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861  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 10000$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: October 21, 2023, 05:57:18 AM
Thanks for the explanation because I don't really know DOTA 2 that well and I haven't checked the results from the group stage and I only went with the odds provided by the bookmakers. However, I have now a couple of times seen that the Gaimin Gladiators play bad during the first stages and then out of a sudden are the favorites again. But in this case it may mean that you have made a better choice than me! Wink The same counts for cryptofrka of course, who is my opponent this round. But I hope the bookmakers get their stuff right although I think Trofo said that this is one of the sports where they are sometimes worse at calculating the odds than those who really know the scene.

I don't mind explaining my tactics about "sport" like DOTA 2. Just don't use it to beat me when we meet in the future Grin

I remember Trofo saying few days ago that betting on esports brings more money than betting on "real" sports because bookies often gives better odds. But you have ti really follow the sport like that to be better than the bookies. I will probably never bet on it because I don't have any idea how to compare two teams that are playing against each other.

Yes this is the big difference for me, but also for the bookmakers when it comes to "more popular" sports, although e-sports is incredibly popular, but maybe not as old and mainstream as other sports. I couldn't tell what it means when for example one guy from an e-sport team gets sick and can't play. But I can tell what it means for PSG when Mbappe gets sick Tongue The thing is that the bookmakers can as well tell what it means when Mbappe gets sick, but they probably have less of an idea when it comes to calculating adjusted odds for e-sports. I guess this could be one of those opportunities Trofo was talking about.

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Just don't use it to beat me when we meet in the future Grin

Too late my friend! Now I am going to beat you with your own weapons!  Grin
862  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 10000$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: October 21, 2023, 05:47:04 AM
This question is not looking for the favorites to win their games, but for those you think will most likely lose their games, i.e. teams who have to leave the tournament. Since you chose Shopify Rebellion, you are hoping for them to lose their game against TSM.

I am not sure if I understood correctly that you misunderstood this question, but it seems like it. But I think the Shopify Rebellion - TSM game was the closest in regards to the odds and that is when those with a bit more knowledge about DOTA have a little advantage as they know what could make a decisive difference.

Oh my God you are right! I completely forgot that the question was who will leave the competition. I knew that when I was submitting my answers but forgot about it after. But now I'm surprised why some of you that know DOTA went with TSM. I was looking at the group stage and TSM finished their group at 2nd place while Shopify Rebellions finished their group at 4th place. That's why I went with them. I'm not that into DOTA to research deeper so I just went with the group placements.

Thanks for the explanation because I don't really know DOTA 2 that well and I haven't checked the results from the group stage and I only went with the odds provided by the bookmakers. However, I have now a couple of times seen that the Gaimin Gladiators play bad during the first stages and then out of a sudden are the favorites again. But in this case it may mean that you have made a better choice than me! Wink The same counts for cryptofrka of course, who is my opponent this round. But I hope the bookmakers get their stuff right although I think Trofo said that this is one of the sports where they are sometimes worse at calculating the odds than those who really know the scene.
863  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: October 20, 2023, 10:46:41 PM
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Indeed. I don't remember Lukaku being this much productive for a long time. He is just playing extra impressive when it comes to national team. I wouldn't like to show him like he doesn't play well at Roma of course. Because he has been quite the scorer there at the same time - 5 goals in 6 matches.

But this high level performance can be very beneficial for Belgium as long as he keeps being consistent. Belgium haven't been able to achieve any title in Euro or World Cup tournaments in their history. They have had a golden generation but couldn't make use of it. I wonder what they will do in Euro 2024.

Yes Belgium really had some golden years, but they had some fluctuations in their performance level in the wrong moments during the tournaments. Winning these big tournaments is mostly a question of consistency. Of course you need some luck, but the teams should drop below a certain basis performance level because that is what will knock them out then. Belgium often had problems with Italy and I think the closest they got to win something was at the World Cup 2018 when they lost 1-0 against France in the semifinal and then won the game for 3rd against England 2-0. In that game their offense consisted of Eden Hazard, De Bruyne and Lukaku.
864  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 10000$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: October 20, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
Although I have learned a little bit about DOTA 2 thanks to BSFL, I am still far from being able to judge the impact of some minor things like in some of the other sports. I am still not following DOTA 2 except when it's helpful to answer the BSFL questions. But now I wonder why some of you guys would go against the odds that bookmakers have here? Is it because you see a window of opportunity to take some risk and win the point in the h2h question or is it because you know something that the bookmakers did not take into account correctly? I just went with the odds and Shopify Rebellion is favored on all sites I know or came across. Some explanation would be appreciated.

When I submitted my answers, I went will all the favorites in the DOTA question. That's why I thought that I made a mistake ti go with Shopify Rebellions because I saw that majority went with other team. Especially when I saw that Trofo went with the other team. Now I have to see how will tomorrow game go trough. Fingers crossed for Shopify Rebellions.

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...Name 4 teams that will leave the tournament after games in lower bracket round 1.

This question is not looking for the favorites to win their games, but for those you think will most likely lose their games, i.e. teams who have to leave the tournament. Since you chose Shopify Rebellion, you are hoping for them to lose their game against TSM.

I am not sure if I understood correctly that you misunderstood this question, but it seems like it. But I think the Shopify Rebellion - TSM game was the closest in regards to the odds and that is when those with a bit more knowledge about DOTA have a little advantage as they know what could make a decisive difference.
865  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: October 20, 2023, 09:42:08 PM
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but winning when you are not in best shape is what brings good placements and titles

This can't be denied, but it comes with the risk that one day the result-oriented style will more often end in a draw or in a worst case also in losses. But I don't want to be too negative because despite their lack of offensive power, defensively they are doing ok. It has been worse than that but at least they do win a game with just one goal. It is their third 1-0 win this season and Dortmund is well known for losing games late in the second half when they failed to extend their lead and concede a goal close to the end of the game. This seems to be working out for them, but I still miss the goal fest style they often played in the past.

But to come back to the quote from above, goal fest style doesn't win any titles when there are still too many lost points. It is more likely that they have a chance this year when they can more often get the 1-0 lead over the finish line.
866  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 10000$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: October 20, 2023, 07:29:41 PM
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De Minaur lost 0-2 man! Tennis question is not worth waiting till last minute to answer. Just pick random shit and you will be alright.

Hey, hey! That's good news for me! I already lost that point when Fritz lost to some unknown Japanese player and my opponent had De Minaur so it's a lucky day for me! Now if only somehow Shopify Rebellions manage to beat TSM in DOTA tomorrow, but judging by the comments here it's not likely to happen.

Although I have learned a little bit about DOTA 2 thanks to BSFL, I am still far from being able to judge the impact of some minor things like in some of the other sports. I am still not following DOTA 2 except when it's helpful to answer the BSFL questions. But now I wonder why some of you guys would go against the odds that bookmakers have here? Is it because you see a window of opportunity to take some risk and win the point in the h2h question or is it because you know something that the bookmakers did not take into account correctly? I just went with the odds and Shopify Rebellion is favored on all sites I know or came across. Some explanation would be appreciated.
867  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: ⚽Bitcointalk Bundesliga Tippspiel 2023/2024 sponsored by sportsbet.io⚽ on: October 20, 2023, 06:36:03 PM

Mich würde interessieren ob cygan sich an der Quote orientiert oder auf ein Fail der "Wundertüte"  Grin

das siehst du dann ab 20:30 Grin

Damit ist offiziell, dass cygan keine Skrupel hat seinem Herzensverein brutal in den Rücken zu fallen!

Aber mal im Ernst, man hat häufiger einen Bias, wenn man auf Vereine tippen muss, die man mag oder aber auch, wenn ein Verein aus Deutschland gegen einen Verein aus dem Ausland spielt. Ich sehe das häufiger in der BSFL, wenn da bspw. kroatische Teams spielen, dass unsere Kroaten im Wettbewerb dann eher zu den kroatischen Teams tendieren und mir geht es bei deutschen Teams häufig auch nicht anders, wie zuletzt beim Handball Kolstad gegen Kiel.

Aber ich konnte bei cygan schon eine emotionale Distanzierung feststellen diese Saison! Tongue Ist nicht das erste Mal, dass er gegen seine Bremer tippt. Aber keine Sorge, bleibt hier unter uns im Forum Wink
868  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: October 20, 2023, 06:03:28 PM
I have just checked out the line-up for Dortmund against Bremen because I considered changing my prediction for the game, but now I am hesitating because I saw this:



I don't really care too much, but I think this formation is unworthy of Dortmund in a home game at Signal Iduna Park. Dortmund has been known to play intense attacking football and now I am not even sure if I missed that they have been playing this more often recently. But I looked at the last few games and the very least they did was a 4-2-3-1. Usually they get these formations right and surely I know that Brandt and Malen are supposed to play a rather offensive role here. But still I remember the times when Dortmund's offense looked really dangerous. This doesn't really look dangerous. I will still give them the benefit of the doubt and do what the bookies suggest and hope I'll get my prediction a bit different from most of you guys Wink
869  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Bitcoin ETFs in Europa und den USA on: October 20, 2023, 04:08:50 PM
Also wie Du schon benannt hast, der weltgrößte Vermögensverwalter BlackRock, wenn selbst die mit ihrem ersten Anlauf nicht durchkommen, dann fragt man sich wirklich, welche Mängel die SEC da nun ausgemacht hat. So ein Unternehmen wie BlackRock hat wahrscheinlich in jeden Winkel der Wirtschaft und Politik und Rechtsorgane einen Draht und trotzdem schaffen sie es nicht so ohne Weiteres. Da braucht man sich kaum wundern, dass andere wie z. B. auch Binance kaum eine Chance haben, da Lizenzen zu bekommen.

Da hast du vollkommen Recht, Binance mag zwar ein Riese in unserem Markt sein aber global auf allen Finanzmärkten betrachtet sind sie ein kleiner Fisch und wenn dann die großen Player Probleme oder Schwierigkeiten haben wundert mich die Situation von Binance (vor allem mit dem Bezug zu China) gar nicht.



Hinzu kommt ja noch, dass Binance nicht nur kleiner als die Riesen des globalen Finanzmarkts ist, sondern dass diese Riesen auch eine mächtige Lobby haben und sicherlich ihr Interesse ganz deutlich machen, dass sie eine Lizenzierung eines Unternehmens wie Binance nicht grad begrüßen würden. Die USA haben ja auch schon Coinbase und das als gelistetes Unternehmen und sind somit nicht unbedingt gewillt, sich so einen Player wie Binance ins Land zu holen, der als doch recht unüberschaubares Unternehmenskonstrukt operiert. Ich glaube, dass man da schon auch auf Inlandsinteressen sehr achtet bei der Vergabe und sollten solche Größen wie BlackRock dann ihre Anträge durchbekommen, dann wird man auch weiterhin einiges dafür tun, um Marktanteile von Unternehmen wie Binance abzugreifen.
870  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: ⚽Bitcointalk Bundesliga Tippspiel 2023/2024 sponsored by sportsbet.io⚽ on: October 20, 2023, 09:12:30 AM
Zu schade, dass die Bayern diese Woche einen einfachen Gegner haben. Ich hätte es gern gesehen, wenn sie entweder gegen eine Überraschungsmannschaft wie Stuttgart oder aber gegen eine generell stärkere Mannschaft auswärts hätten spielen müssen nach der Länderspielpause. Es wäre natürlich umso schöner, wenn sie gegen Mainz einfach mal einen auf den Sack kriegen, aber nein nein, das werde ich nun wirklich nicht tippen! Tongue Zudem mal gucken, was die Wundertüte Dortmund abliefert, aber das sollte wohl auch auf einen sicheren Dreier hinauslaufen.
871  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: October 19, 2023, 11:38:33 PM

Until the greed of money is removed from this club, you should stop expecting anything good from this club.

Dortmund is in business to maintain the team's existence. Greed for money is necessary. We see them doing business to make a profit for the club. And they cannot retain players when the club's reputation and salary are not as high as big clubs. Selling when the price is high is a good choice for the club and the players.
I still hope big sponsors see the team's potential and are willing to invest in them. Dortmund will not be forced to sell their star.
The truth is that Borussia Dortmund would've been one of the most feared and strongest teams in Europe if the club's management didn't sell their best players over the last four or five years.
However, they've managed to remain as one of the best German clubs over the years and the only consistent team that's been giving Bayern Munich a good run for their money. If they had won their last German Bundesliga game last season, they would be the crowned champions of Germany last campaign.

The truth is that the management didn't sell the players because they thought money is more important than having players of high quality. The truth is what I explained in this post before. Dortmund doesn't have enough resources to pay players salaries like Real Madrid and Manchester City and the truth also is that every great player doesn't dream of playing for Dortmund, but for clubs like Real Madrid. They never had a chance to agree on a contract extension with Bellingham or Haaland. They have to deal with this and I really don't think this can be changed within a few years time. Players want to win titles and they know that winning the Champions League or even the Bundesliga is close to impossible with Dortmund. But they have still managed to have an impressive track record for signing young players and selling them for more than 100m several times now.
872  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: October 19, 2023, 10:56:25 PM
Lukaku has been unstoppable so far. He has 10 goals in 7 matches in the qualifiers. I mean he has a direct contribution to most of their goals. This performance is one of the main factors behind Belgium's having a really successful group stage. De Bruyne has been injured and he will be out for a long time as well.

I thought this would create some problems for Belgium when it comes to creativity and productivity. But Lukaku has made up for his absence really great so far. Do you think Belgium can be successful in Euro 2024 as well?

Being ahead of a Ronaldo in the goal scorer list when Ronaldo has a group that is much easier than that of Belgium speaks volumes so far. Lukaku for some reason gets along very well in the national team despite missing De Bruyne. Actually, it is not only about the 10 goals he scored, but about the number of his goals relative to total Belgium goals. He scored 10/16 whereas Ronaldo scored 9/32. This shows how much Lukaku means to the team. He also assisted 1 goal, which gives him a participation rate of 68.75%. That's ridiculous and nobody would have seen that coming.
873  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - 2nd Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: October 19, 2023, 10:38:10 PM

In the Paderborn vs. St. Pauli match, I see St. Pauli as a favourite. They are currently the team that play like a team ver well together and they bring the most pressure in theier forward game.
I expect a draw in the HSV vs Fürth match. Fürth has always been an uncomfortable opponent for Hamburg and I think it will be the same this time.

oha ,oha . if st.pauli wins and the hsv only draws st. pauli already has 4 points more than the hamburger sv .
actually the hsv should win. because the opponent is not a promoted team  Grin Grin  i think the hsv will win the match in front of 57000 fans.
and paderborn will get at least one point against st. pauli . then both teams would have 20 points and still be on top .

I have no clue what to think of Hamburger SV these days Cheesy Have a look at their last 5 games with only 2 wins. They could not win their games against Elversberg, Osnabrück and Wehen and see where these clubs are ranked in the table. No need to further comment on that.

But I enjoy how St. Pauli is doing. They would be a great club for the 1. Bundesliga and in contrast to last season, this time they didn't have this horrible start and are still unbeaten and have the best defense. In 22/23 it was quite the opposite when they had to make up for the bad first half of the season, but couldn't quite get there eventually. I think this time they are the favorite for promotion into the 1. Bundesliga.
874  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: Mehrere Adressen unter dem gleichen Private Key nutzen on: October 19, 2023, 10:01:09 PM
Vielen Dank. Da ich also tatsächlich eher noob bin denke ich, falls ich mal in die Lage kommen sollte, daß ich dann eher mal verschiedene Wallets benutzen würde.

Wie ist das eigentlich bei Hardware Wallets, hat man pro Gerät einen private key oder kann man wie auf einem Rechner beliebig viele Wallets auf so einem Gerät einrichten?

Da ich erst jüngst über diesen Thread gestolpert bin, verlinke ich den hier mal direkt, denn da haben sich schon einige dazu geäußert. Es lohnt sich aber durchaus einige der dort gegebenen Antworten zu lesen, denn es gibt sehr wohl Unterschiede zwischen den einzelnen am Markt verfügbaren Hardware Wallets.

Aber eine kleine Anmerkung zu Deiner Frage noch: Ein Wallet hat einen Seed Phrase und je nach Art des Wallets eine oder mehrere Adressen. Der Seed Phrase kann Dir sämtliche darin angelegten Adressen wiederherstellen, sofern es ein deterministisches Wallet ist. Das heißt, Du hast sozusagen Deine "Wurzel" (Seed Phrase) und von da aus kannst Du sämtliches darüber angelegtes "Geäst" bestehend aus Adressen wiederherstellen. Trotzdem besteht aber auch für jede der Adressen (Public Key) ein dazugehöriger Private Key. Man sollte also nicht "Wallets" mit "Adressen" vertauschen. Ein neues Wallet benötigt auch einen neuen Seed Phrase. Deshalb ist es nämlich wichtig, wenn man ein non-deterministisches Wallet benutzt und bspw. einen Private Key importiert, dass man dann daran denkt, diesen Private Key auch weiterhin geschützt aufzubewahren, denn die importierte Adresse kann mit dem Seed Phrase für das non-deterministische Wallet NICHT wiederhergestellt werden.
875  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Bitcoin ETFs in Europa und den USA on: October 19, 2023, 07:54:59 PM
Also wie Du schon benannt hast, der weltgrößte Vermögensverwalter BlackRock, wenn selbst die mit ihrem ersten Anlauf nicht durchkommen, dann fragt man sich wirklich, welche Mängel die SEC da nun ausgemacht hat. So ein Unternehmen wie BlackRock hat wahrscheinlich in jeden Winkel der Wirtschaft und Politik und Rechtsorgane einen Draht und trotzdem schaffen sie es nicht so ohne Weiteres. Da braucht man sich kaum wundern, dass andere wie z. B. auch Binance kaum eine Chance haben, da Lizenzen zu bekommen.
876  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: Mehrere Adressen unter dem gleichen Private Key nutzen on: October 19, 2023, 06:39:18 PM
Hi,
wollte mal fragen ob es möglich UND sinnvoll ist, z.B. in Electrum mehrere Adressen zu benutzen, um Coins verschiedener Herkunft unter dem gleichen Private Key bzw. der gleichen Passphrase zu lagern.

Soweit ich das mal gesehen habe kann man in Electrum "spend from adress" oder sowas machen, und dann kann man ganz genau die coins ausgeben die unter einer bestimmten Adresse gespeichert sind, und dabei werden alle anderen Coins die auf anderen Adressen sind nicht angefasst und das spending hört auf sobald die coins einer adresse benutzt wurden. Lässt sich das so machen daß man die Trennung der Coins auf den verschiedenen adressen vollständig, sicher und wiederholbar aufrechterhalten kann, so daß man keine Sorge haben müßten, aus Versehen Coins verschiedener Herkunft zusammenzumischen wenn man eine Transaktion macht?

(Ginge sowas auch mit einer Hardware Wallet?)

Ja, das geht grundsätzlich, aber ich brauche Dir wahrscheinlich nicht zu sagen, dass es in der Regel besser ist fürs Management zwei Wallets im Client aufzusetzen. Wenn Du das also genau managen willst, dann eben im selben Wallet mit Coin Control über verschiedene Adressen bzw. UTXOs. Die Adressen haben übrigens trotzdem unterschiedliche Private Keys, auch wenn Du sie im selben Wallet managed. Dein Seed Phrase hingegen erlaubt Dir, das gesamte Wallet inklusive aller Adressen wiederherzustellen. Ist bei Ethereum übrigens nichts anderes, wenn Du über Metamask ein Wallet erstellst. Du sicherst den Seed Phrase und kannst dann mit diesem Seed Phrase sämtliche Wallets auf einem anderen System erneut generieren, da deterministisch.

Edit: also das ist jedenfalls was die meisten nutzen. Es gibt auch non-deterministische Wallets, da muss man bei den Backups anders vorgehen. Nur der Vollständigkeit halber, weil ich tatsächlich irgendwann mal unbewusst ein non-deterministisches Wallet von Electrum aufgesetzt habe.
877  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: FTX Claims Portal Einkommenherkunftsnachweis Hilfe dringend on: October 19, 2023, 06:15:52 PM
Also ich finde die Situation dann doch recht kompliziert, muss ich gestehen. Denn wir haben hier ziemlich eindeutig eine Einnahme von 400k USD bzw. falls im selben Jahr geschehen, eine Einnahme in Menge der USDT zum Zeitpunkt des Tausches von ETH zu USDT und dann ggf. von USDT zu EUR. Für mich wäre das ein klarer Fall für einen Anwalt mit steuerrechtlichem Hintergrund. Wenn sie auch noch den zuletzt erstellen Steuerbescheid verlangen und es hier um fast eine halbe Million geht, dann ist der Weg zur länderübergreifenden Kommunikation unter Finanzämtern nun doch wirklich nicht mehr weit.

Ich weiß, dass Dir da jetzt vermutlich das Geld für einen Anwalt fehlt, wenn ich das richtig verstehe. Aber dann solltest Du versuchen irgendwas auszuhandeln. Ich kann das nochmal deutlich sagen: hier sind extrem viele Eventualitäten und Komplikationen im Spiel und ich weiß nicht mal wie das genau laufen würde, wenn Du am Ende finanziell wegen der FTX-Pleite leer ausgehst. Also die steuerlichen Konsequenzen des Verlusts und ob auch in dem Fall etwas zu Deinen Gunsten oder Deinem Nachteil auszulegen wäre. Ich würde mich beraten lassen und ganz ehrlich, das ist schon eine ziemlich interessante Angelegenheit aus juristischer Sicht. Wenigstens könnte ein Anwalt Dir sagen, ob das jetzt so clever ist in dieser Reihenfolge zu handeln und wirklich erstmal die Hosen so runterzulassen wie Du das jetzt machst, bevor Du überhaupt einen Plan B mit nem Anwalt entwickelt hast.

Das soll nichts mit Angstmache zu tun haben und die Tipps hier sind zweifelsohne gut gemeint, aber die Sorge vor den steuerrechtlichen Angelegenheiten sollten in diesem Fall Dein absoluter Fokus sein. Da dein Identifikationsprozess sowieso schon läuft, werden sie Dir da auch nicht die Tür vor der Nase zuschlagen, weil Du ne Deadline nicht eingehalten hast. Also mein Rat - Prioritäten ordnen!
878  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hal Finney: each coin a value of about $10 million prophecy on: October 19, 2023, 04:27:19 PM
It’s fun to think about all the things you would do if Bitcoin suddenly jumped to $10,000,000 overnight. However, that’s not how it happens. It will be a slow grind upward for years and very few if anyone holding now would still be sitting on BTC at the end of the ride. Most people here have already sold off mass amounts of BTC at significantly lower prices.

That is what I have often been saying, it is those who already have money who will most likely make a lot of money from Bitcoin as well as they don't need to sell during bull runs. I really applaud people who knew it would be smart for them to sell at maybe 1k USD because they bought at 100 USD, but then held through all the roller coasters until it hit new heights like 30k, 40k and then the ATH with over 60k. But really, who does that? If someone isn't rich but firmly believes in the technology and still holds despite Bitcoin having its crashes, that's some mental strength there! Wink
I suppose the only ones that could do that are the kind of people that not only have great mental strength but that also lead lives that allows them to get away with this, since a person that has a lot of responsibilities over their shoulders and debts to pay cannot really afford to do this even if they wanted, so only a very small minority of the people holding bitcoin today will be able to hold their coins until Hal’s prediction becomes true, or at least until we get close to it, however as long as you could obtain some benefits out of your bitcoin investment and you sold your coins for a good reason then there is no need to regret selling those coins at such low prices.

Regret is a difficult word here because on the one hand you are of course right that if you sold for a good reason and got some benefit out of it, it should all be good. But on the other hand I think some least amount of regret is unavoidable given that Bitcoin really has been a moonshot once in a lifetime investment that may never occur twice to most of us. I think this gives reason for some people to say to themselves that they do deeply wish they had not sold and instead endured some shortages for a bit longer. I know someone who owned 30,000 Bitcoin and sold them for $1 a piece to then buy a BMW Smiley I can tell you that he felt some regret when Bitcoin went 3 figures, then 4 figures and 5 figures eventually.

The problem is that I think too many people pull the hardcore trigger instead of selling only a fraction of their bag. Or they deviate from any upfront considered strategy, for reasons they consider to be right in that moment.

It's different from those people who check lottery numbers even when they didn't play in order to see whether they would have won if they played. That I think is a dumb move and I myself wouldn't do it, but if I did and I would have won, I would not feel regret. But when someone who was among the first miners and was passionate about the technology sells 30,000 Bitcoin to buy a BMW, I think there is a lot of reason to regret it later. Wink

But when we talk about people who can't really afford tens of Bitcoin, but instead put some of their savings into Bitcoin and then sell at a maybe 500% profit, there is really no reason to regret it because from a rational and also risk aversion point of view, selling something at 500% profit would be the right thing to do in 99.9% of the time. Bitcoin just proved to be very different from what most of us have ever seen and probably will ever see.
879  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hal Finney: each coin a value of about $10 million prophecy on: October 18, 2023, 11:54:54 PM
It’s fun to think about all the things you would do if Bitcoin suddenly jumped to $10,000,000 overnight. However, that’s not how it happens. It will be a slow grind upward for years and very few if anyone holding now would still be sitting on BTC at the end of the ride. Most people here have already sold off mass amounts of BTC at significantly lower prices.

That is what I have often been saying, it is those who already have money who will most likely make a lot of money from Bitcoin as well as they don't need to sell during bull runs. I really applaud people who knew it would be smart for them to sell at maybe 1k USD because they bought at 100 USD, but then held through all the roller coasters until it hit new heights like 30k, 40k and then the ATH with over 60k. But really, who does that? If someone isn't rich but firmly believes in the technology and still holds despite Bitcoin having its crashes, that's some mental strength there! Wink
880  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: Ist "diversifizieren" in mehrere Kryptowährungen wirklich sinnvoll? on: October 18, 2023, 11:30:23 PM
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Da nun hier auch schon wieder einige Monate vergangen sind wird es mal wieder Zeit für ein update.
BTC läuft seitwärts und liegt verglichen mit dem 07.05.2023 gerademal bei -2,5%, tritt also mehr oder weniger auf der Stelle.
Das 1Miau-Portfolio mit BTC 75%, AVAX 15% und ETH 10% wurde durch AVAX ganz schön reingeritten und liegt bei -9%.
Das Crypto100-Portfolio liegt derzeit wenig überraschend hinten und notiert bei -18,5%.

Mal schauen wann wie sich die Lage dann im Bullen noch entwickelt. Ich bin da zuversichtlich und hoffe mal nicht, dass BTC aufgrund der ETFs allen davon fliegt. Cheesy


Crypto100-Portfolio (blau) mit BTC als Benchmark (grün); erstellt mit CryptoCompare



Ich frag mich gerade, ob die Anbieter der ETFs, also wer auch immer die dann wie vertreibt, die Assets auch tatsächlich oder zumindest per Gesetz anteilsmäßig vorhalten müssen? Ich kenne mich da ehrlich gesagt überhaupt nicht aus. Dürfte eine Bank da dann auch einfach Wetten anbieten, ohne irgendwas davon in Reserve vorzuhalten?

Ich weiß natürlich, dass das über Futures ohnehin oft der Fall ist und gerade durch Hebelgeschäfte die Parteien schlicht Wetten abschließen, aber wie sieht das konkret bei den ETFs aus? Wenn Anbieter Bitcoin dann wirklich auch im großen Stil vorhalten müssen, dann kriegt Bitcoin doch sowieso einen Push oder? Jede Bank, jedes Finanzunternehmen, dass sich da Marktanteile nicht einfach entgehen lassen will, müsste dann umfangreicher einsteigen, falls es da Vorschriften gibt. Kennt sich jemand aus?
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