Not funny at all. People do not necessarily click on a link to see / get the "joke". I'd also recommend all NOT to quote that image. Yep. Not even remotely funny; it's actually a post that could completely ruin DRK. If some journalist somewhere got hold of this and did zero fact-checking (which is pretty common these days) DRK's name and this whole community could be tarnished with a supposed ISIS link that would likely be unrecoverable. I know everyone runs with the "no media coverage is bad media coverage" mantra but in this case I think it would be disastrous. |
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@lonecrouton, having only masternodes will highly centralize dark. There is thousands of miners, vs a thousand and some masternodes. Centralisation.
 You are a fucking moron. (In case anyone is unaware, louiseth1 is one of those 3 people, running suchpool.) Yes with 1000's of miners behind it.. it's not ME mining all those blocks myself, you seem to forget that with your closed vision. I just help all those miners to get together and enjoy a smooth platform. There were a lot of organic pools before, but most of the big ones have fell off, and the users came to ours. We've been honest with the community and true supporters of darkcoin since its early days. Your point is just not constructive and plainly stupid. At least on my darkcoin pool, the miners WANT to mine darkcoin. I deliver straight to the darkcoin community. In the case of waffle, its just rape n dump as the miners don't care about anything else than bitcoin. That's what should be avoided. It doesn't matter how many miners are 'behind it' - they are all under your control, and you could either choose or be coerced into vandalising the blockchain, forking the network, crashing the price of DRK, basically killing the coin. Such an event would fuck all of us up, and pools like yours make it a dirt cheap possibility for any attacker. They don't need to spend millions on hardware to screw the newtwork, they just have to find you. Look outside, it's an ugly world and people get killed every day for far less than the matket cap of DRK. Hoping that it will never happen is not a plan. I have nothing against mining, I mine on p2pool, always have, but centralised pools are a huge liability. Could you not make suchpool a p2pool node instead? Most of your miners would never know the difference and you would actually be helping to secure the network. At the moment, you're not, you're just a centralised point of failure. Darkcoin right now (most cryptocurrencies right now) is NOT decentralised, we and other currencies have no right to call ourselves decentralised when a handful of people are in control of the blockchain, it's a complete lie. Everyone panics about small theoretical flaws in the Darksend protocol while ignoring the giant security flaw with centralised PoW...  Stop thinking in what ifs... see this as I am a town mayor, citizens elected me (by coming into our pool) to represent them. Our track record is mint, so why are you wasting your time bothering us when there is bigger and potentially harming fish to fry? Spare your time, leave us the fuck alone  Why would I be intentionally killing the blockchain? Are you retarded? Probably an unstable individual like you, in my position, would do so. I just won't. Are you trying to push me to do so? Won't work. Either way, you're the kind of guy that will ever be complaining about something or another, so I'm getting used to your whining. As I see it thelonecrouton does has some valid points about the problem of mining pools being too centralised. The issue is not about personalities or whether someone would or would not do something to potentially fork DRK's blockchain and cause a massive problem. The issue is that the three largest mining pools do have more than 51% control of the network and the network is totally beholden to the security and certainty with which these mining pools are conducted. In thinking "what ifs", I think thelonecrouton is simply undertaking some level of basic risk assessment and he's trying to get some sort of indication that others see the risk too and would like to consider ways of mitigating it. What would it take for you to convert suchpool into a p2pool node? Can you comment on this? |
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I got my last payment 3 hours ago, seems to be normal.
Almost 1200 masternodes now, it will take on average more than 2 days to get one payment.
ahhhh you propably right ! so before the next % rise comes it will be like that as it does not pay out 0.7 DRK but wait 2 days and then sends 1.4 DRK correct ! I think it's working just fine. These are my last 10 payments: 2014-10-24 02:14:17 1.4206 2014-10-25 18:55:37 1.75 2014-10-27 12:26:31 1.510125 2014-10-29 03:16:39 2 2014-10-30 21:08:32 1.25075 2014-11-01 16:07:41 1.75 2014-11-04 13:49:37 1.5 2014-11-06 06:46:17 2 2014-11-08 03:04:02 1.75475 2014-11-10 02:17:46 1.25 2014-11-12 02:03:30 1.25025 As you can see they're mostly just under 2 days apart, with one there (2014-11-04) running a bit late and being closer to 3 days. |
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Sorry to interrupt this awesome display of DRK-itude but THIS is the short-term bottom.
0.0073 within 12 hours, 0.0079 within 24 hours.
Carry on.
JL
Looks like we got sideways-delayed a bit. We're sitting on launchpad here and about to get ignition. 0.0073 then 0.0079 quickly thereafter. JL Are we going to get Ignition to .0075? Boom-Tish  Would prefer we got ignition to 0.075.....with ongoing thrust to 0.75....and third stage release at 7.5 Then (one day) we're all walking around realising it eventuated in Ignition 75! (and you will be some sort of 2nd fiddle messiah to the main guy) |
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Lonecrouton this is EXACTLY why crypto has so little take-up. Mainstream PC/tablet users DO NOT double click on executable files to run software. They "install" whatever app they're wanting to use then go to the start button to run it. If crypto is to achieve any level of mainstream acceptability it HAS TO confirm to norm in the way apps are distributed, installed and run.
The rest of us here (especially if we're running MNs) know all about where the files are, what some of them do and how to fix syncing/blockchain issues (peers.dat, etc). But anyone who's not confident dabbling around within the file structure of their device (which is millions and millions of people) will just be completely turned off by the need to find their way down to a directory and run a specific executable.
I haven't used Windows for 15 years, but back when I did I just double-clicked the icon where possible, because I knew where it was, rather than hunting through some ass-backwards cascading start menu... And who uses a start menu on a tablet or phone when you've got a screen full of app icons to poke your fingers at? Maybe I'm just odd.  Well this points towards just the issue I'm referring to: And who uses a start menu on a tablet or phone when you've got a screen full of app icons to poke your fingers at?
Take a Win 8.1 user for instance. If they have a device with a touch screen they'll scroll through that disastrous "Metro" interface until they find the icon for Darkcoin to run the wallet. Except, if they've downloaded the "binary version" because they saw "Windows (32-bit)" and knew enough to realise they're on a 64-bit version of Windows so clicked on the other "Windows (zip)" icon instead then (as per your "Download wallet. Double click on it. WTF does anyone need an installer for?" comment) the icon's not there because it's buried down in the unzipped directory from the wallet download and they have to know to right mouse click and "Pin to start" to get it up into the "Apps" collection. That may not sound like much to you but to the millions and millions of mainstream Windows users that always run a setup process to get their software "installed" they just won't have any idea about how to get it to run if it hasn't "installed" and provided an icon. And many will just walk away at that point as the software doesn't seem to install correctly. |
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What are you refering to as "binary version"? Darkcoin-qt.exe is a binary, darkcoind.exe is a binary too.
You can download the installer or the binary versions. The installer version is the one that does not work - sorry if I wasn't clear enough Thanks for the clarification :-) That's weird though, since both share the same file: md5sum for both darkcoin-qt.exe files are identical. Which implies there is something wrong with the installer and the registry setting it is doing. That's what I think too, it's been like this for the last few versions.... I'm quite confused. This is what I've always seen when I go to the download page: All this time I've just been downloading the "Windows (zip)" file and then wherever I unzip it to, double clicking darkcoin-qt.exe in the \32 directory to run the Darkcoin wallet. I've never had any wallet issues but neither have I known I was running the "binary version", I just assumed there wasn't an installer (which I thought was something that would come eventually when the whole project is out of beta). I downloaded "Windows (zip)" because the other option is "Windows (32-bit)" and I'm running 64-bit so assumed "Windows (32-bit)" would be the wrong version for me. This is very confusing. As well as getting the installer version issues fixed (as per PatMan's posts), we need far greater clarification around this labelling. There should be a "windows installer" version or a "run directly" version. Non-technical people won't know what all this means. It's probably one of the reasons why someone like Bagholder010 (who had the 14K DRK on Mintpal and got another 14K DRK during the V2 shenanigans) doesn't know how to use a wallet on his PC; it's too complicated having odd terminology like this. The wallet should be easily downloadable by noobs and non-technical people with an easy upgrade process that actively assists people to ensure they don't write over their wallet.dat. The labelling on what's being downloaded needs to be much clearer and consistent. The techo/boffin aspects around the wallet are still way too dominant for widespread adoption. Download wallet. Double click on it. WTF does anyone need an installer for Lonecrouton this is EXACTLY why crypto has so little take-up. Mainstream PC/tablet users DO NOT double click on executable files to run software. They "install" whatever app they're wanting to use then go to the start button to run it. If crypto is to achieve any level of mainstream acceptability it HAS TO confirm to norm in the way apps are distributed, installed and run. The rest of us here (especially if we're running MNs) know all about where the files are, what some of them do and how to fix syncing/blockchain issues (peers.dat, etc). But anyone who's not confident dabbling around within the file structure of their device (which is millions and millions of people) will just be completely turned off by the need to find their way down to a directory and run a specific executable. |
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What are you refering to as "binary version"? Darkcoin-qt.exe is a binary, darkcoind.exe is a binary too.
You can download the installer or the binary versions. The installer version is the one that does not work - sorry if I wasn't clear enough Thanks for the clarification :-) That's weird though, since both share the same file: md5sum for both darkcoin-qt.exe files are identical. Which implies there is something wrong with the installer and the registry setting it is doing. That's what I think too, it's been like this for the last few versions.... I'm quite confused. This is what I've always seen when I go to the download page:  All this time I've just been downloading the "Windows (zip)" file and then wherever I unzip it to, double clicking darkcoin-qt.exe in the \32 directory to run the Darkcoin wallet. I've never had any wallet issues but neither have I known I was running the "binary version", I just assumed there wasn't an installer (which I thought was something that would come eventually when the whole project is out of beta). I downloaded "Windows (zip)" because the other option is "Windows (32-bit)" and I'm running 64-bit so assumed "Windows (32-bit)" would be the wrong version for me. This is very confusing. As well as getting the installer version issues fixed (as per PatMan's posts), we need far greater clarification around this labelling. There should be a "windows installer" version or a "run directly" version. Non-technical people won't know what all this means. It's probably one of the reasons why someone like Bagholder010 (who had the 14K DRK on Mintpal and got another 14K DRK during the V2 shenanigans) doesn't know how to use a wallet on his PC; it's too complicated having odd terminology like this. The wallet should be easily downloadable by noobs and non-technical people with an easy upgrade process that actively assists people to ensure they don't write over their wallet.dat. The labelling on what's being downloaded needs to be much clearer and consistent. The techo/boffin aspects around the wallet are still way too dominant for widespread adoption. |
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I would say that we are trending towards a Solution #3 consensus :-D
I've been following this closely waiting to see if the aspect of this I don't understand gets answered; but it hasn't so I'll ask now: Pay per round of Darksend, in a separate transaction, paid directly to the miners as a fee. The masternodes would hold on to them and publish them later on. To double spend attack this, you would need to pay the miners more fees, so it's impossible to double spend against and it's timing attack resistant.
What does "paid directly to the miners as a fee" practically involve? By that I mean miners are using their hash to solve blocks. The network then automatically allocates 25% to a masternode (that enforcement has now tightened up very well). What's involved in masternodes sending these DarkSend fees to miners? Would there be a reverse process to the one that sees MNs collecting 25% so that now miners are arbitrarily selected (via their known wallet addresses) and the fees are evenly distributed? If "masternodes would hold on to them and publish them later on" is there random and varying amounts of time between the user undertaking a DarkSend denom and the MN that performed the work "publishing"? I'd like to get further understanding of how all this is envisaged. I'd think there's potential for further difficulties or anomalies in this area (and if miners start expecting a certain amount of payments every few days we'll have a similar challenges with them claiming they're not getting their fair share of fees as we've had with MN owners). |
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Sorry to interrupt this awesome display of DRK-itude but THIS is the short-term bottom.
0.0073 within 12 hours, 0.0079 within 24 hours.
Carry on.
JL
Oh Re-e-e-e-al-l-l-l-ly!? (already 0.0067)  Mmm...yes, we haven't had any announcement that Evan's cracked cold fusion AND faster than the speed of light travel today so the price is coming off the boil. I've seen fickle investment sentiment in various markets in my time but crypto is ridiculous! Unless there's something earth shattering every few hours people lose interest and go off to look for new more dazzling flashing lights somewhere else. |
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The address is not where he lives, it was a business registration address.
The authorities are in contact with him now, it's not like he's in dubai or something.
We just need to be patient, these things can take time.
Unfortunately, until I see a police report then I won't be able to believe that the "authorities" are doing anything. Patience as a virtue is important. However, the status of the matter is Mintpal and/or Moopay have clearly stolen the coins. By not being able to facilitate withdrawal of the coins after, say, a period of several days, then the status is that the coins are stolen. Forget the "law", this is purely common sense. Only by declaration of bankruptcy would we reasonably consider that the coins are not stolen but mismanaged then it is a debt recovery process. Remember that the "law" and "justice" as dictated by big government is mostly irrelevant as such "law" is so distorted that I feel it will not ever relate adequately to cryptocurrency. For cryptocurrency we have to go back to common sense. In my view as a Christian, I believe the ultimate law ~is~ God's law as most clearly examplified in the ten commandments... The most relevant here is of course Thou Shalt Not Steal. We put coins on Mintpal, we have given a chance for them to return our coins as per our arrangement in depositing coins there. No declaration of bankruptcy. Therefore, Mintpal (influenced no doubt by this Moopay shenanigans), has stolen our coins, plain and simple. 1. So it is either a criminal case in which stolen property is tracked down to recover the stolen property and deal justly with the thief. 2. Or it is a financial case in which our property was mismanaged by the business and the business is clearly insolvent, therefore debt recovery proceedings must occur. The above can't happen overnight of course but either 1. or 2. is the course of action that needs to be taken, and we as creditors and investors must demand evidence that 1. or 2. is proceeding. There's always option 3. in which we as a creditor or investor accept the loss of our funds and move on, but we should outline these three options. I'm certainly not perfect but my faith and my experience tells me the above. Good post srmojuze; your points are very clear. As you would know. in the case of number 2 (property being mismanaged and the business being insolvent) it's virtually impossible to prove insolvency from outside of a business and it's not until receivers are appointed that the true state of affairs can be reconciled and reported on (at which point unsecured creditors can kiss most of what they're owed goodbye as the receivers and the whole administration process will just consume huge portions of whatever funds are left. Some insolvency practitioners make small fortunes out of big messes like these....yet another parasitic aspect to business failure). Number 1 is the better alternative and should be pursued as far as it will go before Mintpal/Moolah respond to the police with enough evidence that theft hasn't occurred to force the whole thing back into an insolvency issue (if they'll in fact even do this). Based on what's likely so far I don't think they'll be able to pull together enough evidence that theft hasn't occurred (but if Alex/Ryan Green/Kennedy is there he's likely to talk his way through any interview and get them off his back for a while) and there'll be enough for law enforcement personnel to pursue the "theft" line of investigation and likely charge persons with crimes. |
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"Don't worry he can still make a node for RainbowCoin"....Hilarious. Good "Hitler" video. WestHarrison you've probably not had much feedback because we've had another of these Hitler videos just recently. You may not have been here in this thread long enough but there's this legendary and infamous character that's usually here (but hasn't been for about a month now) named Camosoul who's a really wild, out-there, very unusual fellow with a pretty abrasive personality. Some of his views on life, the universe, and everything make your most hardcore Libertarian look fairly mainstream but he also brings up completely out-of-left field ideas about DRK and crypto that make everyone stop and think. Anyway, he had a complete meltdown rant about how terrible the masternode setup guides were, throwing all sorts of wild accusations that they were full of irrelevance and didn't explain the "why" of anything, blah blah blah. It was an atypical rant for him in many ways but probably one of his all-time finest too. Someone did the same Hilter Youtube video with all of Camo's word pasted in and it was one of the funniest things ever given the history we all know of him and the circumstances leading up to it. |
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Thanks vertoe. Certainly better than having four separate browser tabs open. |
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So I took some time off today to finally setup my first MasterNode. Have to say, I just followed TaoSatoshi's noob proof instructions and everything went perfectly. I'm feeling great!  Would you mind pointing me in the direction of this guide ? Does it work for AWS ? I need to put mine back up - it's been down for 6 weeks since I accidentally wiped the wrong dakcoin.conf. So much has changed since I put it up that I thought I'd better review the whole procedure. Here you go https://darkcointalk.org/threads/taos-masternode-setup-guide-for-dummies.2680/The process in the guide uses Vultr but I see no reason why you couldn't do the exact same process but with AWS so I think you will be just fine by following this guide. Hope it works out for you. Just be mindful that when you get to this bit the second site (Chaeplin's) is currently down and with no word on what's happened to Chaeplin, not likely to come up again anytime soon. And when an update is released go here for Tao's instructions on how to stop your masternode and update darkcoind. https://darkcointalk.org/threads/taos-masternode-setup-guide-for-dummies.2680/#post-25672 |
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Still no payment, unlucky me lol
I wouldn't get too concerned. Most of my MN payments have been just shy of 48 hours apart but if you look below at the date/time stamps for my most recent 10, you'll see there was one period (2014-11-04) that was just 3 hours shy of 3 days! I'm sure you'll will be paid any moment now. 2014-10-24 02:14:17 2014-10-25 18:55:37 2014-10-27 12:26:31 2014-10-29 03:16:39 2014-10-30 21:08:32 2014-11-01 16:07:41 2014-11-04 13:49:37 2014-11-06 06:46:17 2014-11-08 03:04:02 2014-11-10 02:17:46 |
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You state that it's likely he's "done much damage", so why wouldn't we enjoy this period where he appears to NOT be on an anti-DRK rampage, rather than encouraging and/or provoking him to return to such?
I'm neither encouraging nor provoking, just ensuring I (and others) don't easily fall into the "hear no evil, see no evil, know no evil" trap of believing that someone who was previously a very strong antagonist of this community is all better now and the previous aggression that was displayed towards us is just swept under the carpet. As I said to Shojayxt in a previous post, most of us are very reasonable people, but not inexperienced with the ways of the world, so many will abide by the "forgive, but not forget" mantra. Enough said, back to the important stuff. |
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LTC under 0.01 Why are you guys so focused on other coins? The price of Litecoin has nothing to do with DRK. You guys are to worried about other coins, analyzing charts, etc.. You all should know by now that the price of Litecoin and those charts are meaningless. Focus on the technical aspects and adoption of Darkcoin. Anything else is just a waste of time. Don't you dare lessons to anyone in this thread. Please  Remember we know you. We are here from the beginning. And still watching. I was here from the beginning as well and I'm not giving lessons. If you don't want to read what I post then I suggest you put me on ignore and stop spamming the thread please. Thank You I have to say, I'm impressed how well you've kept your composure since this "transformation". The "old" you would have blown stuff like this into a giant flame war in nothing flat. And he could turn back into that again anytime. I quick perusal through his history details the amount of extreme FUD he launched against DRK only a couple of months back, the likelihood he's done much damage to DRK in other threads too and the use of sock-puppet fake accounts to spread even more FUD indicates he's clearly not to be trusted. This period of relative reasonableness is possibly part of a very long process to regain trust and then the monster will re-emerge. I always like to see the best in people and that reformers are trying to make a fresh start and realise their innate goodness, but one needs to be realistic too, leopards don't change their spots. Be very very wary. |
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Guys, these people at Cleverhash coin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=826541.0 claim to have the world's first X15, X13 and X11 ASIC miners. They have an ICO running via Bittrex that gets you $1 tokens for a cost of 50cents through until 21/Nov, which you can then use to buy the mining hardware. I'm not at all knowledgeable on mining. What does this mean (i.e. that there now may be an ASIC that can mine X11)? |
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bought some dark.. felt dirty but at this point I see the potential to double my money.. Here's to hoping!
liar. nahhh for real.. It did feel dirty.. especially after riding a bunch of your asses over the last 5 months. Don't care if you did, you're still a liar and a cheat. Stop hating.. you lie, I lie.. we all lie.. Even your mom and dad and grandma lie... Its part of life... I do not cheat though!!! I do not cheat though!!!
Your are the bullshitter of bullshitters Bob(IfYouDealWithMeYou'llNeverHaveAny)Surplus. Go back to your troll house; you are not welcome here. |
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Well, I'm angry with myself. a couple of weeks ago or so, when mintgox failed, I put my coins into Bitfinex, and I set them to sell at about .0062. At the time we were down in the high 4s So I thought it wouldn't happen, but when the price started skyrocketing, I wasn't paying attention (too busy) and when I finally noticed, it was above .007! So my coins were sold, :..( Not a lot of coins, but still, LOL. I'm always screwing up!
So yah.... be careful out there, it's a harsh world!
Tante, ouch! A good idea is to set the alarm on Bitcoinwisdom to catch rises like this. If you have to sell coins you want to at least get them away closer to the top when the market's running up like it has, so set the alarm for at least 0.001 lower than your sell price, as your ask can easily be filled by someone buying into walls and spiking the price. When it goes off then you can decide whether to cancel your order or not. |
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I'm also enjoying watching LTC sell off down to the 0.01 level which I have my doubts will hold. I see .0097-.0098 and then a retest of the lows back at 0.0079-0.008.
It's interesting isn't it. I've been referring to this past couple of months where DRK's price has been so suppressed (and kept going down every time Evan released something new!) as the "crypto winter"; a period of extraordinary lack of inspiration or motivation by investors and more people heading for the exits than taking an interest or position. And the MintGox/RyAlex KenGreen disaster hasn't helped at all either. But maybe the phenomena we've witnessed of LTC continuing on through this period relatively unscathed even though it has virtually nothing to offer in terms of innovation or value, is simply a "safe-haven" aspect of this period and now that circulation back through the veins of the anaemic crypto body has recommenced LTC will lose it's status and funds will move-on to greener and more exciting pastures. I certainly hope so (and everyone who's hung in here supporting DRK and the extraordinary work by Evan and the team that's been/is being done, deserve success). Amazingly I just popped onto BTC-e to see what the latest is there on the troll-box. One guy's forecasting LTC will see a major increase during 2015 and will probably settle around the 0.05 BTC mark! (It's currently 0.01011 on BTC-e as I write). And a few others are commenting that "yes, it's been in the doldrums for so long, a major upwards correction is way overdue" and "arise chikun"....blah blah heard-it-all-before blah blah. Then someone writes "You gotta be pretty gullible to believe the next big thing is merely a quicker block target. Do you ever step outside of BTC-e?" and he or she is jumped on like they've just uttered an unforgivable blasphemy. Man, what an amazing bubble that BTC-e troll box is! I know nothing is a sure or not-sure thing in crypto but I just can't see how so many people can be so enamoured by LTC! If we could just get DRK onto BTC-e (I know it's not likely) we could potentially tap into all of that fervour and expectation of great things from LTC and get people to start shifting their allegiance onto a coin with so much more innovation. What do we need to do to get the BTC-e owners? Is there some sort of concerted effort and process we could all undertake jointly to influence them? Does anyone have a connection there? I know they haven't added any Alt in more than a year but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. It's just so appalling to see so many people focussing their energies on something that's so lacking in worth when they could be supporting DRK and getting so much more fulfilment (he dreams on....but "arise chikun" followers are probably getting exactly the level of return their naive notions warrant....sigh...) |
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