’t try this, I know that this method used to work a long time ago but not anymore, many casinos have discovered this and they have implemented a system that counters it, I have tried multiple time and in multiple online casinos and each time you lose and double that they make you lose on purpose, if this was a thing all casinos would be losing and we all would be rich.

You are wrong, this method is known for centuries and it never "worked", meaning it didn't give you any edge to help win consistently. It's a very typical misunderstanding among gamblers that casino can manipulate bets, but actually all games are fair, bitcoin casinos feature system that determines outcome of each bet basing on random seeds, that are generated by both sever and client, so it's impossible to cheat for any side.
8599  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Investing in casinos on: March 03, 2017, 06:30:22 AM
Every investment comes with some degree of a risk, so I personally took as a rule for myself to never invest more than I can afford to lose. It's nice to have a passive income, but if you have invested a significant portion of your saving, than potential damage from losing your investment due to various reasons (exit scams, hacks, bitcoin crash etc.) would outweigh any potential gains. There nothing that can guarantee you safety for sure, even sites with long history can turn into scam in some day.
8600  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Will i fail the bet? on: March 03, 2017, 04:16:31 AM
The way gambling works is that those offering the games don't pay out fair odds when you win. This is called a house edge and no betting strategies can beat it. So yes, you will fail.


Not true, martingale can work very well in theory, if you have almost unlimited amounts of money, this way the changes of losing are ludicrously low.


This is quite an interesting point, there's a Gambler's Ruin theorem, which says that whoever has bigger bankroll is more likely to win, so if you have much more money than casino, you could theoretically win all their bankroll. Sounds good, right? Well, casino operators are not stupid, they understand that high bets can be dangerous to them, so they always set a limit for a maximum win per 1 bet, usually it's 1-2% of the bankroll. So martingale can't work, because you can't increase your bets indefinitely, and at some point you will not be allowed to double your bet to recover from a loss.
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